Show Us Your Weapon of War – 1939 Izzy Mosin Gun Nation by Dan Zimmerman | Dec 27, 2015 | 67 comments facebook twitter linkedin email T’s 1939 Izzy Mosin Nagant in a Center Balanced Rifle System bullpup stock. comments nyet says: December 27, 2015 at 20:06 cringe worthy abomination you’ve got there Reply MIkeP says: December 27, 2015 at 21:44 OK, a bullpup Mosin “job” finally beats the bullpup mini-14 “job” of TacticalDoodle (introduced with great fanfare @ 15:35) *edit* the embed video doesn’t work, but you can click through to YouTube if you want to see a hilarious hatchet job Reply Jimmy says: December 27, 2015 at 23:43 I get why people don’t like nutnfancy, but must you people bring him in to everything. If you don’t like his videos you can start with not talking about him 10× more than his fan base. Reply MIkeP says: December 28, 2015 at 08:50 I’m sure your response was spurred by other things you’ve seen, but I don’t dislike he and his. I thought this was funny, and meant to be. The “we totally jacked up this mini” theme was thick in the air. janitor says: December 29, 2015 at 21:55 hes not terrible, but his videos are up there with power point presentations. tooo dang long most of the time Timmy! says: December 28, 2015 at 00:06 “cringe worthy abomination you’ve got there” Thanks, I’ll take that as a compliment! Reply Cal S. says: December 28, 2015 at 00:34 The only thing less practical than running a bolt-action rifle as a “Weapon of War” is turning it into a Bullpup bolt action. Oh well, it’s your money. At least in stock configuration it was possible to fire somewhat quickly. What’s the point of this? Reply Sian says: December 28, 2015 at 00:38 I may submit my center balance saiga 12 bullpup abomination now, thanks to you. Reply Denis says: December 28, 2015 at 08:02 I like theirs more than the kushnapup. Timmy! says: December 28, 2015 at 08:03 I am more a fan of the Kushnapup for Saigas. I used to have two, in fact. One was a 12 gauge and the other 7.62×39. I actually don’t think the Center Balanced stock is very good, but it was the only option for the Mosin Nagant… that I found. And for full disclosure, the other bullpups I own are a Shernic Gunworks SKS, a Bullpups Unlimited Remington 870, a Hightower Armory 90/22, a Walther G22, and a Tavor. Edit: Denis, in my opinion, the Kushnapup is better made, better looking, and more ergonomic than the CB… but you know what they say about opinions. Sian says: December 29, 2015 at 00:28 I looked at the Kushnapup, but it was bordering on vaporware at the time, and the trigger linkage wasn’t impressing me. I also didn’t like the AUG-style layout. The Center Balance Spike stock has a thick trigger bar that interfaces the face of the host trigger, and once I got mine dialed in it feels pretty good. Yeah, the chassis is heavy, but I don’t much mind considering what it’s for. Tom in Oregon says: December 27, 2015 at 20:07 Hmmmm…. Uh. Huh. Reply S.CROCK says: December 27, 2015 at 20:07 I don’t know how I feel about this. But whatever floats your boat. Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 20:08 I have a 38 izzy. I corked the barrel and action and did a couple of other tweeks on it but it looks issue. I can’t get into the bull pup stock look. Reply Tile floor says: December 27, 2015 at 21:19 I have a 1927 Izzy that is in good shape and is a fabulous shooter for being nearly 90 years old. I wouldn’t subject my beloved Mosin to that kind of bull pup makeover either. Reply Andrew Lias says: December 27, 2015 at 20:15 Does a bullpup bolty even work? Reply Denis says: December 27, 2015 at 20:37 Yes desert tech did bullpup bolt actions before their MDR. If you watch the video of cbrps using it, they use it fairly easily, but I imagine it would be extremely difficult to manipulate the Mosin bolt on that set up. Reply Bolt pup says: December 28, 2015 at 01:41 Buddy of mine has one, with several switch barrels – accurate enough, but uncomfortable as heck to shoot, non-ergonomic, and about 300% too expensive. Reply Curtis in IL says: December 27, 2015 at 20:19 It’s black and scary-looking. It looks like a weapon of war. It must be banned! Reply James69 says: December 27, 2015 at 20:21 M44 maybe….. Interesting though and it’s NOT and AR/pistol combo. Yeah! Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 20:25 A 39 izzy ain’t an m44. M44 would look like a snubbie in that rig and the muzzle flash and blast that close to your face would be harsh. Reply 16V says: December 27, 2015 at 20:39 I can’t see enough to tell anything more than completely agree with you that the barrel length sure doesn’t look consistent with an M44 by a mile. Also can’t figure what’s up with the bolt, or even if it’s round or hex. Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 20:44 A 39 izzy is simply a 91/30 that was made in 1939. Model 44’s were started in production in 1944. Timmy! says: December 28, 2015 at 00:15 16v, I try to explain the bolt below. 16V says: December 28, 2015 at 01:05 jwm, I’m familiar with Mosins – I have more than a few that are pre-WWII and know the history of the later models as well. My point was that the photo tells sweet FA. So many re-arsenals, who can say without a thorough examination what anyone is talking about with their Izhevsk Mosin? Izhevsk made several variants in that time frame. Anonymous says: December 27, 2015 at 20:59 An AR/pistol combo is a great combination. And the AR is a modular masterpiece. What better for a weapon of war? Reply Stinkeye says: December 27, 2015 at 22:27 I don’t think he’s knocking the AR as a platform, just noting that the “weapons of war” photo series has had a lot of AR photos. Reply Anon says: December 27, 2015 at 20:24 Good thing I was near a garbage can when I saw this. That is an abomination. Probably lighter, more accurate, and worth more stock with some love and corking. Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 20:26 This might have a place in the next star wars movie or a Whedon film. Reply Timmy! says: December 27, 2015 at 23:53 “This might have a place in the next star wars movie or a Whedon film.” I’m thinking it’s like the opposite of Steampunk… somehow. Reply Art out West says: December 27, 2015 at 20:25 Wow! Reply kapeltam says: December 27, 2015 at 20:35 I actually like it. Nice change of pace from everything else shown so far. Reply Anon says: December 27, 2015 at 20:39 You don’t mind whatsoever that a perfectly good rifle was violated to make this? I mean, go ahead and put your savage axis, ruger American, or whatever into one of these, but can people stop butchering vintage rifles already? It’s not 1960 when a good American hunting rifle is 5x the cost of a bulk-bought Mauser. Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 20:49 That should be a drop in stock. Any mods made to the original rifle can be quickly undone if he kept the parts he removed to fit the new stock. The issue wood stock, trigger and front sight. As long as the barrel wasn’t threaded, and I doubt it was, to put that muzzle thingy on nothing permanent was done. Reply Anon says: December 27, 2015 at 21:04 Doesn’t matter. It didn’t deserve this. Muzzle brake looks like it’s welded or something onto the bayonet locking mechanism. So they at least destroyed one part. Timmy! says: December 27, 2015 at 23:57 “You don’t mind whatsoever that a perfectly good rifle was violated to make this? A) there were something like 17.5 MILLION Mosin Nagants made. Cry me a river over one. B) It is still a perfectly good rifle. Just as accurate as before but unique and a wee-tiny-bit more handy? Ok, I can’t even convince myself of that last part. Sorry. Reply Denis says: December 28, 2015 at 08:08 I think something like 38,000,000 mosins were made, if he had a Rare variant, it would be different. Plus it’s better than a slow death sitting in some ones basement Reply Chris75 says: December 27, 2015 at 20:37 A lot of haters on here but I’m digging it. Reply Timmy! says: December 28, 2015 at 00:10 Thank you. Reply Anonymous says: December 27, 2015 at 20:55 I have zero love for Mosin’s. Whatever you have done to it – it’s an improvement. Reply Bob in MI says: December 27, 2015 at 23:07 /|\ This. They were shit rifles to begin with. Now it is slightly shorter shit. Reply Paul says: December 28, 2015 at 10:32 Yep. Even by standards of the time they weren’t great rifles. I don’ get the love for it. It’d be sad to see someone butcher a pristine one with all matching parts and stuff, but all the beat to crud arsenal refurbs? Who cares. I don’t really get the point of it–for less money you could get a Ruger American or something–but its not like it’s a rare piece of kit Reply Stinkeye says: December 27, 2015 at 21:02 It seems like it would be awkward as hell trying to work a Mosin bolt that close to your face. Reply Arkansas kurt says: December 27, 2015 at 21:54 Easy killer. My mosin ‘ bolt is smooth as, uh, sandpaper and operates like a, uh, nightmare. Nevermind all that though. My mosin was my first rifle and I love it wholeheartedly, flaws and all. It did what it was designed to do. Reply Timmy! says: December 27, 2015 at 23:02 Here’s the poop on the bolt. Oh, yeah it’s my gun by the way. I read an article here on TTAG about a left handed bolt for the MN and thought, “I can do something like that.” I cut a straight bolt off at 45 degrees and welded it back together pointing 90 degrees upward. The way you operate it is take your left (forward/weak) hand off the fore end and allow the nose to drop slightly. Pull the bolt to the left and back, the nose-drop allows the bolt to glide right above your shoulder. Snick it forward and to the right again and… Robert is the sibling of one of your parental units. And to all the haters… I’m rubber, you’re glue! Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 23:08 A lefty? That explains everything. Another obama supporter. 🙂 Reply Timmy! says: December 27, 2015 at 23:27 No, no, no, no! I’m not a lefty… neither handed nor politically. The left handed bolt is so you don’t take your strong hand off the pistol grip to cycle it. It makes more sense in person… well, as much sense as this thing will ever make! Reply Timmy! says: December 27, 2015 at 23:07 Forgot to ‘splain the muzzle brake. I found it on e-bay. It IS a bayonet mounting lug welded to an AK-74 style brake and it works really well… at least I assume it works well as I haven’t actually shot this without it. It kicks less than my 7.62x54r Vepr though so I’m going with that. I still have the bayonet which came with the gun along with the factory furniture so my heirs (Ha, that’s a good one!) can reinstate it if they want to. Oh yeah, it also has a Timney trigger. Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 23:11 So the timney trigger cost more than the rifle. Throw in the bull pup stock and the time to make the bolt wrong and you could have got a left handed factory rifle for new. Or am I missing something? Reply Timmy! says: December 27, 2015 at 23:32 Trigger was 2/3 what I paid for the gun IIRC but the stock was double… then there’s the muzzle brake which was about what I paid originally. So, yeah. I have “New AR money” in an old warrior rifle which, apparently, many folks here hate. I never said this thing made any sense. I just like it and it was one of the few pictures I had on my computer to send to TTAG. Reply jwm says: December 27, 2015 at 23:56 Don’t misunderstand. I don’t hate your frankenrifle. It’s your money and sweat equity. I just love yucking on about the old milsurps. Have you actually shot this thing yet? Timmy! says: December 28, 2015 at 00:02 I understand. Yes, I have shot it and really dig it. It is way more accurate than I am! Then there’s the looks you get when taking it out at the range. I’d like to say I’m surprised at all the “hate” the thing has generated… but once I gave it some thought, I really wasn’t. Peter says: December 27, 2015 at 23:39 Looks like a Hi-Point had a one night stand with a Mosin, and the love child was born with Harris bipod webbed feet. I love everything about this. Reply Timmy! says: December 27, 2015 at 23:46 I was going to take offense at that but then thought, “Yeah, that’s fair enough.” Reply Wade Garret says: December 28, 2015 at 00:07 I think it is pretty damn cool looking Timmy. It is your gun, your money, and your time and if you enjoy it, all were well spent. Reply Lucas D. says: December 28, 2015 at 02:10 It’s novel, I guess, even if it is like putting a spoiler and Truck Nutz on a ’63 Fairlane. Reply Jarhead1982 says: December 28, 2015 at 08:58 It appears mikeb3200 has resurfaced and if you want to torture the troll, post your weapon of war at just to hear mike squeal… http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3644/britain_wants_its_guns_back Reply jwm says: December 28, 2015 at 10:29 You mean he lied when he said he was dead? Trust a grabber to lie. Reply James69 says: December 28, 2015 at 10:26 I like it and would love to see an M44 in this stock. Hell a slug thrower with flamethrower sounds cool to me! Shoot em and set them on fire in one shot! Reply James69 says: December 28, 2015 at 10:52 I guess I’d better show my 1938 tula now with 4 x Posp scope mod. Anybody have the link to where I can send it? or how to? Thanks Reply Hiram Maxims Ghost says: December 28, 2015 at 11:10 What’s an “Izzy”? Can’t spell Izhevsk? Reply 16V says: January 2, 2016 at 01:27 I hear you. That “Izzy” thing just effen kills me. I know I’ve reduced most US cities to their airport code, but the “Izzy” thing just grates on me. Not sure why, since I’m just fine with “Remmie”, “S&W” and other terms. Reply Joe R. says: December 28, 2015 at 12:44 Nice : ) get a bent bolt for it http://www.mosinnagant.net/Boltman/Boltman.html Reply Timmy! says: December 28, 2015 at 19:08 I have a bent bolt for it but reaching over the top was less convenient than the left-pull creation I made for it. Then again, the bent bolt I have was MUCH smoother than this one. Oh well, whattayagonnado? Reply Ing says: December 28, 2015 at 14:10 That has to be the strangest, most awkward-looking firearm I’ve ever seen. A true frankenrifle. But hey, whatever. If it works, then we’re good to go. Reply Tom w/a Glock says: December 28, 2015 at 16:51 Well the rifle owner gets points for going in a direction other than the crowd. I wouldn’t like these mods for mine (a ’38 hex Tula) but mine’s just plain stock. If push comes to shove my WOW is an AR15 in 5.56, since it’s close to the M16 I trained on. But everyone gets to make their own decisions in a free country, thank goodness for that (until Feinstein gets her way). Reply Steel says: December 29, 2015 at 11:59 Love it! Reply Write a Comment Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.