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Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson says an unidentified student entered Arapahoe High School with a shotgun, looking for a specific teacher. The teacher left the building. The shooter opened fire on another student. The shooter killed himself before responding police entered the building. Robinson says one student is in serious condition, another student suffered minor injuries, which may not have been directly caused by the shooter.

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    • Maybe two hit by the same shot pattern?

      See? We can speculate BS just like the talking heads. Where’s my million-dollar paycheck?

      • I have no idea why you are being so hostile.

        Either way, both of those are good things. The VP goes on and on about his Berretta under-over shotgun and the left uses this say see the VP is pro-gun.

    • 2 students shot, one was the shooter, so you have student shooter and student shootee. 2 students shot. Anything to gin up that mill.

    • “If the teacher you want to shoot isn’t available, go out in the hall way and fire two blasts….”

  1. Ah, looks like maybe at least the Arapahoe Sheriff gets it. First deputies on the scene went right in without waiting for SWAT. Right on!

      • That’s a shame. Sheriff Maketa in El Paso County is retiring as well, which is another huge loss. Colorado has a damned good crop of sheriffs. Pretty good deputies overall, at least in my experience. They certainly done good today.

        The Denver PD is another story…..

    • He is dead. It does not matter if he is famous or not. Hiding the name of a criminal is much more troublesome in a free society.

      • You may have missed his point. Likely this kid thought hey, I’ll be as famous as the rest of the CO shooters (they have a bonafide trend here now), and the circus that will spring up around this one will just add to the compulsions of the next. Rinse, Repeat.

        • I have seen the point several times on numerous venues, after these shootings, to not print the name of the scumbag. Hiding the name of the suspect is not what should happen in a free society. I would even put “juvenile” offender’s names out in public.

      • of COURSE it matters. Why do you think these shootings happen on the anniversary of a previous one? Why do you think the shooters tend to be obsessed with the previous shooters? They’re sick nobodies that want to be known for something, and the media does that with your help.

        There’s a difference between ‘hiding’ and broadcasting. How about we take a small step and stop giving the murders post-mortem psychological handjobs by going over their entire lives on the cable news networks? How about we stop putting weird-looking photos of them all over the evening news? How about we refer to them how they deserve: as some loser. But I guess that would be too insensitive to them because they were bullied, or socially awkward, or whatever other bullshit will be trotted out to explain why (and tacitly excuse) why someone murdered a child.

  2. Hey, what timing, huh? “Random” events at “random” times seem SO perfectly matched to real-world events…

    Stop paying so much attention to the events themselves – there’s a lot of noise in that – and pay attention to the timing.

  3. So it may not be a Sandy Hook copycat then. Dec 14th is Saturday, so this is the closest school day to the anniversary. You would think most schools would be on “alert”.

    • My bet would be that a lot of them were. The trouble is that with the current culture of shelter in place cower in fear, this is their alert face: 😐

    • You can’t be safe from everything. The SH shooter just shot through glass to get in. I’m not sure how a school is ‘alert’ anyway, unless you put armed guards in there…

      which I have no problem with, so… carry on.

      • Do it.

        Hell, I post my thoughts on my guns from time to time in the comments section even when the blog post isn’t about guns.

        • I’ve kinda already done that. Except for the Bushmaster M-17S. I really don’t get to shoot often enough to write anything current. Being poor, I currently own only a 12-gauge Remington 870, a .45 semiauto, and the Bushmaster.

          But I enter every contest I come across (keep the contests comin’!) with my fingers crossed.

        • Just looked the Bushmaster up. That’s an interesting rifle, care to tell us more about it?

          Also, what .45 semi automatic do you have? 1911?

          • Did you look into its origin as a different weapon? Honestly, I have mixed feeling about it. It might take more breaking in than I’ve given it. One time, it kicked a live round into the interior of the weapon, making a takedown necessary. That was scary, though it’s never happened. One other thing that I won’t mention here, though the Statute of Limitations has run out! 😉

            The .45 is an EAA Witness (Tanfoglio) all-steel job, with a compensator. It’s amazingly accurate. I sold a Ruger .45 I had and bought the EAA. I couldn’t be happier with the decision.

        • I would love to see a review of the M17S myself. I always wanted one as a teenager. Now they are about as hard to find as a unicorn or M38 mosin.

          • While I’ve experienced an issue or two, I’m not about to sell mine, short of a REALLY great offer.

    • Ok, thanks guys; now I *feel* better.

      Just talking about guns helps with all those oppression *feelings* that emerge every time the media goes on a reporting safari about another tragic shooting.

  4. but. . . the . . .school . . .is . . . a . .. gun . . . free . . . zone. . . by . . . law . . . . .WTF???

    how did he get past the school property line? How did he get into the building?

    • It is impressive that he managed to walk right past the power of an aluminum sign with vinyl lettering on it, isn’t it?

    • A while back Michigan enacted a “Super Drunk” driving law. If you’re more than double the legal limit you’re super drunk and subject to heavier fines.

      What we really need are SUPER GUN FREE zones. That’ll stop ’em for sure.

      • New Mexico needs this “Super Drunk” law; I was guys commit vehicular homicide with something like 15 DUIs on their record. When they’re “one of us” (i.e., of Spanish lineage), they get slap after slap on the wrist. They get their licenses suspended, then they drive drunk as shit without a license.

        Obviously, suspended permits is not enough. They need to send them to prison for 20 years, at least, in such cases.

        This also happens on the reservations, beyond the reach of Gringo laws.

  5. As a CU student I’m not far away from this. It can’t be 3pm local time because it’s only 2pm local RIGHT NOW. Thank goodness for the student resource officers (every school in CO has one since Columbine) and it’s kept the fatalities in these kinds of kinds of incidents very low (from what I can tell).

  6. Not to sound all conspiratorial about this…but at this current moment it is only 2:13 pm here in Colorado. Perhaps it was a typo in the post above, but it is saying the school was on locckdown around 3pm.

    • Yup, that’s it. The liberals may try and paint it as another TERROR OF GUNS while the right-wing nuts will try and paint it as a government conspiracy… but in the end it’s just another day in America and somebody wanted to kill someone else. Because he was a teacher the school was a reasonable place to find him.

  7. It doesn’t matter if it was a shotgun this time. The cry from gun control groups will be “but because it was a shotgun and not an assault weapon 20 children weren’t killed! This proves we should ban assault weapons!”

    • Which is why we need to hope that the resource officer was able to intervene. It’ll be about the only thing that will slow the defecation in it’s flight toward the rotating oscillator….

    • Non- story from a non-news source. Just reporting that they did an unofficial count. Man bit dog again.

    • The story smells of BS filler, but the question at the end is a good one. “Lock down”, along with “Shelter in place”, always seemed to me as if they would be as effective as “duck and cover” in the event of a nuclear attack.

      But, hey, anything to make them feel like they’re actually doing something to improve safety, right?

      • When those windows blow in, you’re free to stand there and look at the shards of glass coming at your face.

        • A shockwave moving near the speed of sound, with blast pressures exceeding 30 kPa with temperature around 10,000,000K……….I’ll take the glass.

  8. These assault shotguns have no place on our streets.

    They shoot multiple bullets per trigger pull and should only be owned by my NYPD officers!

  9. A very close friend that lives in Englewood CO sent me this about that—

    “Interesting. Just got a call about Englewood schools are on lock down and went to the district website. Arapahoe High School isn’t anywhere near this district, so I don’t know why Englewood is locked down. I just texted [my daughter, redacted by me] and she said, “What lockdown” when I asked her to let me know when it’s over.

    A few weeks back, they had a day off so the cops could set up an “active shooter” scene….teachers told the kids that day they were NOT allowed anywhere near the school. The following Tuesday, there was an “active shooter” drill…I kept her home that day.”

    The latest from my friend:
    “TRACY MURPHY, REMEMBER THAT NAME. The janitor said the shooter was screaming for “MURPHY” and then went on to say he shot at TRACY MURPHY but missed.”

  10. Soooo NRA’s Wayne Lapierre said last year that there were other copycat school shooting monsters in our midst. And he was right. He said that more laws on top of the current 20,000 firearm laws won’t stop them. And he was right. He said that so-called gun free zones only direct killers to easy target environments. And he was right. He said the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun was with a good guy with a gun [either directly or by prompting the suicide.] And he was right. He said that semiauto rifles are not “machine guns” and banning them or standard capacity magazines won’t stop school shootings. And he was right.

    Yet, NRA’s Wayne Lapierre is fairly regularly bashed in here as an out of touch stiff heading a lethargic, sclerotic organization. Sounds like he was on target and has been for years.

    Soooo……..Wayne haters……do you need his email address to send your apologies…..or ya good?

    • Wayne’s statements were made in a press conference held on the 21st of December, a week after Newtown. As the head of an organization who stands at the forefront of a battle where the person who speaks first generally wins, a week is pretty damn lethargic.

      So, yeah, I’m good.

      And, I’m an NRA member.

      • Don’t care if you’re an NRA member. It’s like when libs say “I’m a gun owner, but……” Your points must stand on their own, or not, but there’s no use of credibility crutches allowed. Now, on to your point:

        That was a no-win situation. If he’d been out there immediately, they would have been accused at least of politicizing a tragedy. At least as likely, because early reports are so often faulty, he would have made an assertion that turned out to be mistaken, and he would have been pounded mercilessly for it. By the way, that’s one of he reasons to STFU after a DGU: never mind “can”, anything you say WILL be used against you, even if it’s just a misrecollection or hasty characterization on your part. You’ll be painted as a liar, obstructer of justice, and worse. Same with Wayne.

        So instead, he chose to wait a week until some of the immediate shock had subsided, and some more solid, albeit still preliminary, details of the attack emerged so as to make an intelligent statement. In waiting a week, however prudent, he then is left open to attacks of “He waited too long!” Never mind that people are *still* talking about Sandy Hook; proving that there so far hasn’t existed such a thing as “too long.” So there’s really no winning. It’s just a matter of Wayne-haters throwing a dart at the wall, then drawing in the bull’s eye around it.

        Now, that’s my assessment, which I don’t expect you to agree with all of a sudden; but it would be nice for once to hear disagreement backed by something more cogent than “Nuh uh!”

        • “It’s like when libs say “I’m a gun owner, but……””

          Believe it or not, there are some people that are able to mark a distinction between agreeing with an organizations message and deifying it’s leadership. The NRA, all 5 million members, provides a collective voice arguing against the further assault on our right to keep and bear arms. I belong because I recognize that rather than being lone voices howling in the wind we need a collective message to be sent. My like or dislike of the Executive Vice President has nothing to do with it. Frankly, I could give a damn who the VP of the NRA is.

          “If he’d been out there immediately, they would have been accused at least of politicizing a tragedy. At least as likely, because early reports are so often faulty, he would have made an assertion that turned out to be mistaken, and he would have been pounded mercilessly for it.”

          I hate to break it to you, he waited a week and was STILL accused of politicizing a tragedy. It wouldn’t have mattered if it was a week, a month, a year, a decade. The anti-constitutionalists would still have vilified him. Again, absolutely nothing to do with Wayne Lapierre specifically. Could’ve been Wayne Lapierre, could’ve been Ted Nugent, could’ve been Charlton Heston (man would THAT have gotten attention). The antis would have spewed the same hate, the same message of capitalizing on tragedy while doing the same things themselves as they did with him waiting a week. It’s their standard operating procedure.

          Finally, I really doubt that Wayne Lapierre himself had much say at all in how long he waited. I would be willing to wager a case of Knob Creek that there was a lot of NRA legal and PR team members involved in that decision. They got tripped up by their own size. AS much authority as the VP might have in the organization, that’s a lot of administrative mass to get moving. And, as you said, I’m sure a big part of their consideration was waiting to get the information. I’m sure an even bigger part was waiting to see what there opponents were going to do first.

          My problem with scenario is perception. The anti-constitutionalists (need to work on that, it doesn’t flow like anti-gunner) were out there immediately making there voices heard. Meanwhile the organization that brands itself as the representative of our core freedom was silent. And organization who gained my membership under the proposition that they would be the voice of reason, and they were silent.

          Now, I don’t know why the personal affection for “Wayne”. And worse? I don’t care….

    • Most of those statements fall into the “no-shit” category. The head of a gun-rights advocacy organization needs to be able to do better, particularly when he fumbles in other areas (video games, etc)

      • I’ll see your no-shit and raise you a duh. What *exactly*, other than an undefined “do better”, would you like to see him do? I say the problem isn’t all that complicated to begin with, so he can’t really blame him for hitting the slow ball out of the park. It is what it is and yet, millions of liberals can’t seem to wrap their minds around the issue and arrive at what even you regard as no-shit statements.

        Fact is the NRA has been doing the heavy lifting on firearms safety, proficiency and liberty for many moons; in some cases before some here were even born, in others before anyone here’s great-great-grandfathers were born. Wayne himself has lived and breathed this struggle daily for nearly forty years. That’s a tad more weighty a commitment to the cause than the occasional plinker cum frequent blogger. No disrespect intended, of course. We’re all doing what we can.

    • I don’t see why there’s a problem with that…? One is the perpetrator, the other is a victim. One deserves sympathy, the other needs to be put down.

    • Most interesting, insightful comment of the day award goes to you on that one, Jim. I’m going to borrow that bit, if you don’t mind. It’s the same media, I suppose, that regards twenty-something year old gangsters shot in the course of gangbanging as “children” victims of gun violence when it comes to compiling the stats.

  11. ANY news report of a nutjob on the loose with a gun causes other similarly afflicted lunatics to march in step and follow the leader. That’s because they have no brains and no imagination. Otherwise they wouldn’t even consider this Armageddon move. All I ask is that they stay home and pull the trigger there. Legal gun owners should beware unstable youths who could access their firearms. They are equally responsible.

    • That’s what they used to do until they found out they could get their picture all over the news by getting the highest body count. THAT’LL show those bastards that didn’t treat them right!

      Scornful anonymity is the only solution to the problem, and it’s probably why this kind of shit didn’t happen a few decades ago the way it does now. But you’ve got half the people who get off on ‘investigating’ the killings and another half who just can’t tear themselves away from the news networks whenever something tragic happens….

      We’re screwed.

    • Do you actually imagine legalized weed had anything to do with this, or did you get up this morning and decide to dedicate today to the Art of Buffoonery?

      • I’ve never smoked marijuana and really have no desire to, but in reality wouldn’t have legalized marijuana helped the situation? I’ve DD’d many, many times for friends that smoke….give them a bag of cheetos and an X-Box and they’re not going anywhere…..

    • People crazy enough to kill someone are often crazy enough to be on medication so…. no bet.

      Although this sounds like it may have been more of a straight up murder plot, not a mass shooting sorta thing.

      • One thing that’s been notably missing is what prompted the shooter to cap himself. Did armed security get the drop on him, or did he give up spontaneously? Did he have more shells? Would it have been a spree shooting without armed security? I suspect the latter, but the antigun media is censoring that part.

  12. It you all feel like being angry, wade through the endless anti comments on CNN. They’re ridiculous

      • Healthy doses of bourbon usually calm me down….but then that turns into unhealthy doses and I get angry again.

        • Anger, properly channeled, can be a very good thing indeed. If you have a reason to be angry, you can tell anyone who says you’re “too angry” to go off their meds. This shit is REAL.

    • One particular comment cited numerous “factual” reports that claim that gun ownership increases crime rates. I felt compelled to reply with a link to Nick’s earlier writeup. Because. Facts.

  13. IM very interested to hear about the teacher….and why specifically this person was being called out. How that teacher managed to evacuate while the school was on lockdown? Perhaps via the assistance of the school resource officer?

    Also lets hear from the parents. Because a lot of children are acting out in some seriously fucked up ways. I blame the touchy feely parenting.

    Also what’s the over under that this kid was on meds? Because you know, the parents being pillars of child rearing probably had little Timmy choking down a prescription cocktail so “they” could deal with him.

    • I don’t totally understand the nuances of over/under. I feel more confident with percentages. I think it’s about 95-5 that this kid was on SSRI drugs, based upon past experiences.

      How does that translate as an over/under?

  14. Why is it when a nearly unique 15 y/o White kid shoots someone it is national news. A lone White kid, prolly on FDA approved Rx drugs is not a threat to the fabric of society.

    Yet when a 15 y/o black thug with a criminal history gets what he deserves it is a horrific example of racism?
    Let’s keep track of the stats here and challenge the media’s attempt to vilify Whites as crazed criminals.

    Get real, be honest. The black community needs to take ownership of the criminal element that is rampant in their midst.

  15. “Why is it when a nearly unique 15 y/o White kid shoots someone it is national news. When a 15 y/o black thug with a criminal history gets what he deserves it is a horrific example of racism?”

    Because GUNS. And race-baiting.

  16. Just listening to the live coverage and classmate of the student shooter described the shooter/student as an outspoken Socialist/Marxist. Hrm…..

    • And here I thought Lee Harvey Oswald was already dead. Or James Earl Ray. Or Sirhan Sirhan, or whatever….

  17. I am sure I will get flamed for this but, why don’t these parents (or any parents for that matter) with kids in the house lock up the guns?

    Here in CA, if you have anyone under 18 in the house, you must have safe. And if anyone under 18 gets a hold of a weapon and causes a problem, you can kiss a good 10 to 20 years of your life away.

    Most parents think their kids are NEVER capable of such acts, little Johnny is always an angel….he showed no signs…etc etc. Personally, if we have any kids come over to the house, everything is locked up. The only time a gun is out is if it’s on my hip and I am home.

    Meh, perhaps I have lived in CA too long. Flame on!

    • Wasn’t that the case in sandy hook? Even if the firearms are locked up all a lock does is keep an honest person out.

      • I don’t recall any locked-up guns coming in to play in Sandy Hook. Are you sure about this?

        Reference?

    • Not a flame, but a disagreement on one point. I agree, on your body or in a safe. My problem is with “you must have safe”.

      NO ONE has the right to tell me what I MUST HAVE.

      • You must have a drivers license to drive. You must pay income taxes. The list goes on and on. Of course, you can choose to NOT do these things but you will obviously face prosecution.

        Just playing devils advocate. You are absolutely right, it should be my decision to own a safe or not.