Video Shows Police Attempt to Use a Taser on Ahmaud Arbery

By Russ Bynum, AP

A video released Monday shows police in Georgia attempting to search Ahmaud Arbery’s parked car in 2017 and when he refuses to let them and begins to walk back to the vehicle an officer tries to use a stun gun on him.

The video, first obtained by The Guardian, shows Arbery refusing Glynn County police when they ask to search his Toyota and as he walks toward his vehicle he is told “don’t reach the car” and “keep your hands out your pockets.” The officer then pulls the Taser and attempts to use it, but it malfunctions and Arbery is told to get down on the ground, which he does.

When Arbery questions why the cops are bothering him he’s told that the area is known for drugs, a suggestion that agitates Arbery who said he is not on drugs and to check his “s—-!” Officers then proceed to check him for weapons while clarifying this action was not a search, but a check.

In a police report, also obtained by The Guardian, officers said Arbery, who was parked when confronted by officers, was free to go but could not take his vehicle because his license was suspended. The report said that after he left the scene they noticed Arbery’s passenger side window was open and that they smelled what they believed to be marijuana and noticed a bag with a leafy substance inside.

Calls and emails to the Glynn County Police Department and Arbery’s family attorney Benjamin Crump have not been returned.

Arbery was killed Feb. 23 after a pursuit by a white father and son who armed themselves and gave chase after seeing the 25-year-old black man running in their subdivision. More than two months passed before Gregory McMichael, 64, and Travis McMichael, 34, were jailed on charges of felony murder and aggravated assault.

A judge from outside the coastal Georgia community where Arbery was fatally shot has been appointed to preside over trial proceedings of the two men charged with Arbery’s murder, including one defendant with close ties to law enforcement.

Court documents filed in Glynn County show that Superior Court Judge Timothy R. Walmsley was appointed to the case after all five judges in the legal circuit where Arbery was killed recused themselves. Walmsley is based in Savannah, about 70 miles (110 kilometers) north of where the slaying occurred just outside the port city of Brunswick.

Gregory McMichael, a retired investigator for the local district attorney, told police he thought Arbery was a burglar. He said Arbery attacked his son before he was shot.

Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper-Jones, has said she believes her son was merely out jogging.

The delay in criminal charges and a cellphone video of the shooting leaked shortly before the May 7 arrests fueled national outrage over Arbery’s death.

Last week, defense attorneys for the McMichaels cautioned against rushing to judgment. They said they soon plan to seek a preliminary hearing from a magistrate judge in Glynn County at which new details might be revealed. They also plan to ask that the McMichaels be released from jail on bond pending trial. That decision will now fall to Walmsley.

No court hearings had been scheduled as of Monday afternoon.

Gregory McMichael worked as an investigator for the local district attorney for more than two decades before he retired last year. Attorneys for Arbery’s family and others have blamed the delay in arrests in part on the elder McMichael’s ties to local law enforcement. The McMichaels weren’t charged until after the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was brought into the case in early May.

Meanwhile, three district attorneys have passed on prosecuting the case, which now resides with the district attorney of Cobb County in metro Atlanta.

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  1. avatar pwrserge says:

    Oh this guy looks like a peach… Truly a DGU waiting to happen. Pro tip… You’re not allowed to wear your underwear outside your pants unless your name is Superman.

    1. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

      Now you’re supporting fashion police?

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        More like the common sense police. You wouldn’t catch me dead in an Adidas track suit squatting on my porch with a pack of cigarettes rolled into my sleeve. At some point, you have to take responsibility for your own stupid decisions.

        1. avatar arc says:

          Adidas is lit.

          I forget most of the history behind why it’s popular in Russian and Slavic countries but I think it stems from getting tracksuits and other goods to Russian Olympic teams, during the cold war days, when sanctions were rampant, sanctions… sounds familiar. Adidas made the Russian Olympic uniforms, so the Russians support the brand to this day.

          The well connected could get Adidas track suits and were a status symbol for the most part, later on, the poor embraced them because they were functional clothing that was also affordable.

        2. avatar anonymous says:

          TTAG should have a new article called

          PWRSERGE! Turning people off left and right to “citizen’s arrest.”

          Do you support citizen’s arrest???? Listen to pwrserge talk for 5 minutes! You will be ready and willing to vote against it, in 5 minutes.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          Take it from someone who grew up rather poor in the Soviet Union. Only two kinds of people wore those track suits ever. One one kind wore it for anything other than calisthenics.

        4. avatar S.Crock says:

          I don’t know how anyone can get anything out of this video other than our drug laws are absurd and “I smell weed” is the most blatant pass to violate the fourth amendment.

          Did Ahmaud react poorly when confronted by the police? Yes.
          Should the police have been messing with him in the first place? No.
          Did this incident reveal anything noteworthy regarding the incident when Ahmaud was chased down and gunned down in the street? No.

        5. avatar Huntmaster says:

          Yes and that time has arrived for the McMichaels.

        6. avatar Red says:

          You would fit right in Georgia’s police force with that attitude.

      2. avatar Mister Fleas says:

        You support wearing underwear outside the pants?

        1. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

          No, but also don’t support a citizen’s fashion choice being used as a basis for the police to hassle them.

    2. avatar Chief Censor says:

      I thought a black man in America is supposed to have his human rights respected by police? Why are you not talking about Arbery’s rights being violated and the police attempting to assault him with a less lethal weapon illegally?

      Watch the entire body cam. You will see a violation of Arbery: an attempt to lock him up and take his property when he was simply minding his business. He followed orders, he gave them his ID, he allowed them to search his person, he even got on his knees for them. Sure, he was being a tough young man trying to stand up to the police, that’s not a shocker. People whom grow up with white privilege didn’t have to experience the non whites or poor peoples’ life; they wouldn’t understand.

      Growing up in a similar way Arbery did, with similar people, I know exactly how he feels. I have my own experiences with people treating me a certain way just because of the way I look. I explained in previous comments how Arbery was likely fed up with white people violating him because he is considered suspicious simply due to his appearance, gender or skin tone.

      Go watch how people treat police during their first amendment audits and protests, Look how white men are treating the cops because Trump told them to liberate themselves from house arrest.

      1. avatar That's Some BS Censor says:

        You know Censor, if non whites were so scared of the cops they wouldn’t be so fookin aggressive toward them. That’s not fear. When your afraid you defer, demur, look down, have deferential body language. What we see in videos of this guy is anger, hatred, aggression. As serge said he was a DGU waiting to happen and he finally accomplished it.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          You did a great job ignoring what I said.

          Have you ever been a young testosterone filled man? Have you ever grew up in the hood? Have you ever had cops beat, tase or threaten to kill you with their guns? Have you been harassed many times because of your race? Have people treated you like a criminal every time they see you? Have you ever had a man help convict you that has no legal authority to work on your case? Has that illegal investigator who worked on your case assumed you’re a fleeing felon and chased you with guns? Have you ever had to run away for over 4 minutes and have a shotgun pointed at you? Have you ever been shot three times with a shotgun by the same people that have been fucking with you for years?

          I would be angry too when my human rights are violated by people that swore to protect them. I would be angry if I was constantly harassed and treated like everything I do is a crime when the same officers are corrupt. If I was in the same situation as Arbery, I too would be angry with the system created by white men for white men.

          I will not be surprised if they use this body cam to show why Arbery would attack after being chased for 4 minutes and accused of a felony without evidence. This video actually helps Arbery’s case. It shows he wasn’t crazy like the DA said. It’s very understandable when a black man snaps after years of abuse from white people. If he was really jogging through a white neighborhood, it would make total sense why he would attack after a gun was pointed at him by a white man that assumed he was committing crimes.

          Stop blaming the victim for standing his ground and protecting the Bill of Rights. He rather die on his feet than live on his knees. They tried to tase him when he was getting on his knees, they had to shoot him three times point black to kill him while he was on his feet.

          If Arbery turns out to be completely innocent, he would have done more for human rights and the justice system than most white men who talk shit about him have ever done.

        2. avatar jwtaylor says:

          Some people demure and cower as you suggest. We refer to those as pussies. Others not so much. We call them free.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          “you defer, demur, look down”

          Yeah, that’s it, this uppity boy wouldn’t mind his betters, he deserved a butt whipping!

          When he asserted his rights and refused to have his car searched, they tased him.

          And everybody on this list maintains he’s the bad guy? He was non-violent, provided his ID when I asked and complied with her instructions, everything a citizen is required to do.

          Will these officers ever be held accountable for their unlawful attempted assault with the Taser?
          Not likely, they are members of the right… class.

          No wonder the young man had an attitude, he’s been unlawfully harassed by LEOs in the past, of course he didn’t trust them to do the right thing.

          Notice this article doesn’t mention a word about the elder McMichaels‘ multiple years of unlawful practice of law enforcement in that county, without proper certification.

          Also, there’s no mention of DA Barnhill’s commission of prosecutorial misconduct by not disclosing his conflict of interest regarding McMichaels and issuing an opinion declining to prosecute the case.

          Isn’t white privilege a great thing… for white people.

        4. avatar Chief Censor says:

          Don’t forget the video was spliced and edited. Greg got the video from Roddy and gave it to Alan. The video is much longer. They only released the end where Arbery stood his ground after Travis committed aggravated assault.

          Travis was charged with aggravated assault and felony murder. The felony murder charge is based on him pointing the gun at Arbery before he was attacked for doing so.

          Gun owners know you can’t grab a gun and point it at people whenever you feel like it. That is a crime.

        5. avatar Dude says:

          “Isn’t white privilege a great thing… for white people.”

          Imagine Stacey Abrams and Al Sharpton being white and still being relevant. I’d say it’s worked pretty well for them.

        6. avatar rt66paul says:

          Slaves did not always show submission to the masters or overseers, but there was a lot of hate showing. When you are constantly belittled and made to jump through hoops, sooner or later the person thought of as a circus animal will show his teeth.

          I, for one, would rather see underwear than see the skin it is hiding.

        7. avatar Red says:

          When you are a black man in Georgia dealing with all white cops, nothing more need to be said. They are there to mess with him. I wouldn’t put it past these clowns to put marijuana in his car window. These kinds of low-life cops wouldn’t think twice about it.

          I am white and Georgia would be one of the last states I would ever consider moving to.

        8. avatar Red says:

          That is because no matter what black males do, if the cops want to nail them, they’ll always start something. Can anyone blame them for being mad? What’s the point of being deferential? So you can get hauled away quietly? How is that a great plan? Black males know white Georgia cops make a sport of seeing how many they can harass for no good reason. It’s obvious. How many blacks are on the police force? Probably absolute zero. Because he might not take kindly to making a sport of harassing young black guys. Screw Georgia. I wish I-95 didn’t go through Georgia. I’m tempted to go around it.

      2. avatar RedEagle says:

        I agree 100% the fact that gorgia and so many other are so unsupportive of these facts. Stop looking at his skin color and think of that was your son. Is that okay!? Really!? No!!!!!!!! It is fucking wrong!!

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          If it was my son, his ass would have been in the ER on life support after the beating I would give him for bringing a gun to school.

        2. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @pwrserge

          You would beat your adult son for carrying a handgun for self defense because he carried it in a gun free zone? I thought you respected the Bill of Rights? I thought you fought for the Bill of Rights?

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          Chief, Sergei is clearly a hypocrite and probably a racist.

          He clearly supports the right to keep and bear arms, unless it’s a young black male and he should be prosecuted!

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          The Bill of Rights protects you from the government, not my ass whooping.

        5. avatar chuckers says:

          Bite me, Al Sharpton is black trash. These two idiots who shot this man for no true reason are white trash. Trash is trash so quit calling it something it is not.

      3. avatar CWT says:

        If you hadn’t lost all credibility before your use of the white privilege lie would take care of that.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          I am the only one here putting out the facts with evidence. I put more out than your favorite news site.

          Stop ignoring history. There is hundreds of years of evidence. There was genocide and slavery. You can’t ignore those facts. America’s society was shaped by it.

          This isn’t normal for other multicultural societies. Americans refuses to learn from their past, therefore, they are doomed to repeat it.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Lol… “genocide” lol… ok commie… Slavery existed for thousands of years, then a bunch of white guys decided that it was a bad thing and died by the hundreds of thousands to end it. You’re welcome.

        3. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @pwrserge

          Did Europe have to have a civil war to stop slavery? Did millions of Europeans have to die to stop other Europeans from treating non whites as property?

          Who populated all of the Americas and surrounding islands? Where did those people go and how did they go?

          The civil war wasn’t about slavery, by the way. It was about economics and politics. The slavery excuse was like “weapons of mass destruction.”

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          Yeah… Go look up the Napoleonic wars. One of the conditions that England imposed on other countries was the abolition of slavery.

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          “a bunch of white guys decided that it was a bad thing and died by the hundreds of thousands to end it.“

          Yes, and more hundreds of thousands of white guys died to protect the practice of slavery and the denial of rights to Americans.

        6. avatar Ron says:

          Miner you need to study more history in particular how the slave trade worked in relation to Europe.

          Europe didn’t have to have civil wars over slavery because by in large, slaves weren’t brought to Europe. They were brought to the colonies. The European powers certainly weren’t going to sully up Europe with “inferior people”. It was a colonial problem, and ending slavery was easy for the European elite, so distant from the reality on the ground that they created.

          You miner, and your liberal ilk, aught to learn a bit more about Europe before you worship it so much. You hold Europe in such god like status yet it is the home of more imperialism, genocide, war, and tyranny then the US ever has committed.

          But you don’t care about that, do you? Because only the US is capable of evil.

          Let’s just clarify things… you don’t really even care about slavery, either…

          They only thing you care about is destroying the US. Every fiber in your being must exist to trash and spew hate against America. Your true goal on this board is simply to spit on the American flag and the brave souls who’ve fought for it.

      4. avatar James Ivy says:

        I’m actually surprised the first officer let him get that close without reprisal. Listen a black man with his pants around his ankle looking to emulate gangsters will be looked at carefully and for good reason.that whole I’m black and poor and whitey wants to bring me down is horseshit. If you make yourself look the part, as an officer I would judge you all day if you show your ass that’s what you get

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          I’m glad you’re a Canadian.

      5. avatar The Grey Man says:

        Meanwhile in Chicago….. https://heyjackass.com

        1. avatar chuckers says:

          Gangs are killing gangs. Chicago is an evil town from further back than you can remember. Remember Al Capon and the Saint Valintines Massacre? This is but one example of what Chicago stands for. It was born on evil ground and it will be evil till the end of times.

      6. avatar Garrison Hall says:

        “I have my own experiences with people treating me a certain way just because of the way I look. . .”

        That’s called “social status”. In a class based society it is gained or lost through human endeavor. As one changes so can the other. That’s called “upward and downward mobility”.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          Does that mean when my skin gets lighter I get wealthier? If so, no more sun for me.

        2. avatar Red says:

          The Civil War wasn’t about slavery. Enough said, Georgia Boy. Didn’t need to say anything else. No slavery; no Civil War. Simple as that. Anyone not brainwashed into the Lost Cause garbage knows that.

        3. avatar Big says:

          Red U don’t even no wat a slavery is

    3. avatar RGP says:

      What about Batman?

      1. avatar chuckers says:

        The north wanted to tax the living crap out of the south. The south was plantations, large fields making a substainable living. When the taxes broke the backs of the south they rose up and opposd the north. Hense the civil war. When it happens this time the south will have the advantage and the north will get their tails whipped, if they push it that far. Antone who thinks it is all right to take over half what a person makes to make themselves richer needs to be shot, plain and simple. Right now they are taking more like 70 or 80% from the Chineese but they don;t know they are being screrwed. Of course there are some of us getting a lot more by making agreements with members of the enemy for special business deals while they sell our country down the drain, Elizabeth Warren and her husbands company that got exclusive deals from China while a communist Chineese spy acting as her chauffer drove her all around Washington DC., what the hell Pelosi!. are you an American citizen or a communist plant. Plerase pull your head out of your ass and act in the interest of your country.

    4. avatar Chief Censor says:

      By the way, a huge thing that is very important in this case that no one has mentioned yet: Gregory McMichael worked on Arbery’s shoplifting case in 2017 while he was not qualified to be a police officer. Then he tries to illegally work a case (with his 4 man lynch mob) against Arbery for “burglary” the day he was killed by Travis.

      Greg called Rash to tell Larry to give him direct access to the info going on at his property so he could catch Arbery or others. Officer Rash is the responding officer who wrote the report for Arbery’s homicide. Hmm…

      Three officers and the police chief were arrested — days around Arbery’s killing — for corruption regarding many felonies committed by their drug task force. The same type of officers who messed with Arbery in this taser incident.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        DA investigators don’t have to have that certification. Do you keep up with every certification you’ve ever gotten even if it’s not relevant to your current job?

        You have no idea what DA investigators actually do, do you?

        1. avatar RedEagle says:

          I hate the police.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          The criminally inclined have a tendency to, yes.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          “DA investigators don’t have to have that certification.”

          Yes, I’m sure you know Georgia law much better than I do, I’m hoping you can explain something to me.

          I think below are the pertinent points of Georgia statute concerning investigators for the prosecutor’s office, it seems to indicate that ‘Peace Officer’ certification is necessary.

          Sergei, would you look it over and see what you think?

          (c) Any investigator employed by the district attorney’s office and authorized by the district attorney to carry weapons or to exercise any of the powers of a peace officer of this state shall meet the requirements of Chapter 8 of Title 35 and shall serve at the pleasure of the district attorney.

          2010 Georgia Code
          TITLE 35 – LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND AGENCIES
          CHAPTER 8 – EMPLOYMENT AND TRAINING OF PEACE OFFICERS
          § 35-8-10 – Applicability and effect of certification requirements generally; requirements as to exempt persons

          (a) No person required to comply with the certification provisions of this chapter shall be employed or appointed by any law enforcement unit without certification from the council that the applicant has met the preemployment requirements established in this chapter, and no candidate shall perform any of the duties of a peace officer involving the power of arrest until such training shall have been successfully completed.

          (b) Peace officers commencing any employment or service on any terms with the Department of Public Safety, counties, municipalities, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Natural Resources, the Department of Revenue, Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Unit, the Secretary of State’s investigative section, the Office of the Commissioner of Insurance and Safety Fire Commissioner, or a railroad after July 1, 1975, are required to comply with the certification provisions of this chapter.“

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          Good job Nazi 69er… You proved my point by citing the relevant statutes. Your obvious lack of reading comprehension is astounding, even for a Chi-com KungPowTroll.

        5. avatar chuckers says:

          Let it go and let the leagal minds sort it out.

      2. avatar Miner49er says:

        Yes, admit you were wrong when you said certification is not required to be an investigator for the prosecutors office.

        “Any investigator employed by the district attorney’s office and authorized by the district attorney to carry weapons or to exercise any of the powers of a peace officer of this state shall meet the requirements of Chapter 8 of Title 35”

        To ignore your error is just juvenile.

        So go ahead, check with your handlers to see what your response will be. I’m very interesting in what your controller offers as a response to the actual statute proving your post wrong.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Once again, read section a again… SLOWLY.

          Here’s the key part…

          “perform any of the duties of a peace officer involving the power of arrest”

          Here’s the hint for you… DA’s investigators don’t arrest people.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          Really? Do you believe investigators for the DAs office don’t carry guns and don’t arrest people?

          Have you actually ever been in a county courthouse in the US and interacted with any officers of the court?

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          Actually, yes. Senior investigators mostly shuffle paper and follow up on witnesses. It’s considered a good “2 years to retirement” job.

        4. avatar Miner49er says:

          “It’s considered a good “2 years to retirement” job.”

          McMichaels had been Depriving citizens of their rights under color of law from at least 2006 until 2014, when it was brought to the DAs attention. At that point they suspended him because he had lost his certification in 2006, they confiscated his badge and gun and barred him from participating in arrest, raids or field operations.

          “McMichael had to turn in his badge, gun and keys and was not allowed to serve subpoenas or work in the field in any manner.
          In a 2014 email to District Attorney Jackie Johnson, another investigator with the District Attorney investigator who Johnson tasked to look into the issue told her because he didn’t have arrest powers and had not had them since Jan 2006 “liability for any improper actions by Greg would fall on Greg, the District Attorneys Office and you personally.”

    5. avatar This is a confusing case says:

      He is still on probation for the weapons charge when this happens.

      We have driving with a suspended license. That’s an arrestable offense for a guy on probation. (I know some will point out that the wasn’t driving in this video, so those people will have to assume that he pushed the car into the park)

      He was aggressive and hostile.

      The police report (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NB84hbTOdL2Hbxlv6BM1luvJXwB6MrIk/view) states that after Arbery left they saw that Arbery’s drivers side window was open and that they smelled what they believed to be marijuana and noticed a bag with a leafy substance inside. Wouldn’t that have been probably cause for a vehicle search at that time? So why wasn’t a vehicle search conducted then, on body cam, and a warrant issued based on that?

      IF the car had been searched, marijuana found, and a warrant issued, THEN he would have had an active warrant during his Wal Mart TV shoplifting arrest a month later.

      This guy is certainly no saint and it is looking more and more like he is the kind of aggressive violent criminal who would attack a man who was holding a shotgun and try to take it away from him.

      Also, the taser malfunctions in this video. In the Wal Mart video the first pair of handcuffs don’t work. He seems to have some sort of anti LEO field that causes tasers and handcuffs to malfunction around him.

      1. avatar Chief Censor says:

        America has human rights respected under law. Well, it used to.

        You must not have much experience with police work.

        The whole “I smell weed” or “I see some drug paraphernalia” is a way for a cop to weasel his way into searching people and their property without needing permission. Arbery strictly stated the officers does not have permission to search his car. The officers had to make up a reason to arrest Arbery because they violated his rights. If they had tased him, Arbery could have sued them and won a nice sum. So, the officer was trying to figure out a way to seize Arbery’s property by making up a story, he was doing this after Arbery walked him because he is not allowed to drive.

        Please, do not throw away the Bill of Rights because you don’t like that dead black man or want to defend the white men that killed him.

        Prohibition should be done away with. No one should be arrested for exercising their right to keep and bear arms. No one should be arrested for putting whatever substance they want into their body.

        The drug war and the war on guns was designed to put non whites in prison for life. So was the three strikes rule. Georgia also has a law for maximum sentencing if a felon from out of state gets convicted in Georgia for a felony. These unjust laws are meant to put non whites in prison for life.

        Under the 13th Amendment prisoners can be slaves.

        1. avatar This is a confusing case says:

          I agree with you about doing away with prohibition, and needing to get rid of many ridiculous laws. But the other part of your post doesn’t make any sense.

          They DIDN’T search his car. They DID let him go. OF course he walked. Watch youtube videos, or episodes of cops, or whatever, videos of cops dealing with people with expired or suspended licenses. The ones they don’t arrest always have to walk or have a licensed person drive if one is there.

          I’m not saying they didn’t make up the smell and the baggie, but either way at that point why NOT search the car, impound it, issue a warrant, etc? Why SEE and SMELL that or SAY that and then, either way, do nothing? It doesn’t make any sense to me.

        2. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Maybe because the sight and smell were lies, just as is commonly claimed?

        3. avatar Icabod says:

          Yes, the “I smell weed” is a familiar excuse. However, notice that the police didn’t enter the car.
          Odds are, they tried the “I smell weed and I see a bag” to get a warrant and were told “no.”

    6. avatar Some F'ED up Sh!t says:

      I see 3 possible solution to all this race/cops shyt;

      1) We get rid of cops. Then they can’t shoot or harass or tase anyone.

      2) We get rid of black people. Then they can’t get themselves shot or commit crimes. No it doesn’t have to be genocide. Deport them all to someplace else. Mexico is light 1/3 of it’s population who are in the US illegally, so maybe we can send them there. Europe is big on taking refugees so that is also a possibility. A lot of African and Middle Eastern countries have had a lot of their population move to Europe so maybe those places are options too.

      3) Both 1 and 2. This seems to me to be the best option. It solves all of the problems with cops and black people, cops and non black people, non black people and black people, and non black people and cops. It even solves problems between black people and black people. Non black people don’t seem to have too much trouble with non black people, so after this we should be OK.

      Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist I am just fookin around. This is all just joking and not at all serious.

      1. avatar Dude says:

        On a more serious note, how about the government offers any citizen who expresses anti-American sentiment, a one-way trip out of this country. The kicker is, you are never allowed to return for any reason. How many takers do you think there would be? LeBron James would be the first to jump on that, right?

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Why discriminate against non-citizens, I’m thinking of Meghan and Harry, here?! Lotsa nasty talk, then WHAM! they’re in LA.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          Yeah, that’s the ticket!

          All those anti-government protesters at the state capital here recently, deport them!

          All those anti-government protesters, who called our elected President Obama every name in the book and portrayed him as Hitler, deport them!

          Some of you people are hilarious.

        3. avatar Dude says:

          Read again. I said “anti-American sentiment”

          As in those that constantly express hatred of this country. That doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed to disagree with the fools in charge. Debate and free speech is necessary and healthy. It isn’t one and the same. The fact that they wouldn’t leave negates their argument that it’s such an awful country to live in.

        4. avatar Dude says:

          Miner,
          How does “…offers any citizen…” get translated into “deport them” in your mind?

      2. avatar Chief Censor says:

        That’s funny.

        In all seriousness, the police need to be done away with. They were created to undermine the sheriff’s office so the politicians can have direct access to the enforcers. America needs to abolish all the police departments and go back to using the constitutional law enforcement of the land. This will also require getting rid of gun laws so people can defend life, liberty and property.

        Law enforcement needs to be under the control of the people. We don’t need people who just follow orders from politicians for a large pay check.

        1. avatar Dude says:

          I don’t think I’ve ever been pulled over by a Sheriff/deputy (elected office), only city cops and state troopers, and I had a lot of experience in getting pulled over as a younger man.

        2. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @Dude

          That’s because the deputies don’t have time for small shit. They have to deal with real crimes and the jail system.

          It’s the police department that makes it their job to harasses people and they have the time to enforce millions of laws for revenue. They are the ones patrolling for any little damn thing they see that tickles their fancy.

        3. avatar Ed says:

          In Boston, Massachusetts, the Night Watch, Day Watch and later the Police Department evolved from the local militia that guarded the town.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Watch
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Police_Department

          This was not unique to Boston and the criticism of the role of police existed from inception.
          https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/

    7. avatar Binder says:

      Total damage control by the police department. Perhaps they should bring up speeding tickets too. The fact that they are showing stuff like this means that they are scared a stupid. A looks like an attempted to influence a jury to me.

      1. avatar rt66paul says:

        So who patrols the unincorporated areas of the county? In Ca, the sheriff is responsible for policing areas that are not covered by city police. They even contract out to cities that don’t want to have a police force/pensions, etc – it is easier and cheaper to pay the sheriff’s dept for service.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          And we get to choose who the Sheriff will be.

    8. avatar Ron says:

      I honestly got to hand to you PWRSERGE. For real. Only you could enrage people like Chief Censor and Miner 49er enough to the point where they are literally defending the existence of police…. that sir, is an epic level of rage trolling. My hat is off to you.

    9. avatar chuckers says:

      What the heck difference does it make. SO you thought he might have smoked marijuana ounce, is he a bad person who deserves to be shot, NO!. I’m a red neck but I’m not for killing people who smoke dope. I don’t hang out with them, they are not my friends but what the heck, leave them along it’s their business.

  2. avatar million says:

    Is this an attempt to prejudice the public?

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      By the Guardian? Really?

    2. avatar Hasaf says:

      I am wondering the same. The previous incident had nothing to do with the incident that resulted in his eath.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        It shows a pattern of behavior.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          True.

          It could be used in the court. I expect it to be used. However, it’s not really going to help the McMichaels like they think it will.

          Although Arbery is a young, loud mouth, tough guy, he wasn’t out of control during his arrest in front of his buddies when they tried to steal a TV. He was following orders when the police infringed on his rights during the taser incident. The one time he didn’t was when he was 19 and he ran from the security guard who called the police on him.

          Arbery respected the uniform of an official officer of the law. He apparently didn’t respect wannabes.

        2. avatar Ron says:

          Wow look at that.. Chief censor defending the existence of police… aren’t you one of those who constantly argues we should ban all police? Pretty sure you are.

          The world turned upside down.

      2. avatar John Boch says:

        You can’t take previous patterns of behavior into account in a civilian deadly force incident… unless you’re the government.

        Well you can, but you’re gonna do time.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          You can if the shooter had knowledge of said previous behavior. Which, as an investigating officer on the perp’s previous theft case, he most certainly would.

        2. avatar LarryinTX says:

          While in the midst of his own “previous behavior”, impersonating a police officer?

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          Assumes facts not in evidence. Try harder.

        4. avatar Miner49er says:

          “as an investigating officer on the perp’s previous theft case, he most certainly would.”

          Assumes facts not in evidence.

          There’s no evidence showing he was properly certified as an officer for his position with the DA, in fact, there are statements to the contrary by public officials.

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          You’ve already cited the relevant statute as to why said certification is not required. The DA’s office is not covered by the certification stature. Why? Because DA investigators don’t NEED the power of arrest.

        6. avatar Miner49er says:

          Again, Sergei’s knowledge of Georgia statute is brilliant!

          I have learned so much in a short time, DA investigators don’t arrest people, wow!

          Fulton County has their info online:

          “The Criminal Investigations Division provides support and resources to Assistant District Attorneys prior to, during, and after the prosecution of felony criminal cases. Among their varied duties, DA Investigators must locate and interview complainants, suspects, victims and witnesses involved in felony cases. Investigators also draft subpoenas and search warrants, obtain and review police reports from various law enforcement agencies and prepare investigative reports.
          DA investigators also participate in a variety of case assignments including raids, arrests and undercover operations. The Investigations Division is comprised of professional personnel with a wealth of local, state and federal law enforcement experience. Investigators have arrest powers and are POST certified.
          The Division is led by a Chief Investigator and is comprised of a total of 46 investigators who are assigned to the trial division, specialized prosecution units and executive security detail.”

          And regarding the gentleman in question:

          “Personnel records obtained by News4Jax show that in 2014, McMichael faced suspension of his certification with the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council. Because of his deficit in training hours, McMichael had not had arrest powers since 2006.

          McMichael had to turn in his badge, gun and keys and was not allowed to serve subpoenas or work in the field in any manner.
          In a 2014 email to District Attorney Jackie Johnson, another investigator with the District Attorney investigator who Johnson tasked to look into the issue told her because he didn’t have arrest powers and had not had them since Jan 2006 “liability for any improper actions by Greg would fall on Greg, the District Attorneys Office and you personally.”

          What does it mean when the report says:

          “McMichael had to turn in his badge, gun and keys and was not allowed to serve subpoenas or work in the field in any manner.”

          Ivan, I’m trying to understand why you think you know so much about the law and in fact, know very little. Why are you so invested in this case, that you would maintain an irrational and unreasonable position regarding the law?

          Is your hatred of young black males that overwhelming? Are you upset because one stole your boyfriend?

        7. avatar pwrserge says:

          What part of this job description sounds like it needs a badge?

          “Among their varied duties, DA Investigators must locate and interview complainants, suspects, victims and witnesses involved in felony cases. Investigators also draft subpoenas and search warrants, obtain and review police reports from various law enforcement agencies and prepare investigative reports.”

        8. avatar Miner49er says:

          “What part of this job description sounds like it needs a badge?”

          The part where they issued him a gun, and a badge that they later confiscated from him when they discovered that he was violating the law by acting as a peace officer without having his POST certification as Georgia statute requires.

          And the cut and paste text you are pretending is his job description is only a part of the investigator’s duties that you carefully edited from my previous post of the verbatim statute.

          Ivan, you are rather clumsy, I don’t think you’d quite make it in a real operational situation.

        9. avatar pwrserge says:

          Yes dipshit, I also know that most investigators don’t do field work. Just like most FBI agents are accountants with badges.

        10. avatar Miner49er says:

          “Yes dipshit, I also know that most investigators don’t do field work.”

          Your answer is meaningless and irrelevant in the case at hand.

          The official record shows that this investigator did indeed carry a badge and a gun and participate in subpoena and arrest warrant service.

          And the record shows that he performed the functions of a peace officer for at least eight years without the POST certification required by Georgia statute.

          This flagrant violation of Georgia statute requirements just indicates the depth of corruption within the prosecutor’s office.

          Not only are the McMichaels going to prison, it looks like they may take some prosecutors and police officers along with them.

          The real tragedy is that this corrupt cover-up was successful for almost 3 months, but fortunately the prosecutors and LEOs were inept and were not able to maintain the blue wall to protect their corrupt and murderous friends.

  3. avatar Anonymous says:

    It looks strange that he is parked on the grass behind a park. That said, there was zero reason to try to tase him. They said step away from the car. He stepped away from the car. They said hands out of your pockets and he lifted his hands up. Why tase him unless you are scared or annoyed because he isn’t delivering the respect you think you earned. This video does not help the image of the cops. Believe it or not – No, you don’t get to search any car you want because someone looks like a gangster.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      If you go to a fox hunt, don’t dress as a fox. If you want to be a member of respectable society, don’t dress like a criminal.

      1. avatar Anonymous says:

        That sounds like liberty right there. I think you nailed the definition of freedom.

        The problem with your statement is – these kinds of black people of this culture are going to continue to exist in the US. You can’t eradicate them and you don’t get to. Maybe you want to, but it’s not going to happen. You might not like the people that dress like foxes – but you don’t get to dictate their garb. Sorry.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Well, if they want to dress like criminals, they get to deal with the consequences.

        2. avatar Anonymous says:

          And if you harass people who look to you to be dressed like criminals, you get to face the consequences too. Just like the criminal ambush squad in the street did.

        3. avatar Chief Censor says:

          It sounds like Serge converted to Islam.

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          Well, Islam IS right about women. Gotta give credit where its due.

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          “Well, Islam IS right about women. Gotta give credit where its due.”

          I see you are a member of the ‘he-man woman haters club‘, somehow I knew that already.

          I’m surprised that you agree with Islam‘s position on women, but I imagine you enjoy performing the genital mutilation that is required by the strict adherence to the faith.
          Are you brave enough to do it with your teeth or is the blood just too icky for you?

        6. avatar pwrserge says:

          Lol… boomer needs to calibrate his meme detector

        7. avatar Ron says:

          Goddamn Serge your even getting them to bash Islam 🤣

          Your making them dance like a damn marionette…

          You liberal trolls are in over heads on this one. Might as well hand it up.

        8. avatar Miner49er says:

          Ronnie, I personally think that radical Islamic fundamentalism is one of the more dangerous religious movements on the planet.

          What is surprising is Sergei’s praise for Islam, his admiration for their view on women is, frankly, sad.

      2. avatar Miner49er says:

        Sergei, you often dress like Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph.
        When you wear a coat and tie, you look just like Al Kapone our Bugsy Siegel.

        Obviously, you’re a criminal and should be detained at gunpoint by any citizen who happens to notice you. And if you attempt to escape or resist the citizens arrest, you can be shot with impunity.

        Hey, I like that, good idea, Ivan!

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Fuck around and find out Chi-com KungPowTroll.

        2. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @pwrserge

          You will be charged with a hate crime.

          Stop hating Asians and Africans. They will ban you from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. If Asia finds out, places like Korea and Thailand will ban you from their countries.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          Them and what army?

    2. avatar frank speak says:

      if he continued to approach his vehicle when instructed not do so that’s sufficient cause for restraint…

      1. avatar Anonymous says:

        Disagree. He stepped away from the video immediately when asked not to approach the video.

        1. avatar Anonymous says:

          video (vehicle)

          Autocorrect needs a dictionary

        2. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

          Yeah, I’ll monday morning QB this video.
          I did not see any reason to taser this guy. Period.
          I used it a few times to good effect. But with that loose flowing coat? Even if the darts did shoot out, if one hit that coat, it probably wouldn’t do anything.

    3. avatar Umm . . . says:

      They jumped right to Level 5 (less-lethal weapons) of the Use of Force Continuum, moments before he readily complied with Level 2 (verbal commands) despite the unreasonableness of their stop. Luckily for him, the cop knew just as little about his equipment as he does about the law.

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        First of all, there is no uniform use of force spectrum with levels etc. It’s just like 10-codes.

        Second, you use the level of force that is appropriate. You do NOT go from the lowest to the highest without skipping steps in most cases. If someone needs to be shot, you do not waste time tasering them.

        That’s not saying that this was a righteous use of force, though. I find that a lot of cops depend too much on their bat belt instead of their mouths or hands.

        1. avatar Umm . . . says:

          My familiarity with the Continuum is via the CJCS Standing Rules for the Use of Force. I recognize that that particular Instruction is not binding upon, or even intended for, Georgia police. On the other hand, reference to its terms in various cop shows and the fact that it was quoted back to me (2-3 words away from verbatim!) by the non-veteran instructor in my CCW class lead me to believe that there is a widespread understanding throughout the defensive training community of the common-sense philosophy behind it.

          You are correct in that “You do NOT go from the lowest to the highest without skipping steps in most cases.” It is not intended to be physically sequential, but it IS intended to be logically sequential. You think through the tools in your toolbox and use, as you wrote, the level of force that is appropriate – generally at, or one level above, the force with which you are confronted. The cop was not confronted with ANY force, a fact subsequently reinforced by Arbery’s complete compliance with his verbal commands.

  4. avatar I Haz A Question says:

    What is this? Character assassination to flip the narrative on the current case and make the McMichaels look like heroes? Whatever happened with Arbery three years beforehand has nothing to do with the fact that the McMichaels recently chased down an unarmed man running away from them, and attempted to detain him under threat of death (because that’s exactly what “at gunpoint” means). Those men should have stayed on the line with police and followed Arbery from a distance to guide the cops to him for questioning, instead of blocking his path and drawing guns.

    Going back to a 2017 incident to try to make it relevant to a 2020 case of misdemeanor trespassing is absurd.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      You misspelled felony burglary.

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        Links to support your claim, please. From what I’ve read so far, Arbery was trespassing on private property under construction. I have not read anywhere that he broke anything to breach the perimeter, or stole anything. He was not commanded to leave the property, but left of his own accord.

        https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-person-in-vacant-home-in-ahmaud-arbery-case/77-990e647b-3493-49ab-88ec-3a3d517b19ed

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Under Georgia statute and precedent a dwelling is anything with 4 walls and a roof intended for human habitation. Inhabited or even habitable or not. So he entered a dwelling. 1st Degree burglary does not require actual theft, only intent. Unless he had authority to enter said dwelling, there’s your three elements of 1st degree burglary.

        2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          You misspelled “here’s the link to support my argument”.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          I already cited the statute dozens of times. Guess I’ll have to do so again.

          https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2014/title-16/chapter-7/article-1/section-16-7-1

        4. avatar Anonymous says:

          Sorry Pwrserge.

          Public opinion isn’t going to side with you on that. Guaranteed. Not even here. Your efforts to justify their wrongful shoot isn’t going to happen. Just listen to yourself. If a guy enters an abandoned building, looks around, and then exits and resists what looks like a criminal ambush in the street and he is shot and killed – that’s justifiable? I don’t think so.

          It’s not going to happen.

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          Fortunately, we live a country of laws, and not trial by public opinion. They had reasonable suspicion that a burglary was committed due to the guy’s own shitty decisions.

          I don’t give a shit about the opinions of people who aren’t qualified to make me coffee. Especially not when their opinions fly in the face of black letter law.

        6. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Serge, you should know the material you’re attempting to quote. From the page you linked:

          ****
          GA Code § 16-7-1 (2014)
          (2)(b)
          “A person commits the offense of burglary in the first degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein,…” [emphasis mine]

          ****
          Arbery did not commit theft. He entered and left, which is arguably misdemeanor trespassing, nothing more.

        7. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

          “Fortunately, we live a country of laws, and not trial by public opinion.”

          In the US, public opinion molds the jury pool, and both sides do their damnedest to make it the jury *they* want…

        8. avatar Dude says:

          “Fortunately, we live a country of laws, and not trial by public opinion.”

          …unless you’re talking about impeaching the president.

        9. avatar pwrserge says:

          Lack of intent is a defense in court, not a reason to invalidate arrest. No arrest in US history has been deemed illegal because the arresting officer was not able to demonstrate intent on the spot. If you’ve got case law to the contrary, I would love to see it.

        10. avatar Anonymous says:

          Fortunately, we live a country of laws, and not trial by public opinion.

          The laws are shaped by public opinion. Try and get the criminal ambush squad off with that law and see what happens. They will be punished one way or another. And if you try to defend them with that law – that law will also be destroyed.

          Further you already conceded that we live in a country of public opinion. Didn’t you say – dress like a criminal and you will deal with the consequences?

          They had reasonable suspicion that a burglary was committed due to the guy’s own shitty decisions.

          .

          They had zero justification for presenting themselves as a criminal ambush squad in the street who then killed him when he resisted.

          I don’t give a shit about the opinions of people who aren’t qualified to make me coffee.

          Oh you obviously do. Those people are ready and willing to detain you and try to tase you if they don’t like your attitude while expressing a desire to search your vehicle because they thought you looked suspicious and they perceived you dressed like a criminal and parked in a area that they said “was known for drug related activity. Those opinions you certainly liked.

          Especially not when their opinions fly in the face of black letter law.

          Good luck with that. Try to use that law to protect them. Not only will they not be protected, that law will be destroyed.

        11. avatar pwrserge says:

          So you don’t give a shit about the actual law? Got it.

          It’s interesting that you simultaneously decry living in a police state and then decry citizens intervening to stop obvious crimes. Guess you want to live in a criminal state then. Got it.

          I for one, prefer not to live in Bartertown.

        12. avatar Icabod says:

          I’ve seen brief out takes from the motion sensitive camera inside the house. There appear to have been a number of other people that “trespassed” the property.
          Do those that say Arbery should be arrested, shouldn’t the police be hunting down these other criminals?

        13. avatar Anonymous says:

          So you don’t give a shit about the actual law? Got it.

          If visiting a construction site to glance around and then leave empty handed = felony with justified authorization for random people to shoot you dead, then no. I don’t care much about that law. You got it. Congratulations.

        14. avatar LarryinTX says:

          I need the link to where you located evidence of his intent, since that seems to be your ENTIRE argument. I have seen several videos, now, and have not observed his intent in any of them.
          The police do not need to be notified about the other trespassers, just turn the McMichaels loose to hunt them down and murder them. Or do you have some special information concerning their intent?

        15. avatar pwrserge says:

          An arrest does not require evidence of intent. Merely reasonable and probable suspicion.

        16. avatar LarryinTX says:

          If they had any suspicion, rather than just the desire to kill an uppity black man, that suspicion was certainly neither reasonable nor probable. I did not observe any suspicion, and my understanding is that they did not mention any, either to the 911 service or to the responding cops. So, do you also have a secret suspicion detector, in addition to your magical intent locator? They’re going to hang.

        17. avatar pwrserge says:

          If they had a desire to “kill an uppity black man”, said “uppity black man” would have been dead long before the tape started. If they were a lynch mob, as you claim, they were the most peaceful lynch mob in human history.

        18. avatar anonymous says:

          An arrest does not require evidence of intent. Merely reasonable and probable suspicion.

          reasonable and probable suspicion of what? You don’t perform a citizens arrest for misdemeanors, such as jay-walking, 5 minute construction site trespass, or a guy that rolled through a stop on a right turn. Everything you are suggesting is unreasonable.

        19. avatar anonymous says:

          An arrest does not require evidence of intent. Merely reasonable and probable suspicion.

          Pwrserge. I noticed you have a parts kit to a machine gun. I have reasonable and probable suspicion you are going to make a machine gun. You’re intent doesn’t matter! I have reasonable and probable suspicion to arrest you. Watch me pull a gun on you and say “We need to talk to you.” If you get confused that the my threatening stop was about something else and resist, we shoot you dead, and chit chat while you collapse and bleed out on the road. Oh you don’t like that??? Black letter law Pwrserge! Poor choices! Retardation. You should have done what I said when I approached you gun in hand.

          LOL

        20. avatar anonymous says:

          If they were a lynch mob, as you claim, they were the most peaceful lynch mob in human history.

          LOLOLOL! Yeah super peaceful!

          You must be trolling. There is simply no way you are this disconnected from reality.

        21. avatar pwrserge says:

          Non-sequiturs piled on top of straw men… Classy.

          Do I need to even explain why your “argument” is utter nonsense or are you still not done with that pile of meth?

        22. avatar Hannibal says:

          Utter bullshit. This is not a felony ANY day of the week.

          Unless you’re a racist. Then suddenly a misdemeanor trespass somehow becomes a felony.

        23. avatar pwrserge says:

          It is in Georgia.

      2. avatar Chief Censor says:

        A black man jogging through a white neighborhood is not reasonable suspicion.

        Remember it’s likely only Diego saw Arbery in the house. Greg was outside and ran inside to get his son and guns when he saw Arbery run past his house.

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Wait…Chief just wrote something I agree with. Let me note this event in my ledger…

          (May 19, 2020 – 11:16am PT)

        2. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @I Haz A Question

          Sometimes my truth is your truth. Facts are facts.

        3. avatar Wake me up when it's over Joe says:

          TRUTH over FACTS!!

    2. avatar frank speak says:

      yeah, would agree…always a bad idea to play vigilante when you haven’t seen an actual crime committed…even then, it’s iffy….things have changed in the south

      1. avatar SoCalJack says:

        True. Culture is one thing. But the father, son and now daughter don’t seem like the sharpest tools in the shed.

    3. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

      “What is this? Character assassination to flip the narrative on the current case and make the McMichaels look like heroes?”

      This kinda puzzles me as well. ‘The Guardian’ is a hard-left Brit paper and this doesn’t make any sense for them to do this. WTF?

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Think for a second, if THIS is what they publish, what sort of exculpatory evidence are they sitting on and NOT publishing?

        1. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

          That’s just it – I’d expect them to attempt to portray him as Mr. Innocent, instead of Mr. Thug.

          Compare this to how the Trayvon narrative was woven by the Leftists, pictures of him smiling at age 12 looking like an innocent choir boy. Not *this*…

        2. avatar Hannibal says:

          A guy getting tasered by police for having weed in his car three years ago… exculpatory for murdering him now? lol.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          Shows a pattern of absurdly aggressive behavior when lawfully confronted.

      2. avatar Dude says:

        Views / clicks. Business. There’s plenty of interest in this case.

      3. avatar Manse Jolly says:

        The question to ask is ‘where did they get the video?’ Was it a FOIA request and who requested it and through whom? I’m not convinced foreign newspapers can do FOIA but could be wrong. How much money changed hands ect

        The whom is very important when it comes to ‘Public Lawfare’ . Lawfare being a play on warfare.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          OOoo. Damn good question! This is a bodycam, right? Where the hell did a Brit newspaper get Georgia cop bodycam footage?

      4. avatar Chief Censor says:

        Notice how Democrats support the lock down of America? Why are they so excited when Trump and the governors take away Americans’ freedom? Where is Antifa and their masks?

        I noticed, over many police shootings, the media likes to protect the police. The media likes to protect the establishment/government. Their main goal is to divide the people so the government can gain power and steal money.

  5. avatar frank speak says:

    confrontation is never a good idea when it can be avoided…especially when it’s not on your own property…let the cops handle it….

  6. avatar Cucamonga Jeff says:

    Despite all this, those guys still murdered him, manslaughter at least. I’ve never seen a burglar without a backpack or a car or even a fanny pack for that matter.

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      not everybody is cowed by the sight of a weapon…this guy sure wasn’t…and when that happens it ups the ante considerably….

    2. avatar frank speak says:

      defense will probably be that he tried to seize his weapon….still a bit lame…..

      1. avatar Dude says:

        Apparently forensics said the first shot was delivered to his hand as a result of grabbing the shotgun.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          Interesting, do we think he grabbed the shotgun by the end of the muzzle? That doesn’t sound reasonable.
          It’s more likely he grabbed it by the barrel and/or stock.

        2. avatar Dude says:

          “Interesting, do WE think”
          Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I’m not thinking anything since the video was obscured by the truck. I’ll defer to the forensics report that used science to piece together what happened. Aren’t you a card carrying member of the Party of Science? I assume the D.A. read the forensics report.

          I’m not invested in any particular outcome here. I’m only interested in Truth, Justice, and the American Way. I totally just made that up BTW. You’re welcome to use it if you want.

          Here’s a link to the letter where he describes what happened:

          https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6916-george-barnhill-letter-to-glyn/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          DA Barnhill it’s not a credible source. He committed prosecutorial misconduct by not disclosing his conflict of interest, his son worked in the prosecutors office with McMichaels.

          He also stated in his letter that McMichaels had first-hand immediate knowledge that a crime has been committed, a false statement in an official document.

          If he goes quietly, they’ll let the DA resign without charges is my guess.

          These prosecutors also allowed McMichaels to continue to carry a gun, serve subpoenas and arrest warrants and participate in field operations, all while McMichaels had lost his certification to do so in 2006.

          Isn’t that what some would call ‘a continuing criminal enterprise’?

        4. avatar Dude says:

          You’re attacking the validity of the forensics report by attacking the messenger without ever seeing said report. If anyone altered the actual findings in order to fit some narrative, heads will roll. There’s too much scrutiny in this case. I’m not saying he’s right or wrong, but he stated the first shot was to the hand, and was a result of this guy grabbing the shotgun. I’d prefer to see the source document before making a judgement. I’m agnostic outside of discovering the facts.

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          “You’re attacking the validity of the forensics report by attacking the messenger without ever seeing said report.”

          No, I am questioning the credibility and integrity of DA Barnhill, who claimed in his report that the McMichaels had immediate first hand knowledge of a crime that has been committed.

          He also willfully concealed a conflict of interest, his son worked in the prosecutors office with McMichaels, that is a lie of omission and qualifies as prosecutorial misconduct.

          Frankly, I think we have no reason to believe his characterization of the forensic report is accurate, given his deception and falsehoods in the rest of the document.

          I agree, there should be much scrutiny of everyone’s actions in this situation. And it’s already started, I believe I’ve read the police chief and several police officers have been arrested in an ongoing corruption probe so they’re probably ready to cut a deal and tell the truth about McMichaels and maybe other crimes committed by the law enforcement in the county and metro.

        6. avatar Dude says:

          Me: “You’re attacking the validity of the report by attacking him.”

          You: “No, I am questioning his credibility and integrity”

      2. avatar Hannibal says:

        Assuredly that will be the defense. However, you do not get to attempt an armed kidnapping and then complain that you had to shoot the victim because they fought back.

        Someone is thinking about commenting “yeah but if they were cops you would say he should have complied.”

        Yes. Being arrested by the police is part of established due process. And while there are outliers- some would point to Freddie Grey, for example- the vast, vast majority of people who are arrested by police (even black men!) see a court room. That’s why arrests should be made by uniformed police with marked cars. It’s a hell of a lot different than being ridden down in a pickup truck operated by two random fatsos with guns. The decedent had every reason to think he was being lynched. And he was.

        Should have been a defensive gun use.

    3. avatar Someone says:

      Hey, call off the trial. No need to hear any facts and prove the guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Jeff already decided they are guilty of murder. Or manslaughter at least. Or something.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        And Serge is certain his intent was for them to kill him, no way they’re guilty of anything. I think you’ve found the obvious answer, cancel the trial and hang them.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          “you do not get to attempt an armed kidnapping and then complain that you had to shoot the victim because they fought back.”

  7. avatar Anonymous says:

    When Arbery questions why the cops are bothering him he’s told that the area is known for drugs.

    Area known for drugs ≠ probable cause.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      An investigative stop does not require probable cause. Try again.

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        “Reasonable suspicion” was established via Terry v. Ohio (1968). Reasonable suspicion for traffic stops requires that the officer have articulable facts that criminal activity is present or about to occur. When the cops in the video above state that the area is known for drugs, that’s not sufficient reasonable suspicion. Otherwise, it could be used to stop anyone and everyone in that area.

        https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/reasonable-suspicion-to-stop-a-vehicle-34329

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Sitting in a parked car in an area known for drugs? Seems like reasonable suspicion to me.

        2. avatar Anonymous says:

          Sitting in a parked car in an area known for drugs? Seems like reasonable suspicion to me.

          If you like police states, it’s reasonable. Some entire cities are “in an area known for drugs.”

        3. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

          According to one government source, the entire state of NH is “a drug-infested den”.

        4. avatar Miner49er says:

          “Seems like reasonable suspicion to me.”

          Ivan, this isn’t Russia, we follow the legal theory of innocent until proven guilty, protected by our bill of rights.

          Sure it seems reasonable to you, you have an irrational fear of people who don’t look like you.

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          Lol… no arrest in the history of ever has required proof beyond a reasonable doubt. KungPowTroll is illiterate as well as plain old retarded.

      2. avatar Anonymous says:

        They wanted to search his vehicle. Try again.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          They did not, in fact, search his vehicle. Strike 2.

        2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Oh that’s right. The cops made sure to clarify that they considered it a “check”, not a “search”.

          [/sarc]

        3. avatar Anonymous says:

          They did not, in fact, search his vehicle. Strike 2.

          I didn’t say they searched his vehicle. I said they wanted to search his vehicle. They also wanted to tase him, despite he was following their instructions.

      3. avatar Hannibal says:

        “Sitting in a parked car in an area known for drugs? Seems like reasonable suspicion to me.”

        It’s not.

        That said, the police are not required to tell someone why they suspect that person of criminal activity at the time of incident. It could be that someone tipped them off or some other evidence that they did not want to reveal on the side of the road.

    2. avatar CWT says:

      Vehicle registered to person with suspended license parked in known drug location + said individual present at the scene= reasonable suspicion.

      1. avatar Chief Censor says:

        The entire neighborhood is a “known drug location.” That is straight nonsense.

        Why would they allow kids to play at the park if it’s full of drug dealers and drug users?

        Stop and frisk is unconstitutional.

      2. avatar Hannibal says:

        I hope you are not a police officer because that is exactly the kind of cop that makes shit caselaw for all the rest because the courts feel the need to step in and take away more discretion. This is how you get decisions like what happened in NYC with s&f.

  8. avatar Peter Gunn says:

    That video shows poor judgement and stupidity… on both sides.

    1. avatar Dude says:

      The taser fail was comical.

      1. avatar Chief Censor says:

        It would have been a very funny Dave Chappelle bit if it wasn’t modern real life America.

  9. avatar former water walker says:

    And this has nada to do with homie being ambushed by 2 rednecks. Zip. Bupkis. I never ever said I “thought” Arbery was an upstanding citizen…as an aside my son is going back to work at his restaurant job today.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Good for your son, but a lawful citizens arrest is not an “ambush”.

      1. avatar Rick says:

        My wife and I have walked around homes under construction with no intent other than curiosity, and had we been confronted by two armed men upon exiting I would have assumed armed assault and done my best to shoot them first. Their actions were unjustified.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Well, you and your wife are idiots. Because you just demonstrably met 2 out of 3 elements of felony burglary in Georgia. I wonder how I managed to live my entire life without doing something stupid like walking into other people’s property without permission. Your own shitty compliance with common sense is not an argument.

        2. avatar Anonymous says:

          Well, you and your wife are idiots. Because you just demonstrably met 2 out of 3 elements of felony burglary in Georgia. I wonder how I managed to live my entire life without doing something stupid like walking into other people’s property without permission. Your own shitty compliance with common sense is not an argument.

          The vast majority see it as unjustified. You are virtually alone here, and you have not provided reasonable arguments to persuade us otherwise. Good luck with calling everyone idiots. That’s really going to change hearts and minds.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          I don’t give a shit about “hearts and minds” the law is the law. If you want to change the law, the place to do that is the legislature, not a bullshit criminal trial based on racism. The prosecuting DA doesn’t have a leg to stand on and even the left wing press (but I repeat myself) are starting to wise up to the fact that they picked a loser of a case.

        4. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Serge,

          “Well, you and your wife are idiots. Because you just demonstrably met 2 out of 3 elements of felony burglary in Georgia.”

          Ignoring the likelihood, of course, that Rick and his wife live in any of the 49 other states that aren’t Georgia, and therefore irrelevant to the statute you keep referencing.

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          Walking onto property that doesn’t belong to you without permission is idiotic regardless of the law.

        6. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Serge, many of us in the flyover states regularly bitch about refugees from liberal slums moving to our nice areas and promptly beginning to transform them into liberal slums. You seem to be far worse, moving from a totalitarian police state shithole, and promptly attempting to transform your welcoming new home into a totalitarian police state shithole.

        7. avatar doesky2 says:

          I’ve walked into houses under construction that have had guest books and business cards in the foyer.
          Just reality.

      2. avatar Anonymous says:

        It was not a lawful citizens arrest. They had firearms “in hand” while stating “we want to talk to you.”

        Imagine you are in a black neighborhood and some gangster looking thugs want to perform a “citizens arrest” on you because they perceived you as breaking the “black letter of the law”. Would you want them to jump out of their Chrysler with gold teeth and gold chains with guns in hand saying “we want to talk to you.” If not, then you should not be supporting this stop.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Legally irrelevant. Paranoid delusions of imaginary persecutions do not change black letter law. Open carry is legal in Georgia. Deal with it.

        2. avatar Anonymous says:

          Open carry is NOT carrying guns in hand.

          And they were not “paranoid delusions.” They were equal application of rights and law.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          In Georgia, there is no restriction about open carrying your weapons. Try harder. The only question of fact for a jury is if there was reasonable suspicion that a crime had taken place. That’s it.

        4. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Serge,

          “Open carry is legal in Georgia.”

          All jurisdictions – Georgia or otherwise – make clear legal distinctions between “bear” and “brandish”. If you’re openly carrying a holstered handgun on your hip and your hand never touches it, it’s “bearing”. If you’re aggressively approaching someone with a long gun in your hands (a la McMichaels style), no jury in the world will opine that it isn’t “brandishing”.

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          Please cite this magical “brandishing” statute in Georgia… I’ll wait.

        6. avatar Anonymous says:

          In Georgia, there is no restriction about open carrying your weapons. Try harder.

          LOL.

          Go to Georgia. Walk around everywhere while causally carrying a gun in hand. Good luck! Lol.

        7. avatar Anonymous says:

          Please cite this magical “brandishing” statute in Georgia… I’ll wait.

          Normally I would jump right on looking this up. By why bother? A waste of time in this case.

          You know PS, sometimes I feel you just want to argue no matter how ridiculous the stance you are taking. And this feels like one of those moments.

        8. avatar pwrserge says:

          Same challenge. Cite the law I would be breaking. Georgia doesn’t have a “brandishing” statute.

        9. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Serge,

          Here you are, girlfriend.

          O.C.G.A. § 16-11-102
          “A person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he intentionally and without legal justification points or aims a gun or pistol at another, whether the gun or pistol is loaded or unloaded.”

        10. avatar pwrserge says:

          Pretty sure somebody charging at you is a justification. Also, that’s not the brandishing statute. A misdemeanor, however, does not add up to felony murder… Keep trying, you’ll get it right.

          As I said, carrying a gun at low ready is not a crime in Georgia.

        11. avatar Hannibal says:

          They claim they “wanted to talk to him”- LIES. They conducted an armed interception of someone.

          They said that because they know they fucked up and maybe realized that there’s no such thing as a ‘citizen’s investigative detention.’ Now they’re trying to claim a similarly bullshit citizen’s arrest because it’s their only chance to escape the murder charge.

          And if there’s a pwrserge on the jury, maybe they will. Then let the feds come get them.

        12. avatar pwrserge says:

          The feds don’t have a case and jeopardy has already attached.

      3. avatar former water walker says:

        You devovled into a racist Russian troll. Not feeding your diatrible…

      4. avatar Anonymous says:

        Good for your son, but a lawful citizens arrest is not an “ambush”.

        No it’s not. But it looks like one. And that’s the problem. That’s also part of the reason why it’s discouraged. And if you feel that you have done nothing wrong and don’t know the ambushers intent, then it definitely looks like an ambush.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Except for the part where they shout at you to stop and tell you the police have been called.

        2. avatar Anonymous says:

          Except for the part where they shout at you to stop and tell you the police have been called.

          I read they admitted to telling him to stop. I don’t recall any statements of them saying they called the police to Arbery. It definitely wasn’t on the video.

          And if they did indeed call the police, why not just tail him while providing location updates to the cops? Why not wait for the police? It’s not like he was raping someone or stabbing someone (in other words an emergency). And if they “called the police” why did they also “want to talk to him.”

          Further, a misdemeanor trespass does not justify “arrest.”

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          It was felony burglary. Try again.

          … and we have the tape of the 911 call they were on when the shots were fired.

        4. avatar anonymous says:

          It was felony burglary. Try again.

          Without intent, which you can’t prove, it’s misdemeanor trespass.

          It is even debatable that it is misdemeanor burglary at all, as the “dwelling” is not complete.

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          I don’t need to prove intent to make the charge and execute an arrest. Merely to convict. Try harder libertardian troll, try MUCH harder.

        6. avatar Miner49er says:

          “I don’t need to prove intent to make the charge and execute an arrest.”

          There was no evidence of intent present, no burglary tools, no backpack, no get away vehicles. In fact, the man did not steal anything, we have direct video evidence he did not steal anything.

          Besides, the McMichaels had not seen the tape, they had zero evidence of intent to commit burglary. All they had was a black man running, which of course, they thought justified an armed kidnapping attempt.

          A Terry stop requires articulable reasons, not suspicion.

        7. avatar pwrserge says:

          Unprovoked flight is sufficient to justify a Terry stop. Black letter precedent. Sorry Chi-com KungPowTroll.

  10. avatar Dude says:

    He had a job. He said he was off one day per week. So why do they keep referring to him as a former football player? How long ago did he play football? I played baseball when I was a kid, but no one would ever refer to me as a former baseball player.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      I have wondered about that, myself. He was 25, played football in high school, that’s a long time ago and pretty meaningless, yet I had to hear about him “playing football” in every report. References to paying jobs he had held would be far more enlightening.

      1. avatar Chief Censor says:

        Maybe because it makes the jogging story more probable? He loved to run and play sports. He kept running even after high school.

  11. avatar dph says:

    Dear Mr. Powerserge, I’m guessing from your line of reasoning that if a woman wears make-up or provocative clothing, rape is OK too. These people who don’t agree with your political leanings or dress they way you deem fit must be eradicated. Got it. For a guy who claims to hate commies and dictators you sure seem to like their methods.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Yeah… I’m sure you’d have no problems with some guy walking down the street with what looks like a suicide vest strapped to his chest cosplaying as our favorite middle eastern ninjas…

      It’s the same reason I don’t own an Adidas track suit.

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        (pwrserge compares cosmetic facial makeup to suicide vests, completely loses touch with reality…)

        1. avatar Anonymous says:

          He’s all fired up and in an arguing mood today. It doesn’t matter how ridiculous his position is – he’s going to argue it.

        2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Well, I hafta admit that he’s playing the good troll today.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          Actually, I believe he thinks a woman wearing a short skirt and make up is worse than a suicide bomber.

          Earlier in this thread, he posted “Islam is right about women” so I think his priorities are clear.

          A psychiatrist would say that he has sublimated his sexual frustrations into thoughts of violence. This is a trait that was also identified in the Islamic suicide bombers of 9/11, it’s a feature of an archaic, repressive, patriarchal religion.

        4. avatar Ron says:

          MINER YOU RACIST HOW DARE YOU SAY MUSLIMS OPPRESS WOMEN 😱

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          Please don’t be upset, but the facts do indicate that, like most Abrahamic religions, the Muslim faith oppresses women’s rights.

          And today, the fundamentalist Muslim extremists represent a clear and present danger to world civilizations.

          But it’s not just the Muslims that have caused harm to our societies.

          In the 1930s, the Catholic Church, because of their alliance and collaboration with the Nazis and other fascist regimes, represented the greatest religious danger to people of the world.

        6. avatar Hannibal says:

          He’s just the racist that the media thinks all gun owners are.

  12. avatar Hugh Glass says:

    The McMichaels aren’t the hill I wanna die on.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      The NRA left the building a long ass time ago. They usually defend the police and their members.

  13. avatar Tt78 says:

    Here’s a video of Arbery being arrested for stealing a TV from Walmart. Shame on all of the authors and commentators on this site that threw the McMichaels under the bus b/c they disagreed with their pursuing a known felon that had been terrorizing their neighborhood for months.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx-Rv6bvbT8

    And a video that explains why the prosecution has no case at all:

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      You are over a week out of date. We already knew he tried to steal a TV years ago and had taken a gun to a gun free zone 6 years ago.

      You do know cops don’t need to know the law, right? You know they have a privilege called “qualified immunity.” You have to learn the law because the court said ignorance is not a defense.

      Too bad for the lynch mob, they did not have police powers to gain that qualified immunity. Saying “I was in fear for my life” will not work especially when there is video of you chasing and pointing a gun before you were attacked.

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Funny, how in this “terrorized” neighborhood, we haven’t come across anybody claiming something was stolen. We do have a report someone was killed, though.

  14. avatar BusyBeef says:

    Just sprinkle some crack on him, Johnson.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Travis should have tossed a gun on him and deleted Roddy’s videos. Too bad his papa’s 911 call got the police there sooner making it hard to cover up the crimes. Too bad his papa “leaked” the video to the media. Too bad his papa got his own set of lawyers to make his own narrative.

      People need to choose their fathers better.

    2. avatar strych9 says:

      Excellent Chapelle reference.

  15. avatar Rick says:

    Whatever he may have been guilty of previously is irrelevant to what happened when he was shot. There was nothing happening that warranted anything more than a call to the police.

    1. avatar Dude says:

      The only relevance I see is a history of aggressive interaction. In a case that could hinge on who attacked who first, that could possibly come into play.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        “who attacked who first”

        Yes, that’s the question, just who attacked who first?

        Hmmm, was it the guy jogging down the street in shorts and a T-shirt or…

        The two guys In a vehicle with weapons, chasing down the jogger and shouting at him while holding the weapons?

        Gee, that’s a tough one!

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          (closes eyes, smacks self in head with palms to rattle brain)

          I think I woke up this morning in the Upside Down. Chief and Miner are making sense today with all their comments in this article’s page. It’s as if they’re completely different people today.

          Hmmm…

      2. avatar Dude says:

        Haz, that’s only because you’re placing more value on emotion than evidence. I don’t have x-ray vision, so I can’t see through the truck like you and Miner can. Somewhere there is a forensics report that recreated what happened. At no point did I say they were right, and at no point have I ever said those guys should be innocent of all charges. I’m merely able to play devil’s advocate and rationally look at the available evidence. Look at the comment you’re replying to. “It COULD come into play because…” Which party started the actual physical fight seems to be a point of contention among people that know more about the case than we do. By the way, a person’s character might help explain a motive for a particular action. This works both ways, and sometimes it’s presented at trial. Nope, can’t have that sort of conversation in these parts. It’s only guilty, end of discussion.

      3. avatar Dude says:

        Haz, now that I look at it, you should also reread Miner’s comment. He presented precisely zero evidence of anything. He did, however, set the stage for an emotional reaction. Take all emotion, and while you’re at it, race, out of the equation. The characters are different in your mind as well. There is no prejudice as you view the scene. Does it make a big difference what someone is wearing? Is it even possible for an unarmed person to be the aggressor against an armed person? Would it make more sense if the unarmed person had a history of being aggressive?

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          What are you talking about?

        2. avatar Dude says:

          Miner49er says:
          May 19, 2020 at 16:23

          “who attacked who first”

          Yes, that’s the question, just who attacked who first?

          Hmmm, was it the guy jogging down the street in shorts and a T-shirt or…

          The two guys In a vehicle with weapons, chasing down the jogger and shouting at him while holding the weapons?

          Gee, that’s a tough one!

          Haz: Agree

          The short version:
          Miner:
          The answer is obvious because he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt and “jogging”
          The answer is obvious because it’s impossible for unarmed people to attack armed people.

          Haz: Agree with Miner.

          *And typical of Miner, that wasn’t even the conversation being had.

        3. avatar Dude says:

          “Whatever he may have been guilty of previously is irrelevant…”

          This was the original conversation.

  16. avatar Ark says:

    I don’t really see how this relevant to the question of whether the shooting was legal or not.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      It’s not. But most of the mouth breathing boomers here don’t like the fact that in Georgia, you only need reasonable and probable suspicion of a felony to pursue and arrest someone fleeing said felony.

      1. avatar Anonymous says:

        you only need reasonable and probable suspicion of a felony to pursue and arrest someone fleeing said felony.

        Was he arrested? I don’t remember hearing about him being arrested during his jog.

        Did they witness the felony? I don’t remember them witnessing any felony. Further in Georgia:

        Burglary in the first degree in Georgia is the crime of entering into or remaining in an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant dwelling of another with the intent of committing another felony crime or a theft once inside.

        Is it really felony burglary? Is a construction site a “dwelling?” Is walking into another’s property burglary? Even if it was an actual dwelling and vacant – did he have intent to comity another felony inside? I think these would be very difficult to prove in court.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          You don’t need to prove jack in court. Court requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. An arrest requires reasonable and probable suspicion under Georgia law.

          Yes, that building was a dwelling. Black letter law.
          He entered it without authority.
          Intent can be reasonably inferred when he fled after being confronted by a neighbor.

          You have no idea what you’re talking about.

        2. avatar Anonymous says:

          He’s not a felon if he didn’t have intent to commit another crime inside the “dwelling” as you have called it. Therefore he is not a felon. Therefore the criminal ambush squad can’t kill him during their unlawful arrest.

          “Reasonable suspicion” isn’t good enough for his intent. Regardless of your assertion, people are innocent until proven guilty in court. Good luck proving his “intent” in the dwelling. No intent = no lawful arrest. No lawful arrest = “citizens arrest” changes into murder squad. That is how it will be portrayed, which is accurate, and public opinion will make it happen.

          Intent can be reasonably inferred when he fled after being confronted by a neighbor.

          Disagree. He may have known that he should not have been in what you call the “dwelling.” But him allegedly running does not suggest he intended to commit additional crimes inside what you call “the dwelling.”

          You should be cautious about what can be “inferred” in court, lest those same rules be applied to you.

          You have no idea what you’re talking about.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          He was a convicted felon LONG before the incident in question.

        4. avatar Anonymous says:

          He was a convicted felon LONG before the incident in question.

          Convicted of what? Supply source.

          If he was convicted before and served his time, does that justify his death today by a perceived criminal ambush squad?

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          Oh, please, if they intended to do what you claim, he’d have been assuming room temperature before the video started and you know it. They had him dead to rights and he decided to let fisticuffs settle things rather than waiting for the cops. His choice. He chose… poorly.

        6. avatar Anonymous says:

          Oh, please, if they intended to do what you claim, he’d have been assuming room temperature before the video started and you know it. They had him dead to rights and he decided to let fisticuffs settle things rather than waiting for the cops. His choice. He chose… poorly.

          So I asked what he was convicted of and you gave some other answer to a different question. What I got out of that was he wasn’t convicted.

        7. avatar pwrserge says:

          You asked two questions retard. The first was too stupid to reply to given that we know of this particular scumbag’s previous felony conviction.

        8. avatar Anonymous says:

          You asked two questions retard…

          Let’s try again. Convicted of what?

          And A prior conviction does NOT justify his death today by a perceived criminal ambush squad that is trying to make a citizens arrest for a misdemeanor trespass on a construction site.

        9. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Serge,

          As I’ve stated before in another comment, I’m not familiar with GA law, but here in CA an owner of a property or building must clearly and conspicuously post “No Trespassing” signs to declare the owner’s prohibition of trespass by unwanted visitors. If no signs are posted, it’s really difficult to successfully press charges against someone if no other additional crimes (e.g., vandalism, theft) were committed.

          Were there any signs or notices posted anywhere on the building Arbery entered (and then allegedly exited without any additional activity)?

        10. avatar pwrserge says:

          Georgia law does not require any such notice. Merely entering a building without authority with the intent to commit theft is either first or second degree felony burglary.

        11. avatar anonymous says:

          Georgia law does not require any such notice. Merely entering a building without authority with the intent to commit theft is either first or second degree felony burglary.

          “With intent to commit theft” is intent you don’t have. He left empty handed. That means misdemeanor. And you don’t arrest people for misdemeanors.

        12. avatar pwrserge says:

          I can reasonably infer criminal intent from flight. That’s black letter supreme court precedent. Wrong again Libertadian.

        13. avatar Hannibal says:

          Still waiting to see the felony conviction claimed

        14. avatar pwrserge says:

          Still waiting for you do do your own fucking research about the basic facts of this case.

      2. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Are you talking about the law in the “Georgia” which was part of the Soviet bloc?

  17. avatar MB says:

    Let s not pre judge any of the actions by any individuals in the death of Mr. Arbery. Let justice be served.

    On December 1, 2017 Ahmaud Arbery and three associates were by store personnel as they attempted to push a 65” Vizio television out of a Walmart. They were unable to produce a receipt and the store employees would not let them take the TV out of the store.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Odd… When he was actually helping steal he followed orders when lawfully being under citizen’s arrest. He didn’t attack the employees. He didn’t run away for 4 minutes then try to disarm the person chasing him. You would think in front of his homies he would act all tough. Why does he act all tough when he is by himself?

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Georgia has the toughest “three strikes” law in the nation. The felon knew he was going away for a good long while.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          So he stole the other many times he was in the house before? Every time he went there he took something? Or did he only steal on the day he was murdered by Travis?

          I guess the owner is a liar. I guess the police and McMichaels will have evidence to show Arbery stole, it’s only been about 3 months of waiting to see that evidence.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Still can’t read. Actual theft is not required to convict him of felony burglary.

        3. avatar LarryinTX says:

          According to you, the only evidence required to kill him is the fact that he is black. And you have to prove your bullshit to a JURY before you can convict him. As someone will be proving to a jury that his killers should reside in prison for the rest of their lives, regardless of your silly interpretation.

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          When did I say that? Now you’re just pulling shit out of your ass… (well more so) because you can’t refute a basic legal argument.

          No wonder you boomers keep getting your asses handed to you by the gun grabbers. You couldn’t formulate a logical argument if your lives depended on it.

        5. avatar Chief Censor says:

          I just proved that his intent was not to steal.

          Someone doesn’t walk by a plate of cookies 10 times and doesn’t eat any of them, only to be blamed for eating a cookie, although videos show he never did so. But wait… he is a “thug,” thus he is a criminal since he was born into this white man’s nation.

          Off with his head! Lynch him, boys!

        6. avatar anonymous says:

          The felon knew he was going away for a good long while.

          Please show us where he was a prior felon. The McMichaels don’t “convict anyone.” So… doubtful on the felon part.

        7. avatar anonymous says:

          Still can’t read. Actual theft is not required to convict him of felony burglary.

          Innocent until proven guilty. So, actual intent must be demonstrated, or it’s not felony burglary.

          Kind of like if you have a machine gun parts kit. A machine gun the kit is not. Intent, is the missing ingredient to make it a machine gun conviction by constructive intent.

          This guy entered a constructive site and browsed around for a moment and left with nothing. Nothing. How can you prove the intent? It would be a grave mistake for everyone, to assume the worst intentions of people, because that also assumes guilt before innocence. If it is done for a guy you don’t like, like this guy, why should it also not be done to YOU, pwrserge, the owner of a machine gun parts kit, whom other people don’t like.

        8. avatar pwrserge says:

          Um… both the prior firearms and theft charges are felonies as I guarantee you that the sticker price in that TV is over $500.

        9. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

          Does this 3-strikes law count charges, or convictions. Feel free to link to the prior felony convictions that you’re claiming here.

  18. avatar obidon says:

    “Mouth breathing boomers” – neither inspired, original, nor especially poetic.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      But factually correct, the best kind of correct.

      1. avatar Anonymous says:

        You are probably older than us. Good luck with the “boomer” thing. It’s definitely going to get you the future you desire.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          It will get me all commies and their enablers lined up against a wall and shot while I sit back with a bucket of popcorn? Sign me the hell up.

        2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          I’m definitely younger than Serge, and not of the “boomer” generation, so not quite sure why/how he’s referring to me as one.

          Oh well. This has been funny playing verbal tennis with ‘ol Sergie today, but it’s lunchtime now and I have lawns outside that need to be mowed, so you guys can all have him now.

  19. avatar Irrenarzt says:

    This just shows he has a history of being harassed by current and former law enforcement. After watching the video, I see nothing more than a man that should have been left alone, and police being obnoxious pricks.

    There was no justification to murder Ahmaud Arbery, just as there was no justification for him to be bothered in this video.

  20. avatar DJ says:

    Out for a jog, eh?

    Self defense. Not guilty.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Trump 2024.

  21. avatar Wtf?! says:

    Videos came out of other strangers going into the house construction site and not being chased after with guns…

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      So? By your logic if any shoplifter doesn’t get caught that means you can’t chase any you DO catch

      1. avatar Wtf?! says:

        Apples and oranges…from my understanding none of the people going into the construction site were shoplifting…or shot for shoplifting…oh, wait…

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Yeah… let’s keep ignoring the fact that the convicted felon in question was shot because he was retarded enough to try and grab a gun.

        2. avatar Wtf?! says:

          Fight or flight…much…

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          Yeah… More like criminal retardation. Fist does not beat shotgun.

        4. avatar Anonymous says:

          Yeah… let’s keep ignoring the fact that the convicted felon in question was shot because he was retarded enough to try and grab a gun.

          They stopped in the road and with guns “in hand” they said “we want to talk to you.” He interpreted it as a threat – which is reasonable.

          Where was he convicted as a felon? Certainly not for him eyeballing inside the construction site.

          He tried to grab the gun from McMichael Jr. because he perceived grievous bodily injury or death – and that is reasonable. I don’t think it was the McMichaels intent to kill him, but their unjustified actions led to his death.

        5. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Serge,

          “…retardation. Fist does not beat shotgun.”

          You use whatever you have available to you. You’re really not faring too well in today’s rants, are you?

        6. avatar pwrserge says:

          Yes… let’s ignore the scumbag’s previous convictions… This retard was a DGU waiting to happen.

        7. avatar anonymous says:

          Yes… let’s ignore the scumbag’s previous convictions… This retard was a DGU waiting to happen.

          What previous convictions?

          And the McMichaels were a murder or manslaughter charge, or a DGU on the McMichaels, waiting to happen.

        8. avatar pwrserge says:

          Felony firearms possession and felony theft for the TV. Did you even do any research on this case or did you just want an excuse to lynch a couple of “crackers”?

      2. avatar Chief Censor says:

        Wasn’t the two videos of the two white kids and the two white adults from the same day Arbery was killed? Didn’t Larry give access to Diego Perez to the motion detecting cameras? Wasn’t it Diego that called the cops on Arbery as he stood across the street?

  22. avatar Kung Flu Fighting says:

    The video of Arbery almost getting tased shows me these cops had piss poor training, zero verbal judo skills, and know less about use of force. I get it, investigating suspicious activity, could have said that right up front after he asks his name and shares his as well, you know the rapport building thing. Start off with a few innocuous questions, etc…this is how simple events turn ugly regardless of whether you think the guy is doing something wrong or not. The statistics bear out what I’m saying, thats why verbal judo was brought about.

    I didnt know a LEO’s job was to make sure things are cool. Now he is trying to walk back that he took things a little too far, and trying to deescalate, poorly.

    Im not defending Arbery, dress like a thug, act like a thug, have no respect, or patience, acting suspiciously with respect to your car, you should probably expect people, LEOs aren’t going to treat you like the queen of England. Yeah, he was up to something. Could have and should have been handled much better and they may have actually got him on drug charges. Pretty sure the odor of marijuana emanating from the locked and closed car that Arbery admitted to as his is probable cause.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      The reason cops lie about smelling weed is because the supreme court has said that is enough to allow the infringement of the 4th Amendment.

      How is the accused going to argue the cops didn’t smell weed? Who is going to believe Arbery after seeing the body cam? He would have been convicted and sent to prison for life, but he survived this illegal encounter because he knew enough about his human rights.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        I am almost 74 years old, I have not the faintest clue what weed smells like, and I tend to be suspicious of those who claim they do.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          I’m not quite that old, but I have smelled weed and it smells sweet.

          To paraphrase a great American, marijuana is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

          Genesis 1:29
          King James Version
          And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Ah, you’re a brain fried stoner. That explains your tenuous contact with reality.

      2. avatar pwrserge says:

        Well, given that he should have been in prison (state then federal) ’till he hit 40 on his first felony, he shouldn’t be doing dental checks on gift horses.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          His first crime was carrying a gun in a gun free zone. And you think he should serve 40 years in prison for exercising his right to keep and bear arms?

          Just why is it that you don’t think he has the same rights as you when he was arrested for carrying a gun in a gun free zone?

          The only reason he was convicted as a felon is because he was exercising his right to keep and bear arms under the constitution’s Bill of Rights.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          If I got arrested for carrying a gun in a gun free zone, I’d do ten years state time followed by ten years federal time rather than five years of probation. I don’t have that sweet sweet black privilege that lets you get breaks you didn’t earn.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          “If I got arrested for carrying a gun in a gun free zone, I’d do ten years state time followed by ten years federal time”

          Oh that’s too bad, prior convictions?

          I’m not aware of any first time violators that would receive 10 to 20 in the pen for caring a gun into a gun free zone.

          Here at the local airport they catch people all the time with guns in their carry-on, many times they just drop the charges, at the most suspended sentence.

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          No, just a realistic view of the justice system. I don’t have a mob of racist activists to intimidate the judge by threatening to riot.

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          So Arbey, a young black man, was arrested and convicted for carrying a gun in a gun free zone. Would you consider that black privilege?

          For comparison, what would happen to a white man who was arrested for carrying a gun in a gun free zone?

          “The second-ranking Republican in the Michigan House will not face criminal charges for attempting to bring an unregistered, loaded handgun through security at a northern Michigan airport in July.”

          So if you’re a white Republican, you’ll face no criminal charges for carrying a gun into a gun free zone.

          Black, convicted of a felony.

          White, no criminal charges.

          Smells like white privilege…

        6. avatar Miner49er says:

          “Local authorities in South Carolina charged Bias, who this year is seeking his second term in office, with misdemeanor unlawful carrying of a pistol.

          Horry County prosecutors dismissed the charge two months later. Bias then paid a civil fine assessed by the Transportation Security Administration. He estimates the fine exceeded $100.”

          White, state charges dismissed, $100 fine from Feds.

          Black, convicted of a felony and sentenced.

          Smells like white privilege…

        7. avatar Miner49er says:

          “On Tuesday, prosecutors in Loudoun County General District Court agreed with Freitas, dropping both charges: carrying a concealed weapon and carrying a concealed weapon in an airport terminal, against the 34-year-old defense contractor, who served as a U.S. Army Special Forces non-commissioned officer, and a current member of the Culpeper County Republican Committee.”

          White, charges dismissed.

          Black, convicted of a felony and sentenced.

          Smells like white privilege…

        8. avatar Miner49er says:

          “A judge has dismissed a misdemeanor charge a senior White House aide was facing for bringing a handgun to a security checkpoint at Reagan National Airport a year ago.

          Sebastian Gorka, a former Breitbart national security editor who now is a deputy assistant to the president, did not appear at the brief court proceeding Friday morning in Arlington County Circuit Court.”

          White, charges dismissed.

          Black, convicted of a felony and sentenced.

          Smells like white privilege…

        9. avatar pwrserge says:

          Yes… because, clearly, there is nothing else different between the guys you listed and the garden variety gangbanger… Oh… Wait…

        10. avatar Dude says:

          “The second-ranking Republican in the Michigan House”

          “who this year is seeking his second term in office”

          “defense contractor, who served as a U.S. Army Special Forces non-commissioned officer, and a current member of the Culpeper County Republican Committee.”

          “senior White House aide”

          Are you so blinded by racism that you can’t see anything beyond skin color Miner? Is skin color the only characteristic that these cherry picked folks have in common? Any non-racist not looking for bad whitey can see that these are all politically connected people. Do you really believe that there aren’t countless amounts of non-connected white people charged for less that this in this country? Do you really believe that a politically connected black person enjoys less privilege than an average white person?

        11. avatar Miner49er says:

          Yes, you’re right! There is a pattern!

          All the individuals who had charges dismissed for carrying a gun in a gun free zone were white Republican politicians.

          The individual who was charged and convicted of a felony and sentenced was an ordinary black citizen.

          OK, smells like white Republican privilege…

        12. avatar Dude says:

          Wow Miner, your brilliance is absolutely stunning. Coming to conclusions like that with an unbiased sample size of four in a country of over 300 million is impressive. You should write an article based on that data. I’m sure media outlets would pick it up as long as you can make whitey out to be the bad guy (and we all know he is because, well, his skin is a particular color, and that’s what matters). There are plenty of (racist) consumers out there just like you looking for those articles.

  23. avatar Steve says:

    The offenders have become the Defenders, kind of reminds me of a political situation where in, looks like the truth it’s starting to Bubble to the top. Only time will tell

  24. avatar Rick says:

    On a couple of occasions when my wife and were looking at a home under construction, we ran into the owners. We talked, they gave us a tour, and we parted company in a friendly manner; that’s how normal people behave. I will repeat myself, the actions of the two men who confronted Mr. Arbery were not those of reasonable men, regardless of Mr Arbery’s past. And no, we don’t live in Georgia, but I don’t don’t it would have made any difference, decent people live in all kinds of states.

    1. avatar Dan W says:

      Did you Sprint off and then attack the owner when they tried to talk to you? Had thousands of dollars of stuff been stolen previously from the house?
      It’s almost like not acting like someone who needed shooting stoped you from getting shot.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        “Had thousands of dollars of stuff been stolen previously from the house?”

        Why would you lie about something so obvious?

        There were no reports of burglaries in the area for several months and the actual property owner of the construction site in question said there had never been anything stolen, much less “thousands of dollars of stuff“.

        Just what is the root of your need to falsely accuse the black man of stealing ‘thousands of dollars of stuff“?

        Your sad attempt at building a strawman false equivalence just betrays your prejudice.

      2. avatar Huntmaster says:

        Why you making this stuff up. You just like to fight. Or are you just some kind of left wing infiltrating troll scumbag.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          Nothing in my post is “made up“.

          A local newspaper filed a FOIA request for police reports in the area, no burglaries in the past seven months reported whatsoever.

          Publicly posted interviews with the property owner, wherein he states that nothing had ever been stolen from the construction site.

          To suggest that “thousands of dollars of stuff” had been stolen from the construction site is a sad attempt to smear a dead man.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Yeah… USA Today is hardly a “local” newspaper and has been caught printing outright lies before.

  25. avatar Steve says:

    The offenders have become the Defenders, kind of reminds me of a political situation where in, looks like the truth it’s starting to Bubble to the top. Only time will tell, this is a known drug area, please. What’s next Throwdown gun, cops are being arrested all over the country for this very reason and yeah they’re being arrested

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Welcome to the America most Republicans think doesn’t exist. Safe spaces are great for those inside them.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        It’s amazing how I managed to live my entire life without once having a problem with a cop despite being blacker than Kamala Harris. Score one for amazing Tatar / Cossack tanning skills.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          You be darker than Obama? He has one black parent — you must have two.

          You sure look dark when I invert the colors of your pictures.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Apparently reading comprehension is still weak with you clowns. Like I said, super Tatar tanning powers, put me in the field for a couple of weeks, I turn arab.

        3. avatar Chief Censor says:

          Harris is mixed. She came from a family that owned slaves. She is part white because of slavery.

          Obama is also from a white parent and a black parent.

          You are from two white parents. You are a proud Warren.

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          And yet in the average august day, my skin tone is darker than Harrris. It’s almost like skin color is a completely meaningless indicator… who woulda thought.

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          Now Ivan is discussing his skin tone, trying to convince his he is blacker than black.

          Weird.

  26. avatar Peter Gunn says:

    It would not be unreasonable for someone to posit these perspectives for consideration…

    Did this individual make poor choices? Did this individual have a poor attitude at inappropriate times? Did this individual always obey the law? How well did this individual (or most citizens, for that matter) understand, or even ever contemplate, “black letter law”… much less the intricacies therein? Did this individual’s cultural taste differ from mine? Did this individual experience society differently than me… by choice?… by force?… or maybe both? What would have happened if the TASER had not malfunctioned (at 2:15 in the video the LEO admits he was in error deploying it)? Did this individual DESERVE to be tased? Does someone’s choice of clothing, manner of speech, taste in music, questionable social skills, or apparent lack of “proper” education make them more inclined to be a criminal? If someone has ever broken a law, should they be placed into a different societal group, labeled as such, and treated differently for the rest of their lives? Does someone have the right to fight back against a perceived wrong? Should someone be held accountable for both the intended and unintended consequences of their actions? Did this individual deserve to die for the crime he was believed to have committed? Does it really not matter to you if he’s dead because “criminals get what’s coming to them”? Did you just say “yes”? Do you REALLY believe that? Could it be there’s a culture clash going on here where the easiest thing to do is pick “your” side and staunchly defend it… all the while making it painfully obvious just how parochial your views really are? Are you biased? Do you care if you’re biased? If you are audacious enough to own your bigotry, are you honest enough to admit you are behaving just like the people you have targeted… that are supposedly “inferior” to you? Can you be honest with yourself? Would it matter? Do you WANT to be a better person… even if it requires you admitting you may have been wrong in the past?

    If any of the above makes you uncomfortable enough to want to dismiss it out of hand- you may be part of the problem.

  27. avatar Bill Gates says:

    These cops in the video will be the same smucks that come to your house to make sure you get your, according to Alan Dershowitz, constitutionally administered RNA-based vaccination complete with auto-injected RFID chip.

    Nationwide we have non-stop violations of 18 USC, section 242 Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law. Recommend all those who have taken an oath to read it. And all those that like your rights, print out that section and keep it in your wallet. Maybe, just maybe if you ever have an interaction with the law wherein the USC is relevant you can reason with them to not be a criminal and potentially go to jail for life for deprivation of citizens rights.

  28. avatar Stupid Boomers says:

    Pwrserge is a boot licker. Shut the fuck up you filthy statist.

  29. avatar Debbie W. says:

    This Arbery did this and that is not going to get the charges dropped against the McMchaels. I know that’s going to disappoint those who are stupid enough to defend grabbing guns, jumping in a truck and heading the suspect off at the pass all without any tangible evidence whatsoever. Before you violate any person’s right of passage you’d better be 110% sure you have legal standing otherwise you and your accomplices go to jail.

  30. avatar The Grey Man says:

    Meanwhile in Chicago…. https://heyjackass.com

  31. avatar BR says:

    “Arbery was placed on probation in 2013 for carrying a gun at a high school basketball game and then charged with shoplifting and violating his probation in 2018, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-tried-to-tase-ahmaud-arbery-in-2017-incident-video-shows/ar-BB14gT4M

    You guys forgot this part also.

    1. avatar Miner49er says:

      You are right, he did think that the constitution guaranteed him the right to keep and bear arms and boy, was he wrong!

      It’s not like everybody on this forum talks about how all gun control laws are unconstitutional or that the second amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms anywhere, anytime without needing a permit from the king, right?

      Or is it just at the right to keep and bear arms is only for the ‘quality people’?

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Yeah… somehow I don’t think you understand the difference between stupid laws and unenforceable laws… and no, the constitution guarantees no such rights to a minor.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          With every comment you reveal your ignorance of the case.

          Number one, the second amendment doesn’t mention an age limitation, as many on this forum have pointed out.

          Number two, he was 19 at the time of the arrest, that makes him an adult, that’s why it’s still on his record today.

          Looks like you need to study more law then just first year contracts.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Federal law states you have to be 21 to legally obtain a handgun. Try harder Chi-com KungPowTroll, much harder. Your lords and masters in Beijing are getting very upset with you.

        3. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

          Does it? ATF website seems to say that’s only for sales by licensed dealers.

          “However, an unlicensed individual may sell or transfer any firearm to an individual over the age of 18 who resides in the same State, provided that he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law.”

          https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0813-firearms-top-12-qaspdf/download

  32. avatar Michael Christensen says:

    Looks like harrassment to me. Not sure if he was on probation or not. If he was, this allows them to search him though. If he wasn’t on probation than this was an illegal body search. They are just looking to make problems for people. He was in the park by himself,so let’s give him some government to ruin his day. How about watch him for awhile to see if anyone approaches him. The police had no probable cause to search him, oh wait, he is black and in a high drug area, so what. He didn’t do anything wrong by being in the park. Haul your Naziism somewhere else. Police have lost so much respect from me in the past 15 years. The sad part is a bunch of people that I retired from the military with afyer over 20 years of service are now police officers doing another set of 20 to 30 years for another retirement.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      A Terry stop does not require probable cause. Oh, and driving on a suspended license qualifies in any case.

      1. avatar Huntmaster says:

        A Terry stop does require articulatable reasons. Not just gut suspicions.

      2. avatar anonymous says:

        A Terry stop does not require probable cause.

        Keep talking. The more you talk, the more likely someone will put legislation forward to require probable cause.

      3. avatar Michael Christensen says:

        He didn’t know he had a suspended license until he ran his name now did he. No reason to give an ID on this stop as he did nothing wrong.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          Exactly, they had no right to begin questioning him.

          Other than the usual cop reason, that he was a young black male.

  33. avatar pwrserge says:

    Ah… always nice to see that the libertardian short bus has good wifi… What would we do if these meth addled cretins didn’t have internet access?

    1. avatar Huntmaster says:

      I have read the Georgia Statutes on Citizens Arrest and Burglary and Trespass. And I have also read all about your ability to speak several different languages. I respect and admire that. English is my native language. Given your interpretation of the Georgia Statutes, your’re not ready for the bar exam.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Never said I was, I still need to brush up on first year contracts. A little outside of my area of interest.

  34. avatar TC says:

    Ok. So he had an encounter with law enforcement in the past. What bearing at all does this have on the fact that 2 bigoted rednecks lynched him.

  35. avatar tdiinva says:

    Now they got him. They were conducting a citizen’s arrest for driving on a suspended license 3 years ago!

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Maybe if he ran they would have shot him?

  36. avatar strych9 says:

    Well, he could have handled that better but I fail to see the relevance here.

    So… he hangs out at the park from time to time and doesn’t much like being accosted by police for doing so… shocker.

    The cops failed to get anything on him and then came up with a catch-all reason for their behavior, a catch-all that can’t be disproven and, really, happens to anyone who knows what weed smells like. My stoners, current and former, know about the “phantom weed smell” you can get momentarily from other things.

    Having been on the receiving end of this kind of treatment from the police, I get it. I had to bite my tongue talking to a few of them. Some were cool just checking up on things, others were accusatory cockbags who needed a severe beating but hid behind a uniform.

    Honestly, since I’m basically a walking advertisement for sunscreen I didn’t ever get the impression that it was a race thing. It was a “25% of cops in this area are functionally retarded” thing. Combine that with the WoD and constant reinforcement about “officer safety” and you’re gonna have bad days and heated encounters.

    Also, insert a couple paragraphs about pattern recognition in our brains and how the “snake is a stick” right around here, because that’s a factor too.

  37. avatar Fred says:

    I knew it, that TASER had Made in China on the side!

    1. avatar Ron says:

      THOSE BASTARDS!!!!!

  38. avatar Ron says:

    This is fun. I’ve literally got the next 12 hours to kill.

    So, let’s all fight some more. The following topics are encouraged to bring out your rage:

    Slavery, state rights, the confederacy, northern robber barons, cotton production, the song Dixie, Abraham Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth, Robert E Lee, reparations, reconstruction, the word “nigger”, the British Empire, The Spanish empire, the Portuguese Empire, the French Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the golden triangle, slavery in Brazil, the Mexican War, the Indian Wars, the Napoleonic Wars, the Zulu Wars and the Opium wars.

    Now please feel free to rant about one of these subjects and why it’s connected to today’s topic. Because some of you have a magical ability to do that.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      I took the time to show the two major videos in question to my dogs. They all agree that Milkbones are delicious.

      Given this, clearly it’s time to nuke Georgia from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

      1. avatar Ron says:

        There’s not a single problem on this planet that can’t be solved by a well placed ICBM.

        I love nukes by the way. I am very pro nuclear war.

      2. avatar Miner49er says:

        Do you remember the Randy Newman song about nuclear weapon proliferation?

        I think the last line was something about how the world would change when Alabama got the bomb.

        1. avatar Ron says:

          Each state aught to be allotted a miniature nuclear arsenal. Say 20 ICBMs, 20 Airborne, and 20 tactical nukes… Change my mind.

    2. avatar Peter Gunn says:

      Ron- every single thing you mention is connected in one immutable way… human nature.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        I watched a great video which very convincingly connected the eruption of Krakatoa with napoleons defeat at Waterloo and the invention of the bicycle.

        1. avatar Ron says:

          If you think about it, the enlightenment is to blame.

          No enlightenment means no printing press, no reformation, no increase in in knowledge, science, education, philosophy, or silly notions like freedom, no increasing in ocean exploration or trade, no Spain or Portugal looking to dominate the sea and therefore leading them to Africa and the new world, and obviously no leaps in technological advancement.

          So life in Europe remains brutal, feudal, and oppressive. No colonies, no empires, no slavery, no European supremacy, no industrial revolution. No climate change.

          No advancement in humanity as the next thousands of years remain as the previous thousands of years, kingdoms rise and fall and people live to serve their God kings.

          America is never discovered by Europe or China. Most of us here probably don’t exist and if we just do happen to, live a short brutal life.

          If the enlightenment is held off long enough, humanity dies off from some cosmic event before it’s able to advance to an interplanetary civilization….

          Thankfully the enlightenment happened. Because even with all the slavery and imperialism the world is a better place.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Um… Ron… The Romans would like to have a word with you on the topic of pre-enlightenment slavery.

        3. avatar Ron says:

          I should’ve clarified:

          No Chattel slavery, On the part of Europe at least, or the Atlantic slave trade.

          The ottomans would’ve still continued to exploit the African slave trade.

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          Um… the Roman slave trade made the antebellum south look like a progressive paradise.

        5. avatar Ron says:

          I never said it did.

          My post was actually in defense of the Enlightenment.

          To clarify, it’s my position that modern Leftist thought is actually Anti Enlightenment.

          Without having said that I can see why my post is confusing.

  39. avatar BradB says:

    I apologize if someone already said this. I didn’t begin to get all the comments read. Here’s my takeaway from this whole sad episode: You stick a gun in someone’s face and tell them to do something and they don’t. Then what? Better to never ever do that unless it’s life or death. The survivors of the incident should not have put themselves in the position. This is why we have law enforcement and a legal system. Does it always work? No. Is it a better option than ending up with blood on your soul?

    I don’t feel sorry for the guys who killed this young man. I do feel for Arbery and his family. Was he perfect? Probably not. Are any of us? What crime did he commit worthy of a death penalty? These guys signed up for the world of woe that is about to come crashing down on them. Someone earlier here commented about facing up to your stupid choices. Let this case be a lesson to all of us.

    1. avatar Montana Actual says:

      Agree. But sorry to inform you, that type of thinking is not allowed here. You are either for or against one side. There is no such thing as anything else.

      1. avatar BradB says:

        I didn’t get waded through all the comments because they mostly seemed like:
        “You’re an idiot.”
        “No, you’re an idiot.”
        “Am not.”
        “Are too!”
        Ad nauseum. The name of this website is The Truth About Guns. The discussion I would like to see is, “What can we learn from this?” The commentary goes off the rails so often, no wonder Dan does not appear to moderate. It would be a total waste of his time to read all this. I’m looking forward to John Corriea’s analysis of the shooting video on the Active Self Protection YouTube channel.

        I was hoping for some good insights but it’s not worth the time it takes to separate the pepper from the fly$#!+, I guess I’ll watch a Paul Harrell or two and go to bed.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          ^^This comment here^^ should serve as a cautionary tale to a lot of POTG.

          It won’t, which is sad, but it still should.

        2. avatar Montana Actual says:

          Well, it’s expected from a site that requires no information to comment.

  40. avatar White Obama Mama says:

    Even if the trial was moved to bum-F-egypt they could not get a fair trial because the POTUS, in so many words, said the defendants were guilty early on. All the media hype and the politicization of everything, well nobody could not have heard it and not know about it. So the concept that an impartial jury could be seated is a joke.

    Add to it the thing that a lynch mob, like a black cloud, marched on Brunswick. They placed quite a few big heavy set black women with big headlights, Oprah Winfrey or Stacy Abrams types, out front and up front, along with what may have been a preacher, also heavy set wearing all black. He was wearing that big gold chain with the big gold cross; you can’t miss him in the photograph. Perhaps on this day he was a fill in for the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

    It looked like 50 percent of the marchers, or more, were not wearing masks and they all marched close together many of them arm-in-arm. What of social distancing that’s usually enforced during these times? No way any white LEOs were ever going to wade into that crowd and try to break that mob up. Plus they were probably mostly out-of-towners and could have easily had carriers of the Wuhan-China virus that were not wearing masks. But, you know…, they were all black folks so nobody ever said anything about it and the media ignored what was an extreme violation of the rules the rest of us now have to live with.

    And now to get the verdict desired they, the deep state and the powers that be, bring in what might be described as a hanging judge for what they, in communist and banana-republic-type countries, behind the scenes, refer to as a show trial.

    Somebody has to rule on what jurors are seated and various points of Georgia law – above the objections of many. Even so, as it has become, at the least, the jury should be all white folks, or what passes for white in these times, with perhaps a few that were born south of the border if they’re brave enough to step up.

    But regardless, the end result, if the show trial is ever actually over, is now a given: What is the verdict(s)? GUILTY. What is the punishment(s) to be carried out by the state? DEATH. Hang by the neck(s) until dead, or unfortunately, as it usually is in Georgia, they’re executed, usually many years later, by the painless lethal injection. May god have mercy on their souls. Cobb County GEORGIA some way now being in charge? is like a guaranteed death sentence too. Worst cops and courts in the state by far …

    Justice, probably injustice in this case, delayed is justice denied. It costs the tax payers a bundle too feeding all of those condemned prisoners for years and sometimes for many decades.

    This is really all about the black vote as most of us know. 95 percent, but no less than 90 percent, of blacks voted for Obama in two presidential elections. If that happens in this election Trump’s chances are slim and the DemocRats know it. Their half-breed, black-daddy white-mama, ring leader, Barack Obamination is chirping more and more now to gin up the black voters. You can take the africans out of the jungle but you can’t take the jungle out of the africans. Chicago being the good example of that… Tribal warfare and shooting each other down like dogs in that city comes natural to them.

    Chief Censor, by the way, has clearly lost it with his over-the-top blind favorable bias towards any black person, and against all police, regardless of the facts or anything else. The cops can’t ALWAYS be wrong and not all of them are thugs.

    And Miner49er, err… 69er, is he really that liberal and left wing? He and Chief Censor seem very similar.

    1. avatar Montana Actual says:

      TL;DR

      I’m a racist republican and if you disagree with me on this subject then you must be a leftist.

      Seriously… write a fucken book next time.

      1. avatar Ron says:

        Democrats are far more racist then republicans.

        1. avatar Montana Actual says:

          …but none the less, racist? Idiot.

    2. avatar strych9 says:

      Dafuq did I just read?

      Pretty sure that just killed more brain cells than sweating out a hard night of drinking by going to a boxing gym.

  41. avatar Montana Actual says:

    Violated. Fuck the police.

    1. avatar Ron says:

      Violation Questionnaire:

      Who violated you?

      Did you like or dislike?

      Would you choose to be violated again or would you refrain?

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        I wanted a hotfox to touch my no-nos, not a middle aged guy with a taser, drawl and an inferiority complex.

        If that ain’t violatin’ somethin’ then I dunno what is!

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Well, if you remember that your underwear goes UNDER your pants rather than over them and that a jacket generally requires a shirt, you might not get questioned by the cops as much.

        2. avatar strych9 says:

          serge I really don’t get your obsession with this case.

          The almost compulsive way you talk about this combined with your departure from your usual, reasonably lucid, way of discussing things makes me wonder if you’ve used your time during this pandemic to pick up a crank habit.

        3. avatar Montana Actual says:

          He only comments that way because he is attempting to hide his hatred for blacks. Can’t even bring himself to say the N word online… Instead, he makes fun of attire, stereotypes, uses words like “thugs” when refering to low income black communities, etc etc, plus, the guy is just mentally unstable.

        4. avatar Ron says:

          Crank. What a fantastic movie. Let’s all take this time out to appreciate just what an amazing masterpiece of cinema greatness that movie was.

        5. avatar strych9 says:

          If you haven’t attached a car battery to your tongue via a jumper cable you’re probably the kind of pansy who thinks Tabasco is hot.

          LOL.

        6. avatar Ron says:

          🤣 precisely.

        7. avatar Miner49er says:

          “a jacket generally requires a shirt”

          I had no idea the fashion police would actually taser you for a fashion faux pas.

          Sergei has such an eye for style, not that there’s anything wrong with that…

      2. avatar Montana Actual says:

        Are you asking because you have a hard on for me?

        1. avatar Ron says:

          You do got a purdy mouth…

        2. avatar Montana Actual says:

          ok… serge.

        3. avatar Ron says:

          I could only dream of the sheer talent serge has in offending people.

  42. avatar White Obama Mama says:

    You’re wrong. I read every post and it was well worth my time You just need to stay focused on lighter lower-level reading material. That Dan stays out of it, usually, is smart and it’s why TTAG is now one of the best web sites on the internet. Got something good? Then don’t over censor it and kill it. Dan again shows he’s a smart guy. Great job you’re doing Dan… I always read what you post on TTAG.

    You could learn a lot if you had the mental capacity to read all or most of the posts.

    And most of the content posted was relevant to the topic, but it’s better to allow them to sort things out on their own in almost every case. TTAG is on the right track and can only rise in the web site rankings.

    I can only agree that you’re probably a racist republican based on your post content.
    So why don’t you try composing a f’n book – that makes sense. You probably could not do so if you tried. You should stick with just reading headlines. F the police you say?

    Most of us realize that’s right.

  43. avatar White Obama Mama says:

    Trying that post again …

    ” The name of this website is The Truth About Guns. The discussion I would like to see is, “What can we learn from this?” The commentary goes off the rails so often, no wonder Dan does not appear to moderate. It would be a total waste of his time to read all this. ”

    You’re wrong. I read every post and it was well worth my time. You just need to stay focused on lighter lower-level reading material. That Dan stays out of it, usually, is smart and it’s why TTAG is now one of the best web sites on the internet. Got something good? Then don’t over censor it and kill it. Dan again shows he’s a smart guy. Great job you’re doing Dan… I always read what you post on TTAG.

    ” I’m a racist republican and if you disagree with me on this subject then you must be a leftist. ”

    I can only agree that you’re probably a racist republican based on your post content.
    So why don’t you try composing a f’n book – that makes sense. You probably could not do so if you tried. You should stick with just reading headlines. F the police you say?

    ” Democrats are far more racist than republicans. ”

    Most of us realize that’s right.

    ” serge … makes me wonder if you’ve used your time during this pandemic to pick up a crank habit. ”

    When you can’t deal with somebody on the level, that’s when you would turn to such ridiculous accusations. Seems to me that serge can take it and also dish it out.

    1. avatar Montana Actual says:

      I wish I could explain my confusion with your rants. I’ll just keep it simple for you though:

      LOL. Wut?

    2. avatar strych9 says:

      “When you can’t deal with somebody on the level, that’s when you would turn to such ridiculous accusations. Seems to me that serge can take it and also dish it out.”

      *Yawn* You show up here with long, rambling posts and tell me out to interact with someone I’ve been interacting with for half a decade, take my ribbing of the guy (who, more often than not, I defend btw) and start talking like you know what’s what.

      Apparently it hasn’t occurred to you that maybe, possibly I said that to serge for a reasons that you don’t get. Like, for instance, that I know he can take a light jab and keep going.

      Not only that, you don’t seem to comprehend how to use the “reply” function attached to each post so that people have some idea who the hell you’re talking to without reading a misplaced wall-o-text.

      First day on the interwebz? Or are you the more intelligible reincarnation of Joe R?

  44. avatar Hannibal says:

    Amazingly, when confronted by uniformed police officers instead of two stupid fatasses in a pickup truck, the situation was resolved without bloodshed.

    Really makes you think.

    1. avatar Ron says:

      Be careful with that kind of logic around here. The Neo Anarchist Timothy Mcveigh wannabes will have an absolute shit fit.

  45. avatar Hannibal says:

    Imagine if Trayvon Martin had won the fight with Zimmerman. Imagine if he had concussed Martin’s head into the ground and no shot had been fired. Then, when the police arrested him, he said he was just trying to make a citizen’s arrest. He had seen that Martin was following him and had a hand on a gun. That looked like a robbery! So Martin had circled around and tried to arrest him. But because Zimmerman had resisted and even tried to draw his gun, Martin had to bash his head in.

    Would we see pwrserge defend Martin? After all, we can’t know, maybe Zimmerman WAS planning to assault or rob Martin. That’s what Martin says, and proof beyond a reasonable doubt isn’t required for a citizen’s arrest! And wow, did you guys know that Zimmerman had been arrested for feloniously assaulting a police officer years before? If you ask me that’s a lot more indicative of a violent nature than stealing a TV and surrendering upon being caught.

    Somehow I have a feeling pwrserge wouldn’t leap to defend the citizen’s arrest in that case. Unless Martin was a fat white guy. Then maybe.

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      *Zimmerman was following him

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        Zimmerman was stalking him with a gun.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          Guns do give out of shape non warriors a confidence they could never have naturally. In America, it used to be all about going hands on not guns up. Give a coward a gun, he will feel like a god as long as he has ammo. School shootings display this clearly.

    2. avatar pwrserge says:

      1. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not now and has never been required for ANY arrest. Citizen’s or otherwise.
      2. Florida does not have the same citizen’s arrest statutes as Georgia.
      3. Zimmerman committed zero elements of any crime while following Martin. The felon so rigorously being defended here as a “good boy” is on tape committing 2 and arguably 3 out of 3 elements of felony burglary.

      If you clowns still don’t get that flight is evidence of criminal intent, you need to read up on your SCotUS precedents.

  46. avatar Tim says:

    “Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper-Jones, has said she believes her son was merely out jogging.”

    Yes. Mothers say things like that, don’t they?

  47. avatar Dude says:

    The GBI just searched the McMichael’s home yesterday. That seems interesting given how long this case has been going now.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      The sister of Travis posted pictures of Arbery’s body online. She says she is a fan of true crime. She is so dumb, she is posting a crime online for viewers to see, that crime being her brother killing a black man.

      She is mentally ill or very dumb.

      GBI should have already taken all the cellphones and computers of everyone involved. They should also gathered the data from the cell companies just in case they deleted stuff off their cells. They would also have to go to email companies to get the databases.

      Gathering all the electronics and databases will allow them to verify if Roddy or anyone else was involved and how the chase went down. It will allow them to investigate a conspiracy and premeditation. They could check into officer Rash and even Larry English’s story.

      1. avatar Dude says:

        That’s really weird.

      2. avatar Miner49er says:

        What a bunch of bloodthirsty violence voyeurs these yahoos are.

        I wonder if she stepped in the victim’s blood while she was getting that great shot for Instagram?

        “The Sun reported that the photo photo, which shows Arbery’s blood-soaked body at the crime scene, had been making the rounds within the Brunswick, Georgia community before Lindsay McMichael posted it.

        When asked about the picture by The Sun on Monday, Lindsay McMichael apologized and said she had shown poor judgment.”

        The story is that she posted the photo shortly after the killing, while they all still thought the official cover-up was going to hold.

        Of course, Sergei will maintain that Miss Lindsay is a paragon of female virtue, and certainly entitled to take whatever pictures she wants and post them wherever she wants to.

        We can only hope the GBI has her phone and whatever other data storage devices that may have been in their possession or control at the time of the killing.

        Another issue, we all should be aware of regarding the videos is they are edited versions which have been carefully processed to show the McMichaels in the best possible light.

        The victim, nor his family, have released any videos, everything you see is from individuals who have a liability exposure issue.

      3. avatar Miner49er says:

        Ahmaud’s attorney:

        “It actually fits in with the pattern of the McMichael family engaging in a weird, violent form of voyeurism,” he continued in his statement to the Sun. “First you have [Gregory] McMichael sharing with a news station a video of the murder then you have his daughter sharing an image of Ahmaud’s bullet-ridden body on Snapchat. It’s deeply disturbing behavior.”

  48. avatar Miner49er says:

    It’s looking more and more like a continuing criminal enterprise, dirty cops covering up felonious assault and murder for one another.

    “ A Glynn County police officer who enlisted a retired district attorney investigator’s help with unwanted visitors in the Satilla Shores neighborhood — where Ahmaud Arbery was later shot and killed — was reprimanded for his involvement in a previous highly-criticized case handled by the Glynn County Police Department, according to personnel records obtained by the News4Jax I-TEAM.

    Officer Robert Rash was disciplined in 2018 for failing to arrest a fellow officer who assaulted his estranged wife in front of Rash and other officers and then tried to break into her home, personnel records show.

    Fellow officer Lt. Robert “Corey” Sasser also swung at and slapped at the officers in the incident, which was captured on a body camera.

    Officers on the scene, including Rash, failed to arrest Sasser for what then-police Chief John Powell later called “clear criminal violations.”

  49. avatar st381183 says:

    Here come all the racists to claim that this two year old video justifies the McMichaels murder of this kid because he didn’t cower to the police when they were harassing him. The same racists that would be just as angry and uncooperative as Arbery if the police had done that to them.

  50. avatar Miner49er says:

    What a bunch of Keystone cops, Georgia edition.

    Clearly, the Glynn County jurisprudence and law-enforcement system is completely corrupt, I’m interested to see if the DOJ will let this slide or will they conduct an investigation.

    “BRUNSWICK, Ga. – Four current or former police officers, including current Glynn County Police Chief John Powell, were indicted Thursday night on a variety of charges resulting from an investigation into a former police officer who had sex with a confidential informant.

    Arrest warrants were issued late Thursday for Powell, former Glynn County public information officer and current Vidalia Police Chief Brian Scott, former Glynn County Police Department Capt. David Hassler and Sgt. David Haney, according to Mark Spaulding of the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office.

    The grand jury found sufficient evidence to justify 20 charges, including violation of oath, attempt to commit a felony, influencing a witness, perjury and making false statements to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Jurors declined to indict on one additional charge they considered.“

    So we have two police chiefs, one captain and a sergeant involved in serious crimes to protect another dirty cop.

    What is this, the third scandal to involve the Glynn County justice System?

  51. avatar Tommy357 says:

    Once upon a time, I was out on a run with two friends. A few miles from home we came upon a home construction site and stopped to wander through and get a sense of the floor plan. It’s fun. It’s harmless. We ran home and carried on with our lives.

    Some years later I looked at a spec home site and ended up buying the house.

    This guy didn’t need to be a saint to enjoy the same normal expectations of life, where harmless “trespassing” or as I would say sight seeing results in death.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      He should have been born a white female.

  52. avatar Ding Dong Ditch says:

    I still have not seen anything that justifies two armed vigilantes approaching a man for whom they had no evidence of wrongdoing, attacking, and murdering him in the street.
    This was not a defensive gun use. This was not like George Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon Martin while having his skull bashed into the pavement. This was two men brandishing weapons against one unarmed man, and then firing when he (rightfully) attempted to defend himself.

    If you still think this shooting was in any way justified, I want you to imagine a scenario where a white man is gunned down by two armed black men. Still think it’s OK?

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      1. There is tape of him going into a dwelling without authority. That’s 2 out of 3 elements of felony burglary. His unprovoked flight when confronted is evidence to criminal intent as per SCotUS precedent which makes it 3 out of 3.
      2. There is no such thing as “brandishing” in Georgia.
      3. Under Georgia law, there is nothing that says you can’t use threat of force to carry out a citizen’s arrest.

  53. avatar Frank says:

    here you go

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