Press release [via Ammoland.com]: Considering that the practice of the captive breeding of lions for the purpose of hunting has doubtful value to the conservation of lions in the wild, and considering that such hunting is not consistent with Safari Club International’s criteria for estate hunting, the Safari Club International Board has adopted the following policy:
Safari Club International opposes the hunting of African lions bred in captivity.
This policy takes effect on February 4, 2018 and applies to hunts taking place after adoption of this policy and to any Record Book entry related to such hunts.
Safari Club International will not accept advertising from any operator for any such hunts, nor will Safari Club International allow operators to sell hunts for lions bred in captivity at the Safari Club International Annual Hunters’ Convention.
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I applaud this.
Now if breeders want to breed for release into the wild, that’d be different.
Completely agree and I think that is why they are limiting it to captively breed lions and not certain herbivores that can cross from captively breed to surviving in the wild without much assistance.
The photo turns my stomach. That’s not hunting. If someone needs to bolster their sick ego, they need to engage in some other type of activity.
Just goes to show that some people will go to absurd lengths to gain a little street cred. “Hunting” human-socialized animals on a game preserve is a pathetic parody of hunting. People who do this sort of thing should be ashamed of themselves.
I suspect you just described 99% of African “game” hunting. Sick.
Well, they likely do it because of the immense politicizing of hunting wild animals. Now that they hunt captive animals they have to put up with whiny bitchy hunters who think they need to be ashamed of themselves. Seems like a damned either way scenario completely avoidable if everyone would just stop trying to push their opinions on everyone else.
What are Safari Club International’s criteria for estate hunting and what’s wrong with hunting animals bred for the purpose? Garrison Hall mentions “human-socialized animals.” If that’s the case, it seems boring, but I don’t see how it is any more wrong than eating a hamburger.
My guess is that Safari International wants revenue generated from hunting to go to preserving wildlife and it’s habitat on public which is what it does now instead of diverting money to private land and captive bread animals on that private land. It is to manage public animals not private.
Hunting license fees, tags and taxes associated with firearms and ammunition are used to preserve public land and animals not private land and animals.
Take a Hunter Education course that is needed for a first time hunting license and you will understand that hunting regulation was started by hunters because of the hunting in the 1800’s.
I agree that hunting on private land for captive bread animals is nothing different that eating hamburger but that is not the issue.
I’ve taken hunter’s ed as I am not old enough to get a hunting license without it (legally at least, I’ve never been asked to prove I’ve taken hunter’s ed).
The morality of the hunt is in question in the comments. I’d also think it was in question because the Safari Club’s position isn’t one of not supporting, but opposing. I don’t oppose most things that I don’t support. I don’t even oppose things I find morally objectionable. I only oppose things I find morally repugnant. (For example, one can engage in all sorts of sexual deviance, and I’m not going to try to stop one, but if one tries to rape someone and I have any say about it, one would be in a world of hurt).
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After I improve my fence, I was thinking of going to the sale barn, purchasing some rank bulls, turn them loose in the pasture, tease the hell out of them, shoot them with pellet guns so they don’t get used to the feed truck, gettem wilder then hell and charge someone around twenty thousand dollars to shoot them. I’m pretty sure I could make them just as mean as a cape buffalo.
I like it! Offer a discount if your customers hunt with a Masai spear rather than a rifle.
Well the discount comes with the fact you wouldn’t need any kind of hunting license. I’d throw in a dynamite the pond for fish to sweeten deal, tho.
Jesus Christ, Ned, it’s coming right for us!
Will there be booze? Hunting sober is boring, almost like fishing…sober.
I want a cape buffalo as a pet.
You’re a capitalist.
I do not understand why someone would hunt something that they are not going to eat, unless it’s about over population. The other part of this it’s not a good look for the gun community.
Well, how else are the rich folks gonna get African lion pelts for their wives to make warm winter coats? And those teeth and claws make wonderful jewelry. Maybe you’re a little naïve?
While I’m not so keen on trophy hunting, there is a real argument to be made that the only thing that keeps the local dirt eaters from wiping out the wildlife is making it financially advantageous to keep it around. For as much as they make virtuous noises, the granola crunchers simply won’t provide the money required to preserve African wild life. Canned hunts are another matter entirely.
Because they want to, and it’s not our business.
It’s straight up sick is what it is.
So is canned spam. But it’s not my business who is eating it.
I prefer shooting fish in a barrel. The success rates are higher and the travel costs are lower.
Just think how much those Vegas guys could make if they sold hunts for those white tigers.
With proper shot placement with the right cartridge, I assume lion kills can be humane. Concerning animal “rights”, which seems to be the topic of discussions here, I think the primary factor would be how ethically they were treated in captivity. Were they treated well, or kept in a tiny cage and only fed and watered? I thought that’s what they do in puppy mills and various meat raising farms pretty much everywhere. You can eat meat, but as for lion humaneness I’d be more concerned about shot placement and living conditions for lions rather than if lion hunts are “fair”, if they get eaten, etc.
I’m going to wait for the lion/polar bear combo to be offered.
Looking at that pic…
Just what’s he doing (or about to do) to that female lion?
Good thing the males are dead, or they would be *pissed*…
For me, trophy hunting captive animals is like having children in that I just can’t fathom the attraction. I imagine that such canned hunting is less expensive though and it’s not so bothersome if it turns out that the lions hate you;-)
I’d also be embarrassed as hell to be the guy in that picture. Doing it is one thing, but telling others that you did is another.
Well. It’s certainly appeasing leftists (or at least slightly moreso), as they didn’t harm any “wild” animals. Either way they get scolded by intolerant people. Shoot a wild animal and you are a monster for hunting an endangered species according to bitchy leftists. Did you eat that mangey thing? You better have or another huge group of bitchy hunters is going to complain about it. Did you hunt a captive animal??? The shame! Slightly more accepting for leftists, but real hunters are bitching about it right now.
As long as they are not being driven extinct by the hunting, the solution here is for everyone to go mind their own f business.
Mind my own business? What a novel idea! But then how would I show how much I care and how much better I am then everybody else?
I think this kind of hunt should be allowed but, make it fair. The hunter gets a 12″ Bowie knife taped to each hand and that’s it. Two things enter, one thing leaves….
You must be quite an athlete to believe that adding two knives to human body makes it equal enough to lion’s to make it fair fight. Admit it, you are rooting for the team Animals and want to see humans die.
Hunting is not supposed to be fair. If it was, the game would kill the hunter in about 50% of hunts.
Humans are slow, weak, practically fangless , but they have relatively huge brains. They can make and use tools. That’s what makes them apex predators. Hell, life is not fair.