OK, a bullpup Mosin “job” finally beats the bullpup mini-14 “job” of TacticalDoodle (introduced with great fanfare @ 15:35) *edit* the embed video doesn’t work, but you can click through to YouTube if you want to see a hilarious hatchet job
I get why people don’t like nutnfancy, but must you people bring him in to everything. If you don’t like his videos you can start with not talking about him 10× more than his fan base.
I’m sure your response was spurred by other things you’ve seen, but I don’t dislike he and his. I thought this was funny, and meant to be. The “we totally jacked up this mini” theme was thick in the air.
hes not terrible, but his videos are up there with power point presentations. tooo dang long most of the time
The only thing less practical than running a bolt-action rifle as a “Weapon of War” is turning it into a Bullpup bolt action. Oh well, it’s your money.
At least in stock configuration it was possible to fire somewhat quickly. What’s the point of this?
I am more a fan of the Kushnapup for Saigas. I used to have two, in fact. One was a 12 gauge and the other 7.62×39. I actually don’t think the Center Balanced stock is very good, but it was the only option for the Mosin Nagant… that I found.
And for full disclosure, the other bullpups I own are a Shernic Gunworks SKS, a Bullpups Unlimited Remington 870, a Hightower Armory 90/22, a Walther G22, and a Tavor.
Edit: Denis, in my opinion, the Kushnapup is better made, better looking, and more ergonomic than the CB… but you know what they say about opinions.
I looked at the Kushnapup, but it was bordering on vaporware at the time, and the trigger linkage wasn’t impressing me. I also didn’t like the AUG-style layout.
The Center Balance Spike stock has a thick trigger bar that interfaces the face of the host trigger, and once I got mine dialed in it feels pretty good. Yeah, the chassis is heavy, but I don’t much mind considering what it’s for.
I have a 1927 Izzy that is in good shape and is a fabulous shooter for being nearly 90 years old. I wouldn’t subject my beloved Mosin to that kind of bull pup makeover either.
Yes desert tech did bullpup bolt actions before their MDR. If you watch the video of cbrps using it, they use it fairly easily, but I imagine it would be extremely difficult to manipulate the Mosin bolt on that set up.
A 39 izzy is simply a 91/30 that was made in 1939. Model 44’s were started in production in 1944.
16v, I try to explain the bolt below.
jwm, I’m familiar with Mosins – I have more than a few that are pre-WWII and know the history of the later models as well.
My point was that the photo tells sweet FA. So many re-arsenals, who can say without a thorough examination what anyone is talking about with their Izhevsk Mosin?
Izhevsk made several variants in that time frame.
An AR/pistol combo is a great combination. And the AR is a modular masterpiece. What better for a weapon of war?
You don’t mind whatsoever that a perfectly good rifle was violated to make this?
I mean, go ahead and put your savage axis, ruger American, or whatever into one of these, but can people stop butchering vintage rifles already? It’s not 1960 when a good American hunting rifle is 5x the cost of a bulk-bought Mauser.
That should be a drop in stock. Any mods made to the original rifle can be quickly undone if he kept the parts he removed to fit the new stock. The issue wood stock, trigger and front sight.
As long as the barrel wasn’t threaded, and I doubt it was, to put that muzzle thingy on nothing permanent was done.
Muzzle brake looks like it’s welded or something onto the bayonet locking mechanism. So they at least destroyed one part.
“You don’t mind whatsoever that a perfectly good rifle was violated to make this?
A) there were something like 17.5 MILLION Mosin Nagants made. Cry me a river over one.
B) It is still a perfectly good rifle. Just as accurate as before but unique and a wee-tiny-bit more handy? Ok, I can’t even convince myself of that last part. Sorry.
I think something like 38,000,000 mosins were made, if he had a Rare variant, it would be different. Plus it’s better than a slow death sitting in some ones basement
Yep. Even by standards of the time they weren’t great rifles. I don’ get the love for it.
It’d be sad to see someone butcher a pristine one with all matching parts and stuff, but all the beat to crud arsenal refurbs? Who cares. I don’t really get the point of it–for less money you could get a Ruger American or something–but its not like it’s a rare piece of kit
Easy killer. My mosin ‘ bolt is smooth as, uh, sandpaper and operates like a, uh, nightmare. Nevermind all that though. My mosin was my first rifle and I love it wholeheartedly, flaws and all. It did what it was designed to do.
Here’s the poop on the bolt. Oh, yeah it’s my gun by the way. I read an article here on TTAG about a left handed bolt for the MN and thought, “I can do something like that.” I cut a straight bolt off at 45 degrees and welded it back together pointing 90 degrees upward. The way you operate it is take your left (forward/weak) hand off the fore end and allow the nose to drop slightly. Pull the bolt to the left and back, the nose-drop allows the bolt to glide right above your shoulder. Snick it forward and to the right again and… Robert is the sibling of one of your parental units.
No, no, no, no! I’m not a lefty… neither handed nor politically. The left handed bolt is so you don’t take your strong hand off the pistol grip to cycle it. It makes more sense in person… well, as much sense as this thing will ever make!
Forgot to ‘splain the muzzle brake. I found it on e-bay. It IS a bayonet mounting lug welded to an AK-74 style brake and it works really well… at least I assume it works well as I haven’t actually shot this without it. It kicks less than my 7.62x54r Vepr though so I’m going with that. I still have the bayonet which came with the gun along with the factory furniture so my heirs (Ha, that’s a good one!) can reinstate it if they want to.
So the timney trigger cost more than the rifle. Throw in the bull pup stock and the time to make the bolt wrong and you could have got a left handed factory rifle for new.
Trigger was 2/3 what I paid for the gun IIRC but the stock was double… then there’s the muzzle brake which was about what I paid originally. So, yeah. I have “New AR money” in an old warrior rifle which, apparently, many folks here hate. I never said this thing made any sense. I just like it and it was one of the few pictures I had on my computer to send to TTAG.
Don’t misunderstand. I don’t hate your frankenrifle. It’s your money and sweat equity. I just love yucking on about the old milsurps.
Have you actually shot this thing yet?
I understand. Yes, I have shot it and really dig it. It is way more accurate than I am! Then there’s the looks you get when taking it out at the range. I’d like to say I’m surprised at all the “hate” the thing has generated… but once I gave it some thought, I really wasn’t.
Looks like a Hi-Point had a one night stand with a Mosin, and the love child was born with Harris bipod webbed feet.
I like it and would love to see an M44 in this stock. Hell a slug thrower with flamethrower sounds cool to me! Shoot em and set them on fire in one shot!
I hear you. That “Izzy” thing just effen kills me. I know I’ve reduced most US cities to their airport code, but the “Izzy” thing just grates on me. Not sure why, since I’m just fine with “Remmie”, “S&W” and other terms.
I have a bent bolt for it but reaching over the top was less convenient than the left-pull creation I made for it. Then again, the bent bolt I have was MUCH smoother than this one. Oh well, whattayagonnado?
Well the rifle owner gets points for going in a direction other than the crowd.
I wouldn’t like these mods for mine (a ’38 hex Tula) but mine’s just plain stock.
If push comes to shove my WOW is an AR15 in 5.56, since it’s close to the M16 I trained on. But everyone gets to make their own decisions in a free country, thank goodness for that (until Feinstein gets her way).
cringe worthy abomination you’ve got there
OK, a bullpup Mosin “job” finally beats the bullpup mini-14 “job” of TacticalDoodle (introduced with great fanfare @ 15:35) *edit* the embed video doesn’t work, but you can click through to YouTube if you want to see a hilarious hatchet job
I get why people don’t like nutnfancy, but must you people bring him in to everything. If you don’t like his videos you can start with not talking about him 10× more than his fan base.
I’m sure your response was spurred by other things you’ve seen, but I don’t dislike he and his. I thought this was funny, and meant to be. The “we totally jacked up this mini” theme was thick in the air.
hes not terrible, but his videos are up there with power point presentations. tooo dang long most of the time
“cringe worthy abomination you’ve got there”
Thanks, I’ll take that as a compliment!
The only thing less practical than running a bolt-action rifle as a “Weapon of War” is turning it into a Bullpup bolt action. Oh well, it’s your money.
At least in stock configuration it was possible to fire somewhat quickly. What’s the point of this?
I may submit my center balance saiga 12 bullpup abomination now, thanks to you.
I like theirs more than the kushnapup.
I am more a fan of the Kushnapup for Saigas. I used to have two, in fact. One was a 12 gauge and the other 7.62×39. I actually don’t think the Center Balanced stock is very good, but it was the only option for the Mosin Nagant… that I found.
And for full disclosure, the other bullpups I own are a Shernic Gunworks SKS, a Bullpups Unlimited Remington 870, a Hightower Armory 90/22, a Walther G22, and a Tavor.
Edit: Denis, in my opinion, the Kushnapup is better made, better looking, and more ergonomic than the CB… but you know what they say about opinions.
I looked at the Kushnapup, but it was bordering on vaporware at the time, and the trigger linkage wasn’t impressing me. I also didn’t like the AUG-style layout.
The Center Balance Spike stock has a thick trigger bar that interfaces the face of the host trigger, and once I got mine dialed in it feels pretty good. Yeah, the chassis is heavy, but I don’t much mind considering what it’s for.
Hmmmm…. Uh. Huh.
I don’t know how I feel about this. But whatever floats your boat.
I have a 38 izzy. I corked the barrel and action and did a couple of other tweeks on it but it looks issue. I can’t get into the bull pup stock look.
I have a 1927 Izzy that is in good shape and is a fabulous shooter for being nearly 90 years old. I wouldn’t subject my beloved Mosin to that kind of bull pup makeover either.
Does a bullpup bolty even work?
Yes desert tech did bullpup bolt actions before their MDR. If you watch the video of cbrps using it, they use it fairly easily, but I imagine it would be extremely difficult to manipulate the Mosin bolt on that set up.
Buddy of mine has one, with several switch barrels – accurate enough, but uncomfortable as heck to shoot, non-ergonomic, and about 300% too expensive.
It’s black and scary-looking. It looks like a weapon of war. It must be banned!
M44 maybe….. Interesting though and it’s NOT and AR/pistol combo. Yeah!
A 39 izzy ain’t an m44. M44 would look like a snubbie in that rig and the muzzle flash and blast that close to your face would be harsh.
I can’t see enough to tell anything more than completely agree with you that the barrel length sure doesn’t look consistent with an M44 by a mile.
Also can’t figure what’s up with the bolt, or even if it’s round or hex.
A 39 izzy is simply a 91/30 that was made in 1939. Model 44’s were started in production in 1944.
16v, I try to explain the bolt below.
jwm, I’m familiar with Mosins – I have more than a few that are pre-WWII and know the history of the later models as well.
My point was that the photo tells sweet FA. So many re-arsenals, who can say without a thorough examination what anyone is talking about with their Izhevsk Mosin?
Izhevsk made several variants in that time frame.
An AR/pistol combo is a great combination. And the AR is a modular masterpiece. What better for a weapon of war?
I don’t think he’s knocking the AR as a platform, just noting that the “weapons of war” photo series has had a lot of AR photos.
Good thing I was near a garbage can when I saw this. That is an abomination.
Probably lighter, more accurate, and worth more stock with some love and corking.
This might have a place in the next star wars movie or a Whedon film.
“This might have a place in the next star wars movie or a Whedon film.”
I’m thinking it’s like the opposite of Steampunk… somehow.
Wow!
I actually like it. Nice change of pace from everything else shown so far.
You don’t mind whatsoever that a perfectly good rifle was violated to make this?
I mean, go ahead and put your savage axis, ruger American, or whatever into one of these, but can people stop butchering vintage rifles already? It’s not 1960 when a good American hunting rifle is 5x the cost of a bulk-bought Mauser.
That should be a drop in stock. Any mods made to the original rifle can be quickly undone if he kept the parts he removed to fit the new stock. The issue wood stock, trigger and front sight.
As long as the barrel wasn’t threaded, and I doubt it was, to put that muzzle thingy on nothing permanent was done.
Doesn’t matter. It didn’t deserve this.
Muzzle brake looks like it’s welded or something onto the bayonet locking mechanism. So they at least destroyed one part.
“You don’t mind whatsoever that a perfectly good rifle was violated to make this?
A) there were something like 17.5 MILLION Mosin Nagants made. Cry me a river over one.
B) It is still a perfectly good rifle. Just as accurate as before but unique and a wee-tiny-bit more handy? Ok, I can’t even convince myself of that last part. Sorry.
I think something like 38,000,000 mosins were made, if he had a Rare variant, it would be different. Plus it’s better than a slow death sitting in some ones basement
A lot of haters on here but I’m digging it.
Thank you.
I have zero love for Mosin’s. Whatever you have done to it – it’s an improvement.
/|\ This. They were shit rifles to begin with. Now it is slightly shorter shit.
Yep. Even by standards of the time they weren’t great rifles. I don’ get the love for it.
It’d be sad to see someone butcher a pristine one with all matching parts and stuff, but all the beat to crud arsenal refurbs? Who cares. I don’t really get the point of it–for less money you could get a Ruger American or something–but its not like it’s a rare piece of kit
It seems like it would be awkward as hell trying to work a Mosin bolt that close to your face.
Easy killer. My mosin ‘ bolt is smooth as, uh, sandpaper and operates like a, uh, nightmare. Nevermind all that though. My mosin was my first rifle and I love it wholeheartedly, flaws and all. It did what it was designed to do.
Here’s the poop on the bolt. Oh, yeah it’s my gun by the way. I read an article here on TTAG about a left handed bolt for the MN and thought, “I can do something like that.” I cut a straight bolt off at 45 degrees and welded it back together pointing 90 degrees upward. The way you operate it is take your left (forward/weak) hand off the fore end and allow the nose to drop slightly. Pull the bolt to the left and back, the nose-drop allows the bolt to glide right above your shoulder. Snick it forward and to the right again and… Robert is the sibling of one of your parental units.
And to all the haters… I’m rubber, you’re glue!
A lefty? That explains everything. Another obama supporter. 🙂
No, no, no, no! I’m not a lefty… neither handed nor politically. The left handed bolt is so you don’t take your strong hand off the pistol grip to cycle it. It makes more sense in person… well, as much sense as this thing will ever make!
Forgot to ‘splain the muzzle brake. I found it on e-bay. It IS a bayonet mounting lug welded to an AK-74 style brake and it works really well… at least I assume it works well as I haven’t actually shot this without it. It kicks less than my 7.62x54r Vepr though so I’m going with that. I still have the bayonet which came with the gun along with the factory furniture so my heirs (Ha, that’s a good one!) can reinstate it if they want to.
Oh yeah, it also has a Timney trigger.
So the timney trigger cost more than the rifle. Throw in the bull pup stock and the time to make the bolt wrong and you could have got a left handed factory rifle for new.
Or am I missing something?
Trigger was 2/3 what I paid for the gun IIRC but the stock was double… then there’s the muzzle brake which was about what I paid originally. So, yeah. I have “New AR money” in an old warrior rifle which, apparently, many folks here hate. I never said this thing made any sense. I just like it and it was one of the few pictures I had on my computer to send to TTAG.
Don’t misunderstand. I don’t hate your frankenrifle. It’s your money and sweat equity. I just love yucking on about the old milsurps.
Have you actually shot this thing yet?
I understand. Yes, I have shot it and really dig it. It is way more accurate than I am! Then there’s the looks you get when taking it out at the range. I’d like to say I’m surprised at all the “hate” the thing has generated… but once I gave it some thought, I really wasn’t.
Looks like a Hi-Point had a one night stand with a Mosin, and the love child was born with Harris bipod webbed feet.
I love everything about this.
I was going to take offense at that but then thought, “Yeah, that’s fair enough.”
I think it is pretty damn cool looking Timmy. It is your gun, your money, and your time and if you enjoy it, all were well spent.
It’s novel, I guess, even if it is like putting a spoiler and Truck Nutz on a ’63 Fairlane.
It appears mikeb3200 has resurfaced and if you want to torture the troll, post your weapon of war at just to hear mike squeal…
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3644/britain_wants_its_guns_back
You mean he lied when he said he was dead? Trust a grabber to lie.
I like it and would love to see an M44 in this stock. Hell a slug thrower with flamethrower sounds cool to me! Shoot em and set them on fire in one shot!
I guess I’d better show my 1938 tula now with 4 x Posp scope mod. Anybody have the link to where I can send it? or how to? Thanks
What’s an “Izzy”?
Can’t spell Izhevsk?
I hear you. That “Izzy” thing just effen kills me. I know I’ve reduced most US cities to their airport code, but the “Izzy” thing just grates on me. Not sure why, since I’m just fine with “Remmie”, “S&W” and other terms.
Nice : )
get a bent bolt for it
http://www.mosinnagant.net/Boltman/Boltman.html
I have a bent bolt for it but reaching over the top was less convenient than the left-pull creation I made for it. Then again, the bent bolt I have was MUCH smoother than this one. Oh well, whattayagonnado?
That has to be the strangest, most awkward-looking firearm I’ve ever seen. A true frankenrifle. But hey, whatever. If it works, then we’re good to go.
Well the rifle owner gets points for going in a direction other than the crowd.
I wouldn’t like these mods for mine (a ’38 hex Tula) but mine’s just plain stock.
If push comes to shove my WOW is an AR15 in 5.56, since it’s close to the M16 I trained on. But everyone gets to make their own decisions in a free country, thank goodness for that (until Feinstein gets her way).
Love it!