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“A teenager who died after a shooting at a Florida gun rangeon Sunday was killed accidentally by his father,” reports. “The Sarasota County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement that they concluded the shooting at the High Noon Gun Shop was not intentional based on witness statements and video.”

According to police, Stephen J. Brumby, 14, and his dad, William C. Brumby, 64, were practicing in a shooting lane against a wall when the accident took place.

“After firing a round, the spent shell casing struck the wall causing it to deflect and fall into the back of (the elder) Mr. Brumby’s shirt. Brumby then used his right hand, which was holding the handgun, in an attempt to remove the casing. While doing so, he inadvertently pointed the firearm directly behind him and accidently [sic] fired,” a police statement reads.

I’ve seen shooters do the “hot casing dance” with a loaded firearm — especially females shooting with low-cut tops. But I  never once thought a gun owner would be distracted enough to use his gun hand to reach for red-hot shell casing.

Assuming that’s what happened. Any way you look at it, the man’s son paid the price for not one but two violations of the four rules of gun safety. Which is how these things go down. And why those rules have to be burned into a shooter’s subconscious to the point where nothing overrides them. I can’t recommend force-on-force training enough. Otherwise and in any case, early education and constant repetition are the key to four rule dominance.

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The mainstream media is all over this story, as part of their anti-gun rights jihad. Before the facts were known, they “promoted” as an example of the danger of kids shooting guns. Re-posting the Tweet above, repeating High Noon’s claim to be “the world’s safest gun range” and highlighting the fact that kids under 18 shoot free (ironically enough, when accompanied by a parent).

Now that we know what happened, look for the anti-gun narrative to change. But not disappear. Meanwhile, our condolences to the young man’s family (including his father), friends and colleagues; and the owners, employees and customers of the High Noon Gun Shop.

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    • Unless you wear a level 3 chemical suit, if you shoot enough, you will get burned by hot brass. It is what you do when that happens that matters. We give people Range Safety Briefings about the basic rules, but we seldom tell newbees that brass is hot, that it will not kill them, to “man up”, and safe the gun before responding to the pain.

      • So much this. I’ve had hot brass from the guy in the lane to my left land in the collar of my polo, and since it’s a polo, it stayed there. If you’re at the range, it’s part of the deal. Be aware, and make sure that those who are unfamiliar are aware of the possibility as well, and then just deal with it.

        • This. I’ve been burned several times with brass. It is easy to involuntarily do some dance and muzzle sweep everyone in efforts to stop the pain. It takes experience and a continuous mental effort to ignore the pain and make the gun safe before addressing the hot brass cartridge.

      • Absolutely true. If you haven’t experienced a hot casing going down your shirt or getting stuck between your glasses and your face, you probably just haven’t shot enough. (No sarcasm intended.)

        The “four universal gun safety rules” are for everywhere and for all time. Hell, they apply even in a gunfight!

        The consequences of failing to remember that can be catastrophic.

        • ..”getting stuck between your glasses and your face…”

          Now _that’s_ entertainment! 8>) j/k

          It only happened to e once. Once. (“Johnny Dangerously”) 8>)

      • I remember one time I was at the range with a friend years ago shooting a rented M&P45. Every shot, the casings would fly up and over into the next stall. Then at one point, a casing flew back and got stuck under his glasses. Pretty hot but still pretty funny.

      • This story is so eerie to me because it is the first thing I had my children do when I taught them how to handle a fire arm , actually it’s the first thing I taught them after the don’t point and no finger on the trigger rules , accept the burn .The actual first lessons all my kids got was how to take guns apart and put them back together . My middle daughter could disassemble a Ruger 10/22 when she was 9 . All my kids learned the mechanical function of my tools before they used them and a hot shell in your shirt collar teaches many lessons .
        I feel so terrible for this father and will pray for his healing , his families understanding and Gods grace many times and I pray that the media does make a mockery of this tragedy . It’s time for all to learn .

        • Well said. Anyone who doesn’t warn new shooters that something like this could happen needs to rethink how they teach new shooters.

    • Actually, wrap-around glasses and a well-fitting shirt with a collar buttoned up to the second from the top will prevent 99.99% of those instances.
      I have a high suspicion that the dad was wearing loose fitting clothing and the collar was wide and open.

      • I don’t like hats, but I always have a baseball cap on when I shoot. Stops hot brass from falling on my face or down the front of the shirt.

      • I bet you that he was wearing a wifebeater. I personally never button a shirt up to the top without a tie, as I’m not a scrawny hipster boi, Slav, or chicom, and I don’t wear a balaclava and hard-knuckle gloves when I shoot, either. My gun club did order some nice long-sleeved T-shirts with our logo on them though, and we always tell people to wear comfortable clothes that provide coverage over the chest, closed-toed shoes, safety glasses, a hat, and earpro. There’s no way brass can get caught on a bare arm, so it would never have enough time to burn you unless you were just spraying out casings on yourself.

    • Might be a good idea to practice turning your hand sideways and dropping the gun for things like this.

      • That sounds like a good way to get killed in a firefight. How about just learning to do things (opening doors, using the phone) with your off-hand instead? I normally shoot lefthanded because I’m left-eyed. That frees up my right hand for doing stuff that requires more finesse than pointing and shooting.

    • The guy fathered a son at 50. Not bad. But complacency comes with old age. Not the time to need much of a parent game face when a card carrying senior citizen.

    • I thought it was better train as you’d fight. In my case, loose fitting marina bum clothes.

    • Just a tragic accident. Might have been prevented, might not. Not much different than a kid dropping dead during football practice or crashing a car. It’s part of life, can’t hide in the house all day. Life is always fatal in the end.

      • This!

        There is risk to everything in life … including quite literally doing nothing.

        Live life (because you only get one go at it!) and manage the risks of life as best as you can.

      • And even if you hide in the house all day, a house is not a safe place and a lot of domestic accidents could still happen…

    • The first shot my girlfriend ever shot at the range with me, the brass bounced off the right wall of our lane, went through her hair (her hair goes just below her shoulders), and into the back of her t-shirt. She was getting burned but she kept pointing downrange while I pulled her shirt to let the brass fall to the ground. Shoot enough and it’ll happen.

        • Actually, I do too. and here I thought I was just a paranoid mutant. Thanks for saying that.

          Bottom line, I don’t really trust anyone.

    • If all facts are correct, 64 and a 14 year old son? Maybe it’s me, but I think it’s a bit out of place to have a child at 50…

    • It is not a matter of being stupid. He overreacted. At most you can say he acted human. Under certain events the human brain just shuts off. It does not matter if it is hot brass or suddenly hitting black ice and over stirring or watching a scary film scene you know is 100% fake because you paid for a ticket to sit in an uncomfortable chair with a sticky floor — in that moment — people jump and scream. Certain things take people by surprise and they loose all sense of what they are doing and simply react.

  1. I saw a Vietnam Vet (who received a Purple Heart in VN for being shot by the enemy with an AK-47) get shot in the guts by a blonde female with Ruger MkII in .22LR. A .22LR casing went down her low-cut top, then lodged in her toes (because she was wearing flip-flops) and she started dancing around with a live pistol in her hands. The unfortunate man retreated to the men’s room, putting paper towels over the entrance wound. There was no exit. The man knew that this was going to be on the evening news, and hated that he was going to become a anti-gun news story – even back in the early 90’s. He figured he survived being shot by an AK, “how bad can a .22 be?”

    Fortunately, there were several MD’s, one ER RN and a couple of EMT’s in my shooting group who knew how to react, and the unfortunate man was evacuated by helo to a well-equipped ER, where he spent the next 10 hours in the ER, getting his insides examined by a surgeon.

    Since then, I insist that any students I have on a range are wearing proper attire. Closed toe shoes are mandatory, high-necked T-shirts are mandatory. There is no negotiation on these points. If people don’t like it, I’m not taking money for my instruction, so I close it up and leave.

    • It’s not even about wearing “proper” clothing, although I accept your point and reasoning. It’s about having responsibility for yourself and your actions. I live in flip-flops, or at least I did until my current job. Now I live in flip-flops, except when I’m at work. I’ve had hot brass between my toes on more than one occasion. You know what I do? Suck it up, or just shake it out. Shaking it out does not involve dancing around like a fool, it’s just a little flick, and it’s gone. I know that brass on my toes is a possibility, and I’m willing to accept that. But then, I’m a man. Which means I don’t flinch and scream at the slightest provocation. For that matter, forget man. I’m an adult. And I act like it.

      • “I’m an adult. And I act like it.”

        Dude, in 2016 America, Land of the Lowest Common Denominator and Home of the Free Lunch, anticipating that adults will act like adults is a fool’s errand.

        Safety at the range is a deliverable of a process. It’s a product, an output like any other, from a system. Successful systems are process-driven, not people dependent. Follow the rules, utilize the right equipment, layout the facility properly, and these things won’t happen.

        • I get your point, but the range that tells me I don’t have the right shoes on is the range I don’t visit again. (To date, none have said a thing.)

        • Land of the Lowest Common Denominator– you got that right. Let’s see– the interstate system was designed to be safe at 70 in a car with drum brakes, poor tires, and no seat belts. Sixty years later… many of the speed limits are lower (when they should be much, much higher), even with safety glass, airbags, crumple zones, anti-lock disk brakes, and so forth. What changed? Kowtowing to the LCD.

      • Essentially this. If you’ve got eye pro, brass from ordinary shooting will, at worst, cause a minor burn. A week or two with ointment and you’re good.

        Dancing around like a crazy person can lead to much longer lasting consequences.

      • See, this is where I come from a different mindset. You’d be off my range in seconds, and I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass what you thought. Litigators would be all over my ass for allowing anyone to shoot in improper attire, regardless of how you handle yourself.

        I have to deal with the same nonsense in a school machine shop. In a machine shop, some of the chips & swarf coming off a high-powered machine make .22LR brass seem like little drops of tepid rain. When you dig a carbide cutting tool into a piece of steel at high speeds and feeds, you can get off chips half the size of your thumb, and the steel goes from silver to gun-blue in the blink of an eye – that means those chips are over 600 degrees F. They’re also as sharp as knives; they’ll hurt far worse than any brass ejected by a gun smaller than 20mm.

        Even after demonstrating the hazards of a modern shop, I’ve had students show up to machine shop class in goddamn sandals. I tossed them out on their ear. They whined that they didn’t want to walk back to their apartment to get their steel-toed boots. Well, then, they can sit in the corner and cry about it, or they can start walking.

        Same deal on a range. I don’t put up with excuses or explanations out of people for failure to wear proper PPE on a range – either as an instructor or a RSO – any more than I put up with excuses for failure to wear proper attire in a machine shop. I’ve got a liability when acting as the authority in a hazardous environment, and I’m seeking to limit it.

        When I’m the boss in a hazardous environment, there’s only two ways things get done: My way, or no way.

        • Machine shop is a completely different environment. Not only are the pieces hot(ter), there’s a lot (exponentially times two) more of them, and they’re wicked sharp, as you pointed out. Some of them are sharp enough to cut you just from brushing or flicking them off of you. Apples to oranges. Momentary discomfort compared to actual injury. PPE is a must in that environment.

    • Chill your tits. You’d be surprised what I have done in my life while wearing flip flops, that includes war. Hell, our enemies use them. Also, I’m in Texas, I go to the range in flip flops. I know brass is hot, I’ve been burned by them everywhere, except my toezees.

      Your story HAS NOTHING to do with flip flops, but EVERYTHING to do with the four rules and proper reactions, or the poor understanding of.

        • Allow me to reiterate. It had nothing to do with attire. What if the brass still went in the shirt but was trapped? What if the brass went in-between eye-pro and the skin? What if… what if… what iff? There’s too many what if’s, unless you’re in some sort of full-body condom. Your friend was gut-shot by a poorly trained idiot, it WASN’T the .22lr brass that did it.

          It’s all about the four rules and knowing that if brass gets trapped, you’ll live.

          Your machine shop example, is apt; but that’s because it’s basic protection standards for crap that WILL KILL YOU, unlike brass that rapidly cools and has minimal velocity.

      • If I see flip flops on anybody at a gun range, I’m assuming they have no respect for guns or people. I’m not betting my life that flip flop boy is really a Uber War Stud able to experience excruciating pain while calmly obliterating a ten ring. Range owners: have and enforce a dress policy along with all the other rules we must abide by. Not legislated, mind you. We police our own. Because we respect fellow POTG.

        • Well, I guess I’m a disrespectful kinda guy then. Feel free to walk up and offer your opinion about my footwear if we ever meet, and I’ll demonstrate how artfully disrespectful I can be.

        • Hahahahhahahhahahahahaaahahahahhahaa…haha…hahahahhahahahahahhaahahahaa.
          Clip-ity Clop. Clip-ity Clop. How is it up on your high-horse, CoolBreeze?

    • Closed toe shoes are mandatory, high-necked T-shirts are mandatory.

      But this isn’t how Josh Wayner rolls at the CMP. Full barefoot – or at most – flip flops.

      • For probably half the year, most of my shooting is done is nothing but a baseball cap and ranger panties. Of course, it’s my range, and brass can’t get caught where you ain’t got clothes.

    • So true. People just get complacent and don’t think things through. When you handle guns you take on a serious responsibility for your safety and that of the people around you. It’s that simple. A mistake could mean someone’s death.

  2. I had a hot 7.62×25 brass from my CZ52 hit the wall of my stall at an indoor range 4 weeks ago. It went right down into the back of my shirt and went right for the top of my buttcrack. It was not pleasant. I did finish the mag and then set the pistol down and removed the brass. I’ve also had hot brass from an M-249 SAW go down my BDU top and under my brownshirt after it ejected into the tree I was using for cover. I had what looked like chicken foot burn marks on my back for quite a while.You have to be discilined when that happens and embrace the suck so you don’t accidently shoot someone.

    • The worst has to be getting brass stuck between the skin and the safety glasses. The last couple times, I was on the shot timer, so I finished through the string. Nice burn mark on my head for a few days.

      • Beat me to it. My eyeglasses double as safety glasses. I had a .45 acp brass hit the stall wall and bounce back and take up residence where the earpiece and the front on the glasses join. That hinged area.


    • Yeah I had a 45 casing go down the back of my undershirt and get wedged right at the crack of my ass too; was not fun but I didn’t aim the gun at anyone. I calmly placed it down on the shooting counter and proceeded to untuck my shirt. Casing went down my leg and onto the ground but thankfully by then it was somewhat cool.

      • I shoot about 1000 rounds a week, and I thought I had hot brass fly down every crook and cranny that was physically possible. I was wrong. You have won the contest on the worst place to have hot brass.

    • hehe… a good thing about bottlenecked cartridges is the shape naturally threads itself into the chamber, can be a little misaligned and still get shoved in. I guess that becomes a disadvantage when one is boogeying toward a shooter’s crevasse.

  3. Even .22LR brass is going to be hot (for a second or two)
    You’re not on the beach – dress for the occasion.
    Certain competitions require caps to be work just for this reason.
    An unexpected “anything” may make you jump, especially someone who is jumpy.

  4. Yeah I saw this on the news. No commenting was anti-gun I saw or heard. Sad. But dad’s an idiot. Hey my brother’s youngest is 12 today and he’s 63 so this guys age is a non-starter to me…

  5. I honesty don’t know as a father if I could continue on if I was in his shoes.

    I’ve had to start putting a dress requirement rule for my basic classes, some people truly just don’t know. In a firefight in Afghanistan I dumped some SAW rounds and one got trapped between my buddies skin and flak jacket and he has a nasty, nasty scar from it.

  6. “Proper” clothing helps, but is not a panacea.

    Some things cannot be avoided.

    A long long ago I was in a welding class, wearing a t-shirt under a long-sleeved work shirt buttoned to the top, under heavy coveralls buttoned to the top, topped by a welding cap, underneath a full-coverage welder’s helmet. A spark from the booth next to me somehow made it’s way past the helmet, past the cap worn backwards with the brim covering my neck, down the collar of the coveralls, shirt, t-shirt, and thence onto my skin where it hurt like the dickens. Without time to think or not think, my hand reached back and jabbed a white-hot glowing welding rod right through all of those layers and into my back. Then, it REALLY hurt.

    The reaching movement was akin to the doctor tapping your knee to test your reflexes. No amount of training or focus or concentration or proper protective gear can ALWAYS protect everyone from every hazard.

    Shit happens.

    That being said, the hot brass reaction phenomenon cannot be “taught out” of a shooter, but perhaps it can be “learned out”.

    It has happened to me more than a dozen times over the past several decades. The first few times I jumped and twitched like a little girl. The more times it happens, it becomes less and less of a surprise and my ability to resist flailing about is a skill learned from experience.

    Not to mention the fact that I’m an old geezer now with slowing reactions to all sorts of stimuli.

    Calling the victims retards is an act that can only be performed by retards.

  7. “I never once thought a gun owner would be distracted enough to use his gun hand to reach for red-hot shell casing.”

    I know a guy who was placing an empty food can with semi-detached lid into his compacter when his back started to itch. He used the hand holding the can to scratch it.

    It took a lot of stitches to close that wound.

    Following the Four Rules minimizes screwups, but the ability of people to screw up should never be underestimated.

    • Yea I was cutting garlic one day a few years ago and dropped the knife. I have pretty good reflexes and could have caught it, well I did catch it, I mean I could have caught it and held it if it wasn’t for the slice it took off my finger. Didn’t go for stitches but I probably should have.

      Life is not safe, but that doesn’t mean we stay in the house afraid to touch anything. We try in every possible way to make it as safe as we can.

      • In high school chemistry class we were taught to jump back when we dropped something, not to try to catch it. I still have the jump back reflex. Sadly, it won’t help if the item (hot brass) is stuck on you.

  8. Why, when I eject a 30 caliber cartridge case from my rem 700, is the brass room temperature?

    • Because you left it in the chamber to cool a lot longer than a semi auto does. And your barrel was probably room temperature, unlike a semi that’s just eaten a 30 round magazine.

  9. This is an extremely sad situation and I feel for the family. However, I must also note that this was very STUPID and costly mistake on the part of the dad.

    I took my (at the time) 5 year old grandson to the range during the 2015 Christmas break. He was shooting my .22LR Ruger 22/45 for the first time and also his first time at a range (only his second time to every shoot anything). A casing went down the neck of his shirt (high neck T shirt). He reached up with his support hand and shook it loose but NEVER did anything stupid with the Ruger.

  10. Just this weekend, my M&P sailed a hot .40 case off the wall and right on the back of my neck. Of course you do first want to ‘react’, but my overriding sense of ensuring that pistol pointed down range – at all f*cking times – overrode everything else, and I calmly and slowly took my support hand and with the gun still on target and lifted my collar a little so it could fall down the back of my shirt and on the ground.

    Anyone who would use the hand that is still holding the gun to this should not be on the range frankly. This is the first thing I tell any newbies that I bring to the range – Keep the damn gun pointed down range at all frikking times. If you turn your head to say something to the person behind you – KEEP THE GUN POINTED DOWN RANGE. If you get hit by a hot case, don’t freak out and keep the GUN POINTED DOWN RANGE. When you take the gun in and out of the case, Keep it pointed down range. Down range, Down Range, Down Range.

  11. What was he gonna do with the gun in his hand? Who reaches for something with an already occupied hand?

  12. I had a shell bounce of the wall and literally stick to my forehead. If i remember correctly, it twas a tula steel 7.62×39. It just dangled in front of my eye until i flicked it away. Left a nice lil burn mark.

  13. Yeah shite happens. I nearly got killed in a factory almost 40 years ago-and it was the idiot I worked with who caused it . No excuse for being unsafe -then or now…

  14. I’ve had a red hot casing bounce off an indoor range partition & fry my temple (between glasses & skin!). It was living hell, and I had a bright red imprint of said casing for the next couple weeks burned into my temple – but I gotta say, the fact that I was still holding a loaded handgun NEVER escaped my mind.
    This guy is going to have a hard rest of his life, a very sad situation that was probably preventable if safety is the first, second, third, and only thing on your mind.
    As far as the 2nd ammendment attackers go – ask them how many deaths were attributed to drinking last week, or driving last week, or hell just only events that were due to drinking & driving combined. They don’t care about death, they just want to take our freedoms & submit to the state. If they cared about preventing deaths or accidents, there are many other hazards they’d focus on before guns.

  15. As others have mentioned, getting hit with the hot brass while you were shooting happens occasionally
    You have to keep the gun pointed downrange!
    This is a horrible tragedy but the guy was not a man
    It is weak to overreact that way
    You should have the discipline to keep the gun pointed down range

    • yes, weak. He could have set the gun down or used one hand only and been fine, and it wouldn’t have taken any longer. Unless he was going to poke the casing away with the gun. Setting down a gun with the chamber closed (and loaded) is a range faux pas, but it’s still cool with the 4 rules and would have prevented this tragedy.

      Tells me the guy had his head in the clouds. I don’t want to say what the law should be in Fla. and I wasn’t there, but if the allegations are true, I wouldn’t mind seeing this guy charged with something.

  16. This is one thing I mention to all women at the range as soon as I see them showing off their cleavage. I say not if but when a hot casing goes down your boobs put the gun DOWN. Do not react….I have seen it too many times. I show them the scars on my right forearm from hot casings. The hottest was the .357 SIG round and I still have the scars.

    The range I use is small and I always try to get the booth on the left so I only have to keep an eye out to my right side. I cannot tell y’all how many times I took a step back from shooting due to improper firearms handling. I have even packed up and just left the range.

    This is an overlooked training aspect for new shooters and it’s something I always mention. Put the gun down and then do your dance or whatever to dislodge the casing. I even had one stuck between my glasses and eyelid and calmly put down my gun and removed it as the skin was being singed. Yeah it hurt like hell but you do not react.

  17. Was ‘assisting’ a female co-worker some years ago at the (indoor) range; and she was shooting my Taurus 9MM. A hot shell went right down her blouse. She was surprised, but reacted properly by putting down the gun, and shaking it out. I reacted properly too, by saying, ‘I’ll get that for you’.

    • ” I reacted properly too, by saying, ‘I’ll get that for you’.”

      Well, yeah, but *not* with your teeth…


      • +1

        My wife has a habit of going to the range in a tank top in the summer. I always offer, but she doesn’t usually take me up on it at the range. She finally used one of my bandanna to cover up the gap. Aw, shucks. 😉

    • @gemalo that’s why intense training is imperative. In a tunnel vision moment like that muscle memory reflexes are all you can truly rely on

  18. This is a real shame and a tragedy. A single moment’s inattention with a loaded gun can be a disaster. As other posters have already said, hot brass is a risk of the trade, as they say. If you shoot enough, you WILL eventually get burned. You really need to learn to just deal with it and keep your head screwed on straight.

    I’m sure this poor guy absolutely hates himself right now.

  19. The issue here is that if you have a large enough population engaged in something eventually some retard will do something… well retarded.

    Hot brass isn’t comfortable but it’s not particularly painful either. It’s not like a glob of molten steel from welding went down your shirt. Don’t be a pussy. I took a girl to the range for her first time when I was in college. Huge boobs and a low cut shirt (no complaints from me). She got a casing down her cleavage. She simply puts the pistol down while keeping it pointed down range and plucks out the offending piece of brass then goes back to shooting. This is on her first damn day ever shooting a handgun and she’s maybe 50 rounds into that day.

    No one got hurt, nothing unsafe happened, she learned a lesson and I got laid.

    The moral of the story: take hot girls with big tits shooting on the conditions that they’re single and not retarded. It makes them horny as hell. If they’re retarded, don’t let them near a gun. The bar will get their pants (and other items of clothing) off just as fast as the gun range and a mild (MILD) case of whisky dick will have them thinking you’re a porn star.

  20. I’ve had hot 5.56 brass bounce off the armox around my ring mounted 249, and roll down my IBA neck protector. When I tried fishing it out, the thing rolled down further into my shirt, and settled at my belt line. I couldn’t do anything about it, I had to keep running my 294. I still have an almost perfect 5.56-shaped scar on my side.
    I also got tagged once on the side of my face by brass from a 240B when I was bringing up a fresh can. Good times.

    • Mall ninja stuff designed to shame you so that high speed low drag guys can have a good laugh

      Just kidding, try it out if you have the time and money. Kinda helps you realise how good you really are

    • Its an online training course available for free through YouTube. Super operational stuff. I just passed, A++

      • True Force-on-Force is not online, it’s actual training with a quality training facility, usually done with airsoft guns that actually pits you against a live opponent. It teaches you a lot more than how to stand in one spot and punch paper or even shoot and move against stationary targets like you do in USPSA matches. Don’t get me wrong, USPSA and other tactical shooting courses are great, but it’s very different when the “target” is shooting back at you.

  21. Hot brass will become cool brass, just suck it up and wait it out. If you can’t grin and bear it, maybe you shouldn’t be wielding a firearm. Compose yourselves people. Acting like a jerk, jigging and yelling around does nothing to help any situation. Stoicism or get out of my country.

  22. Am i the only guy that mans up to that piece of brass and brag about it to the wife?

    “Look how badass i was today on the range. I pressed on with this thing on the chest. Now lick it until it doesnt hurt anymore and i have another gun loaded.”

    • I don’t take any pride in it, I just know there’s a limit to what the brass can do, that it’s no biggie, and dancing around won’t help. Even if done safely somehow, dancing will probably get the range officer, if any, on my butt or make others worry that I’m a dangerous flake.

      • Agree completely.

        My wife and I go to the range weekly, and we were there today. We both had brass land where we didn’t want it to, and my 23 year old wife handled it perfectly. She quickly set the gun down facing downrange and dealt with the brass without a big fuss. She’s a lot younger than I am and a lot less experienced, and if she can do it any ‘experienced’ shooter should be able to.

        I’m sorry for this guy and his family, I really am, but I honestly cannot fathom how this sort of thing happens.

  23. I think something similar happened to a guy in North Alabama between 5 and 10 years ago. He got shot in the leg by a lady who got a hot casing down her blouse.

  24. That’s what I hate about indoor ranges…. side walls and hot brass bouncing around everywhere. Other than making sure you wear closed-toe shoes, high neck shirts (untucked), and a hat…. better train to take the hot pain for 2 seconds and be glad it’s only a minor burn mark.

  25. I don’t understand it. Hot brass hits me on top of the head, on my arms, gets stuck in my collar bone or goes down my shirt. Always kept the gun pointing downrange and used my other hand to brush it off. This must not have been ingrained in the shooter. It’s a real tragedy, but many people have rolled over their children using their own cars. Understand a dangerous situation for what it is.


    On a more serious note, this is why I wear skin-tight underclothes often while I shoot.

    On a very serious note, that poor man!

  27. it has just come out that the bullet actually ricocheted off the ceiling and hit the guys son in the head or chest. so the muzzle was not pointing at the boy – what a stunning bit of bad luck.

  28. Shameful. Guy reaches age 64 still a pansy and makes this mess. It’s not just that he had a low pain tolerance and thought his skin was so precious, it’s that he mustn’t have really understood the hazard in his hands. I wouldn’t think ill of others for soft skin, but screw this guy and his soft head.

  29. Exact reason why I wear OTW-esque eyepro and either cap or bandanna on my (Statham-bald) mug. Even if the result is ridiculously Tommy Tactical.

    Poor man.

    • I know what you are saying.

      Too many people would use this as some sort of excuse for limiting our rights under the Second Amendment. Is it a tragic incident? Absolutely. Does it happen that often compared to how many people take their kids shooing? No.

  30. Thanks for reminding me of reason # 374 why I don’t go to indoor ranges.

    Condolences to the family.

  31. Well, today we learned that he shouldn’t face ANY charges… its about INTENT. Right?
    No wait… he’s not an elite politician…

  32. I’m willing to bet this wasn’t the first time he disregarded the rules. I see scary stuff like this happen all the time at the range and people don’t think twice about it. Having had hot brass in places that didn’t feel good I never lost muzzle control.

  33. I feel great compassion is for the family in this time of tragedy.
    And while we cannot make shooting a completely safe sport, we can certainly do things to increase safety. Of course creating a culture of gun safety through training is important and has already been mentioned by dozens of people. As an engineer, I’m also interested in how to make systems and spaces safer. I wonder whether any of you have shot in ranges that had coverings on the wall, ceilings, and floors to reduce the chance of richochets. What are some of the better designs you have seen? I would be interested to learn from others. I’ve shot on ranges in the out of doors where such ricochet’s were much less likely. Though the open air posed a different risk if someone were to accidentally discharge into the air.

  34. Once the guy next to me shot the metal clip that hold the target with a shotgun at 8 ft the shrapnel came back to me and hit me in chest leaving a cut and a hole in my shirt I told the guy he was been careless and then left.

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