The UK’s Guardian Stokes Fear of Armed Insurrection in Virginia and the Start of the ‘Boogaloo’

Accomack County Virginia Sanctuary vote

Courtesy Jeff Hulbert

The effort to discredit those in Virginia who happen to disagree with the flood of anti-gun laws being pushed by newly-empowered Democrats is well under way. Anyone challenging the gun-grabbing proposals under consideration in the state legislature is being portrayed as a racist, a white supremacist, or an anti-government militia type. Or some blend of the three.

The UK’s far-left, anti-gun (yes, that’s redundant) Guardian is only too happy to jump on the pile.

In response to both real policy proposals and conspiracy theories, some supporters of the sanctuary movement in Virginia are talking about the “boogaloo” – an ironic term for civil war that has spread through different online conversations, usually referring to the civil war that will break out if a government tries to take away citizens’ guns. The “boogaloo” meme originated as a joke about ridiculous movie sequels.

Gun rights commentators on YouTube are asking “Does the Boogaloo begin in Virginia?” and warning: “Folks, this is now or never” and “Tyranny is not something in the past”.

Such violent anti-government rhetoric is a traditional part of the gun debate in the United States. American gun owners have long vowed to respond with force to any government efforts to confiscate their firearms, arguing civilian gun ownership is protected in the Bill of Rights as a defense against government tyranny. They’ve embraced slogans like “come and take it” and “from my cold dead hands”.

But the conversation in Virginia has observers worrying that some people may be moving closer to actual violence.

“The rhetoric seems more revolutionary than ever,” Winkler, the UCLA law professor, said. Also new, he said: the possibility of “a lot of people coming in from out of state” to join protests against local Virginia gun laws.

– Lois Beckett in Virginia Democrats won an election. Gun owners are talking civil war

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  1. avatar Ark says:

    The Guardian is a propaganda outlet. They barely even talk about actual UK news between hysterical propaganda pieces about climate change and US politics.

    1. avatar Miner49er says:

      But aren’t they accurately reporting the comments, just as we see on this very forum?

      “Does the Boogaloo begin in Virginia?” and warning: “Folks, this is now or never” and “Tyranny is not something in the past”.

      1. avatar GS650G says:

        Is reporting on comments the same as presenting facts about an issue or does that fall into counterpoint opinion masquerading as news?
        The guardian needs to put that on their opinion page, if they have one since the entire site offers more opi unions than facts.

        1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Be nice narrative is about all there is in his favor.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          “ Is reporting on comments the same as presenting facts about an issue or does that fall into counterpoint opinion masquerading as news?”

          When you’re reporting on the attitude of the people in the community, it’s very reasonable to relate their comments regarding the issues.

        3. avatar Stephen Craig says:

          Miner49er, Disagree. This gives to reporter the opportunity to only report those comments that support his agenda. So even when I see these “man on the street” interviews that agree with my point of view, I look at them as only entertainment and not having any real meaning.

    2. avatar PM in Fl. says:

      I read something similar but more aggressive from another brit source (daily mail, us, I think) .States that white supremacists from all over the country are converging on Virginia to fight with the (perfect) democrats. Not one protester is a normal human but a depraved monster. I don’t read or like much of that crap.

      1. avatar Erik in AZ says:

        The article above had all that as well. They just saved the supremacy garbage for 7 or 8 paragraphs in. It is a multi-page piece trashing all gun owners.

      2. avatar SGT Preston says:

        Seems like its Standard Operating Procedure for the Libtards who want to enslave American citizens, by first making them “subjects”, not “citizens”. This is done by outlawing our possession of firearms, thus contravening the 2nd Amendment of our Constitution. If we have a Second Civil War, it may well start in Virginia, thanks to the efforts of these Libtards in office now.

      3. avatar Miner49er says:

        “ Libtards who want to enslave American citizens”

        Yes, that sort of observation seems the perfect and reasonable way to start a dialogue with your political opponents. It’s clear that they will feel you’re willing to listen to their alternative viewpoint and entertain your perspective.

        1. avatar Miner Never a 49er says:

          Nice try pretending “Libartds” are reasonable, thoughtful people, who do not think with a Borg mindlessness and group think.

          So if you can’t handle that truth, perhaps a safe space, try a nice knitting blog.

        2. avatar Someone says:

          When my opponent pushes for unconstitutional public disarmament by the force of the law, we are already way past the point of civilized discussion. When my opponent shouts me down and paints me as an evil violent white supremacist, how can he even expect civilized discussion?

          Our leftist opposition is not interested in dialogue, only in power. Power is the only thing they understand. That’s why they pre-filed pile of gun grabbing bills the second they bought the majority in Virginia.

          Now we are the bad guys for not standing still for that? Leftists need to realize that there are some things which can’t be simply legislated away by majority in the legislature.

        3. avatar Phil Wilson says:

          @someone:

          “Leftists need to realize that there are some things which can’t be simply legislated away by majority in the legislature.”

          I think many of the leaders at least understand that very well, which is why some were talking about bringing in the National Guard to force civilian disarmament.

    3. avatar screwtape says:

      Pretty much everything out of Europe is. Consider Reuters. The message is that those “damn Colonials” suck and that’s why we have an EU in the first place.

      Consider that we are only a country because we objected strenously to the Brit’s gun-confiscation.

      VA Democrats failed to consider that.

      1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

        “VA Democrats failed to consider that.”

        Progressives tend to view themselves as the glorious endpoint of all human development. Because they see themselves as uniquely enlightened, they do not think of themselves as subject to the trends of history.

    4. avatar Hannibal and the Elephants says:

      And they quoted “Winkler, the UCLA law professor,” as the impassioned neutral expert. They could not have picked a more leftist law department even if they hadn’t tried.

  2. avatar Skoon says:

    Read something about this on Reuters. Didn’t even make it to the 2nd paragraph before the likened 2a supporters to white supremacists

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      They will graduate from white supremacist to terrorists when they move to confiscate.

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        And here is the problem:

        Such violent anti-government rhetoric is a traditional part of the gun debate in the United States.

        No media outlet ever portrays infringements on our right to keep and bear arms as violent anti-citizen activity.

        I stated the core problem yesterday:

        Progressives do not see firearm ownership/possession infringements as a problem. It is akin to a depraved gang who does not see any problem with aggressively groping and fondling women since it isn’t full-blown rape. Well, keep aggressively groping and fondling women and one or several of them, sooner or later, will say “no more!” and punch back HARD.

        Similarly, our depraved politicians keep aggressively “groping and fondling” firearm owners (figuratively speaking with massive restrictions and bans but not full-blown restrictions and bans). Likewise, sooner-or-later, one or more firearm owners will say “no more!” and punch back HARD.

        Governments (such as New Jersey) who forcibly disarm the populace are quite literally accessories to violent criminals who have robbed, beaten, raped, maimed, and murdered unarmed and defenseless victims who would have otherwise armed themselves. THAT IS A CRIME. PERIOD. Said government employees are the actual bad guys, NOT good people who refuse to give up their firearms and their only effective means of self-defense.

        1. avatar GS650G says:

          The hurricane Katrina disarmament also threw people to the wolves and was illegal.

        2. avatar Craig in IA says:

          “Such violent anti-government rhetoric is a traditional part of the gun debate in the United States.” It would be better to point out that there is absolutely no violence that can be associated with “rhetoric”. Only with actions.

        3. avatar Salty Bear says:

          This. They completely gloss over the fact that sending armed men to steal people’s property, kidnap them if they refuse, and kill them if they resist is pure violence. Then they have the audacity to suggest that anyone who won’t accept it is violent one.

          Imagine doing this with rape. “You’re going to fight back if someone tries to have sex you without your consent?! You violent, anti-sex extremist!”

    2. avatar Dan W says:

      Gun owners are neo Nazis white supremacists and racists and anti semites. Likely terrorists too. And probably a few other buzz words.

      Just remember, this is what we are called when we are peaceful and try to play nice. So what exactly is that doing for us?

  3. avatar Boogaloo says:

    I like it…Boogaloo.

    1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

      It’s a Boogaloo bugaboo!

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        “It’s a Boogaloo bugaboo!”

        Starring 6.5mm Creedmoor? 😉

        1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          Now there’s a bugaboo if I’ve ever heard one…

        2. avatar EndDangerEd says:

          I think the arrogant SOB’s in VA are about to make a major Bugaboo-boo!!

    2. avatar Dan says:

      I only like electric boogaloos.

      1. avatar Rad Man says:

        Breakin’ 2! I was an extra in that movie.

        1. avatar klaus Von Schmitto says:

          Did you get your SAG extra pay?

          I got 46 bucks for hanging around on Navarre beach and smoking pot all day for Jaws II. I took the 46 dollars and bought more pot. A classmate of mine got a “speaking” role (she screamed) and got about 150.

        2. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          Klaus, you sound like me in 1982… 😉

        3. avatar Rad Man says:

          I’m beyond jealous, I got nothing. Though I was credited as “Man in car.”

        4. avatar Dan says:

          That’s dope.

      2. avatar LazrBeam says:

        I’m usually going full-tilt boogie.

  4. avatar Treedodger says:

    Virginia is now at the forefront of national gun rights. We all need to support them regardless of where you live. Otherwise, Bloomberg and Democrats will continue this attack on civil rights one state at a time.

    VCDL is fighting hard and working their tails off. Please help them by joining or donating whatever you can afford.

    Join:
    https://vcdl.org/join-VCDL

    Donate:
    https://vcdl.org/Donate

    1. avatar BillybobCA says:

      Move to free state.

      Kinda shitty advice when it’s your rights on the line, and no one stands with you.

      Sincerely,

      California gun owners

      1. avatar No one of consequence says:

        Yeah, it’s bad advice.

        Remind me again what’s stopping California gun owners from doing the same things Virginians are doing now?

        1. avatar Draven says:

          simply, the CA assembly will ignore you because you dont belong toa (public employee) union.

        2. avatar GS650G says:

          CA residents are hopeless outnumbered. Years of immigration both legal and not diluted the voter pool.
          So either leave and populate a state with your beliefs or be rules by others who disagree with you.

        3. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          @GS650G,

          I was listening to this exact topic being discussed on a radio show last night. We’re now “hopelessly outnumbered” by Leftists and uninformed voters precisely because so many conservatives chose to flee the state instead of vote to get their rights recognized again. Now the math shows that the actions of those who fled have left us (those of us who have remained for a variety of reasons) in a more precarious predicament than before. This whole movement was pushed by JWR (Survivalblog) over a decade ago, where he’s been telling people to leave CA and come to the American Redoubt. Totally fine for those who have chosen that path, and I’m glad for them if they’ve found better lives for themselves, but now many turn around to point back at the rest of us and say we’re hopelessly outnumbered, when they themselves made the problem worse by leaving and shifting the voting ratio.

          So as a result, many POTG – including voices here at TTAG – continue to castigate conservative Californians instead of helping in the fight. Do you really think anything will change here, and the Blue Virus will be stopped, if everyone abandons the fight and leaves whenever the struggle gets tough?

        4. avatar Dan says:

          @ I Haz A Question as a resident of California I don’t disagree with what you said but if it was just a matter of gun rights I suspect more people would stay. There’s a bunch of reasons to want to leave California, diminished gun rights being one of many.

        5. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          @Dan,

          Yes, you’re correct. And those additional reasons are the inevitable result of the heavily lopsided Democrat leadership and voter base. Snowball effect.

          Or nowadays we could say Snowflake effect. 🙂

      2. avatar Draven says:

        I DID move to a free state

        it was called VA

        -someone who left CA two years ago

        1. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          And how many other Californians did the same and brought their fucked up liberal values with them which has helped create this problem.. For that very reason I fear Florida and Texas Red days are numbered, Fl kept it’s conservative Gov by 500 votes (thanks to the helping hand extended to hurricane victims from PR) and still holds a slim majority in the legislature but recent events have cause a NEW influx of thousands of Purto Ricans who walked in with all the rights of citizenship including the right to vote in state elections… Next time Gillum (or something worse) WILL be governor of Fl and it will be bye-bye to no state income tax, gun owner friendly legislature and it will be free stuff for all.. It will make California look like Arizona..

      3. avatar Chief Censor says:

        Worst advice since the boogaloo trap.

        Every state Californians moved to has turned into another California. Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Colorado, Texas, Virginia, Florida, etc.

        Running away from containment to save yourself spreads the virus to everyone else.

        1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

          The mental disease of the Left spreads like the plague.

        2. avatar Dan says:

          All gun owners should move to California and bring us the antidote for this virus we are infected with. The weather is nice, the beaches are beautiful, the mountains are majestic and the weed is sticky icky. If enough of you come here we can get this place turned around quick. We could all be carrying the assault weapon of our choice openly down Rodeo Drive and hold a huge 2A rally in Hollywood. Think of it brothers. It will be glorious.

        3. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          Why not recruit that scary John Wick dude? He could solve your problems with a 9mm a shotgun and a Boss 429 Mustang… Would make a really great movie..

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Happy to donate, but not joining paypal.

      1. avatar Totally Fed Up says:

        Do not need to join Paypal to join, there is a link to bypass it.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Link does not work. That is a total of 4 times I have tried to donate, not bothering again. A serious group would have assured I could send them my money.

      2. avatar Truckman says:

        I just check the link for joining and they had a link for donating that listed an address to mail your donations to but me I have no problem with PayPal been using it for years but for buying stuff not sending money will use snail mail for that with a M.O.

      3. avatar SGT Preston says:

        AMEN to that. No way on earth will I ever rejoin Paypal. Thanks to PayPal, I had two people try to charge me for more than $600.00 in the purchase of a laptop computer, which I never authorized. Then, when I saw the charge on my credit card and contested it, one of the buffoons (a female), had the gall to call my phone and demand to know why I stopped the transaction. So, no thanks PayPal.

    3. avatar Totally Fed Up says:

      Many thanks for the link. I live in NC, but found out I could still join, so I did. Also sent the email to Gov protesting any gun control bills. Would be nice if every gun owner in country joined and supported them. We can no longer sit back and hope for the best; the Nazis need to be stopped now.

    4. avatar BillyBobCA says:

      The point is the fleeing is a futile and self destructive tactic. By fleeing you have ceded the argument to the opposition, which will only empower the left in all of its policy objectives, not just gun control. While gun control is the focus of this website, the argument can be extended well beyond the single issue to the overall cowardice and apathy the right employs in response to the never ending attacks from the left to the ideals that the POTG/conservatives value and align themselves with.

      California is the central focus of the gun rights movement because it enjoys a super majority that enacts gun control dream list and leftist policy with impunity. California has the desire, drive, and resources to employ and defend the leftist dream list for ALL of America. CA can and does implement every leftist gun control dream, short of out right confiscation, that is slowly spreading to your free state.

      See OR, WA, VA, CO, NV, FL…..

      Your free state is not free, just unconquered territory that will become CA the second the left enjoys a slight majority, looking at you “free people” of Virginia.

      So fuck VA and every free state person for burying their heads in the sand thinking there were insulated from the world in their safe space, only to wake up once it was to late. Pack your shit and flee. Pull up a electoral map of CA and VA, they look pretty much the same. Welcome to the peoples republic comrades, it sucks, and no one will give a fuck about your cause soon.

      Yes conservatives and POTG are hopelessly outnumbered in CA, and the “move to a free state” people have made this exponentially worse.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “The point is the fleeing is a futile and self destructive tactic. By fleeing you have ceded the argument to the opposition, which will only empower the left in all of its policy objectives, not just gun control.”

        Standing and “fighting” against overwhelming power does what? Whether the righteous flee or stand makes no difference. It is impossible to prevent the locusts from moving from field to field. Losing your resources in hopeless defense of indefensible outposts only bleeds one dry.

        Truth is, the demographics are inescapable.

  5. avatar Shire-man says:

    Somebody better talk to all those porcupines out there about their violent rhetoric.
    Tyranny, boots on throats and bullying. Welcome to the new left same as the old left.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      “But the conversation in Virginia has observers worrying that some people may be moving closer to actual violence.”

      Keeping the government/statists WORRYING is exactly the purpose of the Second Amendment.

      1. avatar Fully Involved says:

        I was thinking the same thing as I read the article.

        1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

          Someone should sneak to the capitol grounds and put up a sign that says, We know where you live !

  6. avatar GS650G says:

    The Guardian is a proto communist mouthpiece of the left so of course they raise fears of a rebellion.

    1. avatar D.T.O.M. says:

      Correct GS,

      And as a mouth piece, they received their marching orders to print this propaganda, so as to begin the dis-information campaign against the freedom movement. This is only the beginning, as the media and the Democrats are one in the same, expect them to play their tired trope of everyone is….RACIST.

      But also be aware and remember the undercover videos that showed Democratic operatives using tactics like instigating violence at Trump rallies by unseemly methods, like planting people at those rallies to infiltrate the crowd as “Supporters”.

      Remember how the media propped up Antifa, and was able to demonize any who stood against those anarchists. This “Guardian” propaganda piece is only a shot over the bow.

      Be ready Patriots, your Democrat reps, by their media allies, is about to attempt to smear you and the grassroots march to preserve freedom in Virgina and in the U.S.A..

      .

      1. avatar Chief Censor says:

        Gun control is racist because it was thought up by racists wanting to control people like property. The people seeking to continue that tradition are changing perceptions by labeling those that stand against gun control as racists.

        It’s true that racism is still very strong in Virginia and there are a lot of white males that are blaming brown people for gun control. They say the issue started because of immigration and multiculturalism. In reality, gun control was created by racist supremacist white males. It was fine to have certain rules for non whites and different rules for whites. Now whites are angry the rules apply to them too, that they no longer get the privileges and immunities they once had.

        The only class that gets privileges and immunities are government workers. The police being the main class of civilians without restrictions because they won’t follow orders without special benefits given to them and a bunch of money.

        There are a lot of white racist who are angry gun control is now something they must comply with. Racists and white supremacists also own guns and now part of anti gun control orgs. To pretend otherwise is a lie.

        I suggest not to attempt to rewrite history. Also, whites shouldn’t ignore it.

        1. avatar D.T.O.M. says:

          Censor,

          Really glad you read what I posted, (the fight for freedom) rather than take a single word and write a diatribe on it.

          One more friendly thing, perhaps you should ease up on calling everyone racists…Before people start thinking that maybe, just maybe, you are the racist.

      2. avatar Chief Censor says:

        Deflection. We know why you do that.

        Where did gun control in the U.S. come from? Who are white males blaming for it? Who wants to stop immigration into America? Who thinks “their” culture is better than every other?

        1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          American Blacks, American Hispanics and American Asians want immigration stopped.

        2. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @Chris T in KY

          Why would minorities want to stop their families and friends from coming to America? They don’t. Most want every immigrant to do it the way they had to.

          Asian Americans want Hong Kongers to be able to flee to America. They don’t want to put a barrier up for the Chinese wanting to escape communism.

          On the other hand, white males don’t want a bunch of Asians (fleeing communism) to make it into America. They don’t want a lot of people from south of America to live in America even if they come legally. They dislike having African refugees coming into America because they have a different religion than theirs.

          The only time I hear strong talk about walling America off to non white immigrants is when Trump fans speak or white males. I don’t really hear such talk from minorities unless they are fans of Trump. Hence why Democrats use open border rhetoric now when they used to call for closed borders not that long ago.

          Even Trump says America should open the borders to millions of immigrants to help businesses in America. Although he says he doesn’t want a lot of illegal immigrants, it has reached record levels under his administration. White males (who self identify as Republicans) are not happy about this.

        3. avatar Censorship says:

          @ Censor,

          FYI, disparaging white males is racist.

          Gun control laws, since you asked, were created by people who think like you. Sixty years ago, people like you hated blacks, today you hate whites. Your racist hate continues, you have just shifted who you hate.

        4. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @Censorship

          People like me? You mean white males?

          So history should be ignored because it’s racist to bring up facts about America?

          I guess we should tear down statues and rewrite books so the white males (who oppressed white women and all non whites) won’t experience “racism.” We don’t want the Democrat party to be exposed for their past deeds. It’s so racist to show everyone who the people were that wrote the laws against non whites and women so they could control society. Apparently white male privilege and immunities never existed in America — as long as you don’t read the laws from the past.

          Strange Republicans would protect the Democrat party by pretending racism, sexism and white supremacy never existed in America and it doesn’t remain to some degree. Yet they want to say black supremacy is a thing and racism exists against white males (although white females are not experiencing that particular “racism”). Even stranger that it tends to be older white males that cries out victimhood.

          Why can’t you just accept history and educate Americans about their past? Why do you feel the need to hide it? You don’t think like those white men of the past, right? So why is being honest bad? Are you worried about losing control over American society/people?

          I see the problems of the past and seek to remove them from the future. Pretending America was always great is a delusion of grandeur. America can be great for everyone if you admit it wasn’t great for all people in the past. Even after the wars of the past, that all Americans fought in, the non whites were not rewarded for their efforts like the white males were. That’s simply fact.

          There’s a reason why “pro gun” groups can’t get “minorities” on their side. It’s not like they don’t like guns nor own them.

          It’s also not a surprise why few women feel comfortable around “gun guys.”

        5. avatar Miner49er says:

          To the privileged, equality feels like oppression.

        6. avatar Censorship says:

          Censor says “People like me? You mean white males?”

          My Statement “Gun control laws, since you asked, were created by people who 𝙏𝙃𝙄𝙉𝙆 like you.”

          And by 𝙏𝙃𝙄𝙉𝙆 like you, I mean you only see a persons race and skin color.

          Not only do you want to self flagellate, but misery loves company, you want others to join you in self-hate.

          Just listen to your insane ramblings “America can be great for everyone if you admit it wasn’t great for all people in the past.”

          And Censor, you have a perverse sickness, think chasing windmills, just wanted to let you know.

        7. avatar Chief Censor says:

          @Cencorship

          You make it about color and scream racism and self hate because you don’t want to be exposed. You don’t want everyone to know why the concept of race was invented and how it’s still being used to control America. Why brown people are the new black people.

          Are you saying a white person hates themselves because they are white, but you don’t see color? I bet you dislike the fact “white” people are decreasing in numbers and “brown” people are rising in number in America.

          Let’s hear what a Christian woman has to say about your identity and why it exists in your mind as it does.

          Funny how things are repeating itself with your great savior Donald Trump.

        8. avatar Censorship says:

          They haven’t tightened your arm straps by now?

          Censor says, ” You don’t want everyone to know why the concept of race was invented and how it’s still being used to control America.”

          Yes Censor, you got me there, I’m Oz behind the curtain. I have been denying people that knowledge for centuries.

          Censor asks “Are you saying a white person hates themselves because they are white”

          Nooooo! I’m saying YOU hate YOURSELF.

          Brown people, new black people, white people, that’s all you see, as you run around trying to right past injustices that are hundreds of years old.

          Of all the trolls that come here, your posts are the most perverse. Seek professional help censor.

  7. avatar Stateisevil says:

    If we’re to keep buying guns as a nation… Then eventually,, boogie

  8. avatar Swarf says:

    The UK is a country so denuded and tame that their apex predators (humans notwithstanding) are foxes and otters, so yeah, I’m not really interested in their opinions on Rights.

    1. avatar Porridgeweasel says:

      Oh Swarf, that was so well said. That has got to be worth 10,000 interwebs points today.
      Bravo!

  9. avatar DaveL says:

    It’s funny, whenever they talk about violence between the government and gun owners, they never talk about the government sending armed agents to aggress against their own citizens.

    1. avatar BreanaHujba says:

      Like, oh i don’t know, Governments threateng to send in armed federal troops to forcibly seize private property and detain or kill the owners of said property.

    2. avatar GS650G says:

      Just remember that picture of Elian Gonzales being taken from the house in Miami if a refresher is needed.
      Full auto MP5 in the hands of a taci-goon pointed right at them.
      That’s gun barrel diplomacy.

  10. avatar jwm says:

    It’s really simple. If they don’t want boogaloo, cw2, revolution, etc. all they have to do is back off.

    But they would rather see millions dead, the economy in ruins and a possible invasion by outside forces than to see one human being free.

    And they are making the classic mistake that their fascist brothers made in the second world war. In their arrogance and ignorance they assume they’ve already won and they can commit all the atrocities they want with no repercussions.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      jwm,

      But they would rather see millions dead … than to see one human being free.

      You hit the nail on the head. I read a similar comment recently which really highlighted the most important takeaway:
      Progressives are committed to squashing (suppressing, imprisoning, and/or killing) millions of good people who refuse to give up their firearms in exchange for the remote possibility of reducing thousands of suicides, assaults, and murders.

      Let that sink in.

      And that point becomes so much more poignant when you consider that:
      (1) Suicidal people who are committed can easily and reliably kill themselves without firearms.
      (2) Violent criminals will never hand over their firearms.
      (3) Even if government could magically eliminate firearms from our society, violent criminals would have no trouble using knives, machetes, hammers, clubs, pipes, and superior strength/numbers to rob, beat, rape, and/or kill defenseless victims with impunity. In fact the annual number of violent crimes might actually increase since violent criminals would be more confident in their ability to succeed in their attacks against defenseless victims.

      Thus, even if government could eliminate firearms (which they most certainly cannot), they would still fail their alleged objective of meaningfully reducing violent crime and suicide. And yet they would be willing to squash several million good people. If that doesn’t clearly illustrate what Progressives are all about, I don’t know what will.

      1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

        “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Thus, even if government could eliminate firearms (which they most certainly cannot), they would still fail their alleged objective of meaningfully reducing violent crime and suicide.””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

        Nice Utopian Right Wing View but we are the only Industrialized Nation that has school shootings and mass murders every other week with assault rifles.

        1. avatar Void says:

          You mean the majority of ‘school shootings’ that are gangland beefs that take place within 100-300 yards of shcool property depending on the state. Jeez next you will tell us how juvenile non gang non suicide firearm homicides are coming dangerously close to surpassing drownings.

        2. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          When did that school shooting or mass shooting occur where a military issue ASSAULT rifle was used.. I thought I was pretty much caught up on that shit but I am only aware of those involving hand guns, shot guns, stabbings, a civilian type AK47, motor vehicles and AR15s (FYI: A-R does NOT denote ASSAULT-RIFLE) so unless you re aware of someone using any MILITARY issue light rifle with a burst fire or full auto selector please enlighten us or shut the fuck up about shit that you know absolutely nothing about…. Oh yeah there was that little girl in Ky that killed a teacher from her house with a .22, still not an assault rifle unless of course your definition of an assault rifle is any rifle used to ASSAULTsomeone (does that help?).

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Well, we should face the truth! If killing millions saves just one life, it’s worth it, right?

      1. avatar klaus Von Schmitto says:

        For the children.

        Ironically, The children who will be orphaned by the thugs of the state.

    3. avatar GS650G says:

      Their philosophy is based on end justified the means. Should it take a generation or two that’s fine as long as they end up with the kind of control Europe or the UK has. Asia too. People all over the world kow tow and the exceptions are rare. Countries blow up completely and descend into anarchy too.
      Our country is a rare exception and a big one. VA is moving like the UK, Oz, and NZ did with a heavy hand and no debate. If it works, first the already blue states will implement it and as soon as a state like Texas or Florida is flipped immediately guns will go.
      Once 40 states are locked down they will go for removing the 2A.

      Hopefully I won’t live to see that but my kids may.

      1. avatar PM in Fl. says:

        GS650G (good model by the way) I gotta say it again… they can keep their YOU”RE A PEON crap to themselves.

    4. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

      “It’s really simple. If they don’t want boogaloo, cw2, revolution, etc. all they have to do is back off.”

      Damn straight. If they don’t want trouble, they shouldn’t start any trouble.

      Duh…

    5. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      to Herr Hauptman JWM

      Just remember Herr Hauptman JWM the self admitted hater of democracy and supporter of the elite rich minority, the Anti-Fa beat Hitler your God and mentor and the Anti-Fa will beat you in 2020 at the polls. This year is going to be a fun ride for us Anti-Fa. Victory will be unfortunately way to easy.

      Take down that picture of Hitler over your bed it will be too embarrassing to keep up after the elections.

      Say I never could figure out why you did not fight for Ho Chi Minh he believed in the same dictatorial minority Representative government that you scream you love.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        Completely delusional. Tell your aids you need your meds upped. You are the fascist. Oh well, 2020 is going to be rough on you.

        1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          I saw them in Omaha October before last. Club show but sold out. Must have been ~750 people. They had the crowd jumping like a rock band, which I thought was pretty impressive for a bluegrass band. Good stuff.

        2. avatar Just Sayin says:

          9!
          Dude, I can’t thank you enough for the Dead South introduction.
          Immed listed them into my playlists. Righteous.

          Oh, eff Vlad.
          I wish his mom would call him up for supper.

        3. avatar jwm says:

          Dead South is good. And in hell I will be in good company.

  11. avatar Will Drider says:

    Dems are also widely inferring pro gun people are mentally ill/unstable because there is no other reason for them to be so passionate, agitated, frustrated and uncompromising on a single issue above all else?
    We must consider when the above discription will be used as the basis for Red Flag gun confiscations? When Trump was elected, Pelosi told Dems/libs to Resist, Obstruct and Fight, and they have: including riots and group/individual violence against those with opposing views. Dems however, demand no resistance, obstruction, or fight against their tyranny. That only further defines what thay are.

    1. avatar Leighton Cavendish says:

      And yet…most gun crimes in the USA involve minority democrat demographics…
      Go figure.

      1. avatar GS650G says:

        In Democrat run cities too.

    2. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Don’t forget Trump called on Democrats and Republicans to pass red flag laws and to change the age to 21. He wanted other things too. Now you got it throughout the states that won’t resist. Even Texan Republicans have changed their mind since Trump said those things and are now supporting such infringements.

  12. avatar LifeSavor says:

    I wonder if people living in the UK think when they read this: “Hey, we got rid of our guns but, now, London has a rapidly escalating rate of violent crime: stabbings, machete attacks, clubbing, beatings…it sure would be nice to have the tools I need to defend myself”.

    1. avatar Leighton Cavendish says:

      Are crossbows or spear guns or flare guns legal in the UK?
      Maybe flammable aerosol and a lighter…
      bug spray can work…especially the ones that throw a stream
      Guns are just compact and convenient

      1. avatar MyName says:

        According to https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm, the only legal self-defense implement in the UK is a rape alarm.

        1. avatar Ing says:

          So the only legal self-defense is screaming “help me” while some goblin rapes you and/or clubs you to death — because everyone deserves to have a safe and enjoyable work environment, right?

      2. avatar LarryinTX says:

        The proper aerosol for a flamethrower is WD-40, can be a stream if you wish, or not. Try it carefully, it is VERY serious.

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          “The proper aerosol for a flamethrower is WD-40,…”

          I think you would be impressed by the performance of two others – 30-foot range wasp spray, and diesel engine starting fluid (Ether).

          The first allows you to “Reach out, reach out and touch someone” from a distance, the second is just flat brutal in performance…

        2. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Damn you, Geoff! Now I’m probably going to have to try that. Fortunately, I have a deck that’s 30+ feet above the lake in my back yard, guess I’ll invite the son who introduced me to WD-40 30 years ago, by lighting a bonfire on a beach using *MY* WD-40 and *MY* lighter, I had been wondering where they had been disappearing to. And I always have 30′ wasp spray around, just never considered lighting it! Lucky I didn’t burn my house down! Will ether knock someone out, as in medical use?

        3. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          It’s ether and other stuff in there (to discourage the ‘huffers’ from getting high on it), but yeah, it’s an anesthesia agent.

          Have fun in VA and take a bunch of pictures for TTAG…

        4. avatar uncommon_sense says:

          Larry in TX,

          Wasp spray is, for all intents and purposes, charcoal starter fluid. It is EXTREMELY flammable.

          Another good (extremely flammable) choice for extremely close engagements is Lysol disinfectant spray.

        5. avatar strych9 says:

          “I think you would be impressed by the performance of two others – 30-foot range wasp spray…”

          Make sure you read the can before you assume this to be legal. Most pesticides have a note on them that it’s illegal at the federal level to use the product “in a manner inconsistent with it’s labeling”. Lighting the stuff on fire and shooting it at anything most certainly “inconsistent” with the label.

          WD40 has no such legal warning on the can. (I just checked).

      3. avatar GS650G says:

        You can dial the police feverishly too.

        1. avatar Jon in CO says:

          @Geoff

          Starting fluid is the preferred in my mind. Ideally it would be something like alcohol that stays lit longer and has a slower burn rate, but the evaporation ruins it for me.

        2. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          The starting fluid gives it a ‘blowtorch’ effect from the volatility of the ether…

  13. avatar MB says:

    Who cares what those limies think, we beat their asses twice, and saved their asses twice. If it wasn’t for Americans and their guns, everyone in Europe who hates Americans and their guns would be speaking German right now, so F them.

    1. avatar jwm says:

      More likely the iron curtain would have followed the Atlantic coast line. Maybe, just maybe England would have not gone communist.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        In which case they would all be dead.

      2. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

        to JWM

        Hey Genius you forgot to mention all the Europeans too. And you forgot to mention the U.S. we have commie past Social Security and Medicare. Remember it was passed by the American Communist Party or is this way over your head Genius?

        1. avatar jwm says:

          It’s a sign of your level of mental illness, vlad, that although you are a fascist you praise communists. Or do you see them as being the same?

      3. avatar Southern Cross says:

        Then renamed “Airstrip One”.

  14. avatar BootsOnGround says:

    What Democrats and liberals in Virginia are doing to take firearms away from law-abiding citizens, which is 99% of the population who are law-abiding, has to be confronted immediately for the government’s unconstitutional and illegal confiscation of firearms. There is a real and solid reason why the founding fathers who wrote the Constitution of the United States states, under the 2nd Amendment, established the legal right of all citizens to keep and bear arms so that governments could not manipulate and take control of its citizens.

    Keeping and bearing arms guarantees Americans the right to remain free without fear of control by the government, which is precisely what would happen once the government confiscates firearms. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, as well as the other founding fathers of our nation, knew that the more governments attempted to confiscate firearms, the more the people had to keep their firearms to resist the governments, as James Madison pointed out, from taking control of its citizens. This is what freedom is about, freedom from being controlled and manipulated by governments. Firearms possession is the only protection against rogue governments, which is what is going on in Virginia.

    1. avatar Ing says:

      Firearms aren’t the only protection against a rogue government — there are many others — but they are the *final* one.

      1. avatar Dan W says:

        Fertilizer seems to be effective.

        1. avatar Unrepentant Libertarian says:

          Chicken poop is a very good low grade explosive. I guess they will start banning chickens when folk start making home made grenades/explosive bombs.
          There was a book published back in the sixties that had several questionable chemical formulas for revolutionary bomb making. One day I might even remember it title.

        2. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

          If we’re thinking of the same book, I believe that was some sort of Cookbook… intended to be used by Anarchists…? LOL

  15. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    It seems the Guardian needs to be reminded of the thousands of individual Americans who mailed yes mailed individual firearms so that the British Home Guard could be equipped with guns instead of pitchforks , machetes, and pikes.

    Even prior to World War II the English had restrictions on firearms. So not everyone had a gun. Of any caliber. An invasion by the Germans was a real possibility during World War II.
    With the British military scattered across the globe guarding their colonial possessions that left the home Islands totally unprotected to a German invasion.

    The Home Guard captured thousands of German air Crews who have been shot down over the islands as well as spies parachuted in from the continent.

    The British got their desperately needed civilian firearms. And then at the end of World War II all the guns were confiscated by the UK government and destroyed.
    I’m so glad we went to war against these fools.
    Sadly you have socialist writers immigrating to the United States from these islands. Bringing their contaminated way of thinking with them.

    1. avatar MB says:

      @Chris Yup, still waiting for compensation from the Brits for all those family heirlooms that was lent to GB. Not one was ever returned, and not one dime was received as compensation. We’ll probably have to save their asses in another decade from the invaders infesting their country.

      1. avatar Dave says:

        Why? Why would we be under any compunction to save them?

        1. avatar MB says:

          @Dave because they provide a buffer zone, it’s better to have a free or semi-free society on your perimeter than a dangerous dictatorship even if there is an ocean between.

        2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          to MB
          We have over 3000 miles of open ocean that is our buffer. There was no reason for the US to go to war with German. Either in WW1 or WW2. Democrats and Republicans have been trying to make the world “Safe for Democracy” since 1914. The US did not go to war with Germany even after the USS Reuben James was suck by a U-Boat in the summer of 1941.

          What business is it of ours if the white europeans gas each other to death? Just as what business is it of ours if the blacks in Africa hack each other to death with machetes? Rwanda. Is the skin color of the victim a motivating factor for some people? Because The USA didn’t intervene in the Rwandan genocide.

          It was the Democrat Party war mongers who fooled the country into war in 1914. Declared war on Germany in 1941. The Korean and Vietnam wars were both started by Democrats and made worse by the Democrats because of the restrictions placed on the of the young men they sent to die in their wars. And the illegal war in Serbia by President Clinton. And if it makes you feel better I will add the Bushes for the Iraq wars.

          That’s 5 wars for the Democrats and 2 for the Republicans. And both parties put restrictions on our fighting men that got them killed.

          btw
          I spent 22 years in the US Army. And No we are not going to have a draft again as the silly Libertarians are whining about now. Unless the Democrats proposed it.
          As they did just 8(?) years ago.

          I suggest people form the 21st century version of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. If they want to go to war. They were all volunteers and fought on the side of the communists.

          I’m a isolationist and a nationalist. America first. Build that wall.

        3. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          I forgot to say Japan deserved to have two atomic bombs dropped on them for attacking us. Although President Roosevelt did leave Pearl Harbor wide open for their attack.

        4. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          Roosevelt the Democrat Progressive Socialist.

    2. avatar Hush says:

      In the extensive personal files of Gordon W. Prange, the personal historian for Gen. Douglas MacArthur. The Yamamoto quote is said to be, “to invade the United States would prove most difficult because behind every blade of grass is an American with a rifle.”
      Another, not so famed scholar and historian, said, “invading the Brits would be a chip shot for there would be a blade of grass behind every rifle, that is, if one can find a rifle!”

  16. avatar former water walker says:

    I care about Britain why? You gave your country away dipshites. And your guns. Allah is pleased. I get why princess Meagan wants to ditch the Brits!

    1. avatar whatever says:

      Meagan? She is more British than you think.

      She believes the sun never sets on her “ego”.

  17. avatar Dennis says:

    The UK is now fomenting insurrection? My how the times have changed!

  18. avatar Texas shooter says:

    I’ll take it seriously when the shooting starts.

    Revolutions aren’t fought by people w full bellies.

    Right now it’s talk.

    1. avatar Swarf says:

      Dead on. There is no revolution while the food supply is functional and the power is on.

      1. avatar Chet says:

        Actually, this premise is false. Successful revolutions are very much fought and led by those with full bellies. Colonial America, France, Russia, Ireland, and Cuba are examples of insurgencies that were led by well-educated people with “something to lose.” Only when the movement is embraced by the “merchant class” is it possible to be successful. Dismissing your adversaries as bunch of “dead-enders” is a formula for losing a counter-insurgency campaign. The truly destitute may be useful to some degree, but they are also the easiest to control, as their requirements can be met much lower on Maslow’s hierarchy. For further reading:

        The True Believer – Eric Hoffer
        FMFRP 12-25: The Guerrilla and How to Fight Him – US Marine Corps
        Armed Struggle: The History of the IRA – Richard English

        1. avatar George WashingtonGl says:

          I’ve yet to meet ANYONE who claims to be “well educated” that actually is…
          It takes a real dumb a$$ to go through the college system the way it’s set up now…
          Anyone with any brains wouldn’t step foot near one of those queer indoctrination camps…
          Educated Idiots are the only thing being $h!t out by these ghetto/ rich kid campuses..

  19. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    You know, the UK would have some experience on what happens when an authoritarian regime tries to take people’s weapons in the US……………..

    Seriously though, it would be nice if they would throw in some statistics on how many people have been killed by their own governments over the last say 125 years and why people in the US may be worried about authoritarian states. Then again the UK has expertise in that as well at this point…………..

  20. avatar D Y says:

    I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, exactly what violence is the left worried about? Worst case, freedom lovers aren’t going to be attacking innocent people.

    It’s either fighting the government that is trying to confiscate their guns (I’d say history is on freedoms side here) or to forcefully remove those from office who have decided the Constitution is no longer relevant, which is also on the side of freedom.

    I guess when your goal is to be tyrannical, you have to try and convince the population that any resistance is illegal.

    But they are wrong in trying to sell us that resistance (violent or not) resulting from this legislation would be unlawful.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      I think you are spot-on. If the laws are finally passed requiring LE to go door-to-door searching and confiscating firearms, the one will begin instantly, assuming any LE are stupid enough to try. That will be over in a week or less, as no LE will be reporting to work, with thousands or millions already dead. Now, with no LE, the legislators who insisted on this slaughter will be hunted down and hung, burned at the stake, dropped from helicopters, etc, along with their families. When the US is back to a population of 200 million or so, we can get back to being Americans.

    2. avatar Fully Involved says:

      Terrorist: (noun) a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

      Kinda sounds like the governor and those government employees supporting him. Their force would be unlawful. They have clearly been trying to intimidate us civilians. All this gun control is for political people control.

      We the people, on the other hand, are not going up against other average civilians. We are not threating to use unlawful force as it is well within our rights to fight tyranny. We have no political aim aside from self-preservation of our state and country.

      So who is the real terrorist here?

  21. avatar Jeff Hulbert says:

    For those coming to the Virginia State Capitol in Richmond to lobby legislators and/or to rally on the Capitol Grounds, the Virginia Citizens Defense League has issued this official guidance:

    “The Democrats [have voted] to ban guns in the General Assembly and the Capitol buildings. THERE IS NO EXCEPTION FOR CHP HOLDERS.

    IMPORTANT: there is NO ban outside those buildings, including on the Capitol grounds. Thus, those attending the VCDL Lobby Day Rally [on Jan. 20th] which is an outside event on the Capitol steps, CAN be legally armed.”

    The same rules apply to those coming to the Virginia State Capitol this coming Monday, Jan. 13, to be present in the hearings or in the hallways for the Democrat’s introduction of their gun control legislative package. Citizens going into the buildings may not be armed.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Unless they carry concealed.

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      I plan to contribute my presence, armed, but cannot think of any reason to continue inside the buildings since I am not a VA resident or voter, that seems silly. I guess if I were more dedicated I could insist on being arrested, but I doubt I’d ever get my gun back.

  22. avatar Bob says:

    To those in the UK, these words should be vaguely familiar.

    “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another…

    1. avatar Ben says:

      This biggest problem is that they have stopped teaching about this in schools. Kids have no idea on how rights were won in war and in revolution. The left takes everything for granted and believe that their politicians will keep them safe. The people on the left are simply dependent on the political system to be just and fair; they don’t know Or remember history. Sad state for US.

  23. avatar MIO says:

    We quit caring what they have to say in 1776.
    Mind your own with all your muslim, knife and royal issues.

  24. avatar TexasJack says:

    damn right, “come & take ’em”.. if you’re gonna violate our Constitutional Rights, I’m not giving them up..

  25. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    ‘Virginia Democrats won an election. Gun owners are talking civil war.’

    Trump won and election. Democrats are talking impeachment.

    Seems like a trend.

    1. avatar Baldwin says:

      No, actually a sustained pattern of behavior. In both example the democraps are taking stuff that isn’t theirs to take.

  26. avatar Stephen Craig says:

    Really upset that I’m not seeing any of this on Fox (a little smigen here and there), Rush’s show, Tucker’s show, or Hannity (radio and TV). They are all hyper focused on the impeachment and Iran crap. VCDL has done a great job, in fact I’m letting my NRA membership expire and putting more money toward GOA and VCDL, but they also need to be trying to get on those shows to get the messaging out. If a conservative who could be a possible supporter is just watching those shows and not also watching this and other blogs, then they won’t have a clue of the powder keg in VA.

    1. avatar Fully Involved says:

      Mainstream media outlets are just tools used by billionares to exert influence on average citizens for political power, so why would they comment on a situation aimed at reducing this power? To me it makes just as much sense that Republicans will be as anti-gun as Democrats. The whole gun rights/gun control thing isn’t a Republican vs. Democrats thing; it’s a “we the people” vs. Elitists thing.

  27. avatar Prndll says:

    Why does it matter what The Guardian says?

    This is pointless. My thoughts on my country is not determined by those of other countries.

    This is an example of how twisted social media helps to make everything.

  28. avatar Wheel Gun Guy says:

    Many gun rights activist and pro 2A supporters may not be aware the Federal Aviation Administration better known as the FAA is pushing very aggressively to regulate all forms of radio controlled aircraft including drones, all fixed wing RC planes (that folks have been flying safely for over 70 years) and model RC helicopters all in the name of safety….hummm….wonder where I heard that before….they want total control of all hobby class aircraft and they are trying to set up a defacto registration scheme very similar to what the gun community is fighting against……curious to know why this is happening at the same time as states are fighting these same disarmament tactics in the name of safety……I am a big gun rights supporter and I also have been flying RC planes for nearly 40 years….. so where am I going with this you might ask and what does RC planes and drones have to do with firearms?….lets start with the proliferation of gun rights sanctuary resolutions being passed through out pro 2A counties all across our nation coupled with the fact many think we are moving closer to civil war ….should war actually break out it would behoove you to know that this war is going to involve high tech devices such as drone technology and many militia and survivalist groups will need to understand that R/C aircraft of any kind will become part of the survival equation….our beloved government is embarking on a mission through the FAA to eventually outlaw all civilian ownership of any and all hobby class drones and RC planes….unfortunately the RC community is much smaller than the firearms and pro 2A community so we don’t have the same clout and our calling and writing letters to government officials for the most part is falling on deaf ears….just looking at the bigger picture of where we as a country are heading…..I just have a bad feeling…..stay safe out there.

    1. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

      Or, because too many drone operators have made asses of themselves as drones have become cheaper and easier to fly, ruining it for the responsible pilots.

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Yeah, the gubt (FCC?) tried all that with CB radio and walkie talkies, etc, years back and were roundly ignored, I suspect they will be, here, too.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        The FCC was not “roundly ignored” when it came to CB licensing. They were complied with to the point that they were overwhelmed and the licensing system was destroyed. By mass compliance.

        The impetus was the 1974 National Maximum Speed Law. The result was the type of convoy talked about in lyric by CW McCall, though arguably made more popular by Sammy Hagar. The need for communications between vehicles in a convoy running local speed traps resulted in a surge in the popularity of CB and the FCC began getting multiple times more applications for CB licenses per month than they had previously gotten per year.

        They simply couldn’t handle the overload, eventually capitulated and “gave back” the CB band.

        There’s a lesson for both sides of many modern arguments about government contained in the history of CB radio. Not too many people care to find it though.

    3. avatar EndDangerEd says:

      Most smaller drones used for optical surveillance don’t fare well in an encounter with #1 or#4 shot… Just sayin! Skeet has always been a lot of fun! Sporting clays too!

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        …except that many areas now have laws prohibiting the discharge of guns at drones. One father shot one down that was hovering over his yard where his teenage daughter was sunbathing in her bikini, and a group of four young men immediately came to his front door demanding the debris along with financial compensation for the damages. He told them hell no because they were spying on his family, and that same day the police showed up and charged him with reckless discharge of a weapon.

        1. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

          While the unfortunate man did have the hassle of going to court, the charges were eventually dismissed.

          https://www.cnet.com/news/judge-rules-man-had-right-to-shoot-down-drone-over-his-house/

      2. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

        I just heard this week that new drones may be required to have embedded tracking devices and these devices also tell the Feds who owns the drone. Its about time.

        1. avatar Jonathan Speegle says:

          Like the tracking chip inserted in your brain?

  29. avatar Cory C. says:

    It seems like they reported on it accurately, notwithstanding the white supremacist nonsense. They really can’t seem to understand how much disdain freedom-loving Americans have for fascists and communists both. Again, though, notwithstanding that nonsense, I think j they accurately reported how people are talking about making a violent stand against the government. The one thing I think they miss is that most of it is tongue-in-cheek.

    1. avatar D.T.O.M. says:

      It wasn’t accurate, it was heavily filled with left wing propaganda.

      From the story, only second paragraph in;

      “…backlash to gun control in Virginia is being fueled by conspiracy theories and misinformation…”

      Why are 2A supporters so misguided when…

      “…Democrats (ONLY) pledged to pass a series of 𝒔𝒕𝒂𝒏𝒅𝒂𝒓𝒅 𝒈𝒖𝒏 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒓𝒐𝒍 𝒍𝒂𝒘𝒔…” on “…bans on military-style “assault weapons”…”

      and why are you so upset when..

      “…The agenda was no surprise: state Democrats had run for office on a platform of 𝙜𝙪𝙣 𝙫𝙞𝙤𝙡𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣…”

      That is an incredible amount of propaganda when in actuality;

      * The backlash is fueled by anti-constitutional and anti-Bill of Rights gun control in Virgina.

      * There is nothing “Standard” about gun/people control.

      * The firearms are Semi-automatic, not “military style assault weapons”.

      * And gun control does not prevent violence, it allows violence on law abiding people by criminals and criminal (usually leftist) governments.

      That is only the second and third paragraphs of the story. The remaining story is just as biased.

      However the leftist know, you repeat a lie until it becomes accepted as truth. Propaganda 101.

      .

  30. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    The Brits NEVER have understood our Constitution! Or they failed to read it. Why does the paper think we chased them back across the Atlantic?

  31. avatar The Snake says:

    Don’t worry, if you don’t make it when you go to the civil war, I’ll take care of your widows.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      What makes you think *you* are going to make it? I bet you’ve run your mouth around enough people that you will be hunted down. Or just show up with my widow, she’ll take care of you.

  32. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

    People coming from out of state to protest the laws are bad, but 1 person from NY paying to get the legislators elected to pass the laws is apparently just fine.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      That’s because one gave his money to Virginians to get elected. The other is bringing guns and demanding Virginians do what they say.

      The first amendment allows you to donate to VCDL so Virginians can fight in their state. Bloomberg used that liberty to fund campaigns in Virginia.

      Out of staters can show up and show support. However, they have no authority to force Virginians to do what they want because state rights. Virginia residents have to stand up and make the change.

      You don’t see all those out staters marching into California and taking out the politicians and police force for official oppression.

      1. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

        Missed where these out of staters are planning anything more than to support Virginians in their protest. The Guardian seems horrified just by that.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          You totally missed the “boogaloo” talk that everyone else is hearing and seeing? It hasn’t been only Virginians talking and planning.

      2. avatar Someone says:

        What state rights? Wasn’t there a little kerfuffle in 1860’s that dispelled the whole idea?
        States rights end where citizen’s human rights start.

  33. avatar Dave says:

    Well, when they protect their women from rape gangs, and stop prosecuting citizens for simply defending themselves, I’ll listen to something they have to say. Until then they can piss off.

  34. avatar Ralph says:

    What’s wrong with being anti-government? The government is not the country. The Founders knew this even as they formed our Republic.

    “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.”

    Thomas Jefferson

    The Brits have never figured this out.

    1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      To Ralph

      “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””What’s wrong with being anti-government? The government is not the country. The Founders knew this even as they formed our Republic.””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

      Conservatives are about as retarded as the Dodo Bird was and we all know they eventually became extinct (we should be so lucky). The Retardo Conservative does not Support the Government when the Government is trying to help him by giving him paid for heath and drug care and paid for educational programs but the Retardo does support the Government when it spends 54 cents on every dollar for its wars of rape, pillage and conquest that bankrupted the country so we will never have paid for health car or other badly needed social programs.

      “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.

      Thomas Jefferson”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

      Yes and then there was the lying bastard Jefferson. He made sure he denied the vote to the people and reserved power only to rich Merchants when he helped establish one of the most corrupt governments on the planet which was a Nation founded by the corrupt rich and for the corrupt rich and denied forever Democracy to the people. And he ranted against slavery but owned slaves . He ranted about the rights of the people and then raped 14 year old girls. In the dictionary his picture should have been placed next to the word “hypocrite”.

      “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””The Brits have never figured this out.”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

      Wrong, the Brits warned the American Greed Monger Merchants that they were biting off the hand that was feeding them and the Revolution plunged the U.S. into bankruptcy and delayed economic progress by decades because through Britain the U.S. had access to world wide trade. Global free trade was and still is not a new concept.

      I might add thousands of America’s best and brightest said Fk the power mad and incompetent George Washington and they fled to Canada after the war and Canada secured its independence through peaceful means and established a Parliamentary Government that granted true Democracy to the people.

  35. avatar joe says:

    Their opinion hasn’t mattered since 1776. They can keep calm and shove a tea bag in their ass and shut up.

  36. avatar Sam I Am says:

    the Brits got their ears pinned back as a result of insurrection here. One would think they would keep their mouths shut about such.

    1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      No such thing happened at least in regards to Americans pinning any British ears back , in fact quite the opposite happened.

      The arrogant and incompetent George Washington lost more battles than he won and was almost captured twice. If it had not been for the professional French Army with then modern equipment who were trained in siege warfare and the French Navy that drove off the British Navy the incompetent Washington would have been hug by his dirty balls and today we all would live in a much better America with true democracy and a parliamentary government. Damn the French they should have stayed home and King Louie would never have ended up getting his head chopped off but the French people would have ended up like this fked up country and never achieved the real Democracy that they now enjoy and we do not.

      1. avatar Possum and the "Coons of Doom" says:

        George Washington played golf? I can’t find any reference to that or his balls being dirty. Are you just making stuff up?

      2. avatar Topper says:

        We are a Republic, not a democracy, you ignorant tool.

  37. avatar BobS says:

    “The rhetoric seems more revolutionary than ever,” Winkler, the UCLA law professor, said. Also new, he said: the possibility of “a lot of people coming in from out of state” to join protests against local Virginia gun laws.

    “The repression seems more severe than ever,” Everyman, the law-abiding citizen, said. Also new, he said: the recent example of “a lot of money coming in from out of state” to buy legislation against local Virginia gun owners.

    FIFY

  38. avatar JOHN THAYER says:

    Virginians haven’t changed. The left, starting with the 1965 Immigration Act, has just imported people with blue state values into the red states. It’s known as “the great replacement”.

  39. avatar Ing says:

    If the Democrats and progressives truly are worried about the potential for violence, how about this for a solution: LEAVE US ALONE.

    It’s surprisingly easy. All you have to do is…nothing. Just sit back, relax, enjoy your time in office. No need to keep poking us in the eye.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzybdaOOok

    pssst! Hey, progressos…guess which one is you?

  40. avatar Steven says:

    And I say, call me anything you like, but you better take me seriously at your own peril. And I’m probably the only one.

    1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      Just remember Law Enforcement reads the replies on this forum and they are aware of people like you and how dangerous you are.

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        Rather short reply, Vlad. Couldn’t think of anything else to say? Well, then again, it’s about midnight in Russia now, so off to bed you go…

        1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

          I can send you some Vodka Komarade.

          да здравствует победа

        2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Ром лучше

        3. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          бурбон лучше 🙂

        4. avatar Blackbeard says:

          Пираты любят свой ром

    2. avatar Possum and the "Coons of Doom" says:

      You can call me anything you like, just make sure you call me to dinner, yup yup.

  41. Washington State plans to start a gun registration this year also! It very likely will pass and become law! All so called “Assault Weapons” must be registered with the Highway Patrol by January 1, 2021 or else!

    https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=2241&year=2019

  42. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

    Getting back to Virginia if the hot heads now headed for and soon to invade Virginia do cause violence it will be the best thing the Dems could ever hope for. They will say they were justified in sending in the jack booted guard to gun down the White Supremacist Paramilitary Lunatic Fringe that is a danger to all decent law abiding Americans and the bulk of the American population who own do not own any guns will double down in voting for them come the 2020 elections. As I have said before a Far Right Fanatic is always his own worst enemy.

    1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      …except that hasn’t happened, has it, Vladskie?

  43. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    The next Boogaloo won’t be between the north and south but rather between the Left and Americans.

    1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      No it will not be from the left, we do not have do anything except sit back and watch the jack booted Storm Troopers take out the Paramilitary Lunatic Fringe much to the cheers of the American people when they watch the 6:00 news and cheer on the helicopter gun ships. David Koresh comes to mind as well as Ruby Ridge. Those people did not make out very well against the storm troopers with flame throwers and gov. snipers.

    2. avatar Chief Censor says:

      If Trump is still president he will drop a bomb right on your car using a drone because you will be considered a terrorist if you resist the American government.

  44. My Virginia relatives are calm but alert to the danger posed by Northam and his anti-2nd Amendment cronies. Get organized and remain calm are keys to success here in VA. The entire country needs to finally wake up to protect peacefully our Second Amendment rights! We need to form Second Amendment Sanctuaries everywhere that we can! The leftists will likely try to push the violence button first perhaps using Antifa. Long live the Republic!

  45. avatar jakee308 says:

    The removal of the right to self defense is one of the pivotal events that must happen for a global government to take hold.

    You cannot defend your sovereignty if you have no weapons. Many of the other nations in the world would be delighted to send UN troops under some pretext to the United States.

    So far they cannot as they would be repelled once they tried to control people for any reason. And they’d get their asses kicked.

    This is why so many of the billionaires are spending so much money on making gun ownership shameful (which they’ve done) and then expensive (in process) and soon to be infringed in the most populous states. (they don’t care about the rural areas because there’s fewer people and spread out so it’s easier to control them without confrontation.

  46. The Leftists I know (most of my neighbors) are self-righteous militants with Extremist liberal values and they hate the 2nd Amendment, Conservatives, and President Trump. They are threatened by us and they DO seek to disarm us so this is a valid fear. So continue to organize and seek a peaceful solution and do not let the Godless Anarchist haters provoke you to violence please. Be sure to befriend law enforcement since they usually agree with us!

  47. NPR did a piece recently that demonized firearm owners standing up for their second amendment right. Of course they are painting us as extremists! Don’t feed their lies and slander!

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/795366630/boogaloo-is-the-new-far-right-slang-for-civil-war

    1. avatar UpInArms says:

      ” NPR did a piece recently…’

      Which just proves that a journalist is someone who makes a living writing about stuff he’s totally ignorant of.

    2. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      Nothing fake about the program at all. Read through the whole program.

  48. avatar war lord says:

    Civil Part II may be a self fulling prophecy in Virginia.

    1. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Manifest destiny…

  49. Read something about this on Reuters. Didn’t even make it to the 2nd paragraph before the likened 2a supporters to white supremacists
    مشاوره قبل از ازدواج

  50. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    Fearful of possible violence? It’s not “happening”, it’s “happened” and continues.

    So, the Virginia polit-critters have so far hired people to remove people’s guns by force, planned retributions on locals that decline to help enforce Capitol City’s new mandates, and threatened to deply the National Guard. They haven’t threatened nukes, yet, but various congress-Critters have declared they “back” the Virginia “authorities”, so Rep Nukem will get his shot, one assumes.

    “The police serve the people; the military protects the state from its enemies. When the military becomes the police, the people tend to become the enemies of the state.” — Paraphrasing Wm. Adama from the early ’00s Battlestar Galactica remake.

    When you’ve already declared enemies of the people, well bringing in the military to knock them in line only makes sense. (Lookin at you, state Rep Snarky-pants.)

    Given the preferred method of stacking up SWATters, backed by armor n copters, to raid into peaceful first-time targets in the startling middle of the night, there will be violence beyond the mere threat. Dragging late middle-age, paper-pushing lawyers out of wee-hours bed is the way … the process in the punishment; summary “justice” is the thing. Remember to alert CNN “pours encourager les autres.” Or if you’re in the target class, lock up your dogs.

    How about we use SWAT for going after cartels who use violence n it’s threat as business as usual? It’s not like there’s a shortage. Maybe reserve the Army tanks for people who are, in fact, also actively “at war.” If you’re not doing violence against the state, it ain’t war and leave the army at home.

    So, while VA hasn’t netted themselves a media-friendly front door shoot-out with an appropriately coloured n clad deplorable, yet, anybody who missed the hint need only recall the Wisconson raids, post-Walker’s election. You don’t have to like the guy. But, maybe reputation-assassination with neighbors, gag orders (“ongoing investigation” — sound familiar?), take-all-the-things fishing expeditions, n “investigations” with unlimited budget n no end, are really a kind of lawfare, to make wrongthink costly. Middle of the night SWAT raids for these *administrative* investigations, of non-violent charges and individuals are … well, the process is the punishment, isn’t it. (Really sorry about the dogs.)

    So, now, carrying an AR anywhere near where the VA Overlords convene, including *to lobby or protest specifically on gun issues* is verboten. (Yeah, yeah, not the exact wording, but with a little enforcement discretion, and an exigent cirsumstance or two, nice participation in your own governance you had there, clinger; sorry about the face.) Meanwhile we know that Federal civil rights charges against uniformed, agenda-affiliated folk with clubs standing in front of polling places will be dropped WHILE THE CASE IS WINNING.

    Who’s side you on? Every means and mechanism the anti-people can bring to bear they’re working for all they’re worth. 90%+ of everybody who isn’t in their neighborhood goes full “hell no” and they’re just gonna impose harder. (Just like NY, BTW. What’s the point of being Hereditary Proconusul if you have to care what the proles want?)

    So, whatever the VA Overlords support, or rather fig-leaf for Bloomie’s more direct minions, they’ll get away with. There’s no appeal to the more supreme law. “Elections have consequences.” “I won.” The VA-weenies learned it from, well, in truth a “leader.” He certainly set an agenda, developed means, and rallied apparatchiks n flying monkeys, didn’t he. “They bring a knife, we bring a guy.” “Punch back twice as hard.”

    Interestingly, under the common law — remember that? — *threat* of violence counts as assault.

    Violence, in Virginia? We’re already there, aren’t we.

  51. avatar Possum and the "Coons of Doom" says:

    My Dad fought the Nazi’s, he’d be a little concerned with all these politicians wanting to take away gunms.

  52. avatar Cloudbuster says:

    Given that the 2nd amendment is the law of the land, opposing efforts to violate it is actually pro-government rhetoric. Those who would violate our rights are traitors who happen to collect government paychecks.

  53. avatar OldTxDoc says:

    I recommend Taran Tactical “Boogaloo Dance Party”
    https://youtu.be/qg2xjnz-fFE

  54. Is anybody out of state planning on attending?
    I am. I’m marching with the Militias even though I am not a member. Leaving lobby day to the locals and VCDL.

  55. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    I thought “talking” about have a civil war was Free speech??? Am I wrong? Or is freespeech just of the pronographers?

    1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      ””””””””””””””””””””””””””’I thought “talking” about have a civil war was Free speech??? Am I wrong? Or is freespeech just of the pronographers?””””””””””””””””””’

      Actually its not legal when it promotes violence and murder. If you want a knock at your door in the fog and night that is the best way to summon the Law.

      And by the way what have you got against Pornography??????? The majority of adults these days watch it.

      1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

        Porn laws are still on the books and people still go to jail for it. And its not against the law to talk about having a civil war. Why do you want to force conservatives to stay being part of america? Is it because you know the nation infrastructure would collapse because the brain power keeping it up and running is conservative?

        Are too busy with your marijuana intoxication to fix the broken machinery of the modern world?
        With the conservatives gone you can jack off in public all you want to then. They Already do it in major west coast cities controlled by Liberal democrats.

        1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

          “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Porn laws are still on the books and people still go to jail for it. And its not against the law to talk about having a civil war. Why do you want to force conservatives to stay being part of america? Is it because you know the nation infrastructure would collapse because the brain power keeping it up and running is conservative””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

          Again it is against the law to promote violence and murder. That is a fact and a law.

          Also it is quite legal to watch porn on the internet that is what I was speaking of and there are plenty of pornography business that are quite legal. Who do you think supplies internet porn both Nationally and even Internationally. The majority of the public is not Far Right Evangelists and porn is big business. If you do not like porn do not watch it but you do not have the right to crush free speech and outlaw porn just because you do not like it. Practice your prayer, rituals and incantations by the light of the moon in your own backyard not on the public’s time.

          And you mention the infrastructure well it is collapsing because the Conservatards are the ones that will not provide the Federal Funds to repair infrastructure. Conservatards will tell you “Life is cheap in Capitalvania” where only money is sacred so get used to bridges falling down on people and killing them.

          And by the way Europe got rid of you Far Right Conservatives long ago and countries like France and Germany are far safer to live in than the lawless U.S. of gun toting violence and Western Europe without the Far Right Conservatives continues to be a very rich and prosperous part of the world to live in. They do not go bankrupt over health and drug care. Conservatives in the U.S. are a cancerous sore on the populous and their health and well being not to mention all the cancer causing chemicals Trump is now pumping into the air and water over blind greed and has been verified by the American Medical Association which you Conservatards call fake news.

        2. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

          “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””With the conservatives gone you can jack off in public all you want to then. They Already do it in major west coast cities controlled by Liberal democrats.”””””””””””””””””””‘

          Any documentation on that?

          Lets not get hysterical. Next you will be shouting Hallelujah .

          In Ancient Rome they would have responded “So what we do not understand why you should not”. Rome did not have the screwed up sexual hang ups that a minority of the U.S. puritanical people do. Its gotten so bad recently they have even tried to outlaw orgies. Of course thankfully they failed. Free speech you know is for everyone not just you and the religious fanatics.

        3. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          vlad
          “Again it is against the law to promote violence and murder. That is a fact and a law.”
          You are simply wrong. That’s why we have a 1st amendment. But I know Porn is your distraction.

        4. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

          ”””””””””””””””””””’“Again it is against the law to promote violence and murder. That is a fact and a law.”
          You are simply wrong. That’s why we have a 1st amendment. But I know Porn is your distraction.”””””””””””””””””””’

          I have a question for you hard head. Then how do cops arrest people that post violence on Social Media, and they lock them up and confiscate their weapons. I would like to hear from you on this one. I am sure you will say its fake news even after its broadcast world wide on more than one occasion.

          And no Porn is not my distraction its your paranoia.

      2. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

        Actually its not legal when it promotes violence and murder. If you want a knock at your door in the fog and night that is the best way to summon the Law.

        And by the way what have you got against Pornography??????? The majority of adults these days watch it.

        Um…

        1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          Porn is the Distraction for all Leftists. Your rabid concern for it doesn’t require you to watch it. You just obsess about making it a 1st amendment issue.
          It never was. But sex is always a Distraction with Leftists like you.

  56. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    Please tell me what Libertarian Liberal Or Leftist is going to fight to force this country to stay in one piece?
    Because the conservatives aren’t going to.

  57. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

    “These resolutions have no legal effect whatsoever. It’s really the gun lobby trying to scare a lot of people,” Herring told WRIC-TV in Richmond. “When the General Assembly passes [stricter gun laws] in the upcoming session, those laws are going to be enforced and they will be followed.”

    A slate of gun control measures has already been pre-filed ahead of the 2020 legislative session, which beings in January. Democrats have pushed for

    Gun rights advocates are particularly concerned with one measure – S.B. 16 – that would expand the definition of “assault firearm” and ban them.

    1. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

      These resolutions have no legal effect whatsoever. It’s really the gun lobby trying to scare a lot of people,” Herring told WRIC-TV in Richmond. “When the General Assembly passes [stricter gun laws] in the upcoming session, those laws are going to be enforced and they will be followed.”

      A slate of gun control measures has already been pre-filed ahead of the 2020 legislative session, which beings in January. Democrats have pushed for

      Gun rights advocates are particularly concerned with one measure – S.B. 16 – that would expand the definition of “assault firearm” and ban them.

      Um…

  58. avatar Vlad Tepes says:

    Liberal localities declaring themselves immigration sanctuary cities chose to limit cooperation with federal immigration enforcement authorities. But while cities can legally choose not to voluntarily work with federal immigration agencies, counties have no legal standing to expressly refuse to enforce state law, says Richard Schragger, a professor of law at the University of Virginia School of Law.

    The resolutions, he says, are largely symbolic.

    “The legal effect of these is quite limited,” Schragger says. “It’s mostly an expressive act.”

    All law enforcement agencies exercise discretion when setting crime-fighting priorities, so local law enforcement officials could choose not to aggressively enforce gun laws, Schragger says. But most firearm regulations, including background checks, are enforced by state police anyway, meaning that local authorities would not have a hand in enforcing many state gun laws.

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