Registration Always Leads to Confiscation – A Lesson From New Zealand

Courtesy – NZ Parliamentary Counsel Office

As we mentioned, the Government of New Zealand, under the direction of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, has banned the lawful ownership of semi-automatic firearms in the land of Kiwis and Hobbits. Gun owners in the US say that could never happen here. We don’t have gun registration. Think again.

The PM is a member of New Zealand’s Labour Party. Like America’s Democrats, civilian disarmament is one of their dearly-held goals.

After last week’s mosque shootings, the New Zealand’s gun-grabbers are wasting no time in following Rahm Emanuel’s advice.  As released by the Parliamentary Counsel Office of New Zealand, the order states the following:


My contacts in New Zealand have forwarded me the following information.

New Zealand doesn’t have direct registration of firearms either. Instead, they have registration of gun owners. Each owner must be permitted to lawfully own a firearm. So the government knows who has what through gun store records and what category of license they posses.

So the government knows that there are 245,000 firearms licenses and of those; 7,500 are E-Category licences and 485 are dealers. From dealer records they know that there are 13,500 firearms which require the owner to have an E Category license. This is effectively the known number of “military-style” semi-automatics (MSSAs) before today’s changes. 

As a requirement of having a firearm license, the New Zealand police perform inspections of firearms license holders’ homes once a year for Dealer and B-Category permits. For C & E Category they visit once every three years.

This happens without a warrant and firearms can’t be kept “at the ready” for self defense. The police even inspect panic rooms and “survival bunkers”.

Does this sound familiar? It should. Illinois is doing something similar right now. They’re combing through their records of revoked FOID cards and going after their guns.

It’s the same in New Zealand. The government there will be having the police, with military assistance, confiscate the newly outlawed guns. Right now they are expecting a large percentage of gun owners to voluntarily surrender during the amnesty period and eventual buyback. But the government knows that some will resist and they will have to knock on doors.

The same could happen here if some or all firearms are ever outlawed. Folks believe that as long as their guns aren’t directly registered, they’re safe from confiscation. But if you have a concealed carry permit/license, own NFA items, or live in a state/territory that requires registration or a permission slip to own firearms, they know there’s a high probability that you own them. And then there are FFLs’ sales records.

In short, there is enough information in various databases out there to compile a fairly good list of who owns what. Of course there will be cracks in the system, such as home-made firearms, and some will slip through. But for the most part, law-abiding gun owners who comply with gun control laws can be red flagged if and when confiscation happens here.



  1. avatar Marty says:

    From what I read this morning, a total of 37 firearms have been turned over to police.

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      As with Vermont Leftard legislators with the RINO governors aid,of a Bump Stock Ban discovered.
      Only two were turned over to the Vermont state police,I guess only two Vermonters owned bump stocks.
      Speaking of Bump Stocks the court in D.C. is scheduled to hear the injunction tomorrow,stay tuned.

    2. avatar Art out West says:

      As peace loving as they were, even the Hobbits would have never put up with something like this.

      They would have scoured out prime minister Sharkie and her crew of thugs.

      The “scouring of the Shire” was one of the most important things that happened in the Lord of the rings.

      New Zealand will probably be a Chinese colony/protectorate pretty soon anyway

  2. avatar Lance says:

    It always leads to confiscation.

    Then again, if the ATF is in charge of combing over the mountain of 4473s in the country… well it already takes them months to years to mull over forms 3/4, I can only imagine how long it’ll take to go over millions of 4473s.

    1. avatar Draven says:

      heck, it would take them at least a year just to come up with a RFP for the computer system that they say they’ll need to process it all.

      1. avatar Smallpox says:

        I sold all my guns on armslist and I have the emails to prove it.

        1. avatar Richard J Coon says:

          Boating accident got mine…

        2. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

          Hmmmm…. I emptied my email folder?

    2. avatar arc says:

      Run those forms through computers. post office uses them to sort handwriting on mail all the time.

    3. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

      No, a computer would go thru the few millions in a few days. Then it would sort people by city/state. A list would be sent to your local police. Amazon remembers me and asks if I’m happy with the product…out of millions of customers.

      1. avatar arc says:

        Yep. Databases are automated now. This is why its so important to have off the books, cash or home made weapons now. This is why I think the anti-christ is going to be an A.I, what better way to control all commerce, all money, all knowledge, and if you aren’t apart of the system, you are locked out.

  3. avatar possum says:

    They can have my hand when they pry it from my cold dead gunm. Since 1994 I’ve tried to buy all my firegunms from private sales or straw purchases. The ones I had that were on the books stayed in my house, the ones that aren’t on the books live somewhere else. Never believed in all my eggs in one basket, and the fire that took out half my collection showed me why.

  4. avatar Dewayne says:

    Funny.. I lost alot of my stuff in a tragic boating accident…

    1. avatar Marty says:

      Dewayne, you’ve seen what lying to the feds can get you. Better off saying…Nothing.

      1. avatar HP says:

        Can millions of people be prosecuted for not possessing a prohibited item? Can even one?

        1. avatar Marty says:

          Time will tell. You saw how General Flynn was prosecuted for telling a “lie” that even the FBI investigators didn’t think was a lie. We know how bad the demon rats want to put all of us gun owners away for good. I’d say, don’t encourage them and just keep our mouths shut, or as a last resort, just plead the 5th.

        2. avatar User1 says:

          Yes, you can be charged with a crime. They know you have guns, they know you are hiding them. There are laws for such behavior. You will go to prison if you refuse to take the plea deal and give up your guns.

          In the end, you will be a felon if you actively evade the confiscation. Thus you will lose the ability to buy guns that are not considered evil baby killing machines, the permission to carry firearms will be revoked and your right to vote will be taken from you (amongst other things).

        3. avatar HP says:


          Hiding what? What if you sold them off years ago? Destroyed them? I understand your cynicism, but we still have trials by jury in this country. The burden of proof is going to be on the state to prove the guns are hidden, that you still have possession of them, and are refusing to turn them in. What if a person honestly did destroy the guns? There’s no law that says you can’t destroy your own property. Look at all the virtue signalers who destroyed their guns (and I’m not talking about the ones that hilariously cut them down and made them SBR’s in the process).

          Gov: “We know you own this particular rifle, and that you purchased it 15 years ago. Turn it in.”

          Person: “The lower receiver on that rifle split on me 8 years ago on a hunting trip, I screwed up putting it back together and she malfunctioned hard. The gun was toast. I smashed what was left. It’s been gone for years.”

          What if the person is being honest?

        4. avatar neiowa says:

          User1 – you’re not keeping up. The progs insist felons have voting rights restored. I wonder if that includes white citizens who are convicted of owning guns? Or if you get your gun rights back with your voting franchise?

  5. avatar Damion Cocchi says:

    It’s already happened in the US…

    NYC, Louisiana post hurricane Katrina, just to name 2 instances

    1. avatar User1 says:

      USA gun confiscation happens on the individual level. They have no plans in the near future to confiscate on mass without a major event where they will declare martial law/national emergency. They will slowly remove guns state by state, individual by individual, before they start blanket confiscation of “non civilian” weaponry.

  6. avatar jp says:

    What if you convert your semiauto to bolt action/repeater/lever release?

    1. avatar Draven says:

      that’s what ‘constructive posession’ is for.

    2. avatar User1 says:

      The government claims he illegally modified his guns. Now they want to take those types of guns.

      They kind of ignore that he had like 5 guns in his car, most of them were not “”weapons of war” and he started his attack with a shotgun. His plan was to empty his shotgun, toss it and pickup another gun [Mandalay Bay style]. He also planned to burn down each building with a petrol “bomb.” He didn’t want to use an actual bomb because he didn’t want to kill any White people, only the “invaders.”

  7. avatar Lost Down South says:

    That’s a pretty fast issuance of complicated documents. Almost like they had it in can for rapid deployment when the need (opportunity) popped up.

    Copy / Paste is a powerful thing.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      That’s what I was thinking. First, before the first blush was over, it was illegal to post video of the event. Say what? How did you do that? By the end of the weekend a teenager had been *arrested* for violating that law. WTF? Does the PM just dictate a law and legislators are not involved? Now followed by new gun laws in effect, sounds like BS to me, a dictatorship in the making.

      1. avatar User1 says:

        In theory, the law says (in effect) that if you open a torrent with objectionable/obscene content you can face 10 and 14 years in prison. Ten years for possessing the material, fourteen years for distributing that content.

        I’m not sure if they will seek to sentence people to 24 years in prison for using a torrent to download (and sequentially upload) files the government deems unsafe for public consumption.

        At the end of the day, the government can do whatever it wants and the majority will support whether they like it or not. That is how “Western” governments work.

        1. avatar Anymouse says:

          Woohoo. I’m getting a free trip to New Zealand. If you torrent, you’re distributing as you download. Do they do Club Fed style prisons?

      2. avatar neiowa says:

        It is very clear that NZ is not a free nation or a democracy. Good old fashion monarch ruled by a ugly broad. Perhaps Queen Liz could step in.

    2. avatar Christoff says:

      I also thought it was odd how fast they were moving, especially since getting two lawyers to agree on any language is stupidly difficult and time consuming. It’s likley this is someone’s pet document, and has only now been pulled out of the hard drive it sat on for months or years.

      1. avatar billy bob says:

        Kind of like Obamacare.

      2. avatar Bob Jones says:

        This new law is NOT new….it has been sitting around in the files of liberal politicians just waiting to be pulled out. Similar bills abound in this country too. Just waiting for the right moment.

  8. avatar former water walker says:

    ILLinois ain’t New Zealand(is there an Old Zealand?!?). Millions of guns & owner’s. I have friend’s who have dozens of “off the books” guns EACH…

    1. avatar SkorpionFan says:

      To answer your question, Zealand is the largest and most populous island in Denmark proper.

    2. avatar Ing says:

      Yes, there is an “old” Zealand. It’s part of the Netherlands.

      And you’re right, guns and gun ownership exist on an entirely different scale in the US. Almost every state in the US could dwarf NZ’s number of owners and guns — a whole lot of them entirely off the books, too.

  9. avatar SteveO says:

    Well, may as well continue to spread the word courtesy of WRSA:

    And send the anti’s a BFYTW.

    And, someone, please, PLEASE tell me why it is defacto “10 rounds”? It is most definitely spreading and if it’s not obvious, other western countries do look at some ‘leadership’ from the anti’s in the US for guidance…divide and conquer, then continue with more loss of liberties. Worldwide.

  10. avatar Michael says:

    We won’t be the first canary that goes toes up in this coal mine. There is always going to be a progression. First they came for…etc. Perfect practice and preparation, knowledge of at least one valuable off the grid skill, be able to purify water. Yeah, I know a good water filter costs as much as a good, used handgun. Buy what the Red Cross and the UN issue to their people, and buy the spare ceramic insert. To die from bad water is a very hard way to go. Personally, I’d much rather be shot. If the amount of time they take to process the paperwork for class III goodies is any indication, it will all be over before they start pulling 4473’s for any kind of confiscation plan. There are a lot of pro constitutional local Sheriffs, and up with much of this bravo sierra they will not put. Looking to the past only makes for regret, looking to the the future only makes for anxiety, be in the present, the here and now. We didn’t get this far only to get this far…dark O’the moon, brothers and sisters, dark O’the moon. -30-

    1. avatar User1 says:

      How many sheriffs are actual law enforcement [follow the Constitution and fulfill their oath]? Now compare that to the number of police chiefs that don’t. How strong is their “brotherhood?” Have they ever thought about drawing a line behind the “blue line” or is just a job that pays their families’ bills?

  11. avatar Lost Down South says:

    Point 11 above, ‘what will it cost?’

    Says max of $200million. If there are indeed 1.5m guns, and we divide that equally, that comes to $133.33 each for a “buyback.”

    NONE of my guns, all of which were lost in an unfortunate boating accident, cost or were worth that little.

    Government takings indeed.

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      USD or NZD? If it’s in their money it’s closer to $92 per gun. So….. Jennings and ravens for turn ins?

    2. avatar Sian says:

      They aren’t taking all 1.5 million guns though. I would bet fewer than a fifth of those would even come close to being MSSA under the new rules.

      1. avatar Southern Cross says:

        Of that 1.5 million, at most less than 10% would be self-loading rifles, and less than half would be MSRs.

  12. avatar Lost Down South says:

    (back again…sorry for the multi comments)

    5. Are the Police geared up to receiver large numbers of MSSAs?

    Again…almost like they planned in advance.

    From item 7:
    “The total number of firearms in NZ is ESTIMATED to be 1.2-1.5 million”

    The population of NZ is 4.794 million (2017). If evenly distributed, 1:3 kiwis have a gun.

    Good luck with collecting them all.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Kiwis have been justifiably proud forever, of their ability to *make* what they want, generally out of nearly nothing. They will be producing more guns than Winchester before you know it, and those will NOT be registered.

      1. avatar User1 says:

        Self defense and self determination [security of a free state] is not a lawful reason for ownership of a firearm in New Zealand.

        People will not make their own guns to fight a revolution against their rulers. That is an American projection onto people with more of a European style government (aka the “West”).

        1. avatar Bob Jones says:

          British Commonwealth “Nations” were not fully liberated until after WW2….they’re only a few steps above post-colonial Africa. Real freedom has never been available in those places.

        2. avatar arc says:

          Natural rights trump opinions on paper.

  13. avatar Mad says:

    Confiscation is coming.America is lost.our only hope is for Jesus Christ to have mercy on us.with the way we’re treating Him we are in trouble.the Bible says today is the day of salvation because we are not assured of the meantime I am locked and loaded

  14. avatar HP says:

    I’d bet within 10 years, we’ll see something similar drawn up and passed here in the U.S.

    1. avatar Draven says:

      Already happened, CA proposed the exact same thing as an extension of their AWB a couple years ago.

      1. avatar HP says:

        I know, there have been a few states that have toyed with the idea. When the Dems eventually retake the whole kit and kaboodle, we’ll see it Federally.

  15. avatar B says:

    Knock, knock!

    Who’s there?

    Damn it, which one of you knocked? Just kick it in!

    Sorry, owner not home. I’m just the housekeeper.

    Housekeeper? You have I.D.?

    No, no I.D. Me give you [email protected]?

    1. avatar HP says:

      ID? Who carries ID? ID is racist. That’s what Democrats say.

    2. avatar Ilikegunz says:

      We need more lemon pledge!

  16. avatar GunnyGene says:

    The subjects of NZ’s Parliamentary Monarchy are screwed. Apparently they like it without vaseline or KY.

  17. avatar Tex300BLK says:

    It’s a lot easier for them to just pull you bank records and mine them for accessories purchases, ammo purchases, etc etc etc…. gun store sales records are paper (except for some of the big box stores that process the 4473 on an iPad…. for convenience sake *wink wink*).

    Probably also easier to just go after your ISP to look for browsing history/posts on blogs etc.

    They’ll always go after low hanging fruit.

    1. avatar Marty says:

      My LGS does not issue a purchase invoice if I pay cash unless I ask for one. All I get is the cash register receipt, nothing that can be tracked. I also pay cash for firearm purchases, nothing the banks can track. And since my state does not participate in the NICS system, there is no record of my purchase, except the 4473 which must be accessed in person by LE.

    2. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

      Isn’t that how they’re going after gun stores, thru the banks? They’re destroying the NRA thru banking. They got Al Capone thru taxes. They only need to make an example out of a few to make the rest fold.

  18. avatar Timo Toroian says:

    It just occurred to me that Rahm Emanuel is synonymous with “butt hole” ie, not good enough to yet achieve the ass level.

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      I often refer to his old boss as pResident O bowel movement .

  19. avatar Gadsden says:

    When they come for our guns here, be sure to have cached a good amount beforehand. Keep a couple “non threatening” throw always to surrender and act like you like it. Treat them with hospitality and support. Tell them you’ve come to see the error in your ways and due to the mass shooting you are now a die hard liberal. Ask them what else you can do to support comrade Stalin.

    Mista! Mista! I have baby! could you please say hi to the baby mista! We love you brave boys! Offer them food and wave them goodbye…. Then a couple days later, the next time you see them, after you’ve planted a healthy amount of biodegradable substances on the road side, for climate change of course… say hola snackbar three times and… well I suppose when they also let all those brave Muslim migrants in… it must’ve been them.

  20. avatar jarett says:

    …and this is what happens when you don’t have the right enumerated in your countries founding papers. This is not a surprise, following in Australia’s footsteps.

    Don’t think we will have any new amendments added any time soon and 18-280 is going to provide a legally narrow interpretation to the 2nd.

    1. avatar million says:


      1. avatar million says:

        disregard. that’s the SCOTUS docket # for NYS Pistol and Rifle Assoc vs NYS:

        and Chief Justice John “Penaltax” Roberts is going to screw the 2A in a 5-4 decision “to save the integrity of the institution of the Supreme Court.”

        1. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

          Someone got to Justice Roberts. Threatened him, his family, his safety. It was out of character for him to vote for Obamacare. Did Justice Scalia really die of natural causes?

        2. avatar Marty says:

          From what I’ve read, he is being blackmailed by deep state intelligence because he adopted his children illegally and is afraid of losing them. Yes, I thought about Justice Scalia’s “natural death”. He was found with a pillow over his face. That alone was enough to prepare an Autopsy, but no, he was immediately cremated? Yes, he was in poor health, but the authorities lack of questions are causing the public disbelief.

  21. avatar WARFAB says:

    Based on my reading, it would appear some of the more permanent fixed magazine solutions developed for the California and New York markets would/should allow Kiwis to keep their rifles. I wonder if the guys at Mean Arms will be prepared for the increased business and shipping internationally.

  22. avatar FortWorthColtGuy says:

    Only 13,500 of the guns in NZ are “MSSAs”? I bet there are that many in my city or a single gun show alone here in Texas! I am surprised they didn’t go after autoloading handguns.

    1. avatar Ross says:

      13,500 would be some of the number whose owners were foolish enough to register them with the police when the licensing category changed in the 90s going forward in order to purchase a modern sporting rifle one would have to hold an E class license but when the licensing change went through initially owners of what we in the US would consider modeling sporting rifles had to either register it and get an E class license or convert it to an A class, a lot of owners that were smart didn’t. Gun City imported and sold north of 60,000 Chinese AK’s before the license category changes I doubt that 60,000 owners converted those rifles to an A class license.

  23. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Let me start by saying I dont care what another country does or doesn’t do.
    If 5.5 million NZ subjects cant tell their govt what to do through elections of representatives of their choosing. I will still sleep well at night here. Try that here. I might be willing to go to war with who knows who over it.

  24. avatar HEGEMON says:

    Has anyone noticed that the NZ Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, looks like an anorexic ghoul?

    1. avatar Leighton Cavendish says:

      and the camera adds pounds…imagine what she’s like in person…
      that baby is sucking her dry

  25. avatar John Smith says:

    i sold all mine through the gunshow loophole,hehe.

  26. avatar Timmy T. Bone says:

    People keep talking about the courts and law like it means something. Witness the red flag laws. Someone just has to accuse you and you are toast. It violates the Constitution yet here they are on the books in many states now.

    They will pass confiscation laws. Nobody turns them in. They can come to your house and attempt to find them. Even if they arent there and you say they went overboard in a boating accident, they can do a lot of things to you.

    -They will just lock you up till you comply.

    -Or they can revoke your drivers license, seize your bank accounts, turn off your credit cards, water, electricity, etc…

    Make your life miserable till you comply. Turning all that stuff is very easy – just takes a court order and companies will be more than happy to comply. You will have no recourse.

    Dont think it can happen? Come one.

  27. avatar Toni says:

    And meanwhile here in australia we have Gun control australia now calling for ban of “Military Style Bolt Actions”. Go Rot in Hell GCA!!!! MOLON LABE as i have always said

  28. avatar J says:

    In Illinois, I think the FOID card has been around since 1968 or 1969. I don’t think the criminals in Chicago ad Cook County has been impacted by the rest of us in Illinois having a FOID card to purchase a firearm and ammunition. We can not handle a firearm in an Illinois gun shop without having to showing the stupid card first. It really is stupid to even think a FOID card for 50 years has inhibited a criminals need for a firearm in Chicago. Oh wait criminals, you need to have or get a FOID card to shoot someone in Chicago.

    1. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

      I’ve always wanted to ask the news people why they never print “The gang banger had to forfeit his FOID card after the arrest”.

  29. avatar HoundDogDave says:

    If they try it here, some will suffer. I will plead the 5th, What guns of mine they don’t find will still be in the fight. I am old and they might lock me up for the rest of my life. But they can’t lock up a quarter of the population all at once. Blood will be spilled on both sides. But we outnumber those that will be tasked to take our gun by more than 35 to 1 and outgun them by 80 guns to 1. Even if they manage to find and destroy 75% of our arms we still outgun them 20 to 1. We shall prevail in the end. Keep your powder dry & do not comply.

  30. avatar Alan says:

    I wonder, is there any sentinent adult anywhere on earth that has failed to realize the following? That registration, sooner or later, leads to confiscation, action for which a “good reason” will always be found.

  31. avatar Dexter Winslett Bham. P.D. Retired says:

    I look forward to defending our liberty.

  32. avatar Alan says:

    What this government order amounts to, in plain English, is the following. That the freedom and rights law abiding New Zealanders previously enjoyed, have taken a gigantic hit. Of course, New Zealand’s criminal population, I expect that there are criminals there, as is the case everywhere, will hardly be inconvenienced. Strange how that sort of thing works out, isn’t it.

  33. avatar strych9 says:

    I would point out that technically this is not a ban but the laying of the ground work for the ban.

    They’re likely going to just ban MSSAs flat out, that’s the next logical step. This note is saying that, by executive order, they’re expanding what will be considered an MSSA and therefore expanding the definition of the things they plan to ban.

    If you currently own something that’s not an MSSA before this goes into effect, but is an MSSA after, and you don’t already have an E endorsement on your license, you’ve got a legal problem because you now possess an MSSA that you have no endorsement for.

    Later on, with the bill they’re expecting to pass by 4/11, they’ll ban all MSSAs both previous and the new ones covered by this “order”.

    It’s kinda like re-writing the AWB in the US to cover things it didn’t before, like a Mini-14, and then reinstating the ban like Feinstein wanted with “new and improved” coverage.

    1. avatar Toni says:

      apparently they are planning to vote on that legislation within the month. what i posted above is a temporary measure i found out tonight. some are hoping to include registration of all firearms in the legislation and with the makeup of the NZ parliament right now i hate to say it but it will likely pass…. molon labe

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        Yeah, they want to finish off the legislation and hope to pass it by the 11th of next month.

  34. avatar Chris Thompson says:

    What a shame it would be if any gun owners killed the cops if they do door to door non-knock raids looking for guns.

    1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      As a Christian gun owner I will pray for the families when that happens. As I clean my guns and buy more ammunition.

  35. avatar Gordon in MO says:

    Quote: HP…. “Hiding what? What if you sold them off years ago? Destroyed them? I understand your cynicism, but we still have trials by jury in this country. The burden of proof is going to be on the state to prove the guns are hidden, that you still have possession of them, and are refusing to turn them in.”

    The left ignores laws they don’t like and plan to destroy the Constitution. The don’t like conservatives, especially 2A supporters, so laws will not apply when (not if) they get full control.

    Demographics will give them full control of the federal government by 2030 if not 2028 and the full time demolition will begin. Don’t be surprised if there is an epidemic of accidents and illness in the SCOTUS. (Think Scalia)

  36. avatar raptor jesus says:

    Build an 80% lower in your house, cobble the rest together.
    Pay cash in person for parts when possible.

    Otherwise the internet has records!

  37. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    Registration always leads to confiscation.


    registration is to control who can have
    and they don’t think you should have them at all.

    The only thing that stops this is big enough rake-offs from the protection registration scheme.

    They let citizens keep cars for the registration license fees, gas taxes, n road building kickbacks. Also vote harvesting from construction vontracts n trades.

    When they figure out how to extract more from mass transit, that’ll kick into high gear. It isn’t about the land or carbon any more than wind power; that’s about building windmills, and who gets paid to build them.

    1. avatar Toni says:

      if you actually look into the latin roots of words (which is used often in legalese) registration is actually far more and far worse than just a record of who owns what. It is actually signing over ownership of the item to the Regis (king or in this case the government that is acting as king). they also give it a somewhat different meaning in common language so that it is more palatable to the masses. How do you think they can justify confiscating your car if you do something wrong on the road in legal terms…. exactly that. They cant do it to unregistered off road vehicles eg farm vehicles but they can if they are registered to use on road even if the incident occurs off road

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