There Is No COVID-19 Exception In The United States Constitution

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The FBI has wants FFLs to know that the current high gun buying volumes and shut-down-related background check delays extend the “Brady Transfer Date” hold time that dealers must observe when a purchase is put in delayed status.

Should a state choose to limit days of operation by completely closing state offices one or more days a week or even indefinitely, this could potentially impact the Brady Transfer Date (BTD) by changing the time in which an FFL can legally transfer a firearm in a delayed status. The NICS Section urges FFLs to be cognizant of the impact this may have to your day-to-day operations, and also to stress the importance of adhering to the BTD that is provided to you at the time a transaction is put into a Delay status.

That means if your purchase is held for some reason and is classified as “delayed,” it could be days or weeks before your retailer can release the firearm.

My rights do not flow from the government. My rights do not depend on whether a government bureaucrat isn’t working.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

A right to life presupposes a right to protect that right, a.k.a. self defense. That right presumes a right to appropriate tools for defense, a.k.a. firearms and ammunition.

The Supreme Court agrees with that assessment; see District of Columbia v. Heller.

As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate, the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right.

The right to appropriate tools for defense of life presupposes the right to acquire them. Even the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has confirmed that.

If ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms’ is to have any force, the people must have a right to acquire the very firearms they are entitled to keep and to bear. One cannot truly enjoy a constitutionally protected right when the state is permitted to snuff out the means by which he exercises it.

Contrary to the views of Martin Luther King, Jr., courts have held that background checks and waiting periods that delay rights are acceptable, if they are kept to the minimum necessary to meet a compelling governmental interest.

But an indefinite delay, far in excess of even that imposed by an unconstitutional law, for arbitrary purposes, caused by a bureaucratic fear that something might happen to them is a right that has been flat out denied. That is wrong.

Denying people the right to purchase defensive implements even as jails are releasing inmates across the country is insane.

Denying life-preserving tools to people even as police are telling us they won’t respond to many calls is evil. This bureaucratic attempt to sidestep the law is bad enough. Worse yet are the jurisdictions which codify stripping people of their rights arbitrarily.

What should happen to those people goes beyond “vote them out.” It begins with 18 U.S. Code § 241 and 18 U.S. Code § 242, and can be extremely serious.

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  1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

    Hopefully the recent run on guns & ammo has woken enough fence-sitters up to what’s really been going on (does that mean they’re legitimately “woke” now?).

    This entire situation has underscored the importance of preparing and being ready for an emergency before it happens.

    The Minutemen of 2020.

    1. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

      Ah-hah! We can use that word “Woke”, too. It’s been used by the left to insult us for too long.

    2. avatar M says:

      As soon as flu season is over, most of them will forget they bought (or tried and failed) a gun, and they’ll resume their anti 2A craziness, fueled by the daily MSM brainwashing. History has taught me that…..well, this kind of idiots NEVER learn anything.

      1. avatar burley says:

        Case in point: They forgot about gun control the instant their fear shifted to life without toilet paper. All of the fears drummed up by the MSM have a kernel of truth to them, that’s why they work, and work well by people that are ignorant of history and it’s one overarching lesson that the most dangerous plague known to man is Government.

      2. avatar mickey garlock says:

        Which U.S. President has ever tried to take guns or accessories away? Oh yeah, only Trump, he made Bump Stocks illegal.

  2. avatar Lost Down South says:

    Trump better start talking up 2A even more. More people might hop the fence seeing that they have been lied to and thrown under the bus for 50 years.

    That being said…before the election, and ESPECIALLY after another Trump win (should that occur), expect extreme false flag shootings.

    I really hate the left for polluting my brain like this.

    1. avatar Craig in IA says:

      Hop the fence for Biden?

      1. avatar Steponbugs says:

        …the opposite.

  3. avatar Ed Schrade says:

    I haven’t seen in the Bill of Rights where it says that the government can kinda restrict you rights. It would be nice to see states tell the feds that we are under an emergency order and therefore the illegal background check restrictions on our rights have been suspended.

    1. avatar MtnDewey says:

      concur, and actually one step further; all illegal gun laws gone.

    2. avatar Someone says:

      I would love to see that too. Unfortunately, historically power flows from the people’s hands to the government with few small back streams here and there. Each crisis, real or invented, only ups the pressure and tends to speed up the process of exchanging real freedom for imagined safety.

    3. avatar The Huscarl says:

      “Amendment V: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without DUE PROCESS OF LAW; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” (emphasis mine”

      The amendment implies that your life, liberty or property can be violated by the government so long as due process is followed.

      Whether or not this is due process is another question entirely.

      Honest question, was Germ Theory a thing when the Constitution was written?

      1. avatar Ron says:

        I don’t know, but the founders were definitely aware of plagues. They’d have nothing against taking measures to prevent its spread. Not a single one of those measures would include gun control though.

        1. avatar The Huscarl says:

          ^ True statement. I’m not fine with additional gun control in a crisis. I am fine with shutting down gun shops as “non-essential” businesses because shoppers and shop keepers can spread the disease to each other. Laws regarding carrying and possession should not be modified during a crisis.

        2. avatar RidgeRunner says:

          I’m not fine with it at all, if they want to be open and people want to go in there. Personal responsibility and all that.

      2. avatar Ge Wi says:

        People should remember we are in a national emergency read this

        42 U.S. Code § 5207. Firearms

        TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 241 Conspiracy against rights
        TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242 Deprivation of rights under color of law

    4. avatar M says:

      The states? lol yeah right. The states and some municipalities are also shutting down the 2A “business.” It’s certainly not just the feds. Did you miss the article 1-2 days ago explaining how the libtard in charge of the division of licensing in FL shut down the CCW process? In some cities, mayors took action to infringe on 2A rights as we’ve rarely seen before.

    5. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Only the president can declare martial law, which removes the legal protections of your rights.

      They have been handing out papers to “essential” workers so they don’t get arrested for being out during lock down and after curfew. Yup, “show me your papers.”

      There is talk that Trump wants to stop his tyranny now that he is going to get the trillions he wanted. He doesn’t care what will happen after Easter. The corporate media and the medical industry wants to lock down America for months. There is a struggle for power, the people lose either way.

      It’s clear that every corrupt ass person in government is trying to grab as much money and power they can while everyone is scared and locked in their homes.

  4. avatar MtnDewey says:

    the Brady bill(written by Schumer), clearly states that if there is no definitive answer for a no sale to the dealer in 3 days, the dealer has the discretion to sell the gun.

    1. avatar Someone says:

      They say it’s three business days. And as the particular branch of byrocracy closes (meaning there are no business days that really matter in their mind), you can wait indefinitely. How simple! How convenient!

      Reminds me of certain trick, where you can buy a brand new machine gun as long as you pay an exorbitant tax and register it. Then the register gets closed… No ban necessary, only demand a byrocratic process and then disable compliance with it. Pure genius! https://youtu.be/gY2k8_sSTsE

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        Reminds me of how the New York purchasing system is done. When you apply for a pistol license, they only have so many days in which they must complete the process. I forget how many. But they often get backlogged. So what do they do?

        They don’t allow you to apply. You have to make an appointment to even pick up the application and to turn it in.

        So they complete the process in the time allotted but you’ve waited 3 months additional to that just to begin.

    2. avatar neiowa says:

      Chuckie isn’t bright enough to write the entire alphabet.

  5. avatar Hydguy says:

    More unconstitutional ‘edicts’ from the BATFE.
    State shutdowns have nothing to do with the Brady bullshit holds.
    It’s federal. If a state gov’t closes down, it has no effect on the Brady bullshit at the federal level.
    The BATFE can go fuck it’s self.

    1. avatar California Richard says:

      Is the BATFE shut down? Are the FBI and DOJ shut down too? The way they are making excuses about how they are incapable of doing their jobs sure makes it sound like they are! If there is no DOJ, no FBI, and no ATF, then are there any federal gun laws that need to be followed? What is the impetus to obey social engineering laws if there is nobody to enforce those laws?

  6. Don’t believe that the FBI has the authority to do this. [Not that any ‘gun law’ has Constitutional validity to begin with.] As they are confined by Brady to provide a “Yes/No” answer in three business days. And if no answer from the NICS is received then the firearm can legally be transferred.

    1. avatar Someone says:

      See my comment above about what ‘business day’ means when you hold the power.

      1. Someone – “See my comment above about what ‘business day’ means when you hold the power.”

        Irrelevant. If they don”t return the call within three business days then the firearm can legally be transferred according to federal law. And THAT is a FACT, as I’ve done it numerous times. And even had the local cops and BATF agents come in after a transfer in order to get the info off of the 4473 in order to track the purchaser down. And they aren’t even allowed to take the 4473 with them, they have to write down the info. or copy it.

  7. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

    A right delayed is a right denied. Thus the proof.

  8. avatar American Patriot says:

    This only applies to the new liberal gun people not the Constitutional gun people cause WE already have what we need!😎😎😎

    1. avatar cool bearded guy says:

      Thomas Jefferson would kick you in the nuts while Madison held you for being so foolish. You also need to look learn the definition of liberal, it doesn’t mean progressive or socialist.

      1. avatar American Patriot says:

        Like I said….I’m not worried, I have what I need! If you don’t that’s on you! This will forever change the future & if Trump isn’t re-elected it will be the norm…..I’m not making the rules just stating the FACTS!

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Very immature, AP. We all agree that others *should* have been more prepared, but now that they’re opening up to the realities of gun ownership, would it be better to point our fingers at them while saying “I told you so!” and sitting atop our stacks of ammo, or guiding them into a better stance so they can not only become prepared, but will change their voting habits and kick the anti-gunners out?

        2. avatar American Patriot says:

          If you think that will change their voting habits than your as stupid as they are! If the last 10 years haven’t shown you that…..then You probably need to be Red Flagged!

        3. avatar strych9 says:

          Troll harder douchebag.

        4. avatar American Patriot says:

          You’re on the wrong site for a Bernie supporter!!

        5. avatar Eric Swalwell says:

          You tell them American Patriot! Put these maniacs in their place!… I may have a spot open in the New American Government when this is all over. I won’t say much here, but it rhymes with “muclear vepons”. PM me my friend.

          Eric Swalwell 2020

      2. avatar Debbie W. says:

        Not so fast o’ bearded one with a ball kicking anger issue…Since 99 9/10% of liberals are known to lay down with progressive, socialist, marxist dogs they share the same fleas. That means the dictionary definition of liberal no longer applies and is null and void.

        1. avatar Someone says:

          Newspeak at work. Liberals are anti freedom, war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.

      3. avatar 0352 says:

        Cool Beard,
        You are referring to “Classical Liberalism” which arose from the so-called Enlightenment. Today the term Liberal is generally understood to mean those left of center on the political spectrum. Today’s Conservatives are much closer in their political philosophy to Classical Liberals than are 99% of what most refer to as Liberals. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would understand.

        1. avatar oldguy52 says:

          This…. ^^^This right here^^^

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “This…. ^^^This right here^^^”

          Yes, yes. It’s true.

          And totally irrelevant. The term “conservative” is also 180 out from its original meaning. The language of the culture has moved on.

          The political term “Liberal” has indicated big government, nanny state, since 1960 (at least).

  9. avatar Debbie W. says:

    If the virus doesn’t kill you disgust will. There are plenty of out of work clerical workers that can do checks, etc.
    Frankly…If one deranged Trump Hating democRat had a cure for 19 and they thought withholding it would remove Trump from office I would not put it past one of those self serving ratbassturds to do so. After the past 3 years of a concocted witch hunt and now during a crisis situation they are denying citizens their rights. Demented self serving bureaucrats are never to be trusted.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      The new Gallup poll with Trump popping to 60% approval has already raised a few pulses and sullied a few shorts on the Democratic side the aisle.

      Then there’s Bernie and Pelosi working hard at political seppuku.

      I expected the Democrats to implode this year, but not in March.

      1. avatar Southern Cross says:

        Do you think the COVID19 caused panic might be eye and mind opener for some? Combined with releasing prisoners and not arresting criminals has finally revealed the moral corruption of the Democrats.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          It might be. Some will forget it in a year or so but some will not.

          The changes I’ve noted in public around here are really noticeable. People are far more cordial at a grocery store for instance. Loads of people are out walking around on paths and roadways for exercise, even some seriously overweight people. People are driving more courteously too.

          As my neighbor noted “Tell the fat folks to get off the couch and stop watching TV or playing video games and they don’t listen. But as soon as the government says ‘Please, stay inside with your TV and video games they’re all ‘Fuck you, I’m gonna go outside and walk around!'”.

        2. avatar jwm says:

          S9. In the bay area traffic is lighter because folks aren’t working. Fewer cars. Less stress when you do go out. People seem to be less angry and on edge. At least in traffic and on the street.

        3. avatar strych9 says:

          jwm:

          Maybe it’s a reduction in stress but I don’t think that’s a huge part of it around here. People are using their turn signals, respecting the right of way, waving at each other… it’s like they suddenly noticed that other cars have people in them.

          That said, I’ve noted for a couple of years that Audi driver’s seem to be the biggest dicks in this area and I’ve seen no Audis in the last couple of days. Maybe everyone’s just happy the Audi driver’s are holed up and hiding out.

        4. avatar RidgeRunner says:

          People are pretty friendly around here in general (middle Tennessee), but I’m also noticing people are being even nicer, more respectful, and polite in their interactions. Finally, traffic is down but not a total shutdown. People are doing what they need to, we’re making sure our older folks have what they need and encourage them to stay home. The stores are back closer to normal, actually found TP and PT on the shelf in a Dollar General yesterday, along with milk, eggs, basic foodstuffs. Still no Clorox wipes or hand sanitizer on the shelf. The weather is beautiful and the fishing is good.

  10. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    My rights do not flow from the government. My rights do not depend on whether a government bureaucrat isn’t working.

    Ruling Class response:

    “A serf said that?!?!? Bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! What a knee slapper! Bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!”

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      This is far more true than a lot of people would like to admit.

      Even worse, the folks slappin’ knees are not, at this point in time, wrong.

      1. avatar RGP says:

        But the current Democratic Party elite has forgotten that draconian creeps are useful for something, for example, Mussolini made a fabulous Christmas ornament.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          Starts to stink by New Year’s though.

      2. avatar Someone says:

        Sad, but true. Question is, what are we going to DO about it?

        Writing letters and calling doesn’t work, even rallying and protesting doesn’t work. See Virginia – after huge protests, all except one anti rights bills passed and that one which didn’t got only pushed down for later.

        Now we can’t even hold rallies to protest. Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day was planned for Apr. 1st. It got tentatively rescheduled for May 13th, 2020.

        Filling witness slips against bad bills doesn’t work. There were anti rights bills passed with hundreds slips opposing them against about dozen supporting.

        Vote? It’s harder and harder to find any candidate to vote for, who actually abides by the Constitution and doesn’t just pay lip service to “supporting” it. Even Biden and Beto will tell you they “support the 2A” right before they call for bans on whole classes of arms.

        Trump takes millions of dollars from gun owners through the NRA and promises unwavering support to the 2A. Then he laughs at Congress critters who, in his words, are afraid of the NRA. He bans bump stocks and calls for red flags and “take guns first, due process later”, getting old DiFi all hot and bothered.

        Sue? After spending years and hundreds of thousands in courts, the SCOTUS may or may not grant cert. Then it may or may not decide that we can indeed keep what’s left of our constitutionally protected rights, only to be ignored by next gun grabber who knows better what’s best.

        The question remains: what do we do?

        1. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “The question remains: what do we do?”

          Go home, and watch “Bronco”.

  11. avatar DesertDude says:

    While I’m not quite a “prepper,” I always keep several weeks of food on hand, rotating through the stock as I buy more. Likewise with ammunition and cash. I am constantly reviewing my self-defense needs in light of current conditions and technology, so I sell older firearms and buy new ones, within my budget and the law. I also limit my debt, and make sure I can take care of expenses for several months.

    To me, this is just prudence; good, old-fashioned American thrift and preparedness, which has almost disappeared over the last fifty years.

    But if you would listen to my family, I’m a paranoid freak. Given the current environment, I look like an absolute genius, and those family members that mocked me are begging for cash, ammo, and even firearms. I am also somewhat prepared for the unsurprising power grab by our corrupt politicians: I’m stocked up, and it’s much harder to confiscate than it is to block sales altogether.

    I am sure the participants in this forum think similarly and are well prepared.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      DesertDude,

      I also limit my debt, and make sure I can take care of expenses for several months.

      Kudos to you for being a wise, responsible, prepared person.

      I am sad to report that, in my opinion, there is a non-trivial possibility that most of us will be facing trying to take care of expenses for several years without income.

      Whether or not that comes to pass boils down to how quickly we come out of the other side of this virus. If we all go back to work/business within 6 weeks, it will be a work/business/economic speedbump and everything will return to normal in fairly short order. If it takes 4 months before we all go back to work/business, I fear that will trigger a nasty recession and it will take as long as two years to recover. If it takes 6 months before we all go back to work/business, I fear that will trigger a depression and it will probably take 10 to 20 years to recover from that. I really, REALLY hope that I am totally wrong.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        I think the recession fears are a bit overblown. Certainly there’s reason for caution in that regard but there’s also historical reason to suspect that it won’t be as bad as the doomsayers predict.

        The 1918 Spanish Flu killed 675,000 Americans. Research indicates that the economic effects were severe. The Eighth Federal Reserve District reported that the grocery business took a 33% hit to it’s bottom line. Department stores in large cities lost $15,000/day ($200k plus in modern dollars). It was crazy and everyone thought doom was right around the corner.

        Yet a couple years later we get the “Roaring Twenties”.

        1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

          strych9,

          I would agree with all that except for one possible difference: our society (either voluntarily or at a governmental level) is trying to shut down almost everything for what could end up being a few months or possibly even several months. Did society try to shut down almost everything back in 1918 during the Spanish Flu?

        2. avatar strych9 says:

          Some government entities did. There is a city in SE Colorado, the name escapes me at the moment, that entirely closed itself off and was the only city nationwide with 0 cases.

          Mostly it seems that unlike today, most people at the time voluntarily did what we’re being asked to do, which is what caused the economic disruption at the time.

          In my appraisal the comparison comes out basically a wash. The main difference now being our dependence on China which could go either way. It might motivate a huge change for the better or things could get worse. Either way, opportunities exist on this front if the country chooses to take advantage of them.

          Personally I see certain things happening today that suggest that the country is going in the right direction having realized a number of realities at home and abroad which I don’t think are going to go ignored.

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      Ditto. I took prudent precautions for Y2K. Nothing that was inconvenient but could be useful.

      With COVID19, or the Chinese Virus, I’ve been buying a little extra each time I shop. I have enough of most things to last at least a month.

    3. avatar Perry says:

      DesertDude,

      You are to be commended for your forward-thinking. If your relatives really want firearms and ammo, offer them for 2-3x the price that you paid. In my house, we call it a “stupid tax” – the price that stupid people pay because they’re unwilling to think ahead and take responsibility for themselves and their own.

      I see that my favorite ammo – Fed HST – is now at $.80/rd. A few months ago, it was half that price. I bought duty rounds last summer, and some HST pulls during the fall and winter. Those are now built, and I have enough. The pantry is full. The freezer is full of last November’s venison. We even have toilet paper without having to buy any – ha!

      As a former Boy Scout, I say “be prepared.” Best wishes to you and yours.

    4. avatar Mercury says:

      Unless you’re a centenarian, replacing your firearms in the name of modernization is probably a bit much.

      Wait, is your wife is reading this? Disregard the above. It’s an absolute must, yes ma’am. Firearms become hopelessly obsolete every couple of years, you know. Gotta keep up with the times.

  12. avatar Dr Schmancy says:

    The constitution is not a suicide pact. Everyone has to sacrifice something.

    1. avatar jwm says:

      It’s not about suicide or sacrifice. It is about individual rights and liberties. Step on the rights of a single individual and you are no different from stalin, mao, pol pot, hitler.

      Fascism is alive and well in this country. It lives in antifa and the democratic party.

      1. avatar dootdootboop says:

        Last I checked, Trump was in charge of the executive branch but hey keep blaming democrats

        1. avatar jwm says:

          Dems are the governors and locals that have actively attempted to shut down gun stores and step on civil rights in the process. Trump doesn’t run CA or NYC or NJ to name a few.

          But thanks for playing, troll boy.

    2. Dr Schmancy says: The constitution is not a suicide pact. Everyone has to sacrifice something.

      Which has ALREADY been covered in detail within the Constitution and the rights SECURED by that SUPREME instrument. And anything that conflicts with that SUPREME instrument is NULL and VOID.

    3. avatar Someone says:

      No. My rights and rights of my children are not to be sacrificed just because you got scared by a particular virus.
      Excuse me when I refuse to panic on demand. People die every day for any number of reasons.
      For a little perspective:

      “Flu season in the US, which runs from October through May, claims tens of thousands of lives every year. This season CDC estimates that, as of mid-March, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses.” https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

      There was around 24,000 deaths so far caused by Covid-19… in the whole wide world.
      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

      Why should we ruin our economy and give up our human rights again?

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        Without defending, I think the panic is understandable…sorta.

        A new lethal disease is just scary to many everyday individuals. There is little known, and little the public can do (at first) to evaluate the threat. Once the disease is known to prosper among humans, the fear goes up. Because the disease is new, no one knows who has it, or what the symptoms might be. Thus, any difference in the behavior of a person sends the fear signal to that individual, and those around them. Once the media and “science” get a hold of the new disease, dire predictions are almost always the next step. Because little is know about the new disease, anything might happen. And that includes an epidemic on the scale of the Bubonic Plague, and the Spanish Flu. In other words, an almost incomprehensible number of deaths, usually in a short time. Rapid spread of the disease makes it seem like the thing is just unstoppable. Fear reaches stratospheric levels. People are then willing to do just about anything to stop the disease.

        The next step (in modern times) is “the media” begins to shout “Run away. Run Away” 24/7. Even though the predictions of disease spread and lethal effect are slow and seldom in the beginning, politics now takes over. In order to reach certain political goals (more funding for the arts, every human can vote, etc.), the projected course and damage of the disease must be advertised as world-changing, maybe humanity-ending. At this point, data an real science are meaningless. Full-blown panic abounds, and self-preservation drives out all other considerations.

        When looking at the reports of the mutant cold virus today, the numbers, compared to the world population, are insignificant…but who knows? Tomorrow, half the population of the planet to be dead. The underlying threat is that we are very early in the epidemic, and it could turn geometric overnight. We just don’t know. But what we do know is enough to allow raw politics to frighten the population, non-stop.

        I mentioned, “we don’t know” several times. All we really know right now is that which is knowable. We know a certain number of diagnoses indicate X-percentage of the public is confirmed (?) to have the Mexican Beer Virus, and we know the numbers of suspected cases. We also know the number of deaths, and the number of full recoveries. What we don’t know is the number of people who are infected, but undiscovered. We also do not know the number of the unknowns who will test positive, experience symptoms, recover, or die. And that is scary, feeding the idea that half the world population could die from the virus.

        If a society is faced with such potential heavy loss of life as is being headlined every hour, the choices are pretty much binary: do something; do nothing. If “doing something” is likely to be, or presented to be, relatively temporary, people will trade off certain advantages in order to keep the population from heavy numbers of deaths. In the political climate of the day, people will not be interested in the details of how the trades really affect them, they intuitively know that if they are dead, what they traded for a chance at safety is irrelevant.

        Faced with a deadly communicable disease, the tribe must decide whether to risk extinction by allowing all its members to just carry on, or is the survival of the tribe more important than any one, or group of people who could devastate the tribe. Indeed, it is the very question underlying all notions of war in America since at least 1900. Is the threat so deadly that the life of the tribe itself is threatened? If so, some individuals will have to sacrifice to defend and prosper the tribe. Is the threat sufficient to justify such sacrifice? At the moment, it is impossible to accurately evaluate the question. Wait and see, or be pro-active in hopes the defense itself doesn’t destroy the tribe?

  13. avatar enuf says:

    The ATF has been a bloody disgrace since it began. In fact, the very first instance of them violating laws and shooting innocent people was in 1971 when they raided a man’s apartment over ornamental or inert “hand grenades” commonly sold in Army-Navy surplus stores, breaking down a door as he was in a shower, shooting him in the head as he appeared with a cap and ball black powder revolver as it was all he had to defend himself against what he rightly thought was a home invasion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ballew_raid

    From there onward the ATF has repeatedly killed innocents, gotten law enforcement officers killed, gotten their own agents killed, violated their own rules always and has a history of protecting incompetence by promoting those that cause needless death and destruction.

    Hell yes, the ATF should be disbanded and the bulk of their responsibilities repealed from Federal law.

    Only the explosives experts should be retained, and moved to the FBI as techs and science staff, not as gun carrying cops.

    1. avatar Waylon says:

      “Herp derp derp derp I blame Trump for everything” – enuf.

      Go suck start pelosi’s strap on.

      1. avatar enuf says:

        What the fuck is your mental defect anyway? Trump is not involved in this, the history of the ATF getting people killed and persecuting innocents is the point. Your TDS is showing something fierce!

        1. avatar Waylon says:

          Shut up fag.

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      F-Troop agents have such a bad reputation that while other agencies would like to take over their jobs, none of the other agencies wanted to take the ATF agents.

    3. avatar frank speak says:

      their arson people are pretty good too…after that there’s a pretty steep drop-off…

  14. avatar Country Boy says:

    Now dammit why isn’t our government tossing 52 million, then ,92 million, and whatever else money the @#$%^&* democrat commies have spent *our tax dollars* on trying to remove Trump from office the last 3 yrs ,and spend it towards properly staffing the BATF with enough personell and tech wizardy & computers to handle ALL possible workloads? You know, spend taxpayer dollars on things that benefit taxpayers.

    Looks like that’ll never happen in America,. Maybe We The people will get lucky and covid19 will take commie dems from our midst.

    1. avatar enuf says:

      Trying to remove Trump from office is a patriotic duty. He is a complete failure, incompetent in the extreme and a threat to our country.

      Curiously, this is also a good description of the ATF in it’s many bloody screwups over its entire history.

      1. avatar Waylon says:

        Shut the fuck up Retard. I bet in real life your too scared to talk shit about Trump. Go shill for Wal Mart some more.

        1. avatar enuf says:

          How about … No.

          Trump is no friend to gun owners, is not a conservative and is a Republican only as a matter of political strategy. Were we to get rid of him, we would get a Republican in the White House.

          Which is what gun owners want, so what’s the problem?

        2. avatar Waylon says:

          Maybe if you weren’t such a retard you wouldn’t have such a stupid opinion.

        3. avatar jwm says:

          Without Trump we would have had hillary in office. That is too horrible to dwell on.

      2. avatar Ron says:

        Enuf Trump stepped up and did what needed to be done. If we had a democrat in office we’d still be letting in “virus refugees” as we speak.

        1. avatar enuf says:

          Trump hasn’t done shit other than fuck things up.

          And the choice was not between Trump or a Democrat. The choice was between a real conservative or Trump back in the primary season. Gun owners lost when Trump won the Republican nomination, and a hell of a lot of us predicted it. Now he’s made a mess out of a pandemic, of all things.

          Clinton was not going to win regardless. She’s just too damned incompetent, too damned shrill and defensive. Any skilled politician would have destroyed the bitch in the debates.

          But instead, we got us a con man and Clinton damned near won. If not for the Electoral vote, she’d of beat the con man by several million votes.

          That should never have been possible.

          Or do you still believe Trump’s big fat lies about a landslide win?

        2. avatar Dude says:

          “Or do you still believe Trump’s big fat lies about a landslide win?”

          306 to 232 is a definitive win if not a landslide. Haters love clinging to the “But he lost the popular vote!” It’s completely meaningless since that isn’t what determines the winner.

        3. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “306 to 232 is a definitive win if not a landslide. ”

          Well, I dunno. Reading the MSM (and watching their cable news), Trump barely defeated Hilary in the EC vote.

      3. avatar GS650G says:

        That’s enuf out of you for today

        1. avatar enuf says:

          Not yet, but my work day does begin early.

          Oh and without Trump we’d have an actual conservative in office now. Clinton always was an incompetent campaigner, I never believed she’d win a Presidential election.

        2. avatar possum says:

          Voters give to much credit to a president. . The Prez really doesn’t do all that much

        3. avatar Hugh Glass says:

          I miss the REAL Possum. And his gunms.

      4. You can go straight to hell with your fellow lie-beral pieces of shit. If it wasn’t for Trump than that treasonous bitch Hitlery would have been in office, you insipid dolt. And then where do you think our rights would be?

        Stick it straight up where the sun don’t shine, you treasonous p.o.s.

      5. avatar Mitch says:

        Yeah, Enuf, I’m gonna pile on here. You suck!

      6. avatar James Campbell says:

        Hey enuf, who are you trying to impress by posting this BS?

        Sound familiar? Anyone you know?

  15. avatar Darkman says:

    You know I understand both sides of the argument. The problem is. This problem didn’t start today, last month or even last year. It has been going on since before April 19 1775 There comes a time when People who choose to cede their Rights must be allowed to Learn the lesson of their folly. Even if it costs them their lives. There also comes a time when the People who treasure their Rights. Stand up and say No More. When their Rights are being Usurped. And face the consequences of that stance. even if it costs them their lives. The Founding Patriots came to understand this and made their choice. It cost many their lives. Never getting to experience the Freedom they sacrificed for. I constantly see bitching and whining on this site as well as others. Yet all I see is Blah Blah Blah. Words regardless of the ferocity will change nothing. When screamed at people who will not listen and hold no fear of their speaker. Keep Your Powder Dry.

  16. avatar GS650G says:

    Ask Beto the bitch how long he would delay background checks as Biden’s gun ban case?

    It would measured in years.

  17. avatar Sam I Am says:

    The premise of the article is correct, but irrelevant in the moment. The rules were set long before this virus mess. And in Heller (1 and 2) and McDonald, the SC did not find a hook where it could render background checks void. Like NFA and GCA, background checks are here to stay, and likely would have the SC declare that government indeed has the constitutional power to regulate sales because…tradition and precedent.

    This article/posting is a lengthy declaration of “Shall Not Be Infringed”, with the same value in the discussion.

    1. avatar Robert says:

      I still haven’t got used to the idea that our government is illegitimate. Another reminder is helpful.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “I still haven’t got used to the idea that our government is illegitimate. Another reminder is helpful.”

        We do asbestos we can.

    2. avatar Warlocc says:

      The law ALSO says 3 days.
      Can’t have it both ways- if they’re going to insist on background checks, the checks need to actually be getting done.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “The law ALSO says 3 days.”

        True, but buried somewhere in the fine print are all the exceptions permitted the government. It is standard practice to put a weasel clause in each law (like the clauses that exempt members of congress from complying with a law).

        When it comes to government, believe half of what you hear, and none of what you see.

  18. avatar possum says:

    the right to do as i’m told when i’m told to do it

  19. avatar BusyBeef says:

    Some County Clerks in NY are now accepting permit amendments (we have to add every pistol to our permit) by mail.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      So, let me get this straight; in your state, county clerks have authority to modify the federal Constitution at will? Fascinating.

  20. I just wish the judiciary was as zealous in protecting the right to keep and bear arms as they are in protecting the right to have an abortion.

  21. avatar LarryinTX says:

    There is a reason the 3-day override was put in the law, it was obvious to any cynic that otherwise the check system would simply be shut down forever, no mor gun sales, aren’t we just so SLY!!??

    Laws are changed by Congress, not by diseases. If you cannot keep up with demand, hire another 300,000 employees or just forget the checks, extending the time frame is not one of your options.

  22. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Absolutely NONE,only in a warped Tyrannical mind of a Leftard.

  23. avatar Miner49er says:

    Can you believe Democratic attorney general bar is releasing these vicious criminals into our communities!

    Oh wait a minute…

    “Amid concerns of the potentially devastating effects that an outbreak of the novel coronavirus could have within the walls of the nation’s prisons, Attorney General William Barr said Thursday that he has issued new recommendations to the Federal Bureau of Prisons to explore releasing certain at-risk prisoners to home confinement in order to reduce the overall prison population.

    In a press conference at the Justice Department — conducted via teleconference due to new social distancing protocols — Barr said that of the 146,000 inmates currently serving time in federal prison facilities, one third are believed to have pre-existing medical conditions and roughly 10,000 are over the age of 60 years old.”

  24. avatar Geoff says:

    Your Carry Permit in some States substitutes for NICS if issued less than 5 years ago.
    I have a South Carolina CWP and it is accepted for NICS, but I haven’t bought a gun in over 2 years.
    The last one was a Taurus Millennium G2 9mm. I build my ARs.

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