“Figures released [on Wednesday] as part of the semiannual Mayor’s Management Report showed police response times slowed by 42 seconds to 9.1 minutes in the 2012 fiscal year, which ended on June 30,” nypost.com reports. “For most of the mayor’s tenure, cops were able to reach crime scenes in less than 8 minutes. In 2007, they made it in just 6.9 minutes. That changed in 2011, when the average response time zoomed to 8.4 minutes.” Hang on . . .
First, NY PD and NYC have a long history of fudging crime data. Read between the lines here:
City Councilman Peter Vallone (D-Queens), chairman of the Public Safety Committee, said the wait times for non-emergencies may be even longer than what’s on the record.
“I don’t think those numbers reflect the delays that occur,” said Vallone.
He recalled that two of his chiefs-of-staff got into separate car accidents and each had to wait hours for cops to show up.
“These numbers show the increased strain on the police force we have, which is trying to respond to more calls for help,” said Vallone, an advocate for increasing the size of the NYPD.
That would be the same City Councilman Peter Vallone who received a $38k campaign contribution from AFSCME, the union representing the NYPD. And even his peeps can’t find a cop when they need one.
Second, the 911 response time is an average.
Paul Browne, the NYPD’s chief spokesman, attributed the latest increase to a spike in non-critical calls that drove up the overall average.
Response times to critical calls, such as a robbery in progress or a man with a gun, remained flat at 4.6 minutes.
“We don’t respond to them as quickly,” Browne said of the noncritical calls, which he identified as complaints where there’s no immediate threat of injury such as trespassing or graffiti.
Not to return the fudging issue (much) but I’d like to see a list of what the NYPD consider critical and non-critical calls; and how and when they’re classified as such. And then I’d like to talk to the people who fill out the paperwork. And then I’d like a new identity.
Third, I reckon anything under ten minutes is pretty damn good, given the city’s population. There are millions of rural Americans who’d die for that kind of emergency response. Have died. Will die.
Which begs the question: what happens in that nine minutes or so between the 911 call and the cops’ arrival to The Big Apple’s unarmed population? Nothing good, I imagine. Not to mention what happens before they drop the dime. [h/t Eddie Devir]
9 minutes is a lifetime in many cases!
1. Carry a gun
2. Don’t live in New Yawk.
+1!
Looks like NYC continues to be a safe place to commit crimes against an unarmed populace, and to re-evaluate the value of the 2A in modern day society. An interesting reference point: a round of fighting in the UFC is 5 minutes. I suspect a 5-10 minute a$$ kicking / robbery / burglary / attempted murder might even make the most enthusiastic gun grabber change their opinion about self defense. Then again, the only freedom you have in NYC is to be a victim of violent crime.
I wonder how the numbers are figured here- they could be counting response time as how long it takes after an officer is dispatched, rather than after a person actually calls 911. If so, they could easily be correct numbers resulting in people still waiting hours for a response.
Non-critical call: A robbery in progress at a bodega in the Bronx.
Critical call: The Mayor wants his SUV cooled. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/hizzoner_cold_feat_lYxDIMuat7x4PL7nUbdBEM
Bloomie is a hypocritical MORON.
NYC has a three minutes idling restriction? Is there anything these yahoos won’t attempt to legislate?
Apparently so, and his own people, for hizzake, were violating it until they were caught. Also good luck with a car/truck AC unit (or even a window unit hack-jobed into place) cooling a vehicle in about a minute’s time in high heat (>90 degrees)
“Even with the vehicles parked in the shade, the temperatures inside can quickly rise to more than 100 degrees.”
Wussies need to grow a pair. It hits more than 150° inside a car here in Phoenix.
Great gun laws aside, that’s the reason I could never live in Arizona.
As a rule I’m pro cop. But all the honest cops that I’ve talked to, at the local and federal level, all say more or less the same thing. Cops react to a crime after it’s been committed. Until they react you’re on your own.
By all means, if it doesn’t endanger your life call 911 and allow the cops to deal with the situation. But always have the means and ability to deal with a direct threat on your own.
Most people have a flawed perspective of LE’s role. The police prevent crime. They cannot prevent crimes. Professional LE agencies were never intended to intervene in a crime in progress, nor one that has not yet occurred. 911 has become the false hope of the desperate.
This is completely true, unless there’s a hostage situation or something similar. It is the reason I carry off duty, and the reason I encourage many people I meet on calls to carry and seek training.
Wonder how many times the NYPD sees a “crime” in progress (like those discovered during a stop and frisk, or some other nonsensical abuse of power), and those *0 minute* response times are used to bring down the average?
Out of curiosity, what’s the response time if the complaining citizen is named Bloomberg? Oh, right, he has a security detail with him. It’s good to be king, I suppose. I won’t know, since I’m not planning to visit New York any time soon.
So, if a guy with a gun gets into a populated venue, there are at least four minutes for them to hurt way too many people. That’s a lot of ammo and clip changes you could get through. It’s just sad because sooner or later a lot of people will be killed because of Bloomberg and his ego.
I think it’d be kinda hard to conceal an M1 in NYC..
What if they’re using an Obrez and loading it with clips?
If the boolits miss, the muzzle blast won’t.
Yes, but is the Obrez real or just an internet myth? I can’t imagine shooting one of those for real.
But they show up on those cool all electric Vectrix scooters!
But seriously folks…what they don’t tell ya is that if you are unlucky enough to need a cop when there is some big event or disturbance going on then there just might not be anyone available. Period. You could be way on the outside of the bell curve. Oh … and don’t think the BGs don’t know that also.
In all fairness to Hizzhonor,it wouldn’t matter how great the police response is.Assuming the NYPD legitimately took *only* 4 minutes to get to every call,there’d still be a lot of people being injured or killed in the meantime.Since most citizens never end up dialing 911,they never know that even in great police districts they’re entertaining a crook for a good long time-until its too late.
The 21 foot rule states that an attacker(s) can cover 21 feet in an average of 1.5 seconds. A blade can kill just as well as a gun in that context. Whether the police arrive in 5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 minutes it is meaningless to the dead or wounded defenseless victim.
“Paul Browne, the NYPD’s chief spokesman, attributed the latest increase to a spike in non-critical calls that drove up the overall average.”
That’s what happens when you create a nanny state filled with welfare entitlement where people expect the government to handle everything about their lives.
“Response times to critical calls, such as a robbery in progress or a man with a gun, remained flat at 4.6 minutes.”
Is he seriously insinuating that that’s good?
Everyone, pretend that a criminal has just broken into your house and is headed to your children’s room. Count down 240 seconds (we’ll be generous at 4 minutes) and let’s see how comfortable you are.
In the time it would take the cops in NYC to respond to a “critical” call,
I went downstairs.
I grabbed a beer out of the refrigerator.
I took a whiz.
I gave both my dogs a generous helping of ear skritches.
I walked back upstairs.
I sat down at my computer.
I opened the beer and had a swig.
And I typed up this comment.
You are responsible for your own safety.
What type of dogs do you have?
“What type of dogs do you have?”
Happy.
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I have a German Shorthair Pointer for birds. I have a mutt (Italian Greyhound/Rat Terrier) for an alarm.
Sounds like a great combo.
An Italian greyhound/rat terrier mix? Does it look like a hairy snake with legs?
@jwm:
LOL. More like a long-legged fox with a slick (not bushy) tail. Ears like radar dishes. When we first got him home, there were lots of sounds that were unfamiliar to him. Of course, each new sound deserved a barking fit. One time he was just chilling by my feet while I was upstairs on the computer. All of a sudden he starts barking his fool head off and dashes downstairs. I followed. He was going ape-sh!t in the laundry room. From a floor away, the little guy had heard our cat scratching in the litter box.
Was that an assault beer? With a 30-swig magazine?
Not that its anything new, but I envision a whole slew of BGs practicing their evil deeds with stop watches now.
BG Leader: Come on youze guyz… pick up the pace! My old lady could grab dem julz faster than youze.
Jewelry store smash-and-grab teams tend to aim for a 45-second stay time. The pro’s do, anyhow. I’ve heard.
Kind of like a NASCAR team…. practice, practice, etc.
Still, the nine minute delay gives innocent bystanders time to evacuate before the cops shoot them.
+100
NYPD officers and supervisors are not represented by AFCME. Each rank has it’s own benevolent association.
First, I wish we had 9 minute responce times in my neck of the woods, it’s more like 40 minutes.
Second, I wonder how the “non-critical” response times will increase with the soon to be reported sightings of 20 oz(or larger) sugary drinks in the streets ofd NYC? If I had the time and money, I’d set up a store in the city and hand out “Big-Gulps” for free just to make his highness the mayor angry.
Somewhere along the way 911 taken to mean self defense. Obviously it doesn’t
Take the place do a self defense plan which may or not include firearms. England too this one step further and restricted the right to defend oneself, many famous cases of victims being charged with aggression towards thugs.