Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm (and Dead Air Wolfman Suppressor)

Pew pew pew! The Space Invader has landed. Made by Noveske with an assist by Q and distributed exclusively by Silencer Shop, the Space Invader is the newest entrant to the pistol caliber carbine market. And before you say it, yes, there is space in this segment for it to invade. We, the gun-buying public, can’t get enough PCCs. And for good reason!

Whether it’s a “large format pistol” like the Space Invader I put through its paces here, a short barreled rifle like the Space Invader SBR that’s also available, or built out as an actual carbine/rifle with a 16-inch barrel, there’s a lot to love about a big gun shooting a small cartridge. Ammo is inexpensive, recoil is minimal, sound suppression is great, and modern handgun projectiles are extremely effective.

Meanwhile, a firearm that can be braced against the shoulder, cheek, etc. — especially one with an optic — is far easier to operate effectively than a handgun is. Reaching proficiency with a gun like the Space Invader is orders of magnitude easier than reaching and maintaining proficiency with a typical handgun. This makes a PCC a great choice for home defense, in particular when multiple family members may use it.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

So the “why” is obvious, while the “how” is where Noveske has differentiated itself. Aiming for the high-end of the market, they’ve made a complete firearm based on much of what makes their Ghetto Blaster (which itself is very heavily based on Q’s Honey Badger) unique.

Channels machined down the sides of the upper receiver provide clearance for the pistol brace’s (or stock’s, in SBR flavor) struts when collapsed. This allows for a super shorty, PDW-style length of pull without having to make an exceptionally wide stock that clears a typical upper receiver.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

A hardened steel QD socket insert is integrated into the bottom, front of the brace or stock, which includes an abbreviated receiver extension that uses a proprietary buffer and spring system.

On the left side is a large button, which unlocks the struts from their adjustment notches. Thankfully Noveske’s version of Q’s brace/stock system (the brace version of which is made by SB Tactical, by the way) has a middle notch. My biggest gripe about the Q Honey Badgers was a brace/stock that was either too short or too long. The Space Invader’s half-way notch is extremely welcome.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Improved, but still not for me. The cheek piece is just too darn short as I don’t love having my nose literally touching the charging handle, which is how you’re forced to shoot these guns if you want your cheek on the cheek rest. Which you do, because placing your cheek on the rear edge of the cheek piece isn’t pleasant and placing your cheek on the steel struts is worse.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Features I do love are all of what makes the Space Invader extra ambidextrous. The right-side bolt release (stiff but functional) and Noveske 60° short throw safety selector with Magpul levers (stiff but functional) seen above . . .

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

And a slim, paddle-style magazine release lever located at the rear of the flared magazine well. Press it forwards to release the magazine, which allows for a great grip-and-rip tactical reload. AK-style magazine karate chop not recommended.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Meanwhile, the standard AR magazine release still functions normally. I love this setup.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Speaking of magazines, the Space Invader bucks the trend and is designed for Colt-style stick mags. In my humble opinion these look far better in a PCC than rearward-swept GLOCK mags do. They also tend to lock back on empty more reliably since they were made for subguns in the first place and the bolt catch part of the follower is in a better location.

Unfortunately my praise for the old Colt mags ends right there. They’re really heavy, difficult to load to capacity, and rarely reliable. The only ones I’ve found that seem to work well are the Brownells-branded ones at about $32 a pop.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Noveske’s included Metalform magazine caused weird feeding problems for me and I never made it through 20+ rounds without a stoppage. Knowing Colt stick mags often suck, I brought the two known-to-be-reliable out of the nine C-Products Colt mags I own with me to the range and had better success with them. In all but one case, the Space Invader fully emptied those mags.

The idea of Colt stick mags is good, but it’s high time somebody made reliable, affordable polymer ones.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

A Geissele Super MCX SSA trigger is standard equipment. It’s a fantastic trigger that’s crisp, light, and reliable, firing hard-primer ammo with authority. I was even able to have some rapid-fire fun with it, as seen in the video.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Also as-standard are a Noveske-marked Geissele Airborne charging handle and a set of Magpul MBUS Pro sights.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Up at the shooty end, Noveske’s Space Invader barrel has an integral 3-lug mount machined into it; the barrel rifled all the way to the muzzle. The HK-pattern 3-lug is an industry standard for quick installation and removal of a suppressor. As much as I like a 3-lug — and I do! — some 1/2×28 threads in front of the lugs would be a welcome addition.

Dead Air Wolfman Suppressor

Thankfully the Dead Air Wolfman offers every mounting option you could ever need for a 9mm suppressor. From boosters and fixed mounts in every thread pitch out there to a 3-lug adapter, they have you covered. Unscrew one and thread in another.

Dead Air Wolfman Suppressor

Matching the non-railed diameter of the 6.25-inch Noveske handguard, the Wolfman looks great on this gun. It’s a perfect functional match, too, as it’s built for high-volume, subgun type shooting and its larger-diameter design fits more easily on a PCC type gun than a typical handgun.

Dead Air Wolfman Suppressor

Designed as two fully-welded, modular sections, the Wolfman can be run in short (5 inches plus mount) and long (7.5 inches plus mount) configurations.

Dead Air Wolfman Suppressor

Short for minimum length and weight (9.8 ounces), and long for maximum sound suppression. The two modules simply thread together and, thanks to a nice taper in there, only have to be gently hand snug.

Another trick up the Wolfman’s sleeve is an end cap designed to house a wipe; a puck of flexy rubber through which bullets pass. By snapping shut behind the bullet and generally creating a tighter gas seal than a metal baffle can, the use of a wipe can further reduce sound levels. Ill-prepared, I didn’t test the Wolfman with wipes.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Nevertheless, I was impressed with the Wolfman’s performance. What were originally intended to be a few in-line tweaks to the Wolf-9SD ended up becoming so many improvements that Dead Air christened it as a new product.

To me, the chief improvement is that the Wolfman is slightly longer in its short configuration than the Wolf. There may be some internal baffle design changes as well, but it’s the end result of the short module tweaks that really matter: it’s quieter. Especially on a handgun with a short (e.g. 4-inches) barrel. It’s now far more comfortable at the ear and easily under the hearing-safe threshold when run in shorty mode on a handgun.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

On a longer barrel, shorty mode is the only mode. The sound difference downrange is fairly minor — the longer barrel having already cut the sound level and reduced the pressure and amount of gas exiting the muzzle — and the difference at the shooter’s ear is effectively imperceptible.

That at-the-shooter’s-ear noise level is one area in which 9mm ARs really do not excel, though. A straight-blowback design coupled with a relatively lightweight bolt carrier group results in noticeable “port pop,” or noise from the ejection port.

That said, Noveske has managed to tune the Space Invader quite well. Whether recoil spring rates or buffer weights or what I’m not sure, but this AR9 was more comfortable on my ears than other straight-blowback ones I’ve fired.

But it’s still closer to sounding to the shooter like a 300 Blackout AR than it is to a 9mm PCC/subgun with a delayed action (e.g. MP5, CMMG’s radial delayed stuff, MPX, even the CZ Scorpion thanks to its ~1.5-pound bolt).

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

When the dust cleared I found the Noveske Space Invader to be an extremely accurate little gun that’s a ton of fun to shoot. It suppresses well and runs reliably with magazines that work; though finding those gems in the sea of crappy Colt stick mags can be a trick in and of itself.

Gun Review: Noveske Space Invader 9mm

Fit, finish, and overall quality is nothing short of fantastic on the Space Invader. For the price Noveske is charging, it darn well should be, of course, but in this realm the firearm doesn’t disappoint. All materials, finishes, and components are top-notch.

Where I’m left wanting a little is in the pistol brace/stock and the choice of Colt style magazines. While the brace is undeniably cool and I love looking at it, it isn’t my cup of tea when it comes to using it. And though I love Colt stick mags in theory, but in practice they often just suck.

They’re certainly more affordable than HK UMP/USC/MP5 or B&T magazines, which also look better than GLOCK mags in a PCC, though I’m not sure the buyer of a $2,550 Space Invader would balk too hard at a $75 magazine anyway. Or there’s always CZ Scorpion EVO mags which work flawlessly, load easily, and cost under $20 each.

Noveske’s Space Invader is one of the nicest, best straight-blowback AR9s I’ve ever shot. But at the end of the day it’s still a straight-blowback AR9. From a functional perspective, there’s a not-very-short list of other PCCs/subguns I’d buy first. Though it would darn sure look nice next to a handful of other Noveske rifles in a gun safe.

Find the Space Invader on its own or packaged with a Dead Air Wolfman or other suppressor at Silencer Shop.

Specifications: Noveske Space Invader

Caliber: 9×19
Capacity: 32+1
Barrel Length: 8.5 inches
Twist Rate: 1:12
Materials: 7075-T6 upper and lower receivers, Type III Hardcoat anodized then Cerakoted. Stainless steel barrel
Trigger: Geissele Super MCX SSA
Sights: Magpul MBUS Pro
MSRP: $2,550 for pistol or SBR

RATINGS (out of five stars):

Style and Appearance  * * * * *
One of the best looking AR9s out there. Machining, fit, and finish are also top-notch.

Ergonomics  * * *
The Space Invader has AR15 ergos except for the brace/stock, which I’m not a big fan of due to the extra shorty cheek piece. Bonus points for the ambidextrous, paddle-style magazine release but I’m just not into the brace/stock.

Customization  * * * *
A few components are proprietary, but most parts are fully AR15 or at least AR9 compatible. So customize away.

Accuracy  * * * * 
Impressive.

Reliability  * * * 
It ran almost flawlessly with magazines I had previously vetted as functioning well. It didn’t run particularly well with the included magazine. I’d ding the Space Invader more here, but I know it will run perfectly with the right mags and that the right mags are out there.

Overall  * * * 1/2
The Noveske Space Invader is an amazingly high quality “subgun.” It looks great and makes a fairly good suppressor host. But it costs a mint, didn’t run well due to problematic magazines, and is designed around a pistol brace or stock that I’m just not a big fan of. While there is certainly room in the market for the Space Invader, it won’t be invading my safe space. That is, the space in my gun safe. It’s up against 9mm options that I like more for less money. However, if it had Noveske siblings waiting for it, I’d be feeling the pull of its tractor beam more.

comments

  1. avatar dph says:

    I saw something interesting at the range yesterday that I would love to see reviewed. A gentleman had a 9mm AR pistol that used an AR-15 lower with P-mags with something called called an Endomag to adapt it from 5.56 to 9mm. He put 100 or so rounds through it with no problem but I would to see how this would hold up over 1000s of rounds.

    1. avatar COtt says:

      I also picked up the endomag set up for my 9mm pistol build. I love em. work great, feed flawlessly, bolt hold open and they work in P-mags. I’ve put around 500 round through them so far with no issues yet. I picked up a 3 pack and was thinking about getting a few more. But I didn’t like the idea of buying a bunch of colt or glock mags and an adapter. Far simpler and cheaper option with what I already had.

    2. avatar Lost Down South says:

      The Endo mags work GREAT. Sealed bag to converted M3 mag for me was 30 seconds.

      ZERO issues on range. 100s or rounds through them. No visible wear or issues.

      I had NOTHING BUT HEADACHES for the stick magazines and ProMag magwell adapter. They now sit in a drawer with all my other what-the-hell-do-I-do-with-this stuff.

      1. avatar Andrew lias says:

        Wanna offload the promag adapter? Mine works great with asc mags.

        1. avatar Sean says:

          I ended up going with a Palmetto Colt lower, but I agree, the ASC mags are good to go. And cheap!

    3. avatar Madcapp says:

      I wonder if that is going to break hammer pins like the 9MM AR is known for.

      1. avatar barnbwt says:

        Not if it’s a CMMG Guard, I think. Otherwise, yeah, it’s a 9mm blowback AR; them’s the breaks.

  2. avatar TP says:

    My Colt SMG mags are made by Metalform and have been 100% reliable through my Colt 9mm.

    1. avatar Sean says:

      Yeah, most Colt mags are totally reliable nowadays. I use ASC mags and they’ve been 100% (and $14.99 for 32 rounders). This author seems to have some sort of mental hang-up on Colt mags.

      1. avatar Jeremy S. says:

        Just past experience of them being unreliable and this gun didn’t change that for me 🤷‍♂️

  3. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    SMG, maybe. PCC. no. If as big as a rifle, or close, it should chamber a rifle cartridge. And before everybody starts pissing and moaning about hearing damage from firing a rifle indoors, I’ll trade a little hearing for my life any day.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Gadsden Flag,

      I’ll trade a little hearing for my life any day.

      Would you be trading a little bit of your hearing or almost all of your hearing? I ask this because several people claim that firing a rifle indoors is far, far worse than firing a rifle outdoors and much more likely to cause significant permanent hearing loss.

      Unless a home invader is a stalker, ex-boyfriend, or ex-husband who will not stop until paralyzed/dead, I have to believe that any carbine chambered in 9mm Luger, .40 S&W, 10mm Auto, or .45 ACP will be extremely effective at immediately ending the inherent danger associated with a home invasion. And because pistol caliber carbines reduce recoil to pretty much nothing, with minimal practice you should be able to pepper your attacker with multiple shots and hits at a vary rapid rate, perhaps on the order of three hits per second.

      I cannot imagine too many attackers will absorb between three and six hits out of a pistol caliber carbine and still be willing/able to continue their attack with any serious vigor.

      (For reference my pistol caliber carbine chambered in .40 S&W will launch 135 grain hollowpoint bullets upwards of 1,660 fps which is 825 foot-pounds energy. An attacker who absorbs three such hits will have absorbed 2,475 foot-pounds energy. Very few people will be upright on their feet after absorbing that much energy, or so I hear.)

      1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

        Uncommon, yeah a rifle is loud inside. So what? I fired a .270 Winchester with the muzzle inside an enclosed stand last hunting season. Just the way things worked out. I still watch television at the same volume as before. Are the terminal ballistics of your .40 caliber ammunition enhanced by a carbine length barrel? Yeah. A little bit, but it ain’t, and never will, compare to a rifle. Handgun calibers in handguns. Rifle calibers in shoulder arms. BTW, three rounds in one second? On target? Semi-auto? Wow! That’s impressive. I’ve shot some sub guns with pretty high cyclic rates (Ingrams, Mini Uzi, even a Glock 18). I’m not sure even they were spitting out three rounds per second. You’re able to do it with a pull of the trigger for each individual shot. Of course, if you shot your aggressor with a rifle, assuming a good hit, you’ll probably only have to shoot once.

      2. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

        Oh, here’s a war story for you. I didn’t work this, but one of my best friends was 10-12. The victim soaked up 3-4 .45 ACP 200 gr. +P HP loads to the torso. Glock 21. Gil gets 10-97. He’s talking to Ben, an EMS supervisor, at the rear of the ambulance. Doors are open. A paramedic and EMT are working on the victim. Ben is telling Gil about the victim’s wounds, what he was shot with, ammunition type, etc. Gil comments, “He’s a dead man.” The victim, overheard, sits up, pulls his oxygen mask down and says, “I ain’t dead.” Understand, the P.D. was on scene first. Suspect 10-15. Weapon and shell casings taken into evidence, etc. Gil just stopped by to kill time. The point is that defensive handgun calibers are woefully underpowered for what we ask them to do. Even out of a carbine. The only reason to have a handgun is that they are handy. Rifle, rifle, rifle!

  4. avatar WI Patriot says:

    WAY too rich for my blood…

    1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

      Even at a third of the price. It’s a pistol caliber carbine. Yawn. Pistol calibers in pistols. Rifle calibers in shoulder fired weapons. Minor exception for real SMGs.

      1. avatar barnbwt says:

        LOL “real” SMGs. I always get a kick out of that one, as though 9mm/etc are worthless without a full mag dump on full auto. Most SMGs have been select fire for a reason. It’s a very ignorant, and dare I say Fuddey mindset that SMGs are not worth it on semiauto.

        It’s not just concussion advantage, though that’s huge. It’s also size, weight, capacity, controllability, suppression, and service life.

        1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

          Shot lots and lots of SMGs. Auto rifles, light and heavy MGs. One full auto pistol. Never did a mag dump. Yeah, I’ve fired a real SMG semi-auto. Had to. Part of the course of fire when I had to qualify. Just never had much use for a semi-auto only pistol caliber carbine. But hey, if it floats your boat…

      2. avatar Salty says:

        It’s a blowback 9mm!!! I giant 22lr!!! Free market and all but a normal 22 semi auto is $100!!! Wtfffffffffff

    2. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

      “WAY too rich for my blood…”

      It would be a bargain if it was transferable to ordinary citizens instead of being Mil-LE only…

  5. avatar RCC says:

    Owen Gun and F1 sub machine guns used top feed magazines to improve reliability with 1940’s springs. 36 shot in 9mm.

    Seems strange that the biggest problem in most firearms is magazines and manufacturers keep doing the same thing.

  6. avatar JD says:

    Doesn’t take Glock mags…..epic fail.

  7. avatar GS650G says:

    Ruger PCC For the win.

    1. avatar Ing says:

      Yep. This gun looks awesome, and no doubt it’s a fine machine, but the price…ouch. And why would they go with Colt stick mags if those things suck so hard?

      I really, really want a pistol caliber carbine, but if I ever do manage to get one it won’t cost this much, that’s for darn sure. And it’s more likely to be lever-action than semiauto anyway. I had to wipe the drool off my chin when I saw an ad for Marlin’s new suppressor-ready rifle in .357 mag/.38 special.

      1. avatar Sean says:

        I mean, the price is ridiculous but I’d take the author’s issues with Colt mags with a big grain of salt, many MANY people use them with no issues. They’re heavy, they’re not used in mainstream pistols, and you’ll need a loading tool but the design itself is plenty reliable and gives you last round bolt hold open to boot. He seems to have some sort of bias against Colt mags, who knows why.

        1. avatar Ing says:

          Fair enough. All I know about them is what I’ve heard right here.

        2. avatar Jeremy S. says:

          I wish they worked. I like how they look much better than a GLOCK mag. I don’t give a crap what brand is on anything and if they worked then I wouldn’t pan them for not working. Not sure what you want from me other than an honest and unbiased review. My previous experiences were of generally unreliable function except with the Brownells mags as mentioned and my experience here was more of the same. I’m NOT the only person to have reliability problems with Colt pattern stick mags. Not by freaking far.

    2. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      Yep, add the Taccom competition package and it runs even better.

  8. avatar TheOtherDavid says:

    Seeing guns like this makes me appreciate my KelTec Sub2K that much more.

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      Yup.

    2. avatar Sean says:

      People love to shit on Keltec (and value companies) but the Sub 2000 is orders of magnitude more innovative than this gun, was designed in 2001, and costs 16% of the Noveske. And the Sub 2000 doesn’t have reputation for unreliability either.

      I can’t help but think that this elitism comes from kickbacks and/or the need to justify the extra money that that person spent.

  9. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Do they make one that’s not weaker than my 3″ .357 magnum?

    1. avatar Sean says:

      I keep waiting for that .357 M1 carbine to get made…..one can dream.

  10. avatar TommyJay says:

    “A straight-blowback design coupled with a relatively lightweight bolt carrier group results in noticeable “port pop,” or noise from the ejection port.”

    I had researched the Walther CCP with its delayed blowback action. They say the slide doesn’t move backwards “much” until the bullet leaves the barrel. But the 9mm Luger casing is tapered, so even a little extraction of the casing from the chamber at high pressure should cause a lot of gas leakage into the breech area. I guess it works but seems fairly undesirable.

  11. avatar Biff says:

    You can buy a Colt 9mm SBR for $1500 including the tax stamp. I can’t see how this is worth $2500.

    If I was going to spend this much I’d rather buy a B&T. If I was going to spend less there are a bunch of options from good quality MP5 clones, Colt SBR & other AR9 pattern pistols, Kalasnikov USA KP9, or the Scorpion.

    1. avatar Sean says:

      Hell, I’ll do you one better. You can build an extremely similar AR9 from Palmetto for around $750 to $800 right now. Now, I get that Noveske is better than Palmetto because it says Noveske but is literally 3 times better? Hmmmm….

  12. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    About the only thing not to like is the choice of feeding magazines,should have went with Glock for magazines,fun sticks are every where freedom and liberty are and they work.

  13. I love PCC’s..but Noveske should have worked this stuff out before going to market. I’m still waiting for my Beretta CX4 to hiccup..bought in 2006 with countless range sessions..same with my Scorpion EVO with 20,000 rounds thru it since 2012. Heck, even my cheap Extar keeps working. This thing seems about as reliable as my Feather Industries AT9 I got in ’92…but the Noveske is heavier.

  14. avatar No_Ones_Home says:

    >>>The idea of Colt stick mags is good, but it’s high time somebody made reliable, affordable polymer ones.

    I’m probably writing heresy here but ProMag’s polymer Colt-style AR mags have ran phenomenal for me. KAK Industries mag adapter in my AR-PCC. Last round hold open works. I have both the older all-polymer feed-lips and the newer polymer-covered metal feed-lips. I’d take them over the C-Products metal mags I’ve bought.

    I can’t speak as to how the polymer would hold up with storing the magazines fully loaded. I only load them before I’m headed out or at the range.

    Finally, as for loading Colt-style stick magazines…..I cannot speak more highly of ETS’s C.A.M. Rifle Magazine Loader. Best money every spent on a magazine loader. The loader will fill your 5.56/.223 AR magazines and Colt-style 9mm AR magazines. Makes loading 32 rounds so incredibly easy…

    1. avatar Sean says:

      Yup, this is correct. Don’t really get the author’s hatred towards Colt mags. I use ASC mags. Metal, $14.99 for 32 rounders, totally reliable, and of course has last round bolt hold since they’re Colt pattern. Plus, those straight mags look great! Promag stuff is hit or miss for me but I don’t doubt your experience. TL’DR
      1. 9mm Colt mags are way underappreciated.
      2. You don’t need to get shafted on price to get reliable gear.

  15. avatar David Michailof says:

    Tavor 9mm mags are the same pattern as colt smg mags….Just an FYI. Expensive but they work for me.

    1. avatar Sean says:

      But the author said Colt style mags are horribly unreliable! Very strange. I guess the Israeli’s should have asked him first before designing the Tavor. lol

      1. avatar Jeremy S. says:

        I said the Brownells ones have provided me with solid reliability. The one included with this gun did not.
        It never once emptied without multiple feeding issues. What, you own stock in Colt mags or something? You’re clearly selling them you’re so butthurt I’ve found them to be generally unreliable. Great you found one brand that works in your one gun. Congrats. I’ve found 6 brands that don’t work reliably in a dozen guns and one brand that typically does but sometimes one gun likes one mag but not another. This is not a positive result. It’s data that tells me these magazines cannot be counted on to be reliable unless you thoroughly vet a specific magazine in a specific gun. Compare this to lots of other magazine designs that are reliable across different platforms and manufacturers and I’ll tell you that Colt stick mags are questionable. Because they are.

  16. avatar Twinkie says:

    The reason to use Colt mags is for the double feed vs. single feed in Glock mags. In full auto you want the double feed. I have a 9mm AR and the Palmetto State AKV and much prefer the AKV and its Scorpion 35 rd PSA brand mags. Much lighter, more comfortable to use with no sharp edges, and easier to load than the Colt mags. The AKV is also more reliable and softer shooting.

    1. avatar Someone says:

      “In full auto you want the double feed”
      Really? https://youtu.be/ub4OswUhLwo

  17. avatar Bobsuruncle says:

    Great review of something that the vast majority of shooters (ie…. your readers, such as myself) will never own. If I spent that kinda money on what amounts to a responsible person’s toy, I’d be single. I’d rather read about how, me, as a red blooded AMERICAN, could build such a thing.

    1. avatar Sean says:

      Palmetto. Get one of their Colt pattern pistol lowers once they’re back in stock ($159), get an 8 inch 9mm upper ($300), and pick up a collapsing pistol brace SBPDW ($240). Total cost: $700. Let’s round up to $800 for assorted accessories and furniture.

      $800 vs $2500. But I guess Palmetto doesn’t do the whole kickback thing. AND it isn’t called the “Space Invader,” so that makes it worth it. 🙂

      1. avatar Biff says:

        PSA does make good stuff for the $$.

        I recently saw a FM Products 9mm Complete Upper with a 3 lugged barrel for sale @ Primary Arms for $300 which was $100 off. Unlike most of FM’s other uppers it used a conventional charging handle instead of an MP5 style lever on the handguard.

        After I saw their Upper I started to look for their stripped lowers & they were around $150-175 for a lower that takes Glock mags and has last round hold open.

        After reading a bunch of positive reviews, I’ll probably start accumulating parts next time I see their stuff on sale.

        I’m about halfway done with a Colt style build on a CMMG 9mm receiver. I’m waiting for the barrel I need to be in stock before I order everything else I need.

        1. avatar david says:

          The FM 9 from Foxtrot Mike is definitely the way to go. You can get one for about a quarter of the price of this Noveske and have a ton of money left over for an optic, quality Glock mags and a ton of ammo

  18. avatar AZgunner says:

    So it’s at a price point significantly higher than almost all of its competitors, it uses finicky magazines, and it doesn’t suppress as well as many competitors. Wow, sounds great.

    1. avatar Sean says:

      I’d take the “finicky mags” part with a grain of salt, the Colt pattern mags are actually fine.

      Everything else you said is very true. This price is RIDICULOUS.

  19. avatar B.D. says:

    Beautiful.

  20. avatar "keep yur paws off my dead guy" possum says:

    A kar-tick or a high pointed loiks mure space gumnerish. , , , Ha figure that one out evil pressing of words fbe aye

  21. avatar Greg says:

    For that MSRP is a reach around included?

  22. avatar AnotherTomFromOR says:

    As much as I like Q’s design philosophy and dedication to perfection, it’s funny how much praise their brace/stock gets despite not working very well as a brace or a stock… Quite a few “reviewers” have said the same during initial release and still nothing has changed…

    LOP is still either too short or too long and the cheek rest isn’t very good.

    For that much money you’d expect a slightly smarter design. Do I have a solution and I’m not just some punkass whining? Yes, but I doubt they’d take some real constructive criticism since their stuff is always selling super well.

    Oh, well, their marketing is to notch.

  23. avatar Ginder12 says:

    Alabama Arsenal did a review of Wolfman. Worth taking a look. It is really quiet.

  24. avatar Matt says:

    I will echo your sentiment about the Colt mags. I’ve never had great luck with them, the straight design is not well suited for a tapered bullet IMO.

    I have a few Metalform 32rd mags, I find they are 100% reliable when loaded to a max of 26.

    I have a mixture of a few 32rd, 20rd, and 10rd C Products and ASC mags that I have no problems with loading to capacity. These mags however require modification to the front of the follower, it sticks out way to far for my rifle and can cause it to jam up or tilt and stick. I believe the front of the follower get caught under the feed ramp of my magwell adapter. Once a bit is shaved off of the front they are 100%.

  25. avatar Hydguy says:

    Your whole article shows that these ‘braces’ are nothing other than an attempt to circumvent the NFA, just like bump stocks.
    A wrist brace can’t have a ‘cheek weld’, as a cheek weld is only used on a rifle.
    While I think that the NFA is an unconstitutional infringement, I also don’t look for ways to skate around the law.
    Pay your $200 for the stamp if you want a cheek weld.
    And I have several thousand dollars invested in my stamps, and wouldn’t shed a tear if the NFA was tossed out tomorrow.

  26. avatar DCF says:

    Jeremy S, can you provide me the list of 9 mm carbines you liked and referenced in the article? I’d like your opinion.

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