The last time we shot down this idea it was voiced by New York Times columnist and gun grabber Joe Nocera. As loathe as I am to ask our Armed Intelligentsia to reprise their reasoning for rejecting biometric guns, needs must. Obama loves ’em! And it seems that the National Shooting Sports Foundation’s (NSSF) more convincing argument against the technology didn’t make CNN‘s video. Instead we got this: “‘The firearms were accessible to Adam Lanza. They should not have been,’ said Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation. ‘If [Mrs. Lanza] had one that had this sort of authorized user recognition onboard the firearm, presumably he would’ve had access to that.'” Huh? Question: would you trust a biometric gun made by a man who lasers a reporter’s pelvis?
A weapon is only as responsible and “smart” as the person using it.
It’s been said before by many others: when all the police are carrying them, then maybe I’ll be interested. Only when it’s reliable enough for a cop’s duty sidearm, will I consider it reliable enough to trust my life to.
Lucky for me, that will not happen anytime soon, because this technology is no where near ready for the big leagues.
I disagree. I do not care what risks LEOs are willing to take ( or are forced to take by their management for political or legal liability or other reasons. 12 lb trigger DAO pistols anyone?) What they use is irrelevant to my personal risk decisions.
The technology is simple, and already exists in safes, time clocks, and so forth. This has been available for a long time.
The problem is welcome news for all of us: FOLKS AREN’T YET BUYING INTO IT. And will the presence of solvents, oils, dirt and mud make the gun unlockable? There’s your reason the military has no enthusiasm for it!
“On the other side of the coin, there are people like myself. Those who used to vote for candidates based on a wide array of factors, and were as happy to vote Democrat as Republican, but who have now become single issue voters using gun control as the litmus test. And those pissed off voters are the ones that will make all the difference in 2014.”
I used to take pride in the fact that I wasn’t a single issue voter. I don’t know that I will be in the future, but I do know I cannot vote for my current senators again. (from Franken & Klobuchar) both cosponsored Fienstein’s abomination.
I will simply refer to Murphy’ law and it’s corollary:
– What can go wrong, will.
– It will go wrong at the worst possible time.
(These laws also are applicable to why the first round in your 12 ga for HD should be #1 buck or larger)
If there’s a 50/50 chance something can go wrong, 9 times out of 10 it will.
Most people just don’t care one way of the other. They want to make some $, spend time with family and friends and live their lives in peace and quiet. The President’s histrionics and child props don’t influence them because they don’t pay attention. Those of us who have a dog in the fight are the most passionate. And yes, I am officially a single issue voter. Can’t wait to get to VA where it will matter.
Don’t vote for that crony capitalist carpetbagging awb-ban loving McAuliffe. This guy is bad news all around.
I can develop a poll that would show “90% of American voters feel that the media should be more closely regulated by the government to prevent terrorists from organizing, and to prevent media outlets being racist” – or whatever drivel is your cause of the day. So let’s trash the First Amendment, because 90% of Americans agree.
That is why it is called the Bill of RIGHTS, and it is not subject to a popular vote. Those who do not like the 2nd Amendment are welcome to follow the legal process to amend the Constitution.
Lanza’s mother took him shooting at the range, therefore he would have been set up as an authorized user, assuming you will be able to program more than one user.
The one’s that use an RFID or the watch are laughable, you steal the “key” when you steal the gun, simple. And since the owner probably took off the key before they went to bed it should be easy to take them out.
Excellent point – and you’re not even psychic!
What a stupid idea…its hard enough to find a gun that will eat any ammo and run 100% always.
would you trust a biometric gun made by a man who lasers a reporter’s pelvis?
Muzzling a man’s nether region is just wrong. But it would be okay if he actually shot the b@stard.
No computer can outsmart a person there always a mechanical way to kill the computer and let the gun mechanics work fine. Since there no way to get there AWB now or any registration. They will spend next 2 year annoying us with crap like this.
I agree with a comment over at Breitbart. As soon as the Secret Service and Federal LEOs put it through its paces, we can roll it out to the masses.
I’d like a “law giver” from Judge Dredd.
I’ve owned a number of handguns, for quite a few years. I advocated for shall-issue laws, and when we finally passed a shall-issue law in my state, I obtained a permit, and carried with some regularity. But I never thought I was at much risk.
After all, I didn’t do drugs, I wasn’t involved in gang activity, I had none of the characteristics that would make it statistically likely that I’d be targeted as a victim of violent crime.
Then I came home from work, one day, and found a strange woman sleeping on my couch. She was an old friend of my housemate, and was in hiding after having fled an abusive boyfriend.
Most people are not at risk. But risk can change very quickly.
“Huh? Question: would you trust a biometric gun made by a man who lasers a reporter’s pelvis?”
Exactly. I noticed this too at 0:32 seconds.
They should call them “smart, unreliable guns.” I can just see a police officer trying to fire his weapon to save a life and remembers he forgot to change the battery in his firearm enabling watch.
I’m sure Obama is all for it – however I’m also sure Secret Service would never carry them.
Once the secret service adopts them for ALL of their firearms, then I’ll consider purchasing one. One being a smart gun enabled M16, MP7, or other gun suitable for defense, as is the SS’s job.
Great. So if every firearm was required to have one and someone sets off an emp blast…guess what? … Instant gun control!
CA legislature has hard on for these things.
They can be authorized for several individuals (dad, mom, older son) so they would NOT have helped in the Lanza situation. On the converse, if I only authorize myself and my wife and I get shot confronting an intruder and the wife (authorized) is too far to pickup the gun that fell from my hand, and the son is able to pick it up but is not authorized, I need to save enough money to pay for all of our funerals.
The original bill was introduced in January:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s174/text
What about this scenario:
Home invasion.
Husband fires at home invader # 1, but home invader #2 makes a serious hit on the homeowner. Husband says to his wife, “take this” and hands her his pistol so that she may defend their family with him being seriously wounded or dying.
Wife brings handgun to bear on the first home invader to come into view, presses the trigger, only to hear “click.”
Thanks for nothing.
All assorted technologies involved in a “solution” to the smart gun concept have existed for a very long time.
Smart guns do not exist in any numbers and will continue not to exist in any numbers because virtually no one wants one.
I hate to burst bubbles but….. She was permitted to vote that way by her democrat masters. Since she is a freshman they need her to be re-elected. Once she’s safely past her first term, she’ll have to toe the line, just like the rest of them. Since democrats are not permitted to vote their consciences she’ll be one more cog in the treason party’s wheel
When I saw all the guns, badges and tactical uniforms on TV, my first thought was there goes the constitution. I could not believe my eyes and ears. Was this really happening in the USA? Then I thought well it is Massachusetts…
Not to sound like I’m advocating insurrection, but how do they think they’ll disarm us if we can do that too?
“On the other side of the coin, there are people like myself. Those who used to vote for candidates based on a wide array of factors, and were as happy to vote Democrat as Republican, but who have now become single issue voters using gun control as the litmus test. ”
As a slave state resident for at least 3 more years, I plan on volunteering to make phone calls against Red State gun grabbers.
This is a promise…
Your videos sir, have made me interested in competitions like this.
And picking up a SCAR of course. 🙂
+1 To everyone who said that thing is ugly, however if it somehow solved a problem I’d still appreciate it for It’s function. What stymies’ me is discerning it’s purpose. A 5 shot tube and shiny chrome on a ‘defensive’ shotgun? It seems that revealing the chrome rather than jacketing it in something non-reflective is a ‘show-off’ rather than a functional matter. . . meaning that one of the main reasons for owning one are its aesthetics, which are poor to begin with.
Glock’s tenifer, H&K’s Hostile Environment, and many other reliable (and low glare) finishes will accomplish extreme levels of corrosion resistance w/o the flash and the ugly. For that matter, a few minutes attention with an oily rag once in a while will keep most finishes going for a very long time, and on a less expensive gun with higher capacity and more aftermarket accessories . I have a Mossberg 500 that has been exposed to marine and littoral environments, and extensively to rain, damp and poor maintenance that shows only minor spots of discoloration on the exterior of the barrel, with no pitting, and this on a $200 gun with an 8 shot tube, and after 10 years of borderline abusive exposure (it’s been a boat gun, truck gun, camp gun, shed gun . . .it’s the go to gun when I don’t want to ugly something else up). Functionally it’s still flawless, still cheaper, more versatile, and has higher capacity.
I suppose if you really, really didn’t care what the gun looked like, found the capacity acceptable, and refuse to perform maintenance on your ‘defensive’ gun, ever. . . (and if this is you, I give up on talking sense), you could improve this thing by wrapping skate board tape around the worst of it’s shiny parts, stove blacking the rest, shooting it’s works full of lithium grease and. . . praying that after years of neglect the ammo is still workable, have a shotgun that would come out shooting without blinding you or indicating your position to everyone for miles on the water.
Or I suppose you could get 2 M500 Maverick 88s for the same money, and in about 20 years when one gets too rusty, simply swap in the other that’s been in dry storage.
Or you could use any decently finished ‘defensive’ and just pull maintenance on it one every couple of months at least, like you know you should, and you’d always have a better, less ugly, and more useful shotgun available.
An afterthought: I’ve had shotgun shells develop so much corrosion that they were difficult to chamber after 15 years in a closet. . . in a climate controlled house. . . I cannot imagine that under conditions sufficient to destroy a shotgun the shells would be serviceable for more than a couple of years, if that. It seems to me that the mindset behind a shotgun that’s primary feature is little to no maintenance in a marine environment lends it’s self to having a pristine gun and non-functioning ammo when the need eventually arises.
@Trey – in most cases, you get what you pay for. Or put it this way, if there were “decent optics in the $100 to $250 range” that were as good as the $600 setups, then that’s what everyone would buy and the $600+ options simply wouldn’t exist. There’s a reason that they cost more.
I have an EOTech matched with a Primary Arms 3x (extended eye relief) magnifier and a flip-up mount. The whole setup cost $621 (shipping included). I’ve tinkered with the Burris fastfires and a number of other, less expensive, setups. None of them compared to the EOTech. Admittedly, “as good” and “good enough” are not the same thing. A fastfire may be “good enough”. But I can assure you that they aren’t as good as the more expensive setups.
Can someone explain the inertia assist? Googling revealed no satisfactory explanations.
He never skirts an issue, that’s for sure.
I am no where near as fine as KK. I however, will wear my gun emblazoned clothing unapologetically when and where I choose with NO regard to who may be offended. The political correctness that has overtaken this country makes me want to puke, as well as the hypocrisy by those who profit from violence in music and film, yet demonize guns when accosted by press cameras.
The pic is damn funny, but Stacey Campfield is not the guy who should be poking fun at things like that, given his similarly close-minded cluelessness on other topics that he feels he is qualified to judge on (to wit, homosexuality and AIDS).
Well…bye!
“there are people like myself. Those who used to vote for candidates based on a wide array of factors, and were as happy to vote Democrat as Republican, but who have now become single issue voters using gun control as the litmus test. ”
+1… describes me to a tee as well. Although, it has been maybe 7 years since I first became a “single issue voter.” I tend to vote Libertarian now whenever possible (meaning, the election is not expected to be close one way or the other and I’m not “wasting” my vote).
Who cares? He is a foreign interloper with a big mouth and a pea brain.
I love Blue Force, it is cutting edge tech. I am honestly concidering switching over to BFG and dumping all my Cordura stuff think of LBE that weighs ounces instead of pounds
Thanks for the heads up, guess I won’t go out of my way to watch it…….
So I’m curious about the part claiming the founding fathers mandated gun registration along with annual inspections. That just doesng sound right after the shall not be infringed part of the 2A and yes I understand if there’s any truth to that it was to ensure those weapons were functioning and the video is using it out of context.
I’ve seen Piers Morgan in the locker room if the sporting club sans clothes and he is quie lacking in the manhood department. 4 inches rock hard I’d guesstimate with a pair of nuts like acorns. No wonder he’s such a pissy little wet hen of a Brit.
I need to move to the country and get a dog.
http://youtu.be/swmuqGWgZCc
that man has done thing with a shotgun that to this day still boggles my mind…rest in peace you will be missed
Personally, I do not care how viable this technology ever gets, requiring all guns to be “smart,” IMO, seems like a blatant infringement on my rights.