Update on Alec Baldwin Movie Set Shooting Death

That karma, sho is a bit*h, eh Baldwin!?

Involuntary manslaughter?

Folks, take a lesson from this. Don’t flap your gums on social media. You could be eating those tweets.

Absolutely zero chance this goes to court.

The film industry is literally the only thing keeping NM alive. You start actually prosecuting actors for accidentally killing every person they point a gun at, you’ll run them off for good.

Now he knows how it feels to wrongly shoot someone. What an idiot. I hope he gets prison time for 3rd degree murder, manslaughter and illegal use of a firearm.
Better yet, maybe some enterprising prosecutor will use his tweet as evidence of wondering so much that had to actually kill someone.

Baldwin will be successful at identifying some underlying as the person at fault. No criminal charges for Alec. Some prop guy will be charged with some form of negligent homicide.

I hope the families of the deceased and injured come at Baldwin with a civil fury. He brags about his gunplay but ignores the rules of gun safety. Now, a women is dead and her family grieves. Queue the civil attorneys.

Ego over-runs ability, disaster is result. Hubris is a deadly sin. I pray of all families involved, even Mr. Baldwin

Now will the George Sorso funded prosecutor refuse to indict him??? Stay tuned.

btw
Here is another update.

“A grand jury in coastal Glynn County indicted former Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney Jackie Johnson on a felony count of violating her oath of office and hindering a law enforcement officer, a misdemeanor.”

“Ex-Prosecutor Accused Of Interfering With Investigation Into Ahmaud Arbery’s Killing”

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033809949/ahmaud-arbery-former-prosecutor-indicted-misconduct-georgia

If the powers that be aren’t able to control the spread of facts pointing towards Baldwin’s culpability- the left will turn on him. They eat their own without compunction, and never let a good tragedy go to waste…

Waste of time praying for the likes of Baldwin. He will never take responsibility and will likely blame the gun industry, the (now mostly defunct) NRA, and gun owners for this. F him.

Baldwin should be held up as the poster child for violating Jeff Coopers rules.

Picture of Baldwin and text above and below. “This is an idiot” No sympathy and no excuses for him, his mug plastered everywhere.

The very word ‘Baldwin’ being changed to mean “idiot” for all time. His ego sustains him, drive him from our society with humiliation, hammer his ego into dust.

I stated earlier that I was sure at least one of these was true.
1: The gun being fired was on camera
2: He did something he knew he shouldn’t do
3: The people shot did something they knew they shouldn’t do
Looks like 1 and likely 2 as well.

“I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone…https://t.co/WE6QsAAXGI

— AlecBaldwin (@AlecBaldwln____) September 23, 2017”

Well, Alec, how does it feel?

What a shame.

Halyna Hutchins was hot.

From all that I’ve seen, Alec Baldwin is a despicable human being. His smug arrogance has been on display for years to demonstrate that statement.

That said, I feel sorry for him in that he will know that he killed innocent human being.

I heard on the radio that the union representing the prop people said that none of their members were on set overseeing the scene being filmed. I see a huge lawsuit in the making…

Media keep using the term “prop gun” like it’s something esoteric as opposed to a gun that is a prop. And also, of course, like it’s something esoteric that they now need to explain to the rest of us rubes for our own good. Either stupid or trying to cloud the issue in Baldwin’s favor.

Here little proof that show how unsafe thing where at movie shoot with co start firearm training.

Jensen Ackles, who stars in the film alongside Baldwin, addressed gun preparation on set just days before the tragedy. While attending a Supernatural fan event last weekend, the actor gushed about how excited he was to be starring in a Western film. Ackles said they’ve been shooting for two weeks and “going non-stop.”

“I’ve got a 6 a.m. call tomorrow to have a big shootout. They had me pick my gun, they were like, ‘Alright, what gun would you like?’ and I was like, ‘I don’t know?’ and the armorer was like, ‘You have gun experience?'” he told the crowd in the resurfaced video. “I was like, ‘Uh, a little.’ And she’s like, ‘OK, well, this is how you load it, this is how we check it and make sure it’s safe.’ I’m like ‘OK.’ She’s like, ‘Do you want a hip draw or a cross draw?'”

The armorer said she was “going to put some blanks” into the gun, and told Ackles to “fire off a couple rounds” towards a hill. Ackles nailed it because he knew what he was doing all along. “And no kidding, she goes, ‘You’re an a******.'”

72 Million honest Gun owners slept well the other night…One know it all, high and mighty rich condescending prick who plays Cowboy and brags about “gunplay” accidentally kills someone. Hope he is haunted forever and retires.

I think “live” means something different on sets than it does to normal people. I’ve seen people talking about any gun with a charge in it- i.e. a blank- as “live” on sets. This makes no sense to me but, then, not much in hollywood does.

One thing we can all agree on, Alec Baldwin is officially a “killer”.

Hopefully this will be a humbling experience for the arrogant actor. Maybe his brother can introduce him to Jesus and he can learn a little bit about redemption.

Baldwin still hasn’t figured out the 2nd amendment is a fundamental right. If one begins altering that (and there is a way to do it) then one is treading on very thin ice. Before you know it people like Baldwin who become wealthy making movies that use violence of all types will suddenly be finding themselves no longer able to make films because those too will be banned.

I always thought a.b. was a pos. Now I know it.

My issue is listening to the garbage news, how it was an “accidental discharge”. Bullshit. And there were two other “accidental discharges” before that. Bullshit. Unless the gun broke and went off on it’s own without touching the trigger, then they are negligent discharges. People had been complaining of dangerous work environment, which is why those folks walked off the set, and were replaced, BY THE PRODUCERS. Nevertheless, it’s still a horrible thing, for the ones killed/hurt, and even that douche-canoe of a human being.

A Hollywood firearms expert explains how guns are supposed to be handled safely on set
Jacob Shamsian
Fri, October 22, 2021, 9:33 AM

A gun fired on the set of the movie “Rust” on Thursday killed one person and injured another.

Hollywood firearms expert Larry Zanoff said sets are supposed to have a designated person handling guns.

Blanks are supposed to be used instead of live ammunition, but they can still cause injury.

The death of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on Thursday has raised questions about whether firearms are safely handled on movie and TV sets.

Alec Baldwin, the lead actor of the movie, fired a prop gun while filming a scene on the New Mexico set. It discharged, killing Hutchins and injuring the movie’s director, Joel Souza, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s office said.

IATSE Local 44, a union representing prop masters, told its members in an email that a live round was used in Baldwin’s gun, although none of its members were on the movie’s call sheet, Indiewire reported. A representative for the sheriff’s office told Insider that an armorer was on set and that the office was investigating “how and what type of projectile was discharged.”

If the gun had live ammunition, it would be a major violation of set safety guidelines, according to Larry Zanoff, a prop weapons manager at Independent Studio Services.”The television and motion picture industry uses blanks,” Zanoff told Insider. “There’s no place for live ammunition on a television or movie set.”

Using blanks instead of live ammunition can still cause injuries
Zanoff, a former gunsmith, now works to safely equip actors with guns on movie and TV sets. He has nearly 60 credits to his name on IMDb, ranging from “Captain America: Civil War” to “Westworld.”

He said that every set is supposed to have a designated person to oversee firearm use on set, make sure all guns and ammunition are “under lock and key” when they’re not being used, and inspect the firearms before and after each scene with their use.

That person, he said, is also supposed to hold multiple daily safety briefings – regardless of whether any guns are actually fired on set on that particular day.

“That person should be a professional who is both educated enough and technically skilled enough to handle those particular firearms that are being used on that particular production,” Zanoff said. “Guns are supposed to be inspected before and after each and every use.”

Prop guns are often capable of firing live ammunition, but only blank cartridges are supposed to be used on set. The difference, Zanoff said, is the projectile. Live ammunition is designed to kill or injure, including a piece of metal that’s supposed to speed out of the gun upon firing. Blanks might have a piece of paper or cotton instead of metal. So while a blank may have gunpowder, igniting the gunpowder won’t shoot a hard object out of the gun itself.

larry zanoff
Larry Zanoff, an armorer who worked on the movie, “Django Unchained”, holds up 1858 Remington revolvers that were used in the movie. Zanoff was photographed inside the western room at Independent Studio Services in Sunland on January 31, 2013. That doesn’t mean that a blank can’t still hurt someone. Igniting the gunpowder could still cause burns and other injuries, and industry standards require that the cast and crew be 20 feet away if a blank is being fired, Zanoff said.

“If you put something with a blank very close to your skin, clearly you’d get burned. There is an explosion,” Zanoff said. “It’s supposed to be simulated gunfire. So in order to look correct, you’re going to get a muzzle flash.”

Following Hutchins’s death, will industry standards change? Zanoff said it’s too soon to tell, but the existing guidelines are very strong already, and he thinks it’s likely they weren’t properly followed on the set of “Rust.”

“The majority of productions go day in, day out, and manage to replicate gunfire multiple, multiple times a day in a very safe and controlled way,” Zanoff said. “I don’t know that there’s anything more stringent that can be done as far as the safety protocol goes. It’s more a question of whether or not the safety protocols were followed.”

Read the original article on Insider

The writer of this article and most of those posting here are morally and ethically sick, reveling in the fact that an anti-gun person had something very very bad happen to him. What happened was he accidentally killed a woman. Is it still super cool, even though that lady’s family is without her?

Trying to tie him into being directly responsible is such a gross stretch. They hire prop specialists to manage this kind of thing. The director and lead actor (Baldwin) probably had his hands full enough to not want or have time to be responsible for other people’s responsibilities.

When something like this happens to someone of a different political persuasion than you, it’s time to remember that we are all human, we all love our families, and none of us would want to live with the memory that Alec Baldwin now has to live with. Have some compassion folks.

The major question here is who was the armorer for the movie? Sure, there’s a props manager but that could be someone making sure the tables and chairs and spittoons are all in place. The armorer is the person who controls the guns on the movie set, controls the ammunition used in those guns.

Was the armorer present on the set at the time? Or, much worse, did the company not hire an armorer at all and had some newbies handling the hardware? That is the sort of info that will really tell us who is at fault here for a “prop gun” being loaded with real ammunition, not blanks.

The other thing is if other people were in the line of fire without protection, that too is a major safety violation.

fyi

Major accidents on movie and television sets
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/major-accidents-movie-sets-2021-10-22/

btw

I don’t recall anyone being shot on the set of “Band Of Brothers”. The promotional material for that show bragged about the amount of ammo and the number of guns used.

“According to “The Making of Band of Brothers,” a heavy day of filming required up to 14,000 rounds of ammunition, and the set had an arsenal of 700 authentic World War II weapons and 400 rubber prop guns.”

https://taskandpurpose.com/entertainment/10-things-never-knew-band-brothers/

It seems some artists take safety with firearms seriously. And some don’t.

Copper’s rules don’t apply, but there are rules concerning blank firing props. Baldwin and any other actors should have been trained on them, including not pointing them directly at people, especially at close range. One source reported that the shooting occurred between scenes, and Baldwin joked about killing the directors for making him do the scene again before aiming the gun at them and pulling the trigger. If that’s what happened, Baldwin is liable for misusing the gun. The armorer may be liable if a live round was placed in a real gun or an obstruction was in the barrel ahead of the blank. If the armorer is liable, Baldwin might be partially liable for hiring an unqualified person who was supposed to be responsible for.safety.

Baldwin is an idiot. He acts like an idiot. I do acting also and will be in an up-coming documentary called ‘The Fight Before Christmas,’ a new documentary film, will debut on Apple TV on November 26
I play a x military x cop type person. I was provided a revolver to have holstered for a scene. I inspected the revolver and insured the cylinder was empty. The revolver was shown to everyone on set to see it was empty. It was then holstered and carried by me never touched again.
Baldwin should have know what he was pointing and what was in it. That’s his responsibility. Is this a real weapon? What are the cartridges in it? Show me! I wouldn’t do what he did.

Are they using period firearms? I would imagine that they would be black powder weapons and a ball(or something hard) would have to have been loaded into the firearm directly. A piece of wadding shouldn’t kill someone at 15′ and would go through them to lodge in a clavicle of a second person.

By his own slanderous libelous buttspew Alex Baldwin showed numerous times how gun ignorant he is. Like 99 9/10% of Gun Control useful idiots they are accidents waiting to happen. They are their own worst enemies.

There was some talk of him saying “shoot the scene again?” And then firing at the crew

I’ll give the guy the benefit of doubt and say I don’t think he meant to do it, but he was the producer of this film and it was his ultimate responsibility for safety on set
But he’s also an asshole and a drunk and probably shot at the crew thinking the gun was safe

This wouldn’t have happened if he learned about guns before handling one

And here it is in black-and-white, the production company refused to pay professional IATSE union members and instead, relied on local nonunion labor to save money.

“As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, the knowledgeable person said.

A member of the producer staff then ordered the union members to leave the set. She said if they didn’t leave, the producers would call security to remove them.“

Look for the Union label.

“New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies’ office said in the statement sent to CNN that they are still in the preliminary stages of the investigation.

“We will look into all facts and evidence of the case with great discretion and have further information at a later time.”

Discretion? Great discretion!?

I don’t think that word means what they think it means.

Looking into all the facts and evidence of a potential crime “with great discretion” means that they will choose their course of action not based on the evidence, but on simply how they decide they want to proceed. I don’t think they meant to be, but it’s probably one of the most honest things a politician has said in a long time.

“the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation”

The victims weren’t actors on the set, so why point, cock the gun and shoot at them. (assuming single action in a western movie) (I love westerns but would never spend my hard earned bread on a Baldwin movie.) Two people were injured. Having to re-cock the gun would indicate there was intent to do harm.
Hopefully he tests any future prop guns against his temple going forward, in the interest of safety to those under his supervision of course.

I seriously dislike Baldwin for reasons which do not matter here. But I have a hard time laying all the blame on him, considering the business he is in and how movies are made. I do not say that he shares no blame, as the gun was in his hands and he fired it. But there is the Armorer who was responsible for guns and ammunition and the Assistant Director who announced “COLD GUN!” and handed it to Baldwin.

Why was any live ammunition on that movie set? Major safety violation. I’ve a relative in the industry who has worked on that movie ranch and is very familiar with the rules there. They allow no guns on the property except when brought in by the production company, and removed each and every day. No live rounds are permitted on the property at all, they would evict anyone caught with live rounds.

So where was the Armorer in all this? Was she present during the incident? Was the AD trained in gun safety and failed to check the gun personally? Was Baldwin given gun safety training to know to inspect the gun he was handed?

There is never any escaping responsibility for being the person that pulls the trigger. At the same time it must not be ignored that there are rules and procedures in place on movie sets. If we ignore all that and dump all of it on the last person to fail at safety, then the weaknesses along the way are left to fester.

Right now, with the information currently shared, I’d say the wrong of this negligent act is shared by three people at least. The Armorer, the Assistant Director who handed over the gun and the Actor who accepted and fired it.

There may be more to this. Reports saying generally unsafe conditions on the set caused the camera crews to walk off and be replaced by non-union people of less experience. Failures by the production company to provide contracted lodging. Two earlier incidents of a so-called “mis-fire” with live rounds discovered.

The fault and contributions to this tragedy are yet to be fully revealed.

He really compared his s**t movie to Unforgiven? There is no way Alec Baldwin would ever do anything even remotely close to on par with anything Clint Eastwood has ever done. Eastwood is a legend and a gentleman. Baldwin is just a loudmouth bully.

Every gun is considered loaded at all times and must be checked and rechecked to make
absolutely certain that it is not. Alec Baldwin was the last individual to have contact with
that particular firearm before it was fired. I will leave it to the reasonable, responsible
individual to surmise who then is at fault in this instance!

This reeks of deep stupid and deep hypocrisy- the M.O. of the anti gun left. Spare us the don’t condemn Alec baloney.

The idiot wants to ban guns, brags of his gunplay skills, Condemns LEO’s doing their job. Attacks the N.R.A. Makes violent threats against President Trump.

Then shoots and kills a woman.

He pulled the trigger no one else.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10123003/I-wasnt-sure-ready-Doubts-head-armorer-24-charge-guns-Alec-Baldwin-film.html

He will get off though scott free- that’s also leftist M.O.

Just ask Hunter Biden about his dumpster gun.

U/H

Always check youre weapon movie or not you just pointed and shot a live round

Did he check his weapon no or did he have anger issues with the deceaseaced.
Phuck he has gone spiral on a spouse.
Please charge him with Capitol Murder

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