“The hijacking of our movement by these radical extremists causes me to fear for the future of the right I have spent my adult life fighting to defend . . . When we engage in noisy, extremist rhetoric rejecting all firearms regulation whatsoever, or refuse to acknowledge the plain fact that constitutionally validated regulations and statutes already exist, we risk alienating the American mainstream. And if we lose that mainstream, we will lose this war.” Dick Metcalf, Target: Me [via politico.com] [h/t CH]
When it comes to disabling the body that is under full stress anything that isn’t leading to electrical failure (a CNS hit or something that severs a necessary nerve), a mechanical failure (detached muscle, broken bones or destroyed joints) or a hydraulic failure (loss of blood pressure) you’re basically hoping for a psychological stop. Some people will just quit because you shot them, others because they have ‘seen the light’ and decide consciously to deescalate, but some become the much vaunted ‘bullet sponge’ and soak up even fatal damage while continuing the fight. The answer remains the same, keep inflicting as much damage as possible as quickly and as often as possible until one of these factors decides the contest.
What has always been more interesting to me is taking the other side; stress inoculating via consideration, visualization and rationalization in order to BE the ‘bullet sponge’ in the event of a life or death fight. One need not be ‘tough’ in the traditional sense, high, nor ‘psycho’ to pull this off. If you train for it, and you’ve spent your whole life with the internal thought that you’ll continue even when mortally wounded it’s much more likely that you actually will do so when the chips are down. The only thing I can say to the BGs who have soaked up so much damage during in the field experiments is thanks. Thanks for teaching me that it’s possible to be perforated, spindled, folded and mutilated and still in the fight.
It also speaks of motivation. I have to stay in the fight cause if the bad guy gets pass me he’s made it to my wife, daughter and grand daughters. I cannot allow myself to be shut down by fear or pain.
So, mr metcalfe driving people away from support of 2A is just wonderful, people refusing to accept his anti-2A sentiments is the downfall of the Human Race. OK, got it.
Counting is free, and my pistol has a built-in feature for letting me know the magazine is empty called a slide lock. No thanks.
The extension provides the time to enact an “impossible” process to open up in Chi town. Ex. $50,000 permit, $5000 processing fee,
Zoning fees, County fees, City fees, mandatory $5,000,000 worth of insurance. Than the building inspectors, fire Marshall’s get involved, than police require video and very expensive security, etc, et al…… And Still no evil black rifles!!!! Quite the incentive.
Straw man argument again… “extremist rhetoric rejecting all firearms regulation whatsoever”. Sounds like Dick has been reading from Bloomberg’s playbook again, maybe the Speech guide used by Obama.
My response…. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh Shaaattttuppp!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArSLNJNUEIM
Umm, actually Dick, we’re winning the war, in-spite of you, not because of you. But thanks for playing anyway. Enjoy your twilight years and your retirement.
And you only lose a war when you surrender.
A little bit of doubletalk there Mr. Metcalf. How do you defend the right and allow restrictions at the same time. Yes, restrictions exist, but the defense of 2a is about freedom and the very restrictions you are proposing limit that freedom. You cannot defend and right and restrict it in the same breath. I’d ask whose side you are on, but you are fortunate to be a position where you work is obvious over the years.
Sir, It is impossible to negotiate with the anti-gun extremist just as much as the pro-gun extremist. Your sentiment that noisy, extremist can backfire is important because heated, non-rational conversations cannot help to address the hardcore facts that exist. The facts that are necessary to win logical support from anyone in the general population who will listen
However, if we are to keep our rights, there are certain lines and restrictions that cannot be allowed.
If I recall his article correctly, he used the oft-regurgitated fallacy about Speech being restricted with the “fire in a crowded theater” to support his misguided argument. And, then his also misused the term “well-regulated.” I think the old man has lost his marbles.
That’s a stupid argument, if there’s really a fire in a theater it’s perfectly fine to yell “fire!”
I was at a military movie one time during a particularly tense scene (white of the eyes type scenario). As the suspense increased several people called out, “Fire, already, goddamit!” Don’t recall the FBI showing up to arrest and prosecute anyone.
I thought this was a pro-gun blog? Anti-open carry article, and now quotes from this moron?
It’s a pro gun blog because he’s quoting this stuff to exhibit how fricking *wrong* it is.
were you born stupid or did it happen over time? They quote this guy because its relevant to the Second Amendment and his story has been covered since the outset, as for the open carry piece, this is a place for healthy debate.
It is a truth about guns blog
This blog is a place to present both sides of the coin, albeit with a clear favoritism to one. Know your enemy, as we say. Farago has said as much. He’s going to provide a forum for dissenting views. He’ll even publish editorials from anti-gunners, if they have the courage to offer themselves up as a martyr to the anti-gun causes they champion. There have been few takers; but if you look back through the archives, you’ll find a few anti-gun postings on this site.
Dick tries to paint himself as reasonable but he was just plain wrong!
He thinks “well regulated” means laws and restrictions.
He suggested 16h of training for Illinois CCL is reasonable without any regard to cost or time availability.
And to prove all of his critics right, he won’t shut up about it and admit he was wrong.
He knows he’s lost the pro-2A people, so now he’s vying for a pat on the head from the antis. Typical sociopathic, narcissistic behavior.
Last nite the NSSF gave Jim Zumbo the Grits Gresham communicator award. Next year fully expect Dicker Metcalf to receive industry awards. It ain’t called “a fifth column ” for nothing.
Apparently the news of Jim’s 180 turn isn’t as widespread as his initial gaffe. He has since seen the error of his ways, gotten some education on ARs and their uses (from Uncle Ted of all people), joined the SAF and is back in the industry doing good work.
I couldn’t read beyond the first page.
Either this guy is too dumb to realize that the anti-gun extremists are turning him into a poster child for their movement, or he’s got a freaking ego the size of Texas that won’t allow him to shut his own mouth.
He is Dupe, a paid Bloomberg Shill, Attention Whore and Traitor to America.
The Media is loaded with them
So those of us who support our natural right to self-defense and self preservation are “radical extremists”? Please. Metcalf has embarassed himself enough already.
Why would you want him to stop? We should be enjoying his little exercise in hole-digging. Go Dick go!
I’ll say one thing for Metcalf…he sure knows how to alienate Pro 2nd Amendment folks and marginalize himself. Next he’ll be in a News Conference with Shannon Watts.
“…causes me to fear for the future of the right I have spent my adult life fighting to defend . . .” Guess what, Dick? You can write-off your “adult life’s work” as a waste of time….
It’s the fault of Fudd’s like him we’re in the situation we are in today. All these “reasonable regulations” and “common sense laws” are the parents of such wondrous nonsense as 10 round mags only filled to 7 and “gun-free” zones.
The NFA, GCA and AWB are essentially Dick’s fault. The fault of Dick and every ignorant, racist Fudd past, present and future.
Same goes for prohibition while I’m at it. Born of bigotry and perpetuated by ignorance at best and a simple desire for control at worst.
These people are the Jews trying to convince their neighbors to just hear the Nazi’s out. Don’t make any waves because it could be worse. Stop open carrying because you might upset some inpatient and get our smoking privileges revoked.
I would not have joined Dick’s NRA. I actively spoke against Dick’s NRA for their anti-liberty actions. I eventually did join the NRA having seen their turn toward what Dick describes as extremist views.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, Dick.
Between the Fudd’s, prohibitionists and two-party partisans I really cannot wait for the dinosaurs of the old era to die off.
Hopefully they’ll die off soon enough.
In general, whenever I talk to people who support gun restrictions (registration, univ checks, mandatory training, mag limits) I always try to politely listen to their ideas. Then I ask them to explain (again, still politely) how their proposal would actually affect the target problem.Then I will offer a counter proposal that directly addresses their chosen problem that does not violate our human and civil rights. Example, a lady I was speaking to said she was afraid of idiot careless uninformed people able to buy guns. She suggested a mandatory licencing program one would have to pass in order to buy a gun. I asked her how that would actually work, and how easy it would be to dodge her system. I then proposed a rollback of the gun free school zone act and reintroduce gun safety training (a la Eddie eagle for little ones, and more Jeff cooperesque as they get older) at all levels of public school. Basically put it into the yearly rotation along with DARE, Fire safety, poison safety, sex ed, stranger danger etc. I also mentioned that it would address the (albeit rare) cases of accidental shootings. I let her mull that over and she came to the conclusion largely on her own that my proposed system would be more pervasive, harder to dodge, directly address her concerns, and to top it off, not violate anyone’s rights. She didn’t like it, because of her decades long acceptance of the gun control gospel, but she had to admit that it was a better solution than she originally offered. The key is that even though I am hardline against gun control, I am not some slathering psychopath who is unwilling/unable to have a civil discussion with opposing points of view and cone to a reasonable compromise that gets everyone what they want (more or less). Mr. Metcalf, the difference between you and I is that I don’t see capitulation to a bad idea as a necessary starting point for civil discourse.
Well said, Josh.
Civilized discussions are what we should all shoot for. Many times, those we disagree with politically might have a good objective in mind, but have the absolute worst method for attempting to achieve that objective. If we can speak to them rationally and show why their method is bad, and that another method is better, we might be able to make progress.
Dick Metcalf wrongly perceives himself as mainstream. It’s the exact same disorder Mother Jones, PETA, Green Peace, etc. suffer from.
To be fair, many of the views expressed here aren’t exactly “mainstream”, either.
That doesn’t mean I don’t support them, mind you. Were it up to me, one would be able to buy a full auto weapon and/or a silencer at the local gun shop without so much as a background check…but at least 90% of the American public disagrees with that, and always will.
“Always will”? I disagree, who would of thought back in the eighties that by today; we have six Constitutional carry states; and all the other states have either shall issue CC and only few left with May issue?
The tide is turning in the level of re-awakening of what was the norm for most of our countries history; that is the common every day idea that carrying a weapon for defending oneself and ones community is what a responsible citizen does.
I hope you’re right, but I don’t anticipate being able to buy an M4 carbine with a giggle switch for less than $20K in my lifetime.
Who controls Politico, Bloomberg?
Bloomturd doesn’t control Politico but he might as well. It was founded by former employees of The Washington Post. Said publication has a long and dreary history of virulent anti-RKBA propaganda. Politico is basically an online only version of WaPo with all of the same beltway “Progressive” baggage dressed up as journalism.
So now that he’s (been) retired from the gun industry Metcalf sees no benefit (to himself) in the 2A. What a whore.
“And if we lose that mainstream, we will lose this war.”
It’s that sort of thinking that gave us political candidates like Limp Bob Dole, the Maverick RINO John McCain, the BlueBlood Mitten Romney and equally Blueblood “Read my lips” HW Bush.
Go self-procreate, you pompous ass.
John
It’s not like we are losing the war. Appealing to squishy moderates is always a crappy idea. Lead by example! Get people to conform to your ideas, especially if you are in the right, like we are.
It looks like you are fired up, John. I don’t blame you, I applaud you!
This guy is entering the Zimmerman Zone of guys I wish I didn’t have to hear of or from ever again. What a nimrod.
That’s doubly funny if you know who Nimrod was.
Reading the article, I think Mr. Metcalf is like a lot of people. I wouldn’t call them Fudds exactly but here’s the subtle difference between them and me:
Mr. Metcalf likes guns a lot, and he understands that he needs a little freedom in order to enjoy a lot of guns, but when it comes down to it, it’s about the guns.
I like freedom a lot, and I understand that I (and my likeminded countrymen) need a few guns in order to enjoy a lot of freedom. Sure, I like guns, but when it comes down to it, its about the freedom, not the guns.
Interesting point. I see this more and more, people who buy guns for protection, etc., but aren’t what I’d actually call “gun people”. I buy guns, certainly more of them than I actually “need”, because I freaking love them, but I own guns because they are powerful enablers – protection of home and family for the time it takes cops to arrive, protection in case of a SHTF scenario, etc. I haven’t thought of it exactly that way before, as in what comes first, the desire for freedom to protect me and mine vs. loud, bucking pieces of wood and metal that are kick-in-the-ass-fun to use.
This analysis of his thinking makes a great deal of sense, it would explain a lot.
He thinks of this as a highly enjoyable but rather dangerous hobby with a small element of the mindset captured by: “Don’t do this at home boys and girls! We are trained professionals!”
Now that he’s no longer writing for a gun magazine and having to avoid stepping on the toes of people like you (and me), he can elaborate his position some more. Guns for *most* people provided they pass muster–and to be sure he’s not being a *total* elitist about it; he’d probably be willing to let anyone who doesn’t have a dirtbag police record have ’em with a leeeetle bit of training (not really up to “professional” standards). But WE believe that’s not the point.
We aren’t liking what we are seeing, in the least.
Many “liberal” conclusions begin with the thought: “My mother was right, I am a very special boy.”
“We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. Constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures or (yes) even future judges think that scope too broad. We would notapply an “interest-balancing” approach to the prohibition of a peaceful neo-Nazi march through Skokie. See National Socialist Party of America v. Skokie, 432 U. S. 43 (1977) (per curiam). The First Amendment contains the freedom-of-speech guarantee that the people ratified, which included exceptions for obscenity, libel, and disclosure of state secrets, but not for the expression of extremely unpopular and wrong-headed views. The Second Amendment is no different. Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people—which Justice Breyer would now conduct for them anew. And whatever else it leaves to future evaluation, it surely elevates above all other interests the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.”
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, et al., PETITIONERS v.
DICK ANTHONY HELLER
Dick needs to step away from the keyboard, he just keeps digging that hole deeper.
They came for the AR15s, I said nothing. They came for the Glocks, I said nothing. They came for the shotguns, I said hey wait, you promised you would leave these alone!
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Dick Butter
Dick says in his article that he was against gun control laws because they didn’t stop criminals from getting and mis-using guns. Then he turns around and says that there should gun control laws because…… Why? Dick feels better to have the state controlling a right and making it into a privilege? Because the so called “mainstream” feels better to have the government controlling a privilege instead of a right?
Bah! Dick and any so called “Mainstream” are just a bunch of statist control freaks that pee in their pants at the idea of the real mainstream, us, the people; actually being free in practicing a right that the elite don’t control.
Intriguing!!
Take heed, extended exposure to sunlight can do awful things to unprotected carbon fiber. Probably not a problem on a gun, but I’ve seen lots of rice burners with exposed CF that looks awful after a few years in the wild.
In SC the “good guy shooter” would be charged with a felony for illegal possession of a firearm, for having a gun in a place that serves liquor. Even if he had a CCW permit. Unless of course he was an off duty cop, then its OK to defend yourself.
He’s from Illinois? Something in the water out there, “Land of Lithium?”
Dick Metcalf got the boot for being a sh!theel towards gun rights and that makes him really angry.
His solution is a long licensing process that would cost money, take time, punish the poor, and do nothing to really improve safety. He gets called on it and then get really mad that no one likes his idea.
Hell if you applied Dick’s logic towards religion or freedom of speech, a licensing program of who gets to worship or be a member of the press, he might understand why he’s an idiot, though most likely he’d just call us extremists and cry to gun grabbers at saying how unfair gun right proponents are.
We do not need or want people like Dick Metcalf, and it drives him crazy to realize that.
Nice!
Dick also fought for Rosa Park’s right to ride in the back of the bus.
Yes, Maryland is such a paradise people are leaving in droves.
“The shooter hit three people, prompting a person in the bar to return fire, hitting and critically injuring the suspect.”
This story is so Portland. An armed citizen with a CCP stops a bad guy. Oregon has a high percentage of adults who own guns and relatively few violent crimes. It must be something they put into the locally owned micro-breweries that makes most Oregonians great people.
Perhaps Metcalf is attempting to secure his “golden parachute” by turning into “the credible, reasonable voice” that Piers Morgan, Bloomberg and their ilk can turn to when they need an “industry insider ” to support their ideas.
Have they ever walked around the Dundalk neighborhood of Baltimore at night?
My guess is no, because no one who has wouldn’t believe in the right to bear arms.
Looking forward to seeing his op-eds on HuffPo. Seems to me us “extremists” were fine when we were writing his paycheck. Its only now that he’s having to shop his wrongheaded ideas and feelings of persecution to some of the very people he was allegedly fighting against “all these years” that we’re now that”extremists.”
Go play in extreme traffic, Dick. Neither side needs you.
Much like Chicago, the “media” in Baltimore appears to be just another state agency.
Most mainstream media is like this. Ignore facts, keep them from the readers to advance their own liberal agenda. Somewhere old Soviets are looking at our current American media and saying “damn, we ran our media and could not get coverage this favorable to the party agenda”. Frankly, all these media outlets can’t fail fast enough.
Sounds like a last gasp attempt to stay relevant in his longtime profession after self sabotaging that career…
Explain to us, Mr. Metcalf, why you used the gun-grabbing-accepted definition of “well regulated”. Why did you use their argument against us? That is what I simply cannot get past. By your claims you are well educated, taught history as a profession, and have been engaged in fights against gun control for 40 years.
So why did you make such a fundamental mistake? I can only assume, based upon your resume, that you did not see it as a mistake in your argument. You have not addressed that problem in any of your replies and pleas published since your editorial was published. Why is that?
I can only conclude that you agree with our enemy’s arguments as you refuse to deal with the substance of our objection. Looking at your resume, you should have known better, and we deserved better. Enjoy your retirement.
Hows abouth this.
The Baltimore Sun is adiquated old tecknowlogy that should be banned from being able to publish daily.
Or even moreso the State of Maryland should be a sattalie of the former Communist Empire of the old Solviet Union for publishing propagander…
hymmm wheres my speil cuqke on this komputer??
Human beings choosing to voluntarily live as sheeple and subservient to others is absurd yet apparently a pathetic human trait based on history of the elites controlling the masses.
It’s absurd that people can freely practice their religion when we all know that _____ is the best one.
It’s absurd that police can’t just search anybody, anytime, for whatever reason. I mean, look how many criminals probably get away with their crimes.
It’s absurd that the Baltimore Sun isn’t censored by the government and told what to print. Now people can say whatever they want.
It’s absurd that the State has the burden of proof in criminal cases.
It’s absurd that people have a right to assemble and form groups like the NRA….or the NAACP, or ACLU, or Greenpeace, or…
I’m nonplussed that Metcalf doesn’t understand why people who value the 2nd Amendment found the article repulsive. When a ‘gun writer’ pens an article about the 2nd Amendment yet makes it obvious he either hasn’t read or doesn’t agree with Heller, of course he should experience disdain. It doesn’t matter, really, how many hunting trips he’s been on.
While I somewhat agree with this blog’s airing of the opposition’s viewpoints so that we don’t all exist in a bubble, last week, Dick was on the front page of the NY Times. He has had enough exposure and enough of an audience to whine to. This story was a waste of bandwidth. The people of the gun have spoken and excommunicated him, let him go with his kind, the anti-gunners.
I see where you’re coming from, but I respectfully disagree. This disgusting traitor must be confronted every time he inserts his corrupted opinions into the MSM. He must be shamed and mocked relentlessly until he crawls into a hole somewhere and stays there. He is a vile person that must be ostracized, and the TTAG is one of the best mechanisms for this. If anything, Farago and his crew err on the side of being too polite (because they’re not playing checkers, they’re playing chess) when discussing folks like Dick Metcalf.
So let me get this right…. some ranges here in FL stopped gun rentals period. While some will rent but not rent to WHITE MALES???? So now we discriminate against white males while a black, yellow, red, etc can walk in the same range and rent a firearm??? WTF is that all about??
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So, just like the women from MDA, Dick is basically interviewing for a job at MAIG by using the media…got it!
Your name wouldn’t be DICK would it ? Well I’ve met many but in his particular case it’s fitting. The antis don.t want common sense regulation and unless you haven’t been listening closely they (YKWTA) want nothing short of complete gun bans. Lead by the likes of Frau Blumberger, Sen. Frankenstein, Shannon Twatts, financed by Red Turner and others who want CONTROL!
So what kind of gun was it? The press and the police don’t seem to know.
No disrespect to the staffer who confronted the kid, but if the gun was an O/U shotgun, then it was empty after the two shots.
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“The paper singularly, spectacularly fails to point out that all of these sales were subject to the mandatory federal FBI background check.”
Fact check: this is incorrect. Those guns were handed out without a NICS check, because the dealers couldn’t call one in – the MSP is the POC for handguns and regulated long arms (ie, “assault rifles”). Your entire article is based on this incorrect premise, and is thus nonsensical. Please take it down and rewrite it.
Well the sales should have been subject to that NICS check, but the State Police hold the keys to that, and they don’t play well with others.
Good job Ralph, really enjoyed your article. Hilarious and informative. I have the 20 ga. model and first thought as I was taking it out of the box…..Dang, this is a heavy sucker. If out of shells, I could swing it like a bat and not hurt the gun. My wife bought it at Wallyworld as a Christmas present for our 12 yr old but I think I’ll buy him another lighter gun to hunt with and keep this one just for home defense. 3″ magnums in 00 Buck are plenty of bang. This one came with a 21″ barrel. Thanks for the laugh, look forward to reading future articles………JD
It worked for GZ. just saying. . . .
But it did FTE after the first round.
Worked and % chance that it WILL work are very different things. Odds are funny things both statistically and in lady luck/Murphy’s law type situations.
Same experience here.
My magazine still falls out and the gun likes to spontaneously disassemble itself.
Kel-Tec has been kind and prompt with the parts, but no amount of trust can be placed in this gun. Maybe someone else’s works great, but mine does not. I’m moving on.
I had similar problems with light primer strikes with my first PF9. I bought a second one with the through of sending the first back to Kel-Tec for repair. Both now sit in my safe unused.
I really need to get around to sending the broken on in for repair.
I now carry a M&P Shield daily.
Metcalf himself says in this very article “While researching existing laws and crime statistics in all 50 states I came to an inescapable conclusion: Gun control had essentially zero effect on reducing crime—for the simple reason that criminals by definition didn’t obey those laws. Mostly, gun control laws created a new class of criminals: ordinary citizens who ran afoul of them. I saw it not as a political statement, just a fact.”
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/guns-second-amendment-target-me-102133_Page3.html#ixzz2qUHIDS8n
Yet he is supportive of legislation that only targets people who aren’t inclined to break the law in the first place.
For example, let us consider CCW permit holders. Depending on the state, the requirements range from paying a fee and passing a background check to paying a much larger fee and undergoing some amount of training.
Does this make anyone safer from criminals?
No, because as Mr. Metcalf has pointed out, criminals don’t follow laws. They will not be attending the CCW permit class and paying the fee with you. They’ll carry anyhow and you’ll have no control over that.
I don’t hate Dick Metcalf and I won’t be sending him any nasty emails full of childish threats and idiocy, but the man seems to be experiencing some cognitive dissonance.
I thought the Barrett was recoil operated, rather than gas.
Where can i get one?
Seriously though. Pistol works fine with factory ammo. Hand loads lead to problems. Firing pin that previously worked replaced with a new one that needs to be fit into the channel by manually sanding the slide. And now the extraction problems due to (it sounds like) the necessity to remove that tension adjuster to get the firing pin in and out? Doesn’t sound like a gun problem to me. Sounds like amatuer modification problem to me. I work on all mechanical things I own, I just accept my limitations or the potential consequences.
For what reason?Wake me up when Glock comes out with something that makes sense/might interest me in any way.
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
Yummmmm
Political correctness does not have to have a “reason” .
This is the first thing that they have released that I agree with. In fact TTAG asked the AI if they should refrain from using the shooters names not long ago. If it is fame they seek let’s not give it to them.
+1.
This is the morning stopped clock event.
Dick, please…just go hunt turkeys on your property in Illinois and shut up.
I generally agree. Too often these killers are presented as supervillians, which is attractive to enough people to spawn copycats. Keep the coverage reasonable and muted, and when discussing the murders point out that they’re maladjusted losers with tiny dicks.
Gun owners aren’t willing to pay him to lecture to us about how great infringements on fundamental human rights anymore, but the gun ban crowd will write him a check for every article like that!
Okay, it’s a start, but it’s not naming that that’s the problem.
It’s the hours and hours of soul-searching background day-in-the-life why-did-he-do-it what-kind-of-cereal-did-he-like coverage that comes with it because the news people have nothing else to fill their 24-hour cycle.
I’m totally behind getting THAT crap off the air, but, y’know, Don Henley told us all about dirty laundry decades ago.
3 things:
1) RF and TTAG should send MDA a letter indicating they infringed upon TTAG’s previously stated mantra about not naming spree killers and that they should revise their letter to give proper attribution
2) ask if this means Shannon Watts (tell her I said hi and look forward to the NRA Convention in Indianapolis this year) and MDA will stop waving the bloody shirt (esp since one of the chosen ones who they believe should be allowed to carry a weapon popped someone over texting in a movie).
3) ask if MDA will not demand some action on mental health and leave us the frick alone.
The Right to Keep and Use a Printing Press is “Absurd”
Since everyone is in bed with everyone else it’s most likely a win win for those involved. What is the government getting out of it and what is Ruger getting out of it? And who is getting screwed by it?
Most people don’t remember this but there was another newspaper called The News American. That was Republican paper. Well, in about 1970 The Sun burned them out. Now, not sure but I think News American went to Western MD to become The Hearld Mail.
Boom! The sound of winning, haha. That’s an awesome idea.
Even doing this in liberal areas could be good if the people are professional. Doing demonstrations only gives ammo to the gun control people to portray gun owners as “extremists” and so forth. But a group of people just sitting and eating is pretty hard to create a picture for negative publicity.
Maybe we’ll start seeing Ruger’s without as many extraneous safties and warning labels.
Not to sound selfish or demean the loss that California citizens will suffer by not having new Ruger’s available, but that’s all been stated already by others.
I’m just saying maybe it will knock some unnecessary machining operations off of the product line and make them even more affordable for the rest of us.
No matter how you cover these guys you give them what they want. If you don’t cover them then you are inhibiting the free flow of information. The only way to “do it right” would be to cover accurately from the standpoint that these folks are pathetic and small.
I mean, look at this homicidal dork in the fishing vest! What’s that on his belt, binoculars? Nice backwards hat bro. Rot in hell.
Tattooed hands? Ummmmm, not my cup of tea there. And $650 for a silencer/suppressor is considered dirt cheap?
Chris,
That was funny!
I am increasingly of the opinion that Kel-Tec is a corporate prank or maybe an exercise in firearms manufacturing as performance art.
Also, is there any proffered explanation for the little wood nubbin jammed up between the butt plate and rear mechanicals?
Any models with iron sights? How about Iron Sights with a picatinny rail? What Barrel Lengths? Weight?
Could be a great brush gun.
the h&k ump .45 is listed at $1599, that’s about 4 mechtech uppers (w/ S&H) or probably 6 or 7 Hi-Point variants in same caliber…the least h&k could do for the ump is have a glock mag conversion included at that price…
lord jesus I just messed myself
that is dead sexy
Winner: Best response to a new gun.
I was gonna say it made my sticker peck out.
I do love ARs. BUT NOT a all plastic AR. It will be too flimsy and breakable. Proves SiG is bankrupt in ideas we had almost all polymer ARs before they don’t last in popularity long.
Perhaps Kel-Tec could import them. That way, they could actually put something on store shelves.
3 piece plastic, plastic, metal in .308, that’s a miracle of modern manufacturing…it won’t be cheaper than metal for a long time due to complexity, patent, rarity, etc. …, and why hasn’t anyone diecast cheap pot metal AL cases ?
I wonder what that neck is, ABS, polycarbonate, ? … they’re inj. molded …. 3D printed components would need acetone vapor smoothing/treating at the very least if even ever possible in ABS..
plastic bullets should be the heavy .43 gram airsoft bb material (twice as heavy as unofficial industry standard .20 gram 6mm plastic bb)….a .50 bmg one could be used for deer hunting and could spark more interest/ownership in that caliber with cheaper ammo.
speaking of 3DP, I wanna see this guy cast a steel rifled barrel from this, maybe with lost foam process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kisQAz8z4t0
Draw Rifled Gun Barrels in Sketchup, 3D Print a Rifled Barrel!
If they can get that double-barreled 1911 monstrosity in, then I wonder why they can’t get the Strike One into the US. I doubt I’d replace my G17 with it, but I’d definitely like to shoot one and give it a chance.
That is a handsome piece of hardware right there….
Not ready, again? Wouldn’t that be ‘Strike Two’?
Nope, nothing for lefties. Will happily shop elsewhere.
When the moment comes, and I fear it may, “it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”, as they say, the decent and respectful declaration of the causes which impel such separation would most definitely include these countless infringements, incremental to monumental, that constitute the whole of the State’s usurpation of our right to keep and bear arms!!!
Sorry but I just found another great video. This guy has it 100% right too! Watch THIS one too Dick.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d38_1389817751
I don’t see a single purpose in life for that revolver???
I can just imagine what will happen when this thing gets it internals loaded up with pocket lint!
Ugly gun, looks like Superman got hold of it and squeezed too hard.
First off I’ve been around the block a time or two. I’ve never sold a firearm, but I’ve aquired quite a few. My carry gun is a LC9 but I enjoy shooting and being retired shoot on the cheap. I wanted to buy a pistol of a caliber I didn’t own so I went to Wally World to see what ammo was available and low and behold look at all the .40 S&W. I acquired 900 rounds over 3 days and waited for the gun show to come to town. 1st day of the gun show here’s a Hi-Point .40 for $169.99. Sold. Out to the range I go. 1st 10 rounds free standing covering a 4 inch circle dead center of target @ 21 feet. I had to quit shooting after 100 rounds because I ran out of targets (and my arms were getting tired) and I was punching out so much paper It’s no fun going through an existing hole and not seeing where you hit on a target. No FTF or FTE using Winchester 165 grain. 2 weeks later I can’t find any .40 S&W on the shelves but lot’s of .45 ACP and I don’t have one of them. I buy 300 rounds of .45 and wait for the gun show to come to town. 1st day of show I find the same dealer that sold me the .40 and buy the Hi-Point .45. Out to the range I go. 1st 9 rounds @ 21 feet I have a 4 inch pattern 2 inches high and 2 inches right. Over the next 27 rounds I adjusted the ramp all the way down and was still 1 inch high. I did not bother adjusting for the shooting right at that time. I did bench rest this gun to check the aim and it still shot high after adjusting the ramp down. I managed to smash my left pinky finger on the bottom of the magazine twice (2nd time resulting in a lot of blood) while bench resting to verify my aim on the last 18 rounds. Total rounds fired 45 with no FTF or FTE. The reason I bought these two was to leave one in my truck and one in my wife’s car (she has a CPL and carries a LCR .38 special +P) without worrying if they got banged up or scratched because of the cheap cost however I just don’t want any unnecessary marks or scratches on my firearms so I pull them out of the safe and put in the vehicle if we are going to a rough or unfamiliar area or vacation (retired is not being on vacation like some people think). I did read a lot of reviews on both of these pistols before buying and I was sold on the price. I’ve put a total of 600 rounds through the .40 with not one FTF or FTE. I haven’t put anymore through the .45. I’ve got no complaints and my S&W models 57, 657 (.41 Rem mag) and 43c (.22) aren’t the least bit jealous on the pistol shelf.
Something new, unfortunate for us the gun stores will be flooded with these and still no keltecs.
Zulu gave me a life long lust for Martini’s, never satisfied. Quigley did the same for Sharps. SIGH.
I can’t get over that window, I think it’s just ugly.
9oz won’t do much to tame that recoil, it’ll be even less fun to shoot than lightweight J-frames.
Hey, when Eire had a driving licence backlog, people there were allowed to drive while licences were pending.
Pricing on the rifle? Looks like a blast.
i’d hope they weigh a bunch firing 45-70 or larger.
Nascent group looking to stand for gun rights and self defense. Have to give these guys credit for stepping up. Worth the read on their home page.
http://www.gunowners.in/
Another Glunk clone…Yawn….
I think a few would-be rapist getting shot in their dangly parts would serve as a better deterrent than some feel good new law. Death Wish style, without the awesome Bronson mustache.
Oh, wow!
Nothing new there. AAC showed something similar several years ago and Huntertown has been shipping the Fusion integral barrel (sleeved mono core style) since last year (so you convert an existing 10/22..no need to buy another).
It was there most requested caliber. CZ can learn from this.They would fly off the shelf.
The latest iteration of the game “Clue” has some new twists: The martial artist in the shower with a pistol while playing guitar on a bicycle at Christmas time.