This Is What (Still) Happens In A ‘May-Issue’ Permitting State

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You may remember that last year, the Supreme Court handed down a ruling in New York State Rifle & Pisol Association v. Bruen. It made all the papers at the time. The Court invalidated New York’s “good cause” requirement that kept hundreds of thousands of Empire Staters from lawfully carrying a firearm (unless, of course, they were a celebrity, well-connected, or paid a fixer to walk their application through the Byzantine approval process).

Anyone who thought states like New York, New Jersey, California and a few others would take the high court’s ruling lying down and begin issuing permits to all who apply probably also believe Jeffrey Epstein was suicidal.

Rather than requiring applicants to show good cause why issuing authorities should deign to grant their request to not only keep but also bear arms, they enacted a range of Bruen response laws, designating huge swaths of their states as no-go zones for to those who do manage to get permits.

And to keep the number of permits to a minimum, New York scrapped its “good cause” language and enacted instead a requirement that carry permit applicants show “good moral character.” In practice, that gives state officials virtually the same kind of subjective discretion over who can and can’t get a carry permit as they had before Bruen was handed down. New York still largely remains a “may issue” jurisdiction.

Most of these states are facing court challenges to the Bruen response laws they’ve enacted, but in the mean time, what does that kind of discretion mean in practice? Watch the video above that describes what one New Yorker has gone through and why a legitimate defensive gun use a decade ago is allegedly keeping him from getting a permit to carry today.

And so it goes.

P.S. If you’re interested, here’s our post from 2012 on the little mishap Judge Vincent Sgueglia had in the Tioga County courthouse (mentioned in the video above).

 

 

 

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36 COMMENTS

  1. About an hour ago…..ARMS BAN WIN: Federal Appeals Court (9TH CIRCUIT) Finds Hawaii’s Knife Ban Violates 2nd Amendment.

    • Knives are arms and quiet and so are rifle bayonets. The Illinois attempt to ban suppressors by trying to call them an Accessory is backdoor Gun Control.

      The Right to Keep and Bear Arms means Arms. The sound Arms make or do not make is no legitimate basis to decide if The People can put a damned muffler on a firearm.

      • “Knives are arms and quiet and so are rifle bayonets.”

        If only you were as silent as a knife or bayonet.

        But, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 🙁

        • Geoff, give me a call tomorrow. 860-694- 9405. I know you’re in Florida. I’ll be in Gilcriist County picking up that Sig P 226 MK 25 in a couple of days. I have to wait for Mike to get back from a business trip on Ohio. Debbie your welcome to call me also. Anytime. As long as you keep a civil tounge in your head.

        • I’ll keep a civil tongue, although I’ll likely be chortling with laughter as I mock that brain-dead dingbat… 😉

        • well looky there geoff was correct all along- she does enjoy coprophilia.
          gadsden, i’m sure geoff is aware that you’re area code is slightly different than what you posted.

  2. NY, NJ, etc. need to be on the receiving end of a consent decree requiring them to seek permission of the courts before any change to any law touching on the 2nd Amendment can go into effect

  3. Show good moral character to vote. Or to own property. Or to speak. Or to hold elected office(I know, I know, an impossible bar)

    Why is anybody surprised when Fascists fascist?

      • I am not a churching man. But here in CA during the scandemic the liqour stores were still open and so where the titty bars. But they closed the churches.

        That was some world class bullshit right there.

        • “But here in CA during the scandemic the liqour stores were still open and so where the titty bars. But they closed the churches.”

          If you are not debilitated by being blind drunk, or hypnotized by hanggie-banggies, you are a threat to government.

  4. There is a reason “charged”, rather than “convicted” is used in all sorts of applications. Such a wording is useful in all sorts of circumstances, where some one wants to hang a brand on you for the rest of your life. Or avoid potential liability for an adverse action they visited on your for whatever purpose.

    • Sounds to me like a good reason to check “no” on that question, and if ever asked, just look all innocent and say you thought it meant convicted.

      After all, why else would that question be asked in the first place? 🙂

    • “I agree with Jack. Stay where you are and fight your own battles. Don’t take your troubles to Red States.”

      Ни шагу назад – not one step backward
      keinen Schritt zurück – not one step backward

      Worked for Uncle Joe, but not for Adolph.

      My take – When you are being overrun, you are on your own; we’re busy over here. Living to fight another day is grossly overrated.

  5. Politicians whose families are criminals are naturally going to hate the idea of honest citizens defending themselves.

  6. There should be no cases filed sgainst NY except plain and simple contempt of court that should have high punitive costs to those states.

    • class action for deprivation of rights at 1mil per plaintiff plus costs.
      Wonder how many gun owners there are in NY?
      NJ? cali?

      • Honestly tough number to pin down but more than 2 million less than 10 with a lot of inherited forgotten firearms for NY. No idea for NJ

  7. “…unless, of course, they were celebrity, well-connected, or paid a fixer to walk their application through the Byzantine approval process…”

    This is not correct. NY gun laws are awful, and getting worse, but in most of the state, permits were granted to ordinary, unconnected citizens (subjects?) without resort to any of the above. The hoops were onerous and unconstitutional upstate, but I think it was only NYC where wealth and political connections were a requirement. Now with CCIA, who knows? I moved away and never looked back.

    It’s easy to conflate NYC with the rest of the state, but they aren’t the same. NY State is an awful state for guns. NYC is in a whole ‘nother league.

    • The tyrants are throwing a temper tantrum because they can no longer legislate from the SC bench. It’s the same with abortion. They’re fine with killing the baby up until birth or even after. They’re moving to take away parental rights. Your children belong to the state. If a child wants to ruin their reproductive system, the state will assist them without worrying about the parents (or any other consequences). In the end, they can have their willful oppression in blue states.

      We need help purging RINOs and remaking the party in red and purple states. That’s how we can have an amicable split. That’s how we end up ultimately taking power away from the federal government. They can have a few states to create their utopia. There’s no other way around it. Over time we can hope to change the culture and push the commies back into the shadows.

    • “ This is not correct. NY gun laws are awful, and getting worse, but in most of the state, permits were granted to ordinary, unconnected citizens (subjects?) without resort to any of the above. The hoops were onerous and unconstitutional upstate,”

      This is true . They’re 100,000s of us ordinary folks with permits and millions with guns in NYS . It’s no gun owners paradise that’s for sure , but so,many confuse NYC with NYS.

  8. Part of the issue here in NYS is it’s done by county . In my county last I knew there was 70,000 of us with carry permits , including my family friends and co workers , none of us rich , famous or politically connected, we just filled out all the forms , paid our money and waited a few months , yes it’s a pain here for sure .

    Each county and some judges put their own twist on things , what’s interesting is the guy in the video lives in a rural county , where I live in a much more urban one .

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