There are many likely contributors to the fact that Utah has had zero school-related shootings. Utah is one of the states that has the least restrictions on Second Amendment rights in the nation. It’s one of the few that doesn’t forbid concealed carry permit holders from carrying their personal defensive firearms in schools. Utah has very little crime, with one of the lowest homicide rates in the country. And as stated in this article from ksl.com, it’s likely that when you are in Utah, someone near you has a concealed carry permit . . .
Pedersen believes the fact the state has so many gun-friendly laws and concealed weapons permit holders may actually be a deterrent to these types of rampages. The shooter doesn’t know what he’s up against.
“Odds are your neighbor, your person that you work with or your best friend, maybe, has a concealed weapons permit,” he said.
It’s that kind of logic that has Pedersen involved an effort to train and arm teachers. By law, concealed weapons permit holders can be armed inside Utah schools.
School shootings shot up after the passage of the federal gun free school zone law in 1996. The law was re-instated that year after heavy lobbying by President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno. The law had been struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional in early 1995.
Correlation or causation? You make the call.
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That’s a nice poster child image of a “well-regulated” militia if I ever saw one.
Carry on.
It’s Utah. That’s just 2 of the dude’s wives and some of his kids. Only place I know where the real estate market has more listings for 8-10 bedroom houses than 2-3.
probably not Utah since every person in the photo isn’t white and wearing garment-covering T-shirts at a bare minimum.
Wweellll…. these incidents are so rare anyway. Bbuutt I’m pretty sure it would help.
I’ve shot deer with .222 and 30-30’s from inside a 20’x30′ shop and from a bedroom window with a .270 and didnt have the least bit of ringing in my ears. While I do put my ears in at the range, I dont always wear them while hunting. As far as “safe areas” go, there are none. I worked as a corrections officer and I had people tell me how they drove to the “good” side of San Antonio and targeted elderly white women coming out of expensive stores and reataurants.
MINI Red Dot?
Really?
Does it fit on my Ruger LCP?
Lol. The anti gunners just got trolled.
Slide fire should prepare themselves for the huge wave of “tolerance” they are about to receive from the allegedly peaceful libs.
10 bucks says they’ve already received death threats from “non-violent” anti gunners. Any takers?
And MAIG respects and supports the disabled. Am I right?
Hate Speech at it’s finest…
He is an idiot
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*I originally posted this in the Utah thread a little bit ago, before this thread was here. Posting here, as it’s apropos*
S.E. Cupp – Spare us the gun lecture, Harvey
Weinstein told his buddy Piers Morgan that he is “planning a movie that will make the NRA “wish they weren’t alive.””
S.E. Cupp: “If we’re to assume Weinstein is motivated by a deep concern about gun violence (and not sheer arrogance), then it’s also worth pointing out that he’s got the wrong target. The NRA represents law-abiding gun owners, not criminals. A gangbanger in Chicago doesn’t care about the NRA, isn’t motivated or supported by the NRA, and may not even know what the NRA is. In vowing to take down this powerful organization supported by millions of law-abiding citizens, Weinstein will simply end up empowering and emboldening it.“
Hollywood boycott, anyone?
Utah has the driest women I’ve ever been with.
It says in the press release that the .50 cal armored piercing bullet was the one that penetrated. It was the multiple small caliber shots that did not. Or am I reading this wrong..the main article..
From TTAG OP:
Carter says that bullets from a small-caliber gun bounced off the carbon-fiber tanks, and that .50-caliber bullets barely made dents.”
From their press release:
They’re safe. In testing, we fired small-caliber bullets at the hydrogen tank and they just bounced off it. It took a 50-caliber armor-piercing bullet to penetrate the shell.
Maybe I am reading all this wrong.
On a related note, I’d be curious how many people ended up using their first handgun regularly, especially as an EDC. I know I didn’t. My first handgun now resides in a bedside holster and I carry something else, because I misjudged both my desire to carry (first) and my ability to carry that gun (second).
Remember that ammunition selection is almost as important as firearm/caliber selection!
Here is my simple process. I assess the newbie’s physical and mental capabilities:
(1) If they have fairly severe physical limitations, I direct them to .22 LR or maybe .22 Magnum revolvers.
(2) If they have moderate physical limitations (small framed female or elderly person), I direct them to a .38 Special revolver and light for caliber ammunition.
(3) If they are average physically and lack mechanical aptitude or physical coordination, I direct them to a .38 Special revolver and heavy for caliber ammunition.
(4) If they are average physically and have good mechanical aptitude, I direct them to a semi-auto in 9mm.
(5) If they are above average physically and have good mechanical aptitude, I direct them to a semi-auto in .40 S&W or .45 ACP.
As for which specific revolver, I direct newbies to consider the smaller revolvers. And if considering a semi-auto, I like Glocks, Smith and Wesson M&Ps, Springfield XD(m)s, and Ruger SR series. Whether or not they purchase compact or full size in a semi-auto depends on whether they plan to carry concealed and how they dress. If dress allows, I direct them to full size semi-autos, otherwise compact semi-autos.
I do NOT generally recommend sub compact, ultralight semi-autos to people as their only firearm. Those are great backup guns or for specific carry situations when neither a full size nor compact are possible. But they are horrific to shoot at the range. They are meant to “be carried a lot and shot a little”.
Final important note: I suggest that anyone purchasing a revolver consider paying a gunsmith to lighten the trigger, especially if the newbie is less than average physically.
Not a true Mk-18 the Navy SOCOM version still has the normal AR front fight with iron sights. apart from that nice carbine.
I thought the G42 was dumb at first. We got some in today at work, and I got to play around with it – and I want one now, even if it is a .380.
Compared to my P290, it is thinner, has a better grip width for my small lil hands, has a nice Glock trigger break and Glock trigger reset, and has a lower bore. The caliber isn’t my favorite, but I know I will be accurate with it, so at least I’ll have good shot placement.
Plus, I don’t do stupid things with stupid people at stupid places, so right there I lower my chances of needing a gun drastically.