Firearms have an undesirable way of finding their way into too many of our nation’s top news stories. A school shooting in Wisconsin. The attempted assassination of a political candidate. The robbery and shooting of a professional athlete. An argument that turns violent…and deadly. For those of us who value our Second Amendment freedoms, are upstanding citizens, responsible gun owners and merely want to enjoy our hobbies and keep ourselves and our families safe, it can be unbearable to watch the senseless violence that takes place daily in this country. That’s because unless we are directly involved in a situation such as a victim or family member or close friend of a victim, gun owners feel the pain of violent crime committed with firearms more severely than those who have no personal stake in the crime itself.
“How is that?” you might ask. “Crime in our communities affects us all.” And it does. But it affects the gun owner worse than the non-gun owner because we know every crime reshapes the debate over firearms and threatens a way of life and a sense of protection that we hold dear. And to be honest, by the very nature of our involvement with firearms and understanding of gun safety and responsibility, we better understand the intricacies of the gun debate than the average citizen who goes no further than headline deep on stories that affect and shape gun legislation—and our rights.
The recent killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson by a man who waited for him like a hunter has brought another unwelcome spotlight on homemade and 3D printed guns, so called “ghost guns.” But more significantly in this case, it has brought an unwelcome light on the healthcare industry in general.
And the public, albeit likely a small, but vocal minority, has responded. Finding a voice in our nation’s 24-hour news cycle; selling products such as t-shirts exclaiming “Free Luigi” and “Deny, Defend, Depose,” the words police said were written on the shell casings discovered at the scene of Thompson’s murder; and raising funds for his defense, they have elevated the discussion on the frustrations many people already feel about healthcare and treatment by corporate America in general.
Let’s be clear: The evidence made available through the news in the killing of Thompson, if accurate, paints Luigi Mangione as nothing more than a savage killer, who shot an unaware man in the back as he walked to a meeting. He is no more honorable than Bob Ford, a disloyal friend who, as legend has it in order to collect a reward, shot bandit Jesse James in the back as he attempted to straighten a photo on his wall.
But because Mangione appears to have had some political motive brewing in his mind in response to a perceived injustice committed by big healthcare, an injustice many Americans are familiar with and can relate to, Mangione is being painted by some as a hero for the people. I doubt Thompson’s two young sons feel that way.
If he is a hero and his actions are deemed justifiable, what is to stop anyone who decides an injustice has been committed against them by say the manager of a grocery store who sells groceries that are deemed expensive, their own doctor when he fails to cure an illness or the mechanic who fixes their car when repairs take longer than expected or cost more than hoped? But that’s exactly what will happen if we justify Mangione’s actions. And in that case, everyone will always need to carry a gun for self-defense (some of you already do), because depending on what our job is, we could all find ourselves in the crosshairs.
As the late Martin Luther King Jr. once proclaimed, “The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.”
Support is “Shocking”
As New York prosecutors pursue murder charges, Mangione’s supporters are rallying to his defense in shocking numbers. A crowdfunding campaign on GiveSendGo, organized by an anonymous group dubbed “The December 4th Legal Committee,” raised over $100,000 in less than a week.
“We are not here to celebrate violence, but we do believe in the constitutional right to fair legal representation,” the group stated.
The campaign struck a chord with donors who left comments reflecting their frustrations with the healthcare system. One donor, identifying as “A frustrated citizen,” thanked Mangione for “sparking the awareness and thought across this sleeping nation.”
Reddit threads have similarly erupted, not necessarily in support of Mangione’s crime but condemning the healthcare industry’s practices, which many argue push Americans to the brink. User Atlhart shared, “A friend of mine had knee surgery…the surgery was preauthorized. She just received a notice from UnitedHealthcare that they are denying the claim for the imaging used during surgery…UHC is saying it wasn’t necessary. $6000.”
Others echoed similar stories. Subhuman Resources described having an emergency appendectomy for their son rejected as “medically unnecessary,” a $96,000 charge: “Every claim is a fight.” Another user, No_Clue_7894, recounted their role as a pharmacy worker forced to deny life-saving medications to families, while sharing the personal burden of their husband’s cancer treatment.
111anza called out the hypocrisy between Mangione’s actions and corporate healthcare practices in their post:
“The CEO killer shot one person in broad daylight and he is charged 2nd degree murder for the horrible crime committed, rightfully so, justice will be served in a court of law.
“The CEO who was murdered, led a major healthcare company with an industry high profit margin of 28% that was the result of denying almost 1 out of 3 medical treatment. The CEO was never charged for any wrong doing even though his “business” decision certainly killed many people, instead, just last year along, he took home over $51 million dollars for (j)ob well done.
“People think the public is crazy for making this murderer a celebrity. No, the public knows that Luigi is a [murderer], and the public is not crazy. When you can profit by killing people en masse, legally, it’s the world that’s crazy.“
The Law Must Be Upheld
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, however, remains resolute, telling ABC News that Mangione’s supporters are on dangerous ground.
“Celebrating this conduct is abhorrent to me. It’s deeply disturbing,” he said. “We will be vigilant and hold people accountable.”
Amazon and Etsy have already removed merchandise in support of Mangione and glorifying or making light of his actions. Meanwhile, law enforcement agencies are alarmed by reports of “wanted posters” for other executives and banners advocating further violence.
Retired FBI agent Richard Frankel compared the public response to Mangione’s actions to past cases like the Unabomber or Eric Rudolph, calling it a “politically charged” reaction.
“You can be up in arms about the healthcare industry, but you can’t threaten or actually hurt members of the healthcare industry,” Frankel told ABC News.
Mangione’s attorney, Thomas Dickey, insists his client will plead not guilty and emphasizes his presumption of innocence. Still, the broader question looms: Are Mangione’s actions a disturbing symptom of public anger or a frightening precedent of vigilante justice? Which to be clear, is a far cry from a defensive shooting where a threat is posing an immediate and imminent risk of death or severe bodily harm. And what culpability do corporations, particularly healthcare companies, and even our legal and political system have in leaving so many Americans feeling powerless to find justice in their lives that they can relate to this guy.
As one Reddit user grimly put it: “No one should be surprised this happened.” No, not surprised, but the rule of law must prevail or the rule of gunplay will, as nobody will ever be safe.
Welcome to third world America. Where political assassination and violence is acceptable.
Thank God for the wise old dead white men, who gave us the second amendment in a written document.
This is what happens when too many people get screwed over by the system.
I’m not saying it’s okay what happened.
I’m saying it’s inevitable, and this is only the beginning. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
They already have a new CEO lined up, they will be hiring tons of added security to protect their executives, and that new expenditure will absolutely be passed on to their policyholders.
From WWI to Abraham Lincoln to Rep. Leo Ryan, that “kill the right person and everything gets fixed” shit only works out in comic books and videogames, no matter what evil, stupid Leftists seem to think. The only changes made from this will be for the worse, especially if they proceeds forward with this thinking under the assumption that the people they want gone aren’t able to move or shoot back.
It’s a vicious circle. And that, boys and girls, is why the French Revolution never really ended.
Arguably Luigi just initiated its next phase.
Did he get screwed over by the system?
The guy is a 1%er and could afford his medical care out of pocket.
Exactly.
The core problem with the American health care system is that the Right of Contract between doctor and patient has been violated.
Fundamentals count!
When a patient can sign a contract pre-care with a chosen doctor/hospital to limit or structure liability post care, doctors can operate sans insurance, and hospitals won’t charge 15$ for a tablet of aspirin.
When a patient can access a doctor’s professional record just like he can a baseball pitcher’s stats, the patient can make an informed choice of doctors.
Those who wish to receive care with unlimited liability still can.
Health care costs will spiral down, not up.
I have saying this for fifty years – judging by the response I have received, I am alone on a deserted island. Now I hear twerps saying it is OK to shoot a man in the back because “sparks debate”, yet STILL no mention of the fundamental issue.
Loss of the Right of Contract is THE CORE PROBLEM.
PLEASE PASS IT ON.
Gun Control zealots and the media make damn sure Guns are going to be singled out and preceived as the problem. However when it comes to the criminal misuse of bricks, bats, knives, fists, feet, vehicles, etc. the media and Gun Control zealots are Crickets. And when it comes to Defining Gun Control by its diabolical History for America, the courts, etc. Gun talking blowbags are Crickets too…match point Gun Control.
Debbie, what the actual fuck ?? None of what you said is remotely relevant.
Don’t you have any other records to drop on the turntable? – that obviously broken one is getting to be too much to listen to.
unicornbread…As usual democRats made firearms the the problem instead of making the perp the problem…Obviously a backbencher like you failed to see that. Until you and your ilk can reply with information that Defends my 2A Rights better you can go f yourself…we clear?
Anyone else having issues with a reply posting?
United healthcare came out and said there was no evidence that this killer was ever insured by them at any point, he didn’t get screwed over by the system. He’s an ultra wealthy leftist that will die in prison. Ultimately, he screwed over himself, threw his life away, destroyed the lives of a family that he never knew.
4x post – The core problem with the American health care system is that the Right of Contract between doctor and patient has been violated.
Fundamentals count!
When a patient can sign a contract pre-care with a chosen doctor/hospital to limit or structure liability post care, doctors can operate sans insurance, and hospitals won’t charge 15$ for a tablet of aspirin.
When a patient can access a doctor’s professional record just like he can a baseball pitcher’s stats, the patient can make an informed choice of doctors.
Those who wish to receive care with unlimited liability still can.
Health care costs will spiral down, not up.
I have saying this for fifty years – judging by the response I have received, I am alone on a deserted island. Now I hear twerps saying it is OK to shoot a man in the back because “sparks debate”, yet STILL no mention of the fundamental issue.
Loss of the Right of Contract is THE CORE PROBLEM.
PLEASE PASS IT ON.
Robinhood stole not killed.
“Robin Hood escaped the sheriff’s trap and killed the sheriff for breaking his word. Robin cut off the Sheriff of Nottingham’s head.“
These guys are crazy to say that killing their eco-political enemies in the streets is “justified.” Is that where they want this country to go? This is dumbest game of fafo ever played since reversing things on lefties would go really bad for them. Do they not understand this? Do they want the mean streets of the USA to look like Haiti currently when they are the ones undergunned over here by a whole lot pews? Let’s hope that this isn’t what our future looks like.
41% of Voters 18-29 Find Health Care CEO Killing Acceptable.
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From the article…”With faith in the American judicial system disappearing, many younger Americans see “vigilante justice” as an “acceptable” means to an end”.
Not just the Judicial system but Congress and the Executive branch.
The left has infiltrated and almost completely destroyed our educational system just like they have done with the Mainstream Media. Fortunately with the advent of Podcasts the MSM is getting their asses kicked. Now we have to fix the education system.
That “Tree of Liberty” seems to need fertilizer.
I’m with you. Fixing the education system needs to be a high priority. But good luck making that happen.
We have grown adults who think that China is part of America. And others who think California is its own country, along with “New” Mexico.
Part of the problem is that these people who can’t do math or critical thinking, well they are voters. Already.
Americans SHOULD be p*ssed about our healthcare system, it is the worst of both worlds – socialistic enough to be inefficient and over-bureaucratic, not capitalistic enough to be truly workable.
Fun fact: There are several common procedures that are almost NEVER covered by health insurance. Two of the most common are breast enhancement and . . . Lasik surgery. What do both have in common?? Not subject to insurance, not heavily regulated, and . . . the price per procedure of each has gone DOWN, while the quality of the work and the technology has skyrocketed.
An intelligent person might look at that and say, “Hmmm”. But we can be comfortable that the Leftist/fascists, and their chattels in Congress, and the lapdog media will never acknowledge it. Obamacare has resulted in higher costs (by FAR), higher deductibles, lower standards of care, more bureaucracy, worse patient satisfaction, and NO increase in successful outcomes. ObummerCare is a nightmare, should never have been passed in the first place, and the nadless GOP should have driven a stake in its heart years ago.
OTOH, I despise insurance companies, in general, and health insurance companies, in particular. NOT justifying what Mangione did – that is and always will be unforgivable, unwarranted, and unacceptable. But health insurers (like ALL insurance companies) are in the business of selling coverage, and denying liability. It is their business model.
We need direct patient-to-provider payments, with insurance for catastrophic events (which, by all estimates, would be fairly cheap) and if someone wants to buy a “gold” insurance plan, that covers everything? that’s between them and their insuror. Our current systems sucks greasy puppydog nuts.
There’s no excuse for homicide except in defense of your life, or risk of serious bodily harm, as well as the the defense of other innocent people.
In America we worship outlaws. Jesse James. Billy the Kid. Bonnie and Clyde.
We write books about them and make movies about them.
The idiot left made an outlaw out of Trump and we see how well that went.
America has never been a ‘law and order’ country. We were born in violence and we have profited from violence ever since. This is why the smart ones are armed.
If I was this killer I would demand a jury trial and hope the jury is pissed at corporate health care.
jwm, I understand your point. However, I don’t worship any of those people. Yes, there are books about them. There should be. It’s called history. The movies? Well, whatcha gonna say? They can at least be entertaining. Occasionally.
Speaking of movies, remember when
” Independence Day ” came out? At a pre-release screening when the alien ship destroys the White House, the audience started clapping, many of them in a standing ovation of 5 or so minutes, causing the movie to be stopped until the theater was quiet enough to restart it. Rumor is that the scene was slightly edited by the studio before it’s general release.
considering who’s 2nd term it was at that films release the response seems appropriate.
One of my favorite movie imagery scenes. My favorite psychological scenes would probably have to be the Japanese 747 pilot taking out the White House kamakaze style (or Capitol Complex ? , it’s been a minute) in Tom Clancy’s book ” Debt of Honor ” (or maybe ” Executive Orders “),
again, almost 30 years ago.
Wow, thinking back on it now, the 90s was a rough but honest period.
“The idiot left made an outlaw out of Trump“
No, Donald Trump‘s unlawful actions made him an outlaw. Do you doubt Donald Trump committed business fraud? Were you in in the courtroom and heard the sworn testimony, had the opportunity to examine the evidence?
Or is your opinion about Donald formed only by your feelings?
So we are going to ignore the contrived prosecutions that got thrown out of court for being garbage? Again?
Robinhood robbed the Sherriff and the Kings men and gave the money back to the citizens. This excreta is merely a murderer!
“Robinhood robbed the Sherrif“
Robin killed the sheriff and cut off his head.
Mangione is a cold blooded killer, he deserves NO recognition as doing anything good!
The healthcare system is screwed up because of the damn government stepping in with all the regulations that make it impossible to manage efficiently!
United Healthcare is hemorrhaging money and their stock is at an all time low, they have to limit claims to only those that are legitimate and can’t survive paying anyone and everyone for everything they bill. Remember, many claims for care are bogus and done to steal from the insurance companies. I know, I retired from healthcare after 40+ years.
And let’s not all forget: We voted for Obamacare. Not directly, but we did vote for the politicians who voted for it. Because something-something-and-Romney-did-it-in-Massachusetts
.And then Obama CHANGED it numerous times, basically making it more and more expensive and less and less effective. WITHOUT the changes being passed by Congress.
And then it ended up being a screwed up mess.
But for some reason, we never got mad enough to remove those politicians when we had the chance. Obama even went on to win a second term.
It’s funny how this isn’t a bigger story. Obamacare was supposed to fix these problems.
Post 2 – The core problem with the American health care system is that the Right of Contract between doctor and patient has been violated.
Fundamentals count!
When a patient can sign a contract pre-care with a chosen doctor/hospital to limit or structure liability post care, doctors can operate sans insurance, and hospitals won’t charge 15$ for a tablet of aspirin.
When a patient can access a doctor’s professional record just like he can a baseball pitcher’s stats, the patient can make an informed choice of doctors.
Those who wish to receive care with unlimited liability still can. Call your insurance company.
Health care costs will spiral down, not up.
I have saying this for fifty years – judging by the response I have received, I am alone on a deserted island. Now I hear twerps saying it is OK to shoot a man in the back because “sparks debate”, yet STILL no mention of the fundamental issue.
Loss of the Right of Contract is THE CORE PROBLEM.
PLEASE PASS IT ON.
third.
I would reply “how soon we forget” but those complaining the most never took the time to understand just what Obama was selling, to a congress that loves to spend other people’s money and don’t care about the lower income citizens.
“And then it ended up being a screwed up mess“
Yes, but unfortunately all the conservative Republicans have had to offer is “concepts of a plan”.
“United Healthcare is hemorrhaging money and their stock is at an all time low, they have to limit claims “
Of course, we should be so concerned about the health of the millionaires’ wealth, that’s all that really matters.
“the regulations that make it impossible to manage efficiently!”
Yes, efficiency is the goal, why worry about the actual health of those pesky premium payers.
They were being investigated for stock options and if you add up they were and are getting hundreds of millions, but d…and d… coverage so they don’t lose profits of the billions they take. But the care they give is less and less! Something is wrong with this picture!
“They were being investigated for stock options and if you add up they were and are getting hundreds of millions“
Are you actually suggesting the corporate leadership was intentionally profiteering off of misery and sickness?
But the care they give is less and less!“
Wait a minute, are you suggesting these healthcare CEOs and leadership were intentionally compromising care to increase their profits?
This is where you end up when you begin denying universal truths like, I don’t know, how about murder is wrong?
One donor, identifying as “A frustrated citizen,” thanked Mangione for “sparking the awareness and thought across this sleeping nation.”
In other words, terrorism works.
I haven’t read the real story on this. The real story is how this guy was radicalized. I’ve only seen bits and pieces, but I’ve been busy lately. What’s this about him getting into shrooms in the past year? What about isolating himself? I think there’s more to this story.
He had a personal injury and issues in recovery. He sees a CEO making a large salary and blames him for the poor recovery results. After experimenting with several drugs and herbs, his failure to completely recover is directed towards the CEO and believes he is seeking justice not revenge. His mind is warped, and his cause is empty of merit.
“His mind is warped, and his cause is empty of merit“
Oh, OK, I’m glad to hear he acted because he was crazy, not because the CEO head instituted a policy of using artificial intelligence bots to deny healthcare coverage to old folks.
Hey, wait a minute…
“UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients medically necessary coverage, lawsuit claims
moneywatch
By Elizabeth Napolitano
Edited By Anne Marie Lee
November 20, 2023 / 4:25 PM EST / MoneyWatch
The families of two now-deceased former beneficiaries of UnitedHealth have filed a lawsuit against the health care giant, alleging it knowingly used a faulty artificial intelligence algorithm to deny elderly patients coverage for extended care deemed necessary by their doctors.
The lawsuit, filed last Tuesday in federal court in Minnesota, claims UnitedHealth illegally denied “elderly patients care owed to them under Medicare Advantage Plans” by deploying an AI model known by the company to have a 90% error rate, overriding determinations made by the patients’ physicians that the expenses were medically necessary.
“The elderly are prematurely kicked out of care facilities nationwide or forced to deplete family savings to continue receiving necessary medical care, all because [UnitedHealth’s] AI model ‘disagrees’ with their real live doctors’ determinations,” according to the complaint.”
“He had a personal injury and issues in recovery.”
Welcome to the club. What a weak loser.
Hildabeast gave us Health Managed Organizatons, Zero gave us insurance monopolies. The ire is looking in the wrong places again.
3x The core problem with the American health care system is that the Right of Contract between doctor and patient has been violated.
Fundamentals count!
When a patient can sign a contract pre-care with a chosen doctor/hospital to limit or structure liability post care, doctors can operate sans insurance, and hospitals won’t charge 15$ for a tablet of aspirin.
When a patient can access a doctor’s professional record just like he can a baseball pitcher’s stats, the patient can make an informed choice of doctors.
Those who wish to receive care with unlimited liability still can.
Health care costs will spiral down, not up.
I have saying this for fifty years – judging by the response I have received, I am alone on a deserted island. Now I hear twerps saying it is OK to shoot a man in the back because “sparks debate”, yet STILL no mention of the fundamental issue.
Loss of the Right of Contract is THE CORE PROBLEM.
PLEASE PASS IT ON.
Robinhood, seriously. How is this even remotely similar to the robinhood tale?
He’s still a murderer, even if the target is a complete POS.
All that said the entire medical insurance industry needs an extreme level of reform. It’s basically a cartel and UnitedHealthcare is one of the worst in the industry.
I suggest:
1) Make insurance into a not-for-profit venture.
2) Reasonable limits on executive salaries/compensation/staffing/overhead expenditures, so that the rest is available in case of need.
3) Reasonable limits on the ability to deny claims. Like I get it if it’s purely cosmetic, but come on. Defer to the doctor here.
4) Price transparency.
“1) Make insurance into a not-for-profit venture.”
Commie!
“2) Reasonable limits on executive salaries/compensation/staffing/overhead expenditures, so that the rest is available in case of need.”
Double Commie!
“3) Reasonable limits on the ability to deny claims.”
What, do you think people have a right to petition the government for a redress of grievances?
“Defer to the doctor here”
Are you claiming it’s a good idea to follow the guidance of credible medical research?
Where is the profit in that?
After seeing how left-wingers have reacted to this killing, I no longer entertain any debating from them about gun control because it’s obvious they LOVE gun violence when it’s against people they want dead, so any argument they give about it is by definition in bad faith.
They don’t care about crime, or kids in school, or suicides, or any other crap excuse they give to play on your empathy; they want you disarmed because they have plans for the country they’re not letting go of, and they know they can’t implement any of it until they’re sure none of the deplorables can’t shoot back.
By the way, TTAG, as stupid and awful as it is whenever you post articles from gun-grabbing lefties or obvious Taser saleswomen, I still maintain that having NO EDIT FUNCTION on comments will be always be the worst thing about the site.
When health care is on the open market it becomes a race to the bottom in the standard of care. Everyone is expected to haggle over the price and conditions of the care. A bit difficult when you’re the patient with a life threatening condition.
We don’t have an open market healthcare system. It’s a very complex regulatory disaster. For such a supposedly intelligent guy, shooting the CEO is a really low IQ solution to the problem.
Exactly! The only thing making healthcare unaffordable is government mandates that make it impossible to implement a true insurance model like home and auto plans.
My (purely economic with no “mean” words) response disappeared – not “awaiting moderation”; appeared normally and then went away when I refreshed to check for replies.
Then came back
Then went away again.
Now it seems to be here again?
There’s some unusual happenings with the comment section today.
Now we talk about freedom in America and the 1st amendment and capitalism is good so how is it some entrepreneurs got shut down peddling Mangione swag?
Back to the drawing board.
If people want to hock murderer chic, then the onus in on them to find a vendor willing to put their name on it. Nothing in the Constitution would force me as a retailer to offer merchandise for sale that I found ethically repellant. That you wouldn’t find Anton LaVey’s literary output in a Christian bookstore isn’t proof that freedom is dead; it means they understand pissing off 99.9999% of their customers isn’t worth trying to reel in the 0.0001% who might someday wander in expecting to buy a copy The Satanic Bible.
That clear it up any?
The State that Believes that Gun Owners Don’t Deserve Any Privacy.
“The one right we often cherish as much as our Second Amendment right is our right to privacy. And in some states they take the right to privacy so serious that they have enshrined that right in their State Constitution. Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, discusses the case of Barba v. Bonta, a challenge to California’s AB 173, which demands California residents to turn over personal data in order to purchase a firearm, then shares that data with everyone they wish to. This is a motion for summary judgement, which if successful, would end this law.”
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“Don’t Deserve Any Privacy“
Privacy? What makes you think you have any right to privacy?
Well what a PATRIOT you are ACTing like now.
Corrupt Media Obsess Over Luigi Mangione After Memory Holing Trump’s Would-Be Assassins.
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it’s the would be part of that, otherwise same side of fence. the people celebrating the failure are not celebrating mangione.
Prominent Progressives Struggle To Condemn Murder Without Defending the Murderer.
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‘Understandable’ Violence and the Left.
“Nothing like the senseless murder of a married father of two to get the left all hot and excited, eh? Most of them have been openly celebrating the assassination of United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson. He checked all the right boxes:
1. White
2. Male
3. Wealthy
4. Cisheteronormative
5. Represented an ideological boogeyman from a complex, multifaceted industry, the inner workings of which your average rank-and-file leftist is completely ignorant about. And leftists themselves intentionally made these inner workings both more confusing and more expensive by supporting the corrupt passage of the Obamacare pork fest.
…”
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In the latest left winger liberal ‘continuing lows of depravity’ department > ‘Disney-Themed’ Dance Party with Luigi Mangione Slide Show Set to Love Song (Video).
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2 days ago, 17 Dec 2024: Multiple Armed Suspects Force Their Way into Arizona Home, Homeowner Fires in Self-Defense, Injuring One.
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Say, did you hear anything about a school shooting in Wisconsin?
Yes another loopy lefty type as typical.
I wonder if a “legal team’s” family member was murdered they would feel the same way?
“No, not surprised, but the rule of law must prevail or the rule of gunplay will, as nobody will ever be safe.”
You got part of that right. You left out that the law must be just, or vigilantes will bring justice. It’s just what history shows us. To quote Nevada Republican politician Sharon Angle- “2nd amendment remedies”
This event and response is a sign of a broken government and capitalist system. Without fixing this, rule of law is an ass.
No respect for this anymore if you deny the truth. All I did was try to speak some truth to you.
A Hard Heart Kills: Why Liberal Values Breed School Shootings.
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