Will the Firearms Industry Fund Grassroots Efforts And Rallies?

We constantly hear about how the gun-grabbers are so well-organized and funded. How celebrities and business donate to the cause of disarmament. Why aren’t we on the same level? I want to delve deeper into what needs to be done to fix it. Grassroots organization is the first step. We need to actually get off our collective butts and make some noise. But we also need to organize. The NRA in all of its glory is fragmented.

On one hand, you have Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox stating that they support gun violence restraining orders. On the other, you have alerts sent from the NRA-ILA stating that the membership need to fight the passage of bills that would institute gun violence restraining orders. They support regulating bump stocks like machine guns and then say that support further regulation isn’t supporting an outright ban. It’s utter chaos.

What does this have to do with organization and funding? We, the people of the gun, have relied on the NRA to be our voice and our backbone. Our standard operating procedure was to donate to the NRA and have them fight our battles.

Well, as the events in Florida have proven, not a finger was lifted in the arena of public support. At no point did the NRA marshal its immense resources and organize a pro-Second Amendment rally in Tallahassee. Neither have they worked towards doing anything similar in Washington DC.

We can’t solely rely on the NRA anymore to be our voice. We must do it ourselves. Part of that is organizing. And we must hold our own accountable. Our Second Amendment rights are critically important to the American firearms industry. Companies across our nation derive their profits from our civil liberties. We are one of the largest markets for their products in the world.

Numerous firearms companies profess their support for the Second Amdendment. They create entire marketing campaigns around it. So, what does this have to do with holding our own accountable? If we have an industry that claims to be supportive of the Second Amendment, then why aren’t they contributing to the cause of actually defending and expanding our firearms freedom?

There are a number companies that have gone farther than mere marketing. Magpul told Colorado that if the state’s magazine capacity limit passed, they’d move. And they did. Kahr Arms threatened the state of New York that they were going to Pennsylvania due to passage of the SAFE Act. They did. Beretta told Maryland that they would pull up stakes and move to Tennessee. It happened. These companies are great examples.

Let’s see if Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Colt, GLOCK, SIG SAUER, and others are willing to take similar steps. I’m asking the industry as a whole to openly support pro-Second Amendment rallies across the country. I understand that not all businesses in the industry have deep pockets. But Benjamin Franklin said it best:

We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.”

The firearms industry and the gun-owning public are — our should be — joined at the hip in this fight for the Second Amendment. As history has shown (take Colt for an example); relying solely on government contracts to keep a business afloat doesn’t work. What keeps the industry going is the civilian market. It’s the generational passing of the torch, the tradition of hunting, recreation and armed self defense that keep gun makers in business.

So I ask, will the industry adopt the tactics that the enemies of firearm freedom have used so effectively? Will they divert profits to fund liberty? Will they chip in for bus fares and airline tickets? Will the industry step up to the plate and take action?

We are on the precipice of history. Our rights are under assault from all sides, from the local governments to the national level, we are under siege.

If we don’t rally together, we shall all surely fall into the abyss of civilian disarmament. The Second Amendment is what gives teeth to the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments. It’s what gives us, the citizenry, the ability to protect our words, beliefs, and liberty with the force of arms if, God forbid, it comes to that. It’s time to show how important those freedoms are to us.


  1. avatar Texican says:

    I don’t know that using similar methods as the anti-freedom peeps do is the way to go. Especially since the mainstream media won’t cover it similarly. But I do agree that gun mfrs. need to be 100% behind the 2nd Amendment and say so.

    1. avatar Flinch says:

      No way. Gun makers will avoid grassroots like the plague. Too many uncontrollable variables and mixed messages. Plus with gun owners and rabid 2A disciples ready to eat their young (cough, cough, springfield, cough Marty Daniels), if there’s one thing gun makers have learned over the months its “Do Not Touch Anything!”

      They might be stupid sometimes (cough, Hillary lock, cough cough, bullet button, cough, pink everything…cough), but they’re no longer dumb.

      1. avatar Garrison Hall says:

        I suspect that, in their hearts, there are a lot more Bill Rugers among our firearms executives than there are real patriots.

      2. avatar Erik says:

        Marty Daniel is the absolute worse. He is a PR guy and thought his move would be another banned Super Bowl ad. To simplify, Marty Daniel is a prostetute.

      3. avatar Scoutino says:

        Bullet button was smart workaround to idiotic law. You make us use a tool to remove magazine from a rifle? Okay, a cartridge is a tool too.
        Pink stuff must have its buyers, otherwise they would stop making it. It might not appeal to you or me, but someone out there pays money to get it. Not dumb to sell it.

    2. avatar Bloving says:

      Flinch is right. Biggest problem with marches and protests is we invariably get some REALLY fringe types we’d rather not call friends who show up and make us look bad… and who do you think the media cameras will focus on? Just as they pointedly avoided showing the most vulgar and bigoted protest signs being held up the other weekend, they’ll only show the worst examples of the pro-gun side.
      Besides – the most respectable gun owners I know would have a hard time attending; unlike the anti-civil rights protesters the other weekend, most of us have JOBS.

      1. avatar Garrison Hall says:

        ” . . . Biggest problem with marches and protests is we invariably get some REALLY fringe types . . .”

        It’s interesting that we might be worried about the public appearances of our People Of The Gun while all manner of “fringe types” were given front-and-center attention during the recent anti-gun protests. Apparently it’s ok to be a transgendered-lesbian-cannibal anti-gun protestor but you can’t be red-neck-biker-for-guns protestor because it might not “look right”? Answering that question will tell us a lot about ourselves.

    3. avatar Res says:

      The left is astroturfing and using millions of dollars from ultra rich, ultra corrupt progressives to impose their will on us. We have a real grassroot organization already in the NRA, which is why the left and left media has been trying to demonize and destroy the NRA. What we really need is more 2nd civil rights activists and constitution suporters to get involved and all the millions of gun owners that are on the fence to get active. We know how gullible and low information the average anti gun suporter is from meeting them face to face, they are being used as pawns and being recruited by the media lying to them every day. We are smart on the issue and know this anti gun push is lies. If the media poisoned someone too much against the NRA, join GOA or 2OF, and more. If the industry puts money in, the progressive media will scream their heads off about the big bad gun complex is behind everything to lie over the fact that the NRA is the grassroots movement. Again.

    4. avatar doesky2 says:

      Well what if our side took the initiative for an alternative to banning bumpstocks?

      Like a plan that would let bumpstock owners turn them in for the opportunity to buy a registered transfereable full-auto lower.

      Maybe a plan like this ==> http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339919

      Now you might actually be able to rally behind something.

  2. avatar Gene Forsythe says:

    I have to disagree with part of your premise. The thing to do is make sure that everyone is personally invested in maintaining ownership of firearms (see what’s happened in CA, NY, MA, NJ, for example). Doing little baby marches and rallies (because we will never be able to match the $$ and size of the Bloomberg/Soros efforts) will simply make gun owners look bad and lead to a belief that it is ok to take guns away from everyone………..and that’s going to happen anyway over the next couple national elections, thanks to the trumpists and fractured republicons. The argument has to be won, silently and quietly, at the ballot box. That’s done by the gun makers and other pro-gun groups making sure that everyone possible owns a gun — and thus has a “bone in the soup kettle.” Underground and quietly expanding gun ownership is what influences the ballot box, that’s where the battle is won or lost.

  3. avatar JasonM says:

    If they fund it, it’s not really grassroots.

  4. avatar neiowa says:

    Creating an Astroturf protest is NOT the way to go. Will just bite us in the ass. The MSM will discover Astroturf for the 1st time if Conservatives go that direction.

    Our major strength, compared to the progs, is that when normal working people show up/write/call, they are serious about the issue not on a payroll. Taking time away from work, family (investing personal time/$). The pols know this very well which is where the NRA get influence/power.

  5. avatar TexTed says:

    This is all necessary for optics. But it’s not the strategy that is winning.

    The winning strategy is the one that the NRA has used for decades — buy politicians and threaten them with votes if they don’t support your priorities. The left has “marched” for decades, to no purpose. The NRA has built its reputation inside the beltway as a superb lobbying organization, supported by ardent voters.

    What’s changed is not the left, it’s the right. The Florida billionaire who said “no moremoney for you, unless you vote for gun control.” Surprise, surprise — Florida got gun control. Bloomberg spends his millions on t-shirts, and they lose every election. The NRA spends their money on politicians and they win frequently.

    You want to win this fight, you need to get Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Brothers involved. If Sheldon Adelson told his summit attendees “no more money for you unless national reciprocity is passed”, it’d happen tomorrow.

    Y’ain’t gotta like it, but it’s the way it is.

    1. avatar Alexander says:

      The socialists have conquered most of the world by organizing, marching, protesting, in an ever-more militant way. They must have been doing something correctly, haven’t they?

      1. avatar TStew says:

        Yeah, they have the press on their side – everywhere and always – and are able to capitalize on basic human nature by pointing out that there is someone who has more of something than do you. The same model does not apply when you’re selling the notion of equal opportunity versus the notion of equal outcomes.

      2. avatar Res says:

        We need to get out and tell our “employees”/representative to shape up and get back on task with their job of supporting our civil rights. Socialists/fascist/marxist whatever have “won” by lying and exploiting some real injustice(gov coruption) and much manufactured injustice and racism and hate and promising a happy future if they can just “transform” America by shredding the constitution.

  6. avatar Gutshot says:

    Thanks for all you do for the 2A, Luis. I believe you are truly one of the unsung heroes out there on the front line.

  7. avatar Ralph says:

    “Let’s see if Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Colt, GLOCK, SIG SAUER, and others are willing to take similar steps.”

    Take all of the free cash held by those companies, times the result by ten and it amounts to no more than a small fraction of the money that Bloomberg, Soros and the Joyce Foundation can and will spend.

    We’re not going to solve this problem by throwing money at it.

    1. avatar TexTed says:

      Throwing money at it is the only way to solve it. It just has to be Peter Thiel’s money, or the Koch brothers, or Sheldon Adelson’s. It has to be real money, a hundred million dollars so so. Pocket change to these guys, but that’s what we’re up against.

      Spend the money electing real republicans so that Trump appoints two more SC justices. Then the problem is going to be solved for a while.

      If the Blue Wave comes and the Senate flips, then you can kiss your gun rights goodbye. Maybe not right away, but the end game becomes inevitable.

      1. avatar Res says:

        If the 100 million gun owner fence sitters got up and walked into the “halls of power”,and told our legislators “Restore our right and stop with laws that do nothing to stop already illegal mass murders” the political situation would change immediately. Only the most corrupt would ignore this.

        We need to get the thousands of people in our ranks that are great in front of a camera, smart, passionate, and extroverted, and don’t know it, and are not involved now to get involved and supported. We need to get real representatives into office, not corrupt RINOS and progressives that lie about where they stand politically and stab us in the back. The democrats that have been pushed out of politics for not being DNC gang members need to get back in and push back DNC corruption. The RINOS need to be called out and real representative need to be found and supported.

  8. avatar Sam I Am says:

    Yes, yes. Now what?

    Calls to “do something”, without really any cogent plan, are no different that the calls of the gun grabbers to “do something” (well, maybe not the same; gun grabbers have a plan).

    We have full and ample proof that the politicians do not listen to the people who delivered all three elected houses of government. What “grass roots” force will have more influence on this one subject? Even the Tea Party, diverse and distributed as it was, had an identity the made headlines.

    Businesses are in the business of staying in business. Some among the gun industry drew lines, and acted upon them. Didn’t need a “grass roots” movement. But, also notice that the states those manufacturers left did not change any of their policies. Nor did the states those manufacturers moved into become a vanguard of protection of the second amendment.

    So a few manufacturers mad a statement. I’m happy they did so. But, it did not lead to a movement, and the vast majority of the public have no idea that the companies exist, much less that they acted on principal. So, moving Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Colt, GLOCK, SIG SAUER, are likely to have no more effect on the national debate, than did Magpul, Kahr and Beretta. We don’t need a “grass roots” movement, we need an industry-wide movement. All in accord. All committed to look beyond revenue, comfort and tradition.

  9. avatar Bersa Bob says:

    The NRA keeps flipping the bill for events ,rallies etc. Gun manufacturers could step up the efforts as well. They can host more events on there dime. Why not a free ammo day at ranges ? Gun try and buys things like that. In other words GROW A PAIR !

    1. avatar Moltar says:

      Hell yeah! Step up and open a few more ranges that are open to the public. Do corporate try and buys at those ranges, do free marksmanship seminars and all sorts of community outreach. You wanna change the perceptions of normal folks? Put out your own charities that do gun related things to raise money for sick kids, homeless puppies, and all that. Get your company’s name (Ruger or whoever) attached to things people will thank God for like idk habitat houses or something. Make the regular Joe/Jane associate gun manufacturers and their products with fun social events and real help in their neighborhoods.

      1. avatar chris says:

        +1000. Change the MSM narrative that NRA members are “fascist, nazi, baby eating, dog kicking, etc.” people to people who truly love their fellow man while at the same time believing that the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.

  10. avatar BLAMMO says:

    The guns and ammo “industry” is not exactly flush with disposable cash.

    What the industry needs to do, and has needed to do for decades, is better market penetration. Especially in major cities and the coasts. 30-40% market penetration is sad. You think the auto, computer or cell phone industries ever would have been satisfied with that? Everybody wants a gun. They sell themselves.

    The NSSF should be leading the way. We don’t need more of us buying more guns. We need more gun owners who vote.

  11. avatar David Thompson says:

    Grassroots, yes. Industry sponsored, no. A huge tactical error. The anti-gun media would pounce on it as proof that gun-rights supporters are all paid shills of the gun industry.

  12. avatar former water walker says:

    Grassroots marches and protests are the way to go. Media coverage?!? They may not cover it(except FOX and Rush) but POLS sure as he!! will…if it’s near me I’m in.

  13. avatar YankeeInTexas says:

    As long as they sell weapons to the state I will have to assume that they will protect those contracts before they’d ever try to protect our rights.

  14. avatar Craig in IA says:

    I can’t believe anyone thinks gathering a bunch of rowdy people with ARs slung over their shoulders marching en masse somewhere is going to do anything for the protection of the 2nd Amendment, firearms ownership, or anything positive. We’ve never done this and don’t need to now- we have the vote. Idiots think NRA is going to send some army down to FL or VT to make a coup over their legislatures???

    Vote these people out in November and replace them with people who know how to run government and can also read and understand English. (That may be a stretch in FL) Then rescind the crap that was passed and move on with your lives. Rallies do nothing except leave mounds of trash and create confrontation of the nature that’s unnecessary in American society. Get real.

    Oh, and separating yourself from NRA is a real recipe for losing everything. Anyone really think the NAGRs or Pratt could stand up to a national push? Crazy.

    1. avatar Res says:

      Sorry but totally wrong headed. 1st off having participated in rallys in CT it was awesome to see huge crowds of fellow pro 2nd amendment people. 2nd, Got to meet many great people on our side. 3rd, going really lets you see how much the media has been distorting an outright lying about what is happening, for example they totally lied about the numbers of people that showed up. Even at the hearings the media would downplay the crowds and leave out interviews we personally saw that were great an woul pick the most un photogenic, awkward OWG possible to show. Also the police were 100% professional.

    2. avatar John in Ohio says:

      “I can’t believe anyone thinks gathering a bunch of rowdy people with ARs slung over their shoulders marching en masse somewhere is going to do anything for the protection of the 2nd Amendment, firearms ownership, or anything positive. We’ve never done this and don’t need to now-”

      We’ve done this and it’s worked pretty darn well in Ohio, Tory.

      “Oh, and separating yourself from NRA is a real recipe for losing everything.”

      The NRA and Tories like you are dangerous to liberty; pushing for government privileges in place of the exercise of unalienable individual rights. All the while, you are trying to lull the POTG into a false sense of security. We’ve encountered your kind before in this nation. Eventually, the POTG will see y’all for what you are; thieves, appeasers, or cowards.

  15. avatar TrappedInCommiefornia says:

    I still like the idea someone mentioned the other day, a national buy a gun day. I googled it to see if it had been done before. I found a fb page from 2015 that only had like 12 participants. I think if something like this was done right, if people could see a graph of nics checks for gun purchases that had a huge spike 1 month that could be attributed to such an event, it would at least grab the attention of the politicians. The hard part would be getting participation. How many people here would be willing to go to their local gun store and ask if they’d hand out flyers, or offer a discount for that day? Who would go to all the gun forums online and to all the ranges in their county to spread the word? Or call the NRA, GOA or other gun rights groups and get them involved without letting them take over, giving the antis a boogeyman to claim as the source of the “astroturf pro2a movement”? Who would contact their local media to see if they would report on it?
    The fact is, this stuff takes a lot of work, and if we aren’t willing to put in the time and effort and it falls on its face, then we will make fools of ourselves and our movement, and will have done far more damage than good.

    1. avatar Texican says:

      Could work. People who are short of cash could buy an AR lower. Has a serial # requiring a NICS check and less than $100. Now that I think about it a buy an AR lower day would really blow the media and pols minds!

  16. avatar Blkojo says:

    Saturday, April 14, Second Amendment supporters are to rally at all state capitals and in D.C. 11:00 a.m. Pacific time, noon Mountain time and so forth.

  17. avatar Hannibal says:

    Most of the broad gun industry shows better profits when gun control is enacted short of prohibition. They do better by keeping gun owners on a knife edge wondering if the next purchase they make might be their last (so better stock up!)

  18. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Will the Firearms Industry Fund Grassroots Efforts And Rallies? No, but they should.

  19. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    On one hand, you have Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox stating that they support gun violence restraining orders. On the other, you have alerts sent from the NRA-ILA stating that the membership need to fight the passage of bills that would institute gun violence restraining orders. They support regulating bump stocks like machine guns and then say that support further regulation isn’t supporting an outright ban.
    It’s utter RINOism. The RINOs cave and we lose.
    They can take all the ARs, but I am okay with my double barrel shotgun I use for duck hunting!

    1. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

      They can take all the ARs, but I am okay with my double barrel shotgun I use for duck hunting!

      Well, goodie for you, Elmer! Seen any wascawwy wabbits lately?

      If “they” take all the ARs, what the fuck makes you think they’ll stop there? Do you really believe you’d be “allowed” to keep your double barrel for long? Got news for you, Fudd, that’s a pipe dream.

      How pathetic. We certainly won’t be expecting any help from the likes of you in the all-but-inevitable upcoming fight…

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        I believe that Indiana Tom was making the statement in the place of the Fudds; not that it was his sentiment.

      2. avatar Sam I Am says:

        Slow down, cowboy. You need to take time to analyze what you read. Absurdity as an insult should be relatively easy to identify. Such as in this case.

        1. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

          Perhaps I was in a hurry when I first read Tom’s post, but even a subsequent reading does not make it as easy to identify as you might think. Without quotes, or something to set it apart from the other text, to me that statement appeared to be his sentiment, not sarcasm.

          Oh well, now I know. Hey, I haven’t memorized everyone’s idiosyncrasies around here – yet…

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          Sometimes people use “/s” as a symbol of intended sarcasm/absurdity. Sometimes people drop a coupla lines and write “sarc”. Sometimes people make a statement, then end with a line that folds back on itself and can only be understood as “sarc”. Sometimes people drop a line or two and ask something like “Do I really need to say it?”

          And, there are those who have been her so long that we understand their rhythm.

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