A Gun & A Can of Spice: Everyday Carry Pocket Dump of the Day

Premium Sport Customs from Washington State sends “My typical EDC pocket dump” via Everyday Carry.

Mr. PSC writes this about his daily “stuff”:

These are the items that I will generally carry with me on a daily basis. The only item not included would be my cell phone, an Asus Zenfone, which I used to take the picture. Believe it or not, this is a relatively small amount of gear to carry. When I have it all in my pockets/belt, you can hardly tell. But I love to be prepared for most situations and this gear helps me do exactly that.

Yep, he mates up his Ruger SR9c (is that a retention holster?) with a can of Sabre pepper spray hot sauce.

Did I tell you the story about a time when I carried one of those keychain canisters of OC spray?  Yeah, I was at work a couple of years out of college, and bent over to pick something up.  I heard “hisssssss” in my pocket and then things warmed up quickly.  After all, the hiss emanated from my front pocket in my jeans.  Yeah, it was exciting.  I drove 40 minutes home, showered, and changed clothes.  And bought some frozen peas seeking relief.

That was also back before I learned just how ineffective those units really are.  They don’t have much range (as little as 12 inches if against even a light breeze outdoors), or much of a pattern.  If you’re close enough to apply that stuff to Mr. Bad Guy, he’s going to wrest it away and give you a generous application.  And then there’s the issue of dosing yourself from blowback, or contaminating the environment (such as your car, or an elevator).  Or leaving it in a hot car and having it leak.

My advice:  Ditch the miniature can of hot sauce.  Learn some fundamental empty-hand combatives like a little Krav.

And consider a bigger flashlight than that little NiteCore T-series Tube.

 

 

 

 

comments

  1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    Hey, at least he’s thought about it and carrying something. As opposed to how much of the rest of the population?

  2. avatar Viejo Torro says:

    Mr. Boch I don’t find your argument against pepper spray compelling. A leak of pepper spray against skin particularly with two layers of cloth in between the skin and the spray doesn’t compare to a blast to the eyes and sinuses.
    Not everyone is suitable to relying on martial arts . My injuries leave me unable to step of a curb and shoulder inpinments make throwing anything but a jab impossible.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      This is gonna sound sarcastic but it’s not: try yoga.

      1. avatar daveinwyo says:

        @9 Yoga is great for balance. I prefer Tai Chi for mobility. Movements are slow, w/emphasis on control and breathing. Works very well for a fused back/neck and 3 shoulder surgeries.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          Interesting.

          My experience was with a knee issue which I was told would require a replacement at age 22. Rehab doc suggested yoga for strength and mobility. Worked like a charm. I did the same thing with a relatively minor shoulder injury as well.

          I’ve not yet had any back issues to try to work out so that’s good to know. Thanks.

      2. avatar Viejo Torro says:

        Thanks fo the advice

    2. avatar James says:

      John Boch is a fucking idiot. His advice is best ignored.

    3. avatar Hannibal says:

      I agree. And not only does not everyone have the physical ability to win a hand to hand fight (or the time to train for it- which is much harder than shooting)- but there are circumstances where it won’t help.

      If you meet an aggressive dog you COULD shoot it… but if it hasn’t gone to bite you yet, or if it’s not big enough that you feel the need to employ a gun, pepper spray is a pretty good option. Or I guess you could try ‘Krav’ on it but if someone walks by and sees you with a dog in a chokehold… there are going to be questions.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        So the fact that maybe you could run into a situation where a marital art doesn’t help you is an argument against it?

        I get the time and money issues as well as injuries but I’m not seeing the argument against doing something healthy, challenging and useful in a number of other ways just because it doesn’t help much in “Situation X”. That argument is equally valid for not carrying (or being allowed to carry/own) a gun.

        People tend to put their time and money where they WANT it to go. 95% of everything else is excuses. There are people with legitimate issues but not nearly as many as the number who claim those issues and if those people really cared they’d find a way to work around a lot the problems for the other benefits they’d be getting on the side. Usually they don’t because they don’t really want to, not because they legitimately cannot.

        And many of those that legitimately cannot don’t need to avoid the thing but often need some guidance as to how to get to the point that they can do it. In those cases, again, not their fault. They just don’t know how to get where they want to go without some help. That happens to everyone at some point in their life.

    4. avatar possum, destroyer of arachnids says:

      , , , The only time I saw pepper spray work was a tune up job on non payment. Knock knock, kicked the door open, I sprayed the pepper and my pardner hit them with a ball bat. Take away the ball bat and it would have been s fail.

      1. avatar A O says:

        This is why there are red flag laws

      2. avatar Cloudbuster says:

        Man, Chase Bank is getting super-aggressive these days!

  3. avatar strych9 says:

    Micro Pocket Organizer is bomb. I use that thing every day. Holds up really well too.

    1. avatar SoCalJack says:

      Where does one carry a pocket organizer on body? A cargo pants/shorts pocket? On the belt? It must bulge out yeah? I get the why, but not the how.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        The micro will fit in the back pocket of most jeans. I generally carry mine in a bag to keep things from floating around.

        It has straps on the back for MOLLE/PALS or to be attached to a belt as well as a handle you can slap a caribiner on if you want to go that way.

        They’re *meant* to go into a cargo pocket and the larger ones are sized for duty pants. Mostly they were originally designed for cops, EMTs and some mil applications so that people didn’t have to go fishing around for stuff in their pockets but rather pulled out the organizer and could select what they wanted quickly.

      2. avatar B.D. says:

        I had one half the size of this one long ago. I carried very small items in a cargo pocket. Still felt bulky and sort of pointless. My back pockets now carry my wallet -left, weak hand opposite carry side – and notepad/pen – right. I couldn’t imagine the bulk of what this guy carries in a back pocket without looking like u got Nikki Minaj ass.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          It depends on what you carry in it and how you carry it.

          I used to use them just to organize some work stuff like pens, mini stapler, post-its for work travel but now I use the micro daily for other stuff that I basically have to carry with me. Organizes and protects the stuff enough without the added bulk of a specialized case.

  4. avatar LOL GAY LITTLE GUNS says:

    Ohhhhhh, a Ruger SR9c!!!!! The gun that tells the world ‘Yes I’ve given up on my hopes and dreams, and of course you can rob me’!!!

    1. avatar Viejo Torro says:

      Can you show me a graph that proves Ruger owners are more likely to be robbed? Or are you just blowing smoke?

      1. avatar jwm says:

        He’s blowing something. ‘Smoke’ could be a cute pet name for it.

      2. avatar B.D. says:

        I had a guy make fun of my g43 one time, actually the first time I shared it online. I showed him a video of a bunch of Navy seals, ex SF and prior CIA dudes who rock them daily – well known cool YouTube videos and such. He was a tool who thought it was all about size…. Until I found his Facebook page and put him on blast for being a Chevy Cobalt driver. Lol.

        Never understood idiots like this.

    2. avatar enuf says:

      What’s your problem with the SR9C?

      Been carrying the SR9 for a decade, never a jam with it. A reliable and accurate gun.

      1. avatar Coffeemonster says:

        worst sale I made: SR9 to buy a P250

      2. avatar Swarf says:

        He thinks making fun of affordable gear makes him cool.

        He probably leases a new Dodge Charger but lives in a studio apartment.

        1. avatar B.D. says:

          Willing to bet he can’t afford either of those things. Mommies spare room seems more fitting.

    3. avatar Dude says:

      Solid, reliable gun. Use the 10 round mag for concealment, and the 17 round mag for backup. I don’t think the bad guy would be more afraid of your bedazzled Glock.

  5. avatar Manse Jolly says:

    “….Learn some fundamental empty-hand combatives like a little Krav….”

    So the police officers who carry chemical deterrents are wrong?

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      This one’s a head scratcher to me. While I would generally gravitate away from ‘less lethal’ engagements as a conceal carrier (if it’s not threatening enough to involve a gun, I’d rather just GTFO) I can imagine plenty of times when pepper spray would be a useful OPTION to have.

      Not everyone has the time to dedicate to combat arts. And it really requires dedication. Kids need soccer practice and college funds. Commute is a bitch. Roof needs repair. These are the things most people worry about regularly. And not for nothing but I don’t care how much you workout or train, there’s always someone who can beat you. That’s part of why we carry guns, right? Well, the same logic applies to pepper spray, even if not as well. You can spray someone and it is usually a good distraction so you can run.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        168 hours in a week, 112 of them you’re awake, 40-60 you’re working (usually). That leaves you 52-70 hours to do everything else. But you can’t find two or three hours to dedicate to something healthy and useful? You’re not trying.

        Sure, there are times that you will have things come up that have to be dealt with that keep you from doing what you’d like but to say that with an average of 50+ hours a week that it’s all soccer, commutes and roof work… that’s a cop out. A two hour commute each way, three days of two hour soccer practices, a game a week and eight hours of roof work still leaves 14.5-32.5 hours/week, which around me is like at least a trip to the DMV.

        1. avatar B.D. says:

          Sounds like you have very little else going on in your life. Factor in a wife, kids, meal times, hygeine, school, and sleep. 2-3 hours a week is not much, I agree. But most people, especially older people, tend to want to relax. Still doesn’t change the fact that OC spray can be useful before hand to hand ensues, and the reason most of us carry it to avoid hand to hand at all costs anyways.

        2. avatar strych9 says:

          I’m not arguing against OC spray at all. I’m just saying that “I don’t have time” is usually another way of saying “I don’t want to make/find time for that“.

          As you said, people want to relax. They want to. They could be spending that time doing something else, or part of that time doing something else but they don’t want to. Relaxing is their priority and that’s fine but they should admit that rather than acting like it’s an issue of hours in the day rather than prioritization.

          I can’t count the number of people I know, from 18-80 years old, who complain that they don’t have time to do things yet those same people somehow have enough time to watch two hours of Netflix a day.

          This is quite literally why “life coaches” exist. To tell you three basic things: Eat right, get active, manage your time better. Do these things and you’ll have free time that you enjoy more because you feel better.

          You ain’t gotta pay someone $1000 a month for that. I just gave you that information for free.

  6. avatar Hannibal says:

    Interesting, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone use an IWB retention holster as conceal carry (presuming that’s what he does)… even among law enforcement (not to say there aren’t others that do it).

    I guess it’s a good idea… if you train with it enough that you can work it reliably.

    1. avatar B.D. says:

      It’s no different than any other IWB. it just tucks the gun better. I carry that way, always have. Tons do.

      https://everydaycarry.com/posts/30536/late-night-edc

      Check out JM Custom Kydex. They offer a wing claw 2.0 with a foam wedge to push the barrel out a slight bit and the grip closer to your body as well. I just picked one up for my S&W me.0 3.6″ and it tucks great for a double stack with a g19 size grip. Personally, this style of carry is the only one that does not print, at all, for me. It changes nothing as far as draw and reholster. I see more people carry this way than the old school IWB style, but TTAG seems to be an exception.

  7. avatar Chip Burnette says:

    That is not a retention holster, it just has a “claw” to keep the pistol grip against your body. It is a molded kydex – just friction retention.

  8. avatar possum, destroyer of arachnids says:

    Pepper Spray,? But what if the guy robbing you is blind?

    1. avatar Specialist38 says:

      The my odds of winning go up slightly.

  9. avatar Specialist38 says:

    Do those curb feeler things on iwb holster work? ….someone with experience…..

    Seems like it could be uncomfortable …..just wondering.

    1. avatar Chip Burnette says:

      The “claw” works well for me. The only thing it touches is the inside of my waistband, inside the belt, and it pulls the pistol grip into my outline like it is supposed to do.

      Your mileage may vary….

      1. avatar Specialist38 says:

        I may try it on my G48. Grips prints more than my 43.

      2. avatar Specialist38 says:

        And thanks…..

    2. avatar B.D. says:

      Yes. I won’t carry iwb without one, and a foam wedge. Check out JM Custom Kydex wing claw 2.0.

  10. avatar Specialist38 says:

    Oh…kudos to the SR9c….great pistol.

    No….. on the hot sauce……. for me.

  11. avatar possum, destroyer of arachnids says:

    So far my favorite CCW is a 54-1 7.62X25 tok in a cheap IWB . Granted it points like shit, ammo hard to find, in a hurry I rip my hand on the back sight and it has no safety other then the half cock. It’s also saved my ass twice and when the cops finally give it back they always say, ” We’ve never seen a gunm like that.” In fact I ask one fine deputy Sheriff if he cared to fire it. He wanted to but declined

  12. avatar Larry says:

    I’ve found most key chain sized pepper sprays , do, lack reach and volume , but it’s the affect wind has on them and the little tab one has to fumble with that really made me rethink their value .

    Until I tried Saber Red Pepper GEL ! Very good distance and the wind has minimal affect, there’s videos out where they spray it directly into a running fan, the large fans one sees on factory floors . Also no,little tab one has to turn , or safety , has the “ cop top “ actuator, comes with a practice unit as well .

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