http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNC8l2VVL0U
There’s no getting around it: the conflict between gun control and gun rights advocates is bound to get bloody. It’s only a matter of time before some New York, New Jersey or other state law enforcement officer (LEO) tries to enforce a ban against “high-capacity” magazines and/or “assault rifles” and meets armed resistance. Ruby Ridge redux. Equally, if Uncle Sam’s SWAT teams try to enforce a federal AWB or mag cap law inside a “firearms friendly” state chances are they’ll face armed resistance from gun/mag owners and local law enforcement. Yes there is that . . .
Hundreds of sheriffs around the country have signed pledges promising not enforce any federal firearms law requiring confiscation. The stage is set for state vs. federal LEO armed conflict.
One wonders if local LEOs will walk the talk should push come to shove with federal firearms legislation. Will they [literally] stand with gun owners who own modern sporting rifles and standard capacity magazines?
This is no longer a pie-in-the-sky theoretical question (nor has it been since Hurrican Katrina). As foxnews.com reports, Texas is talking tough on the f-the-feds’ firearms frisking front.
Under a measure advancing in the Texas Capitol, local police officers could be convicted of a crime for enforcing any new federal gun control laws.
Rep. Steve Toth, a newly elected Republican from the Woodlands, said his proposal would prevent officers from carrying out any future federal orders to confiscate assault rifles and ammunition magazines.
“There’s a federal law, there’s a 30-round magazine right in front of you – what do I do?” Toth said in an interview. The measure known as the Firearm Protection Act “answers that question in spades,” he said. It moved Tuesday to the House Committee on Federalism . . .
“The federal government is not our boss,” [Texas rep Richard] Mack said. “If there’s any place that that’s applicable and true, it’s the state of Texas.”
So Texas lawmen will be required to resist Uncle Sam’s gun-grabbing goons. And there is another place where the “you’re not the boss of me” spirit will inform any federal push to ban any type of firearm or magazine.
examiner.com reports that one Badger State Sheriff is in the Hell-no side of the conflict and agrees that federal gun control spells big trouble in little China (so to speak).
Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke warned of a second American revolution if gun control and gun confiscation passed and said he would not enforce laws requiring confiscation in his county . . .
“First of all, to me that would be an act of tyranny,” he said of the gun control measures currently under consideration. “So the people in Milwaukee County do not have to worry about me enforcing some sort of order that goes out and collects everybody’s handgun, or rifles, or any kind of firearm and makes them turn them in.”
Gun rights advocates who’ve pronounced a federal assault weapons ban and mag cap laws dead in the water better be right. Otherwise, out west at least, there will be hell to pay. Otherwise there could well be another Ruby Ridge or another Waco. Or lots of them. Or worse.
And then what?
Oh, one other comment of his, on the role of nature versus nurture and pits:
“If you raised a human the way a lot of these ferociously aggressive pits that have really mauled or killed people were raised, you would have a serial killer on your hands.”
For giggles, I just looked over their instructional cadre’s bios. For the most part their credentials consist of taking Yeager classes or somebody else’s classes, not any real-life experiences in combat.
As I said, a real joke.
They should add a proviso that once caught taking the guns, they are lifetime banned from owning guns again themselves, and their State/County/City Pensions would be forfeited… Put some teeth in these measures….
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ScottyV
Lefties and sotero would jizz for joy if a ruby ridge or waco popped up…..do you realize how much this would take away from jobs, federal debt, budget, health care and all the other crap that REALLY needs attention? Plus, face it, a few shootouts are easy for the thugs in DC to work, pass some laws, tell some lies, and make this seem like next big thing….save me a spot by the TV in the fema camp.
“… save me a spot by the TV in the fema camp.”
I would but I already called dibs for a spot at the kids table in Hell.
The Florida Sheriff’s Association has said they will not enforce any federal laws against the 2nd amendment. The problem is that they believe the right to bear arms means you have a right to own a single shot .22 and that’s about it. I suspect most LE agencies feel the same way.
Reminds me of the hipster douche Seth Hendrix and his amazement over the “fact” that they sell MACHINE GUNS AT WALMART!
I guess I missed that sale? Was that a special on Black Friday?
/sarcasm
The weapons bans are just the last straw in the barrage of socialist agenda that has half the country fed up. There is no reason to believe the left won’t keep pushing until they get pushed back hard enough to understand clearly where the boundaries are.
The feds will play it safe and claim suspected terrorism
for every target. Local and county LE won’t be told jack,
just that Fed agents need backup for taking down a
terrorist. I can also see the Feds taking a few people (not
politically motivated in any way. Really. I swear.) to
make an example of ; but for the most part, rural America
will be avoided. I think that after a few raids like
Albuquerque and we’ll see local LE support to the Feds
dry up preemptively. Why? The federal agents don’t
live in the area. And in small rural towns, word will
spread fast that the local LE can’t be trusted.
I do not believe any local law enforcement will stand up to confiscations.
I disagree. For one thing, there are Patriots amongst them. (Some even post here.) Second, there are combat vets who are LEOs who won’t be afraid of a “proper” gunfight. At all.
It’s not about being afraid. It’s about bowing to the fed when they come a’knocking. You might get a few in each precinct that would definitely stand up, but their fellow officers won’t, and those few either won’t go against their fellow officers, or will be “put in their place” by those fellow officers.
They already enforce unconstitutional laws and use unconstitutional measures, why would they balk at another one? They will protect their paychecks and pensions until the cost of being a government employees gets too high.
look close at 0:47. Friggin Mosins!
I just picked up my first 91/30 at my FFL lastnight. Its a 1926 Tula with a hex receicer and is in amazing shape. I found a few places that have plenty of bulk 7.62×54 in stock, pay day cant come soon enough.
Have fun with your 91/30! I am thinking of going with a brass stacker setup and a pistol scope with my 91/30. My M44 has a scout setup with a red dot. I don’t have a place to shoot it around here unfortunately.
The Mosin Nagant 91/30 is an excellent weapon! I was watching video of some crazy fellow crushing cinderblock with the buttstock! It is designed to sustain maximum punishment, and to continue to function in the worst of conditions.
During the battles of Stalingrad and Leningrad, the temperatures would drop to as low as 150 degrees CELCIUS. Not farenheit, celcius, and these firearms were functional whilst their German counterparts were chiseling ice! When the bolts froze on the Mosins, the crazy Russians would bang the bolt open with a friggin hammer, pour boiling water down the barrels, run a patch through em, and they were back to killing Wehrmacht meat socks! Try THAT with a modern .308 rifle……
A very simple weapon functionally as well, per design as most Russkie stuff is. Like the AK-47 that came later, it was designed to take the dumbest farmboy from the Ukraine, drop him at a recruitment depot and have him completely versed with the weapon IN UNDER 4 HOURS OF TRAINING. Brilliant……
One tip for SHTF situations and using a Mosin; the open sights are designed to place reasonably accurate shots at up to 300 meters. The 7.62x54r is a hot round designed to lose very little trajectory in flight, and it can tend to shoot a tad high. Recruits were trained to aim for the beltbuckle of opponents. If the round shoots high and hot, you’ll still get a torso hit with the round.
Oh, and not to be Nanny G, but clean the things after shooting em. The surplus, while cheap and hearty, is corrosive, and WILL begin to pit the inner barrel if not cleaned. Anything with ammonia, like Windex, will do the job and neutralize the mercury salts of the corrosive surplus rounds.
This what’s going to start happening:
Gun importers and dealers, forgetting to dot their I’s or cross their T’s, missing some ATF paperwork, will have their assets seized.
Sheriff Clark is as good as it gets. He wrote the book on common sense. When this guy talks someone should chisel it in stone. Sorry for the superlatives, after some of the asshats I need to cheer the guy on, Randy
Tenth amendment vs. commerce and supremacy clauses. There’s a chance these state laws lead to challanges in the courts before challanges in the streets.
I heard that Texas issued a warning to grabber in chief. They said that when you get your nato troups together we’ll see them at the border, Randy
When I carry, there are 16 rounds of critical duty in my SD9. Hornaday Critical Duty 147 Grain. I’m in too many secured buildings with my job so it isn’t convenient to carry every day. But then there is an Applegate folder and 15 years of Krav Maga which means elbows, knees…
He needs to take his meds and after he calms down take a read through the Constitution. Also maybe he should look up the meaning of genocide.
As a gun owner, a decently rational college student, and an American, it’s talk like this that honestly concerns me. Do you gentlemen ever really think what another American Civil War would be like?
I’ve never been in combat. Have you? Are you really willing to see your house blown to smithereens over universal background checks? Do you want to apply a trauma bandage to your range buddy’s (or wife’s) sucking chest wound?
Like most, there is a point when I feel a people have the duty to fight for their rights, freedom, and independence. For me, that moment is a long way away, and these types of statements make me incredibly wary. I hope I’m not the only one.
What happened to gun reviews and Irresponsible Gun Owner of the Day, polled as some of the most popular items on the TTAG survey and earning the most page views? Maybe we should call this website the Truth About Political Rhetoric.
I’d be curious to know exactly where your line in the sand is, exactly at what point you’d “stand up.” If you can’t recognize the state the country’s already in and the treason that goes on every single day by our political betters, when will you recognize it?
So really, the fear of death is enough to keep you from fighting? Wow. I’m glad there weren’t more men like you in 1941 or 1775. Serfs need to emigrate back to Europe.
As the saying goes” I would rather die on my feet a free man than live on my knees as a slave”
And yes I have been in combat, 3yrs as an infantryman.
Great quote. Thank you for your comment as well as your service.
That ABQ raid stinks to high heaven. The guy was an ANTIQUE ARMS DEALER. This isn’t about fighting crime; it’s about GRABBING HEADLINES and SCARING GUN DEALERS AND OWNERS. We’ll huff and we’ll puff and we’ll…..
Or worse & then what? Hopefully sadam hussein on trial, Randy
We just need people to sign up on the gun control and gun rights side from now on.
Exactly.
A small blade. Too broke to afford a handgun and SC CC laws are a joke.
I live in a small town. I think I will go ask my local police a question. If a mandate to confiscate guns comes down, will they support it?
I am real curious as to their answer.
His idiocy just blew my mind.
excellent post.
Probably not a good idea to mess with angry jews.
Leave Brittany alone!!!
This twat is doing this just to get pageviews for ad revenue. By providing a link you are driving clicks (and thus money) in his direction. This beast needs to die by starvation, so stop feeding him.
replace the link with a screenshot if you want to talk about anything Adrian Chen does…better yet, ignore him and wait for him to go away.
Considering that the demand for Armalite products is such that there is virtually nothing on the shelves they could have fallen in with the rest and felt zero economic impact. I need not mention that the move would have been a huge plus in the PR department as well.
I don’t think this is going to turn out well at all.
Charlie (some people just don’t get it!)
The point that Westrom seems to be missing is that his policy supports a caste system where the members of royalty (in this case LE) have special privileges not available to the serfs. No one despised royalty more than the Founding Fathers and the Constitution was written to provide equal Human Rights to all, not just the select few.
Mr. Westrom, tear down this wall!
It’s truly pathetic when one has to cheat in order to try to win with a losing argument.
The Bolshevik revolution, Iranian revolution, and Egyptian revolution were led by those who perceived their governments as oppressive. None of these resulted in more freedoms for the people. They went from bad to worse. Anyway, talk of armed uprising or resistance only validates the points of gun control advocates by making gun owners look like extremists that need to be disarmed for the safety of all. The way to overcome is through legislation (encouraging NRA membership and voting), education (take your friends to the range), and litigation (the preferred approach of the SAF).
What about us paranoid lefties who exercise our gun ownership rights out of fear of another Bush-like GOP government.
It’s not left vs right, it’s the people holding onto their rights and powers against excesses of government from both parties.
I got banned from /r/guns for saying very mean things about Gawker and the Mods being retarded for censoring “Political” threads, the mods are angry Obama supporters who don’t like anyone pointing negative comments towards Obama/Biden so they censor in an attempt to make it all PC and faggot friendly, it’s effin’ retarded. use /r/progun instead.
Smith mod. 60 w/ hornady critical def., when i carry, but i spend most of my time on a college campus. A SOG Twitch II goes everywhere.
I thought the “superficial” trait was the color of his skin, implying that gunnies are racist.
I wasn’t able to make it to this hearing, but from what I heard the 50/50 split on talk time between gun rights advocates and gun control advocates didn’t last very long. The gun control advocates ran out of people to talk.
What it’s really all about is Rights of the People vs. Powers of Government. Sure a person could say that rights are about property rights. That a person’s body is their property, the outcome of their labor is their property, what they own from their labor is their property and their house and the land it’s on is their property, but goin’ back to that idea of actuality vs. reality, the actuality is that’s not true, and the reality that people still have rights is more perception than anything else. Read all about the idea that people have rights, they grant only certain powers to people in government and only by consent.
What’s called confiscatory taxation and unlimited regulation has surely ended that idea for good and for all time.
Anyone working for a living doesn’t have the right to the money they earn, only what the federal government allows them to keep, and that’s in the places they don’t have state taxes people have to pay too.
Law abiding Citizens? There’s more laws than anyone can even give you a number for let alone know what they are and more being passed every day.
Right to own property? Not hardly. With local taxes you can’t ever own your property you’re really just renting it.
Right to privacy? That ended with the electronic age.
BTW, back in about ‘96 or so at the University of Chicago, Mr. O made the statement to John Lott that I don’t believe anyone should be able to own guns.
Sure some would put that one in the category of as un-American a statement that’s ever been made.
Two last things. Intentional violations of a person’s rights is an actual crime and the general rule for use of force is only that amount of force necessary to cause the perpetrator of a rights-violating crime to cease and desist. So the person who’s committing the criminal act is the one who made the decision and the person defending their rights is only doing what they’re supposed to do.
i carry a police officer on my back everywhere i go, because civilians shouldn’t own guns.
Hmmm…
Methinks another Waco would end differently had the defenders the occasional bucket of water into which to dunk a gas round, masks and tongs – instead of pre-dousing the pace with petrol.
Also, there was a tidge more to the whole “get the Davidians” shindig than a few weapons violations.
Just sayin’.
Russ, Kansan
They actually singled out blokes on the NTWL?
Seems a tidge redundant.
Russ
“establish weapon-free zones” in areas near schools, etc., but “The bill only targets those found unlawfully carrying a weapon, not people who obtained their firearms legally.”
Are those “unlawfully carrying” allowed near schools, or anywhere, now? What does this mean?
Why do the states that already have the most gun control laws are the very states that are the most corrupt?
Send a shock wave to Dianne Feinstein and the extreme left.
Sign the petition to repeal Senate Bill SBX211. When the entire Los Angeles
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Google SBX211 and sign the petition. COMPLETE
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Where do I begin? How about here:
“Revise definition of a destructive device to include a ban on certain weapons that are .50-caliber or higher. … certain black powder muzzleloaders would also be exempt.”
Only certain black powder muzzleloaders would be exempt? How could any black powder muzzleloader be a “destructive device”?!?!?!?
But this one is my favorite:
“Reduce the maximum capacity of magazines to 10 rounds … Retired police officers would be exempt from the reduction.”
Thus there is one set of laws for the people and a different set of laws for ex-police — it must be nice being Noblemen. If only New Jersey would just get it over with and bestow some title of nobility to ex-police. (Our U.S. Constitution specifically forbids titles of nobility in Article I, Section 9, Clause 8).
I make it my job to recruit newbies into the cult of the gun every day. We cover safety first and then have controled fun. Turned my Chicago born sister-in-law into a believer with one fun afternoon with empty popcans, a shotgun, and a SW22a. Its a good thing to have an organized event so people can plan it.
Another plus is the threaded barrel – add a can to it.
“Fast forward a hundred years and imagine if those doughboys had the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle in those trenches with them.” Still, my preference for up close and personal is a M-1 Garand (with bayonet). Relatively compact, and it is hard to argue with the value of a steel buttplate on a 9-lb rifle for horizontal or vertical buttstrokes when you are within knife fighting range.
No, because the regimented manner in which shooting ranges are run makes it impossible to do anything in a relaxed, informal, and enjoyable manner.
In othe words, shooting ranges take the fun out of shooting.
When it’s just me, this is not a problem. I tolerate it. But I will not subject anyone else to “gun range culture”.
“Gawker’s Adrian Chen has been called out before as being one of new media’s biggest “click whores” and gun control advocates.”
Sadly, the only cure for stupid is retroactive abortion.
” Allow the attorney general to seize firearms in the possession of people deemed by a mental health professional to be a threat to themselves or others.”
So if you yell at someone who cut you off in traffic, and that person is in the Health care field, she sees your NRA sticker and calls the cops and says you are acting dangerously (crazy)…
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Shows that the media’s to blame not guns. They glorify these animals then it rubs off on loser who want fame this is why there are mass killings. BAN ABC CBS and NBC/MSNBC!!!!!
It’s not a slave state, as the citizens of that state (technically) have the ability to move. Which isn’t to say they may have social or fiscal reasons that preclude them easily doing it, just that it’s a possibility.
Government is only empowered by consent of those in power. If you have the power (your arms) and you chose to give it up, then you have consented to their ability to remove your rights whether that be implicit or explicit. If you were withheld from moving, then it would be a slave state.
I think a better title would be Adult vs Peter Pan states. Those states where people are willing to take personal responsibility, and those states where people want to think happy thoughts and wish bad things away. Or maybe cry, beg and soil themselves if that doesn’t work.
Feb 1 02:33 PMA direct comparison between Coach and MK is hardly apples-to-apples.
It is a substantial tote with bamboo specifics and embellished with metallic and leather ornaments.
Some tweeters were already agog with excitement about the wedding day.
One per customer.
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Is it considered extreme to protect my land and family from tyranny? Im not taking to the streets in open combat unless theres no other option. I have spent a considerable sum of money getting custom cut glass to line the inside of my walls and roof with. The govt now has no way of knowing how many people and what were armed with without forced entry.
MOG… u watch… your scenerio will happen within 2 years.
Here we go again. Lots of talk and no action.
Do the gun grabbers really have a majority of the vote? Or is just well intentioned folks trying to make a difference?
How many times do we have to tell them that, criminals will always have guns ( just like drugs), if someone attacks me I want to be able to defend myself, and a militia is not under current politicians control.
These Pols want one of two things or both, power and money. I am not better off under the regimes crafted by either administration, they are.
If Feinstein, Bloomberg, and Obama just disappeared we would all be better off and the country would be safer. As in voted out, not sleeping with say Jimmy Hoffa. Though I can see where some are preaching don’t shoot it will fuel the firestorm and others are saying get it done now before our kids have to do it.
I don’t believe either the Dems or Reps get it right. We are turning into a nation of extremes. The only common denominator for the politicians seems to be, to take our money to do what they want! It isn’t why I voted for or against them, nor why they think they have the right!
ADC USN/Ret