Yesterday, Liberté Austin and I trained with Tactical Fitness guru Ron Grobman. Liberté’s GLOCK constantly failed to go into battery. Easy, GLOCK fans! Ms. Austin recently sliced open her right hand in an I-forgot-there-was-a-knife-in-the-kitchen-sink bloodbath. Shooting with her left hand, unable to grip the gun tightly with her right, she was limp wristing worse than Cameron Tucker. Besides, we all know GLOCKs are the sine qua non of reliable self-defense pistols. But is reliability the best reason to carry a GLOCK?
It sure ain’t looks. A GLOCK is the only gun that makes a Toyota Corolla look stylish. It’s also true that the GLOCK’s point-of-aim is only marginally more natural than a banana bike’s monkey bars. But hey, Gaston’s gats are accurate and Sherman tank rugged. Effortless-to-clean (provided you remember to safety check the gun before doing so) and reliable. Did I already say that?
There’s your list. It’s not perfect, but it covers the bases. So . . . what’s the best reason to carry a GLOCK?
If it’s all you can find.
No, I’m not playing this game.
You tell me why not to have a Glock without using your own personal preferences and weaknesses as the baseline for the rest of the world.
I’m still waiting….
I still remember the first time I disassembled the first glock I bought and had to read the instructions. My first thought after reading was “I have to pull the trigger to get the slide off?!? That doesn’t seem safe.” I still think it’s an inherently unsafe design.
For a retard.
Smart people do stupid things all the time. We’re not talking about a premeditated act. All you need is to be distracted for a second or two and anyone, especially someone who’s taken a weapon down dozens or hundreds of times and has become complacent, can forget to clear the chamber. Fortunately, if you follow the other 3 golden rules of firearms safety nobody gets hurt. Just a little ringing in the ears and a temporarily elevated pulse. What’s really stupid is to design a gun like that, or even worse, copy the design.
Do you normally clean your gun with live ammo? I don’t understand this logic. One could make the same argument for the 1911 carry method most people use ( cocked and locked). Inherently unsafe guns are the ones that go boom when you drop them ect.
Hey Michael, I was saying my opinion on the Glock, I don’t think calling me a retard is helpful. It makes me think your opinion is unimportant when the only response you offer is an insult. It makes me think you don’t have a logical response to a concern.
I didn’t call you a retard. I said that the Glock design is flawed if it was designed for a retard.
My point is that normally intelligent people can operate a chainsaw without…I mean operate a table saw without lopping off a finger…I mean hang a ceiling fan without electricuting…I mean dry fire a pistol without killing anybody or destroying anything.
Why would you attempt to disassemble a loaded firearm? The answer is you wouldn’t. Even if the trigger pull isn’t required you should make 100% sure the firearm is unloaded before disassembling it. If you do that what’s the big deal?
I agree with you 100 per cent on the fact that even Tarzan’s Cheetah the monkey could have designed a safer take down system and those that would defend the Glock’s takedown system would not be intelligent enough to even work for Cheetah the monkey.
Its easy for arrogant fools to walk around with their nose up in the air pontificating about themselves being perfect walking computers that will never make a human mistake but the real reality is “the graveyards are full of such geniuses” its called “The Darwin Syndrome”. Or Murphy’s law ” If you say it cannot happen to you, it probably will happen”.
I remember seeing a picture on the Net some time ago showing a chimpanzee holding a Glock. It was captioned “The Typical Glock Owner”. No truth was ever pictured.
So your goal is to provide antis with a line of attack against one of the most commonly owned and carried handguns in the US?
It certainly seems that way.
Your hyperbole is not constructive for gun owners, and could be harmful.
Ah yes, according to your hyperbole we all should increase Glock’s sales by lying to first time gun buyers because when it comes to the body count it can never be too high where profits are concerned. Brilliant economic philosophy according to most of the corrupt Businessmen who engage in this type of reprehensible behavior every day.
I suggest the Corrupt Businessmen and Stock Holders put their money into the Beretta Company instead, at least if any of them (highly doubtful) do have a conscience they could sleep better at night.
I have no economic interest in Glock. I have owned four Berettas. I know a few armorers who are not too enamored of the M9; it and the 92 family have their own weak points.
Given the vast number of Glock carriers out there, not even counting the 60% or so of the LE market, if Glock were so inherently dangerous we should have seen quite a bloodbath.
Once again, you aren’t informing new gun buyers so much as you are feeding talking points to Feinstein, Bloomberg et al.
By the way, there is no need to decock a Glock. The striker does not have enough tension to fire a primer unless the trigger is pulled, even should internal safeties fail.
Glock has had some many lawsuits against them I have lost count so your comment about no blood bath is false and utterly false. Anyone that is not skin tight cheap and has subscribed to lots of gun magazines and the news paper Gun Week now called the Gun mag has seen many, many tragic stories since Glock first came out in the 1980’s. So yes indeed we have had a long, and very long blood bath with the Glock and copy cat guns like it.
As far as de-docking you fell right into my trap. Lets take a look at the original Walther P99. It has a de-cocker and when it is applied it reverts to a long revolver like double action pull which will not trip off because it is in a single action short pull mode like the Glock.
As far as the Glock not firing if the passive firing pin fails. Glock did have a recall falsely called an upgrade because the passive firing pin safety was failing. Also the Glock is 67 per cent cocked and yes it could indeed fire if the striker was worn and let loose with a defective passive firing pin safety.
The new Sig P330 is even worse as it is 90 per cent cocked. So think again before you start telling everyone how safe and great preloaded striker fired system are. They seemed to be the all the rage right now because most gun owners including the Military Masterminds, who should know better but don’t, believe they are as reliable and as safe as the old fashioned hammer fired single action and P38 type double action guns that have been around for decades.
My most famous tweet is this: “Because of their ignorance People do not fear what they cannot see” and without a visible hammer the average gun owner has not a clue on how dangerous a pre-loaded striker fired system really is, especially one without a manual and a grip safety.
Its such an absurdity that my Browning 1906 .25 acp or my Browning 1910 or 1922 that had very , very stiff grip safeties that actually blocked the sear in addition to the manual safety which blocked the trigger were more fail safe than the more modern passive firing pin systems that often fail to work and have no manual or grip safeties. We have not progressed in the late 20th Century we actually regressed and the firearms industry has gotten away with it because Consumer protection laws do not apply to firearms. If they did a large number of gun models would be taken right off the market and numerous lives would have been saved because of it. The graveyards prove all the loud mouth fools who say otherwise are just that utter fools. And the fools that do not say that do not do so because they are already dead and gone.
Fallen into your trap? Hardly. Glock strikers require trigger action to achieve the spring tension required for ignition. Failure of the block alone is unlikely to result in primer ignition.
The Walther anti-stress system you describe is a completely different setup (and I have owned a P99 and P99c both in AS). The break is lighter and quicker than the Glock’s. So is the PPQ’s.
The S&W M&P line are considered double action only for legal purposes, but their strikers are almost completely cocked by slide action. Trigger pull moves the striker rearward just enough that S&W can claim a double action function. (I have owned M&P full size and compact in .45 and 9mm.)
Hammer fired autos aren’t impervious to mishap. Sear failures will defeat safeties. However, those are rare instances and usually the result of shadetree gunsmiths trying to lighten trigger pulls.
Most of the stories I’ve read or seen involving people shooting themselves with Glocks had to do with improper holstering technique, damaged holsters, foreign debris in holsters or pockets, or just plain stupidity – “I am the only person in this room professional enough to… BANG” as he cycles the slide to clear the chamber BEFORE ejecting the loaded magazine.
At least before “decocking” a Glock by pulling its trigger, you can remove the mag, then cycle the slide, then visually and tactilely check an empty chamber. You can’t do that to decock, say, a Super Blackhawk.
Have you ever handled a single action revolver? Do you think those are scary and that you must protect people from them?
Look Junior I was using revolvers when you were still crapping in your diapers. As far as your meme about just doing this or that to a Glock to prevent accidents shows either how inexperienced you are with “real life” or your just plain stupidity.
Safety devices were put on machines for a reason. They work and save lives and injuries. Yard mowing machines have back up safeties to prevent adults from backing over their own children, safety glass in auto’s prevents people from being chopped to pieces by jagged glass, anti skid brakes help prevent cars from skidding into other vehicles, and I am sure you would say that they are all unnecessary because people should either be more alert or skillful at operating machinery. This is the same Moronic response you give to people who have accidents with the un-safe Glock pistol. Its never the gun’s design fault because that would decrease the profit by reducing gun sales.
Believe me as the old Trooper once said “I can smell a gun writer salesmen a mile away”.
I cannot make it any more simple than that. You fail to realize in your inexperience with real life that people are people and they tend to make mistakes and they are all not stupid mistakes either. We must take into consideration the fact that people can be come distracted at the wrong moment, or be on even “over the counter” cold medicine that slows down their mental awareness or be irresponsible and have a few drinks or smokes, or simply be in a panic rush to hurry on with their rushed schedule of the day. All this leads to disaster when you market a gun like the Glock that was designed by people fired from the employment of Tarzan’s Cheetah the Monkey, who should have been given the job of designing the pistol as Cheetah could have designed a safer pistol to use and carry.
Junior here is a retired Navy officer, former defense contractor, and current 737 pilot. Thanks for explaining risk management to me…
Now go back to work for Bloomberg and Brady. All you have established is that you talk big and fling insults freely, and that you like to spout talking points used by Everytown, Moms, and MAIG.
Sorry Budd but just because a person is safety conscious and wants to save lives does not mean he is antigun. I probably have owned and still own more guns than you can ever imagine. I have been a competitor with shotguns, pistols and rifles and a safety firearms instructor. I am far from any type of an anti-gun nut and just because I disagree with you does not put me in any shape or form in that category.
The real problem with “people in authority” is that they have been taught “what to think” not “how to think” and yes you are a poster boy for this. I think you let your arrogance get in the way of your intelligence because giving you credit where credit is to you are not a stupid man. Your just unwillingness just like Trump to admit you ever need to add to your knowledge of firearms have proven you have very little mechanical knowledge about them. Anyone who would argue the point that the Glock pistol has many unsafe and unreliable mechanical attributes is really making a fool out of himself and not just in front of an experienced mechanical engineer but in front of anyone willing to take an unprejudiced view of firearms and their manufactures who are as much a bunch of greed mongers as any other type of business. Just because one is engaged in the manufacture of firearms does not set one automatically at the right hand of God.
I expose firearms problems both in terms of safety and mechanical reliability not out of hate or any wish to run firearms manufactures out of business but rather to save lives by improving their product into one that is much more safe to use and operate and will be much more mechanically reliable. You being a Military man should want to insure that our troops have the most reliable and safe firearms in their possession but your arrogance completely cancels out your intelligence which in turn put our troops at risk by using such firearms.
Lets face cold hard facts none of my information was rocket science. Even people not mechanically inclined (of which you are a poster boy) if they disregard their arrogance and look at a gun as a machine not as a religious icon cannot fail to understand the Glock and pistols like it have some serious reliability and mechanical safety problems. There have been way to many accidents with them as compared to more safer and more reliable designs as history has proven it unfortunately again and again.
You calling anybody else arrogant is pure comedy.
But I suppose I should just substitute your opinion not only for my own, but also for those of Larry A Vickers, Massad Ayoob, Hilton Yam, David Bowie… As far as what works for shooters in general, what holds up best in hostile conditions, what fails least often in extended classes.
Because you say so, after all…
Now your being hilarious. Your quoting Gun Writers. Its like hiring the wolf to guard the hen house just because he tells you he would be the best candidate for the job. Gun writers would not last 1 second in the world of gun writing if they told the truth about firearms. Lets face facts, in order to keep their jobs they must become the Prostitutes of the Gun Industry and they always have. Ever wonder who started the “Moro Myth” after the conquest of the Philippian Islands in regards to the stopping power of the .45acp? I still laugh my head off when I open one of the older Gun Digests. In it there was an article by two famous gun writers of the time and they are standing in back of a brand new Ford Pick up Truck Camper with it loaded with free guns and reloading and camping equipment. They fired a few rounds off into the air and then proceeded to write up a lengthy article praising to heaven every piece of equipment they got to test and keep for nothing. Even at a much younger age I laughed so hard I wanted to frame the article in my gun room but did not have the room.
When it comes to safety or mechanical unreliability you will not find any gun writers putting forth any damning criticism except in the most minor or mundane way often couched into such terms as “it may have been my fault because of the way I tested it” or “the problem is really not that bad” and that type of comment these days is even getting harder and harder to find in print.
Over the years it has become obvious that there are tip offs as to the poor accuracy of a lot of new guns as well. Did you ever notice that inaccurate guns are always tested as extremely close range instead of the standard 25 yards and often with only a few shots as well. Its really an insult to the average reader. Or they make statements such as “it runs better wet” more or less admitting its an unreliable POS. But again as of late that type of statement has now disappeared as well as the corruption in gun writing reaches new absurd heights.
So do not quote me about what this Harlot or that Harlot said when they evaluated guns in the gun magazines. And by the way David Bowie as far as I know never wrote any gun articles or owned any guns either. If you are following his advice your in deep doo doo.
Ayoob is a gun writer. Then again, he is also a successful handgun competitor, particularly in IDPA. You did list firearm competition as one of your major qualifying traits, did you not?
Vickers, Yam, and Bowie sometimes write about guns, but are not gun writers. Implying they are says much about you.
You are quite full of yourself, and other substances, including but not limited to hot air.
I am done with this conversation.
My posts were from hands on experience and experiments with the Glock. Your posts were nothing more than Glock factory propaganda, and gun writer cheerleaders hyperbole for the industry none of which proved that Glock was safe or reliable.
Other posts on this forum by other Glock users brought up other functioning problems that I did not even mention so I suppose you are saying all these people are full of it as well. Sorry, you have been backed up by a tsunami of truth that put you right up against the wall, the same one people are put up against when they face the firing squad of truth. There is no escape from it. It got you.
My hands on experiences with Glock are also negative; truly a defective design that somehow managed to weasel it’s way to the top. “Glock Perfection” is a total oxymoron. You can have your glocks, just don’t be around me with them.
I have owned and shot Glocks on and off since 1997, to include G30, G21 and 21SF, G26, G17, and G19. I have owned gens 2, 3, and 4.
I have also owned, shot, and sometimes competed with guns from Colt, Baer, S&W, HK, Walther, Beretta, FN, SIG, Dan Wesson, and CZ. I have been issued 1911A1, M9, M4, and M16. I have owned but not competed with products from Remington, Ruger, Springfield, Fusion, Kahr and Browning.
Most of those guns ran well. Some had issues from time to time. Others had one time failures.
None of my Glocks have had a failure of any kind. None of my CZ, DW, or S&W semi-auto guns gave me any trouble, ever. Polymer Kahr was troublesome, all-metal ran fine.
I have encountered serious mechanical failures in revolvers (S&W N frame out of time; S&W 442 spring failure; LCR frame cutting and stretching) and a 1911 (sheared lug for swinging link).
You make a lot of generalizations and assumptions. As I put it before, you are an ass.
I will not respond to you again.
A Catholic Priest once told me decades and decades ago that when you point the finder at someone by calling him an ass you have 3 fingers pointed right back at yourself.
I have made my case and proven the Glock is not as reliable as other auto pistols and that it is by far not as safe because of its lack of a manual and grip safeties, its lack of a visible cocking indicator, its ability to fire out of battery, its problem with losing its slide in a hard fall, its to generous throating that does not support the cartridge case adequately, others have pointed out they have had failures to fire and jams with it and its inferior cheap grade of polygonal rifling that is not as accurate and is “unsafe with lead bullets” (Glocks statement about lead bullets, not mine) and does not last as long as other forms of rifling. Just a few of the topics I and others alluded to about the inferior Glock.
Your rant about other pistols and revolvers having malfunctions I will not dispute but you mislead people into thinking the malfunctions were indicative of the design rather than poor workmanship or inferior grade parts which many times were the case especially when manufactures switched over to delicate MIM Cast parts. Whether or not you intentionally did this or did it out of lack of experience with these firearms I cannot say but misleading it absolutely was.
With Glock we were talking about “design defects” not inferior grade parts or workmanship which led to an unsafely designed pistol and one that is not reliable either. If you had done any extensive shooting at all with a Glock you would have had malfunctions especially under extreme conditions. Too many times I have had people swear about how reliable their handgun was but not having fired it extensively and in some cases for years. Their lack of use or the fact that their guns were fired under ideal weather conditions and in a clean and well lubed condition made their statements invalid. Few people have the time or money to fire thousands of rounds out of handgun to find out how good a design it really is. Extreme competition taught me many years ago that this really separated the good designs from the bad but even that was misleading as we fired mostly under ideal weather conditions except of course when being caught in the rain which sometimes can stop a gun cold, read that the M16 if left dirty and un-lubed. Just one example of many reasons why I take statements like yours with such a large grain of salt. The guns that failed under ideal weather conditions and that were clean and lubed really proved in those cases the guns were real turds and you would be surprised if I told you what types of famous designed guns failed miserably even under ideal conditions but right now I am not going to get into that story.
You have proven you may be off your meds. Bye.
First you claimed a holier than thou attitude by quoting Gun Writers and in the next breath tried to claim some of them were not full fledged gun writers. Why mention them at all if they are not competent even in your own eyes. I guess this is one time both of us agree you should have left them out of the conversation altogether except Ayoob. And in the past I went toe to toe with him too about the Sig 220 series of pistols he tried to claim were the 8th wonder of the world. And as far as David Bowie. I am not a mind reader. Without making clear which man you were talking about its anyone’s guess as to whether or not you were joking around about the singer or some hammer and chisel gun smith only a few people of the paramilitary lunatic fringe might be familiar with which never the less does not give him the last word on anything just because he happens to hammer on guns on the weekend. I have disagreed with gunsmiths before as the mechanics of firearms are not in the same class a rocket science and I do not hesitate to go toe to toe wit them when I know what the results of my own testing and experience has shown to be valid. Again I do not kneel before authoritative figures when they tell me how they “want me to think” because I have learned “how to think” so they had better have a goodly amount of research and /or documented experimentation before I can even begin to accept their conclusions. Not that I have not in the past accepted such but only because they proved it and not tried to push me around with their holier than thou attitude. And you have proven you are no where near in their class.
I usually find it easier to just quit bothering. But you are just a special case.
As an aside: Learn how to use punctuation and paragraph form instead of rambling like an incoherent lunatic. It makes it easier to figure out what points you are trying to make, and harder to miss when you go off on alt-rick tangents.
Vickers was a senior NCO for ODA-Delta / CAG, and is a well known smith for both the 1911 and Glock. He is a frequent partner with Wilson Combat and HK on development of new pistol components.
Yam is a cop, well known 1911 and M&P smith who owns and operates 10-8 performance.
Calling those guys gun writers, in the context you used, dismissed their real world experience as users and custom smiths.
I am not denigrating their writing ability. I am saying you ignored their expertise as non-existent.
You changed horses so many times in regards to your mentioning the “authoritative figures” (at least in your mind) who you worship on bended knee I am beginning to lose count. You believe that Authoritative figures cannot error which exposed your complete lack of knowledge about the design defects of the Glock. If you want to bow down to them as the “last word” at least stick with one view point, either you think they are or they are not. The real point was not that they are or are not full time gun writers the point is how competent they are and what they have actually said. Since they are not well known gun writers I would have to read what they have wrote on the subject not what you have claimed they may or may not have said.
Never the less I have had my own experiences and testing with this Gun and you have proved you have little experience and no testing and no study of the design at all. And I might add you have totally ignored all the other derogatory comments and bad experiences with this gun by others who have posted about this. You seem to have this paranoia that we are all out to get you and every person that has posted anything to the contrary is either a liar or totally demented or anti-gun for daring to question your sacred iconic philosophy that Glock is indeed perfection. I thank you for that statement I needed a good laugh today. I am not being facetious.
You are a pretentious ass who creates strawmen and puts words in the mouths of others in order to ” prove” your point.
You also like to use 17 words where 5 would do.
Yes quite observant are you. I use 17 words in place of 5 because when dealing with normal hard heads who are also paranoid I can usually inject a bit of common sense into their craniums but with you its a lost cause. Your worship of “authority” over actual testing and testimonials by people who have actually used such weapons i.e. the Glock show you are oblivious to any education on the subject at hand. No amount of testing, no amount of hands on experience by even people other than myself and no amount of technical info on the subject makes the slightest dent in your cranium. Authority on High aka “Glock Perfection Propagana” in your way of thinking proves “Authority” can never be wrong, never mind that they are in business to make money. I wonder if that fact ever crossed your mind in the least. Yes catering to the whims of the public does indeed make Glock money but the body count of dead corpses and broken and maimed bodies leave a bloody trail decades long.
Now lets get human and explore the real life tragedies which of course you will ignore with a wave of the arrogant hand. Just recently the News carried a story, one of hundreds over the years about a young Mother shopping with her 2 year old son. The 2 year old riding in the shopping cart reached into the Mothers purse and pulled out a pre-loaded striker fired gun with naturally no manual safety. The gun went off hitting her in the head and killing her instantly. This was a double human tragedy because not only would the woman still be alive with a safer designed weapon but her Son some day when realizing what he has done will devote his entire life to destroying the Second Amendment. And really who could blame him when our Country failed to include guns under the Consumer protection act which would absolutely saved his Mothers life. But no matter to you she is collateral damage.
Ditto for the very recent shooting, and of all people. a Conservative extremely pro-gun Women who should have known better than to carry a pre-loaded striker fired weapon with no safety. She was driving her car when her 2 year old son reached into her holster, grabbed her gun which was a 45 acp and shot her in the back, not only did she undergo much pain and expensive medical treatments but got the legal book thrown at her for exposing her Son to the access of a deadly weapon. Yet another tragedy that would never have happened with a more safely designed weapon.
Lets now look at what happened to a Chicago Cop who came home from work and while undressing threw down his unsafe perfection Glock on the bed. His 4 year old Daughter just happened to walk up to him at that precise moment and before he realized what she was doing she grabbed the safety-less Glock and blew her own head off. It never would have happened with a more safely designed pistol.
And now lets look at more Cops who handle Glocks every day. You mentioned previously that just because they use them the world is not awash in blood. Well guess again. Last summer a Cop got out of his cruiser, he started to stumble and naturally the safety-less Glock went off and he shot an innocent man who was a passenger in a car he had stopped for nothing more than a routine traffic violation. That story was right out of the gun magazines.
Another Cop case and this man was the head of the police department who reached across his desk and grabbed his Glock and it went off and he shot himself.
Or how about the Cop who was chasing a drunken teenage girl across a field. He stumbled and the gun went off and killed the teenage girl.
Now I could go on page after page and none of this is obscure or a rare event at all but just watching the evening news or reading gun magazines can prove my point a thousand times over. Seriously, do you live isolated in a cave somewhere? How could any gun enthusiast not be aware of all this tragic history with Glocks and copy cat guns like Glocks. But of course with you the body count can never be too high when it comes to profits for the Gun Industry as they are no different than the Auto industry which also has and continues to cover up defects in automobiles so they would not damage profits or sales. Its called good business practice.
But just remember you have told us you are perfect. You will never make a human mistake because you never have and never will make a mistake. Famous last Words when using or handling a pre-loaded striker fired gun with no manual or grip safety.
I had intended my previous response to be my last, I really did, but then I noticed your slam on David Bowie.
You really and truly are an ass.
You thought I meant Ziggy Stardust? You didn’t think to even google?
The Bowie I referred to is the SWAT cop and gunsmith who owns and operates Bowie Tactical Concepts.
I just noticed your bit about “consumer protection laws” theoretically not applying to firearms.
There we have it, folks, he is an anti trying to stir the pot.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G-EWSfJ1PwE/R5YeuvwS4nI/AAAAAAAAAME/rKGm-OHhcwk/s400/Glockmonkey.jpg
This picture says it all.
Eurp crap
‘Murica!
In answer to your question to the other poster, find my rather lengthy technical post on why the Glock is such a defective piece of sh**.
Trump’s gonna ban them!
You asked so here it is.
Reply
avatar cisco kid says:
February 5, 2017 at 20:38
The latest Glock model was recalled this summer , oops I mean UPGRADE because we are all too stupid to know they are one and the same. THE REASON; SAME PROBLEM Glock has had for years. A hard drop and the slide falls off the plasticky frame when it flexes on impact. Glock went through 3 modifications of the slide rails and this time proves they still did not get it right.
THROATING; If you want to experience the thrill of a handgun blowing up in you face the Glock is the one that will give this thrill to you. It can and does fire out of battery. Doubt my word, take a primed case without powder or bullet and let the slide run “almost” closed and then pull the trigger. It will occasionally fire right off. Not every time depending on how far the slide is still open and depending on the sensitivity and the hardness of the primer but yes it does happen. Just be glad you did not try it with a loaded round unless you want to blow yourself up. All this means that a dirty Glock that has its slide not fully close when shooting it could just result in it going ATOMIC on you.
Check out the underside of the slide. You will find an open channel that the striker rides in. Perfect for letting in dirt, burnt power or excess lube.
Check out the bottom of the grip and see the hole that leads right to the inner sanctum of the guns guts, perfect for letting in dust and dirt under combat conditions.
Check on the anemic ignition system and compare it to a hammer fired gun like the Beretta 92. Pre-loaded striker fired systems have extremely weak ignition systems. Seat a high primer in a case, no powder and no bullet. Try and set it off. It will not happen people. Now try the same test with the bone crushing blow of the hammer fired Beretta 92, it will drive the primer to the bottom of its socket and still have enough energy to set it off each and every time no matter how hard the primer is. Now that is reliability.
Try carrying a Glock in your coat pocket without a holster (empty of course unless you plan on committing suicide) and see how long it takes of the guns striker to trip off because there is no manual safety. Recently I saw an off duty cop from Columbus Ohio in a security video. He was on an elevator with his wife and attempted to take the Glock out of one pocket and put it in the opposite coat pocket and as you may have guessed the safety less Glock fired right off and he shot himself. I could give you add infinitum of similar accidents, many with Police Officers but why repeat the same story over and over again.
Glock factory plasticky sights are pure junk and will break off or wear down with too many holster presentation unless the holster has a sight track.
No way to un-cock the Glock unless you take the round out of the chamber first.
No easily visible loaded chamber indicator and no the extractor sticking out 1/32 of an inch just does not get it.
Take down system is an accident waiting to happen. Just forget just one time not to check the chamber and you must pull the trigger to take it down. Even Tarzan’s Cheetah the Monkey could have designed a safer take down system. Compare that to the Beretta 92 that makes you lock the slide open which would eject any loaded round you forgot to take out of the gun.
And lets not forget the wonderful trigger pull on Glocks, its so long and creepy that even Nostradamus could not predict exactly when it will go off.
And last but not least we can discuss the beauty of the Glock in all its Plasticky splendor. Yes Herr Glock finally did achieve something that was unbeatable, he designed the most ugly pistol in the history of the world, that is until people like Sig came out with the Model 320 but that is another disaster of a story still to be told fully when the Morons of the U.S. Military get egg on their face for adopting such a piece of Sh**.
I thought I was the only one that thought that Glocks were the ugliest pistol ever invented. I love my Beretta 92FS.
Do you want pretty hands in a fist fight?
You have summed things up beautifully Carry a glock if you wish, but for my dollar there are many other better pistols around. If I was given a glock for free, I would not keep it or use it.
You asked so here it is. A read out on everything that is technically wrong with a Glock
Reply
The latest Glock model was recalled this summer , oops I mean UPGRADE because we are all too stupid to know they are one and the same. THE REASON; SAME PROBLEM Glock has had for years. A hard drop and the slide falls off the plasticky frame when it flexes on impact. Glock went through 3 modifications of the slide rails and this time proves they still did not get it right.
THROATING; If you want to experience the thrill of a handgun blowing up in you face the Glock is the one that will give this thrill to you. It can and does fire out of battery. Doubt my word, take a primed case without powder or bullet and let the slide run “almost” closed and then pull the trigger. It will occasionally fire right off. Not every time depending on how far the slide is still open and depending on the sensitivity and the hardness of the primer but yes it does happen. Just be glad you did not try it with a loaded round unless you want to blow yourself up. All this means that a dirty Glock that has its slide not fully close when shooting it could just result in it going ATOMIC on you.
Check out the underside of the slide. You will find an open channel that the striker rides in. Perfect for letting in dirt, burnt power or excess lube.
Check out the bottom of the grip and see the hole that leads right to the inner sanctum of the guns guts, perfect for letting in dust and dirt under combat conditions.
Check on the anemic ignition system and compare it to a hammer fired gun like the Beretta 92. Pre-loaded striker fired systems have extremely weak ignition systems. Seat a high primer in a case, no powder and no bullet. Try and set it off. It will not happen people. Now try the same test with the bone crushing blow of the hammer fired Beretta 92, it will drive the primer to the bottom of its socket and still have enough energy to set it off each and every time no matter how hard the primer is. Now that is reliability.
Try carrying a Glock in your coat pocket without a holster (empty of course unless you plan on committing suicide) and see how long it takes of the guns striker to trip off because there is no manual safety. Recently I saw an off duty cop from Columbus Ohio in a security video. He was on an elevator with his wife and attempted to take the Glock out of one pocket and put it in the opposite coat pocket and as you may have guessed the safety less Glock fired right off and he shot himself. I could give you add infinitum of similar accidents, many with Police Officers but why repeat the same story over and over again.
Glock factory plasticky sights are pure junk and will break off or wear down with too many holster presentation unless the holster has a sight track.
No way to un-cock the Glock unless you take the round out of the chamber first.
No easily visible loaded chamber indicator and no the extractor sticking out 1/32 of an inch just does not get it.
Take down system is an accident waiting to happen. Just forget just one time not to check the chamber and you must pull the trigger to take it down. Even Tarzan’s Cheetah the Monkey could have designed a safer take down system. Compare that to the Beretta 92 that makes you lock the slide open which would eject any loaded round you forgot to take out of the gun.
And lets not forget the wonderful trigger pull on Glocks, its so long and creepy that even Nostradamus could not predict exactly when it will go off.
And last but not least we can discuss the beauty of the Glock in all its Plasticky splendor. Yes Herr Glock finally did achieve something that was unbeatable, he designed the most ugly pistol in the history of the world, that is until people like Sig came out with the Model 320 but that is another disaster of a story still to be told fully when the Morons of the U.S. Military get egg on their face for adopting such a piece of Sh**.
You have summed things up beautifully Carry a glock if you wish, but for my dollar there are many other better pistols around. If I was given a glock for free, I would not keep it or use it.
Hi, SINE, not SINA. Needs a little correction there.
Concerning Glocks, I shoot very well with them but don’t like them a bit.
Any other gun, but a Glock for me.
Cause Honda does not make pistols? Seriously, when the rabid liberal zombies attack there will be plenty of pick up spare parts for your Glock.
Glock- the gun Liberals prefer.
There are two reasons Liberals buy Glocks. One good, one bad. The good reason is, they deserve their reputation for being reliable and easy to maintain. The bad reason is their brand recognition, which is basically the same as propaganda for this context, but it’s a marginal reason for that same context. They are good guns.
Parts for Glocks aren’t something I see myself looking for in a post-apocalyptic world because if the gun fails, chances are any part you find would be in another Glock that you may as well just pick up and use. Sure, if part A on gun 1 is bad and part B on gun 2 is bad, make one gun out of two and keep the spares, but there isn’t much that fails on high round count Glocks other than the slide lug for the recoil spring*.
*source: Battlefield Vegas manager posts on arfcom (HIGHLY recommended reading)
If you dry fire enough, trigger spring.
I was under the impression that Liberals think EVERY gun is a GLOCK.
Considering that every manufacturer, their mother, and the lady that does their mother’s nails every other Tuesday is making a cheap, striker fired polymer frame pistol, can you honestly blame them?
When they first came out libs were terrified that they would not be detected in your carry-on luggage, plastic=invisible DYN. (maybe the first true ghost gun).
VINNY I actually lol’d. That plus all of these 33 rnd clipazines you can buy for them?! And laser attachments!!
Unfortunately, you’ll run out of bullets for it before you run out of parts. Why not grab a similar pistol with standard rifling (S&W, Springfield, Ruger, etc) for which you can cast bullets, instead. Sure, you can grab a Lone Wolf barrel for your Glock, but wouldn’t you be better served putting that extra $100 towards a second gun in a second caliber for your spouse/kid, in an SHTF situation?
For everyday carry with JHPs, Glock is just as good as anything, and better than most. If it fits your hand and your waistband, why not?
Why go with a lone wolf barrel:
1. Because you know and like Glocks.
2. Because if it counts I want my range gun (the .45 with the lone wolf barrel) to have the same manual of arms as my carry gun.
Why not just buy a KKM threaded match barrel and be happy?
Well that could work too, but I went with the lone wolf brand because:
1. Ive actually seen them in the wild, which meant a bit more of a pool of experience to draw from.
2. Back in 2014 (I think) blue press had those lone wolf barrels for like $80… so cheap!
In my experience it’s the reliability. I’ve put 15000 rounds through three different glocks, 8k of which through one, and have had one malfunction. It was a tulammo round and the primer had been struck, the gun did its job.
Reliability is my top concern in a carry gun. The Glock is more than combat accurate and has adequate capacity.
I carry one every day for work and my off duty carry is a 17 in the colder months and a Shield in warmer climes.
You either don’t care. or don’t want to.
Why do people drive Camrys, or Ford E-series vans, or Chevy Impalas? They work, and who gives a rip if it gets dinged, let alone wrecked or stolen. It’s a disposable piece of universal kit, that generally works as you want it to.
I understand. I don’t agree for a host of reasons, but I get it.
” They work, and who gives a rip if it gets dinged, let alone wrecked or stolen. It’s a disposable piece of universal kit, that generally works as you want it to.”
That’s pretty much it for me with my Glock 23. I live in Florida and am outdoors quite a bit. The humidity is high, and I’m sweaty on a daily basis in summer.
The Tupperware Plastic-Fantastic is *highly* corrosion resistant in that environ. The *only* time it ever failed to go *bang* when asked was my fault, when I was using a +2 mag extender and failing to use the G22 longer spring.
I won’t be happy if it ever gets stolen or ends up in an evidence locker , but I wouldn’t cry like I would if I lost a bespoke 1911 handed down from family elders.
It’s utilitarian like a base model Toyota pickup truck. Keep the engine oil and timing belt changed at recommended intervals (like the way the Glock recoil spring gets compressed with use) and you can pretty much forget about it…
Conformity is your bag and James Yeager said so.
I was limp wristing my 629 the other day, and for some reason it kept firing flawlessly, every time I pulled the trigger. Is it defective?
I haven’t had a problem with any other semi automatic pistol… Except Glocks. Fanboys blame the shooter, not the design.
(mirthful chuckling) Thanx for beating me to it!
I was going to say something along the lines of “carry a Glock because your .357 magnum is at the ‘smith getting cleaned” or something. ..
roflol
It only becomes defective if it fails to fire on the 7th trigger pull. A Glock 17 becomes defective, however, after the trigger is pulled 18 times. Clearly, a 629 wears out three times as fast as a 17.
Statistics, man. Statistics.
Thanks for that math. I guess that makes musket’s the most defective firearm design ever!
Curiously, I can report the same phenomenon with my 642, viz. it never seems to fail to fire or “cycle” properly. And since I believe “zombie apocalypse” is the stuff of comic books, I prepare for real world situations, things the S&W addresses quite well. Oh, I also carry on occasion a subcompact hammer-fired SIG. Even when I have deliberately limp-wristed it while shooting, it just kept on firing without a hitch.
As someone who owns a few glocks I agree, revolvers are super reliable. I am familiar with the glocks battery of arms(it’s pretty simple) but not as simple as a revolver.
Zombie apocalypses are unlikely. So are violent encounters, though less unlikely.
However, within the context of violent encounters that would justify use of lethal force, a multiple attacker scenario is NOT unlikely. It is actually pretty normal.
Given the effects of adrenaline plus movement by both or all combatants, I prefer more than the five in my 442 or SP101 – this is especially true if the BG brings friends.
Reliability, lightweight, simplicity and ease of maintenance. Added bonus that every holster manufacturer is at your disposal.
Yeah, I would say a myriad available accessories is the primary reason to carry a Glock handgun.
Yea it gets compared to the Toyota Camery quite a lot, but it’s got more of a Honda Civic aftermarket going for it.
I call it the F150 of guns because everybody and his brother have one. I trust it to save my life just like my truck saved my life friday.
Take that! Chevy.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ciy4o1c614xmfbd/AAAB2cpBeW0rqLhqYhNn5OIRa?dl=0
It absolutely did save your life, that was a *massive* hit you took.
The entire truck bed acted like a huge crumple zone, bleeding off the impact energy.
Have fun new truck shopping…
I don’t buy new vehicles. Depreciation is to great. Looking to go with a 4×4. Never had an AWD vehicle but I sure could use one.
Found a good deal on a GMC. I like Ford like Glock but I don’t let loyalty get in the way of getting what I want.
Perhaps you’re thinking as to the Toyota PRIUS?
If you shoot it well, I guess? I never have been able to shoot Glocks very well, personally, and I think their reliability rep is overrated. That is not to say they aren’t, only that they aren’t any more reliable than other quality modern handguns. If you have very large hands, I suspect they may fit you better than other options.
That they usually work is about it…I’m just not coming up with anything else.
Reliability and consistency of trigger pull, reset and controls across all relevant calibers… at least for me.
Wait, you just reminded me that I never had a banana bike:-(
Mine ended up being a pain in the ass. That Hurst-like 3 speed shifter kept jamming on me. Probably the only thing from childhood I wished I would have kept…
I’m willing to believe there was a valid reason, not involving self defense, for her to point a gun at him. However, I’d be much more comfortable had it been the blue gun instead of a real one.
I’m pretty sure he is standing next to her and it is just a matter of perspective. She appears to be taller than him, which doesn’t help. Look at the feet, and it will give a better idea of their relative positions.
You are bad at looking.
and depth perception
Hey, his rangefinder probably told him they were both about a foot in front of his face…
Reliability and accuracy at half the price for something comparable in a 1911…and twice the ammo….yes I went there.
Actually I hate the looks but it points where I want bullets to go…
Because Hillary Clinton lost her Presidential bid!
Good reason, I bought a CZ P-07 to celebrate Hillary being thrown onto the ash heap of history.
I carried and competed with my G17 for a bit over 20 years. It always ran and still does.
It’s got close to a hundred thousand rounds through it. I’ve noticed it doesn’t group so well anymore so it’s just a truck gun now.
Sounds like it’s about time to replace the barrel.
Because it works for you.
In general terms, they’re simple, reliable, handle recoil well, pretty accurate and don’t cost a huge amount.
I’ve got four and have no problems with them. I don’t carry any of them anymore as my EDC but I never had any concerns about them when I did.
Your a cop?
Your not allowed to buy your own gun?
You thought Frankenstein was sexy?
I wish we could get “limp wristing” out of the lexicon. Guns run, or they don’t.
If you accept a gun that’ll only run when you don’t “limp wrist”, what happens when you’re in a defensive situation and the conditions are such you can’t get a good, solid grip on the gun? Or heaven forbid you’re injured?
All my defensive guns run 100% shooting weak hand only, elbow bent, wrist relaxed – that’s one of my “acceptance tests”. They’ll just about hit me in the face when I run the test, but they run 100%. If they don’t, they get fixed.
O2
Ps. I’m a Glock fanboy, even. My 19 runs doing the above.
I have been able to make Glocks stovepipe by gripping them sideways and letting my wrist twist when it fires. It’s not easy, but it can be done.
If that’s your criteria, then just put in a weaker recoil spring, but then if you do have anything resembling a firm grip, the recoil will be worse, and it will take longer to get your sights back on target.
it’s no revolver, the only time I got a malfunction out of my glocks was by purposely holding it so loose that I almost dropped it. However an older lady at the range the other day was having multiple malfunctions with her glock 19. She could not get a good grip on its and was shooting some +p out of it.
I like the fact that it breaks down quickly with no tools needed. On a very rare occasion I am forced to go into a criminal protection zone I break it down and take the a few parts with me. If someone breaks into my car they will not get an operating firearm.
Hate to sound like a parrot, but reliability, weight, accuracy, carry comfort, simplicity, and reliability.
Don’t like the trigger ? Dry fire, padawan, dry fire !
I vote for reliability as well. My Gen-2 G19 has taken every kind of ammo I’ve put through it – everything from IMI 158 grain subsonics, to aluminum cased Blazer FMJ’s, to military surplus, to Hydra Shocks, and anything in between. Never a jam, misfeed, misfire, or FTE. The only thing I don’t like is the fact that the factory barrel won’t safely take cast bullet handloads, and I am seriously considering buying an aftermarket barrel to remedy that shortcoming…
The only reason I sometimes do is no one else makes a fairly light, polymer frame, compact 10mm yet.
Why write an article just to divide your web viewers? There is passion on both sides.
I don’t get the passion anymore, its like fanboism, console wars, etc. Its not like politics where the other side is trying to vote you out of your livelyhood. Glocks, 1911s, sigs, hi-points, who cares, carry what you fancy -.- there shouldn’t be any division of users…
Agreed. I enjoy weighing the pros and cons of different platforms, the only thing I have a problem with are the guys who say you MUST have a glock, or you MUST have a 1911 or else you are a fool. That is demonstrably untrue.
SBAGS clickbait…you must be new here.
If RF doesn’t pose a question in controversial way there will not be many clicks. If there are not many clicks, RF can’t pay his writers, IT costs, and favorite charities.
I find more than odd that the reliability of Glocks is rhetorically called into question because Liberté was holding her pistol wrong. And I would assert that a 1911 stove pipe is usually caused in part by an over-yielding forearm/wrist.
I watched the superbowl, cheering for the Patriots through thick and thin. It was painful for three quarters, but the ending was unbelievable. Well, that was more interesting the Glock-owner goading…..
My Glock 19 Gen 4 has between 1000-1200 rounds through it, with one malfunction (FTE or FTF IIRC) having occurred. I’ve owned it for just over 3 years and have had no complaints. There is wide support for Glocks: Holsters, threaded barrels, and sundry other after-market parts. It points and shoots well for me, it’s eaten all I’ve fed it, and it disappears well enough on my person.
For me, these are reasons enough.
As mentioned ’cause they hold more than a 1911 and weigh less. Because you like GLOCKS…
Best reason for carrying a Glock? I loaned my Ruger to a pal going to the range.
At least you were considerate giving your friend the better gun.
It’s cheap. It’s reliable. It’s durable. It’s ubiquitous. The same applies to all its parts, including magazines. And if you absolutely have to mess with it, its after-market dwarfs everything outside of the AR and complete disassembly/reassembly is just about idiot-proof.
Because the Hi Point is out being cerakoted?
You have no imagination and haven’t taken the time to do any research. Plus, when you tell people who aren’t “into” guns that you carry a Glock, they all will think you’re cool.
G19 is comfortable, fills out my hand, and, slide & buttons & levers move easy. 115gr hollow points makes for a soft shooter that can be wielded easily in one hand. No thumb safety. I’ve flicked a few safeties that are so small and stiff that its a blatant liability and likely to get the user killed.
Other thoughts: The parts break down without needing strength like Hafþór Björnsson or a vice & pry-bar. No frills, nothing sticking off the side of the weapon, no stuff to snag. Glocks also don’t seem to be too finicky about ammo either. 9MM while can’t be attributed to Glocks, is cheap and plentiful.
One of my biggest sidebar reasons is that Glocks are ignorant user friendly. Someone else can pick it up and pull the trigger and get results without having a clue on how to use it. Ideal if the owner gets shot for whatever reason and other family members decide its a wonderful time to learn how to use a pistol.
In short, its what works for me, others might like an oldschool Luger pistol, or even a snubnose…
The best reason to carry a Glock is the same reason people ride Harleys. It means you are a conformist who who is afraid to make an independent appraisal and trusts the word of others.
Or you shot one and found it works for you.
Was this Harley parked when you shot it or was it rolling down the road?
this sidebar seems very familiar.
I was aiming at a Prius but I hit the Harley because I was using a Cobra .380.
It worked for me, so I’ve just been shooting non-ricer bikes since. However, I usually don’t use a Glock to do that. I prefer the Makarov because Makarov Motorcycle Murder just sounds so damn good rolling off the tongue.
The Glock is typically the lightest pistol in its class, and has a good size / capacity ratio. There are more aftermarket parts / accessories / holsters for the Glock than any other pistol except the 1911. Glocks eat JHPs better than 1911s. The generous chamber of the Glock makes it run cheap and dirty ammo. The Glock 23 is a prepper’s dream – you can run 9mm with just a mag and barrel switch and spare parts are everywhere. Or you can be one of a dozen .357 Sig fans with just a barrel swap. The finish is tough and corrosion resistant. You can put Glock mags in a number of pistol caliber carbines or add a Mech Tech upper for even more fun. Glocks can take a beating and are fine with minimal maintenance. Glock knows how to throw a party and Michelle Viscuzi is a pretty good shooter as well as smokin’ hot.
Then there’s the downsides. Glicks aren’t that good in factory form. The recoil spring / guide rod is virtually a mandatory upgrade. I like stainless but tungsten is also nice. The trigger is ok, with an excellent reset. Polygonal rifling is tough, but I’d rather have a stainless barrel with standard rifling. You’ll get better accuracy and velocity. Glock plastic sights are mediocre, and the factory night sights are inferior to Trijicon and Meprolight. The trigger guard could really use an undercut. The little nubby takedown bar also begs for an upgrade. Glock smile. The frame has more flex than M&Ps and XDs. And it ain’t pretty. Shoot 35k rounds through a .40 and you might just have a shot out piece of junk that isn’t worth fixing. I did that to a Gen 3, and I don’t think anyone here wants to buy that gun.
Personally, I think every gun connoisseur should own one at least one Glock. The 19 hits a lot of sweet spots, and the 23 is even bettter if you aren’t afraid of mods and barrel swaps. Glock has helped keep the 10mm alive, and a Glock 10mm can eat full power .40 Smith 180 grain rounds all day long.
Glocks aren’t perfect, but “perfect” guns (STI, Wilson Combat, Smith Performance Center, Sig X series, custom builds) cost a whole lot more.
Quite possibly the most comprehensive and realistic reasons to carry a Glock.
Thank you, sir.
I agree that the G19 is about the most universal handgun out there today. It’s the right size, right price, right “feel” for lots of people.
It could be $100 cheaper, tho.
But it comes standard with a polygonal barrel. That’s something no one mentions when comparing it to other guns.
Kahr charges $100 more for their polygonal rifling.
Many of us consider that a deficit, not a bonus.
Time for me to swoop in and say that the old man is an idiot for not making a pistol carbine.
Is he afraid to hire all the extra people that it would take to count all the extra money coming in?
Pistol carbines are great for people who have run out of things to waste money on.
The problem with semi-auto pistol caliber carbines is that the stubby cartridges can’t really use much more than 6″ of barrel. 9mm+p only gets you somewhere around 500ft/lbs of energy out of a 16″ barrel, maybe 20% or so more than a 4″. And if they did perform better the low SD bullets would turn into frangible am mo. A 10mm semi-auto carbine however would be interesting. Although I don’t think the 10 would gain quite as much from the extra barrel as the .357 gets do to it’s smaller case capacity. Still should rival a 5.56 SBR at close range though.
Not to insult you but just to give you some info that will actually make you feel better. Meprolight makes the Glock factory night sights. And everyone I am aware of in the industry that manufactures night sights only builds the chassis, they all get the tritium vials from Trijicon. In other words one set cannot be brighter than the other given the same color and diameter because they are all made by the same company Trijicon. I have both and I can see no difference between them at all.
Mag capacity, size, weight, and it works.
Nothing you listed is a reason to carry a Glock specially. All those characteristics are true of most other polymer guns.
Polymer dovetail protectors.
Yes, most of what he said is true of most Glock CLONES….
Best reason to carry a Glock: you are a local LEO, don’t like guns, and Glock got the contract by massively underbidding everyone else for the contract.
For anyone else there is no good reason to carry the ergonomic monstrosity from Austria.
Ergonomics is a very personal thing.
As of last September I have almost no right index finger (I removed said finger in accident involving a circular saw, no this is not a joke or garbage comment and if asked will provide pics to prove it tell me where to send them) and hence have become sort of informed on limp wristing a hand gun ever since I got back on the range.
In my experience (about 1500-2000 rounds of 9mm and .45 since the accident) assuming the ammunition does its job (I’m shooting reloads for range ammunition and have had about a dozen primers fail) the Glock will do its job and cycle correctly. So I’m not really sure what the author is talking about with a sliced hand causing malfunctions.
As for me I carry a Glock 17 because it’s my old dut weapon, it’s ultra reliable and has excellent after market support, my range gun is a Glock 21 because well it’s cheaper to shoot (I cast my own bullets so those are basically free after the hardware and a after market barrel).
The best reson for me would be it’s the only working firearm left on the plant. That would be the ONLY reason I would carry one.
“Just one word. . . . Plastics.”
— The Graduate (1967)
Well played, sir. Well played!
….and two more words, Mrs. Robinson. Ah, to be twenty-one again.
My belief is that every household should own a glock in a common caliber an ar15 and a weapon for hunting. And then conceal carry whatever you are comfortable with, a 1911, revolver etc… it has taken me some time to shoot my G19 well and would never give it up as my end of the world sidearm.
My son was given a 1911 from Springfield Armory, I can absolutely drive nails with it quickly. So why not own both? Both are great weapons and have no issues with either.
When my life may be on the line I’m looking for a tool, not a gimmick, gimme a Glock.
Parts commonality. Thats it. There is nothing that makes Glock better than other guns anymore. 15 years ago it would probably have superior reliability but now what Springfield XD, M&P, or any other multitude of polymer wonder guns won’t give the same level of reliability?
The best reason to carry a Glock is when I can’t OC my 1911. IWB at the appendix position is much more comfortable with my Glock 30 versus the 1911. And in that position, concealed means concealed. I carried for years CC wearing at times nothing but a T-shirt and shorts and no one knew I was carrying unless I told them.
Reasons I recommend Glocks to beginners…
Reliability
Toughness
Cost
Availability of spare parts and enhancement accessories
The trigger, while firmly in the OK category, is the same every pull and has very tactile release and reset points
Availability and price of good holsters
No manual safety
Reasons I recommend getting rid of Glocks once a shooter becomes immersed in the gun culture, becomes more proficient and better trained, and tries out a few guns of friends.
You can sell a used Glock for around $400 which is a good return on a gun bought new at just over $500 out-the-door
Many other handguns have better triggers
Many people (me included) just don’t fit the square grip or grip angle that requires an uncomfortable wrist angle.
In other words, a newly minted gun person is served well with a Glock to learn and protect themselves until such time that they familiarize themselves with better options (HK, SIG, SW, etc.)
To help to settle all the lawsuits filed against Glock.
Because you never know when you may want a throw-down gun?
Randbo has the best answer so far
A Glock is little more than a $100 handgun with a $400 warranty/ legal retainer added to the price tag.
Let’s see…
… You have a mental disorder.
… You’ve never shot a gun with a well designed trigger.
… You think ergonomics has something to do with low prices.
It came free with your car.
You got tired of waiting for the CZ P-10 C to ship.
SSA-E 3.5lb trigger in my supersniperriffleraffle, Glock trigger is fine out of the box, it IS a pistol afterall..
Then again, I’m used to 6-8lb government triggers thanks to the .gov, a 3.5lb is like a hair to me…
Best reason to carry a Clock is to know what time it is! Do i win a prize?
Um wait, what was the question? Never mind.
[/Gilda Radner mode off]
Best reason to buy a Glock?
Well, if you’re in law enforcement, the reasons are obvious: Glock will give you a really cut rate on their products, and then supply buxom females wearing nothing but body glitter to explain the features of the gun to you in loving detail, and who will allow you to do lines of Peruvian Marching Dust off their taut tummies while they’re demonstrating how easy it is to clean the gun after a test firing session.
If you’re not a LEO, then the reason to buy a Glock is because you like paying far more for a gun than it’ll ever be worth, and enriching an Austrian family with world-class grifting values to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Now, a more jejune reason to buy a Glock is because they work. But there’s plenty of guns that work, so just shopping for a gun that works is a necessary, but not sufficient, reason to buy a Glock over any of the other striker-fired plastic pistols.
You can’t “limp wrist” a handgun. You can only improperly grip one. If the webbing of your thumb is snug against the beavertail, the gun will cycle properly.
It has nothing to do with grip strength. It has everything to do with placement.
Notice in this video that MattV2099 can only cause a failure when he slides his hand lower on the grip.
I have fired my glock without gripping it at all and it cycled. The reason was, my thumb was up against the beavertail. I held the gun with my trigger finger and my thumb without wrapping any more fingers around the grip.
https://youtu.be/UZiFRYVWP90
Maybe you can’t, but some of us can.
Back when I owned a Glock (i.e. before I knew much about guns), I was exaggerating the effect of the recoil and caused it to happen. I then kept trying, and was able to reproduce it almost every time, even with a proper grip. If I lacked wrist strength, I could see it happening unintentionally.
Well if you are pulling back on the gun when you press the trigger then of course you are upsetting the momentum needed to cycle the gun. That’s not a Glock specific issue as so many gun “experts” claim.
And weak wrists have nothing to do with it. If you have bones in your forearm and hand then all you need is a properly positioned grip and the gun will cycle.
I beg to differ, from having trained dozens of people to shoot with my G19, or their brand-new Glock (in their choice of chambering, usually 9×19 or .40 S&W).
There are two types of people I’ve noticed who tend to make a Glock FTE due to insufficient slide recoil excursion:
1. People with very fleshy hands who don’t grip the gun tightly.
2. People who have little wrist strength, and as the gun empties, it tends to give the user more muzzle flip.
Their grip, as you point out, is a factor, but for some people who lack strength or muscle tone in their wrist or forearms, the gun will flip more, resulting in more FTE’s or stovepipes, than someone with better muscle tone in their forearm, and in a Glock this becomes more pronounced as the magazine empties.
This can be a problem with nearly all recoil-operated handgun actions; if the mass of the gun is reduced significantly, then the only thing the gun has to recoil against is your hand. I’ve seen even 9mm 1911’s with aluminum frames and lightening cuts develop the same sorts of problems. It’s simply an issue of lack of mass in the handgun itself.
I know you don’t like lights, but I do. Especially for patrolling LA streets at night. Anyways, lights and stainless recoil springs / guide rods are a good way to add weight up front. Having weight in the right place is a wonderful thing.
Yes, nicely converted into physical causations, DG. Much better than claims of magical powers for one make or another. Certainly stove pipes in aluminum framed 1911s can be induced by the combination of a weak low-muscle-toned forearm and a flinch.
People have a thing for 1911s. It’s an aesthetic, not a combat/duty measure but something cultural. Many people (cough RF cough) think for example that a Wilson 1911 or similar looks good, and signals taste in handguns. Personally I think my deeply blued Model 41 with true well-shaped wooden grips (not just a flat slab of wood…) is a much more handsome barbecue gun than any Wilson. And if trouble arises, it’s simple enough to pull my G19 from its discrete cover.
I can 80% one.
Glock because if it goes in the evidence locker at the cop shop you’ve lost nothing of real value.
Don’t get me wrong. Glocks work. But they are soulless, classless bricks that go boom.
They aren’t really for “gun” people. They’re just a bland tool for the masses. And the masses deserve a decent tool to defend themselves with. The Glock is priced so that even people on a tight budget can get one.
They are the one and done gun.
If I ever need to perforate some piece of scum, I can think of no more appropriate instrument than a soulless, classless brick that goes boom.
That’s all I need. A simple tool that does its job. I have some nice guns, some fun guns, some precision guns, some beautiful guns. The thugs of the world deserve none of that.
Glocks aside, I can’t wrap my head around putting knives in the sink- my wife does it all the time, no matter how many times I tell her it could cause an “I-forgot-there-was-a-knife-in-the-kitchen-sink bloodbath.” I’ve given up telling her, I just have to be very careful washing dishes.
Back to glocks, the best reason to carry one is you don’t have to think about it. If you like them, that’s great, but if you view guns as tools or appliances, they will still work without complaint.
Be happy you have relatively new and sharp knives! I can grab pretty much any knife in the kitchen by the blade and it won’t cut my hand unless I squeeze the piss out of it.
After Boberg make no double stacks and no 10mm for the moment my glock 29 sf is the best compromiss if power goes hand in hand white double stack.
Same for my glock 30 sf 460 rowland convertion.
I would pay more as for the glock”s if boberg bring this on market !
What’s the best reason to carry a Glock ( 10mm ) ?
Because sometimes I don’t want to carry my Springfield XDM 40, M&P 40, Beretta 92A1, Kimber TLE II, S&W Model 686, or 629.
The model 500 weighs 5 lbs loaded so f**k that.
because the LGS was out of CZs? 😀
Nah…a good store can always order a CZ for you, or put you on the waitlist when they announce the new ones.
Damn
What’s a GLOCK?
Because it’s mine.
Goes bang every time.
They are reasonably reliable. They are reasonably accuate. They are reasonably priced.
It’s poetic!
Now I lay me down to sleep,
Beside my head a Glock I keep,
If I wake and to find you’re inside
a coroners van will be your next ride.
Because showing an expensive, pretty gun to a dirt bag wont save my life. But using my G19 for “behavior modification” will. As John Wayne put it “some people just need shootin.”
Teaching without eye protection in the above pic? I’m telling daddy!
Because the numbering system is SOOOO logical.
I dodged owning a Glock for a long time. I then became the owner of a G20SF lol and the rest is history. 10mm, 9×25 Dillon, 357 Sig and 40 SW out of the same gun with just a barrel swap????? It is my favorite pistol.
A gun is like a woman. You get what you marry! A gorgeous high maintenance woman is fun to look at, but a plain looking absolutely reliable woman is my preference.
1) I shoot my G19 better than any other pistol I have owned short of my 1911s
2) It conceals well on my body
3) cheap so if it gets stolen/breaks/taken as evidence after a DGU I’m not up a creek trying to replace it.
4) it’s ugly so I don’t care that it has holster wear/ other cosmetic blemishes, it’s a tool
5) most importantly though, see #1
That dude in the picture. He got a gun in his pocket or is he just happy to be there?
Given that they are at a range and its Liberte I could believe either or both. Honestly, I am debating if he has folded sbr or a cat in his kangaroo pouch 🙂
I own Glocks because….I like them. They are reliable, fit my hand well, don’t cost an arm and a leg, tons of aftermarket support, etc., etc. Plus, being an adult, I don’t give a shit what anyone else think about my choice of firearm.
Just went outside and conducted a test of my Gen 3 Glock 19.
I held so far down on the grip that any farther then I couldn’t reach the trigger.
I also positioned my forearm parallel to the grip rather than perpendicular so no force whatsoever was absorbed by my arm.
I shot five left hand “limp wrist” with no failures.
I shot five strong hand “limp wrist” and had one FTE, was hit in the forehead with brass once, and the slide failed to lock after the last round.
I finished with five slow fire two hand shots then five rapid fire two hand shots. Of course with no issues.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0r9vfa3x6mk8j7/20170205_210123.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/urhf4aqgw9u4z9v/20170205_211629.jpg?dl=0
Ok, I went to the dark side years ago and picked up my railroad tie with grip aka, my G21.
It’s big, thick,and pistol whipping approved if needed. It shoots everything I’ve run through it. Even a Mag of Milsurp .45 Ball from the Korean War Era.
It’s ugly. But works. I can rinse it off with a garden hose, and dishwasher and shower approved.
I celebrate a vast diversity with pistols, but the big ugly G21 is a proud part of the family.
Why would anyone carry a Glock when there are so many better options out there?
Name one.
Seriously. There are comparable options but saying better is a strong declaration considering this better option isn’t obvious.
Full disclosure : I’m not a “fanboy”. I only own a Glock today because when I had a chance to buy my first gun, I couldn’t afford the FNS9 Stainless model. Then a brand new $400 Glock 19 fell into my lap. The only reason I adamantly argue the virtues of the G19 is because the counter arguments are bullshit.
My son will be 21 on the 16th. I’m buying his first gun for his birthday. He is going to decide what he wants and right now, the Glock is not at the top of his list. And he likes my Glock. I’m not pushing it on him and when he chooses a Sig P320 c, I will proudly and confidently give it to him (even though Sig can’t color match the slide and frame for some reason).
Sig, CZ, Ruger, Beretta, HK… Shall I continue? Because I can.
You just named a few manufacturers. They each make very different guns. Which gun is better than a Glock 19 overall? And why is that gun not touted as such?
Sig what? I like the P320 for the better trigger than a Glock but overall it isn’t better. Reliability? Yet to be proven.
HK what? I like the VP9 for the grip but I don’t like the paddle mag release or the undetectable reset.
Ruger what? American Pistol? It is 5 oz. heavier than a Glock 19 yet shorter grip and holds 3 less rounds. It’s ambidextrous, but, so is my Glock. You just use your left index finger instead of your thumb. Lefties have done this for years. No trigger pull for takedown. I know this is a big deal to a lot of squeamish people out there. The guy dumb enough to attempt to clean a loaded gun is dumb enough to have a negligent discharge doing just about anything with a Ruger. When we allow technology to compensate for unsafe practices, we get more complacent. Then we demand more safety nets and the cycle continues. Or, we can be 100% responsible. You should be nervous about pulling that trigger. Fear is good. Makes you think “is this gun clear?” Lock the slide back. Run a pipe cleaner through the chamber and out the barrel. No mag inserted. Point the gun at that old sofa and break the trigger. Do you people never dry practice with your “safer” guns?
There are very excellent defensive carry pistols and no one has to own a Glock. But overall, it is everything JWT said. Better for you doesn’t mean better for me, and vise versa.
What’s in your holster?
Glocks are accurate, reliable, and durable. They are fast to the first shot (no long DAs or manual safeties). They also point well, when the shooter commits to training with them.
Carrying a gun because it is pretty is, in the words of a famous San Francisco detective, “a hell of a price to pay for being stylish.”
Harry was talking about his partners high heel shoes. But don’t tell Ralph. He’ll be inconsolable.
The hardest part about carrying a glock is telling everyone you’re gay.
*Calm down I’m just kidding :p
Personal experience?
When it’s all your department has authorized?
Glocks don’t look half bad. There’s plenty other pistols that have the looks only a manufacturer could love
Sigs are not particularly pleasing to my eye.
And what’s the deal with the P320 with FDE frame and Coyote Tan slide? Some one tell them that’s not the same color.
All this raving about glocks makes me want to go out and find one, call it a Sigma/SD VE, and pay 150.00 less.
My son-in-law’s raving about his optioned up Glock 19 caused me to look closely. However, it caused me to buy a SD9VE for $200 less money that shoots as well and is the same size and weight of the Glock 19 (and it looks better).
My first handgun was the S&S SDVE9. I only shoot about 800 rnds thru it, and it shot just as well as the G19 i recently bought to replace it. And the only reason I did go to a Glock was that I wanted to have the option of getting an aftermarket threaded barrel, which is not an option for the SDVE series of Smith’s. And I did not go with the M&P 9mm because I got a better price on the G19 at my local shop than on the M&P, and because you can find aftermarket Glock barrels for about 100 when they go on sale.
That’s my story and i’m sticking to it.
And I could care less what it looks like; who the hell sees it under my shirt in a IWB holster anyways? And if you can discreetly carry a 1911, good for you, I personally don’t think i could properly hide one on my person.
Oh Heck, forget the Glock, I am quicker on target with a DAO 3″ S&W mdl. 13 in .357 mag!
The latest Glock model was recalled this summer , oops I mean UPGRADE because we are all too stupid to know they are one and the same. THE REASON; SAME PROBLEM Glock has had for years. A hard drop and the slide falls off the plasticky frame when it flexes on impact. Glock went through 3 modifications of the slide rails and this time proves they still did not get it right.
THROATING; If you want to experience the thrill of a handgun blowing up in you face the Glock is the one that will give this thrill to you. It can and does fire out of battery. Doubt my word, take a primed case without powder or bullet and let the slide run “almost” closed and then pull the trigger. It will occasionally fire right off. Not every time depending on how far the slide is still open and depending on the sensitivity and the hardness of the primer but yes it does happen. Just be glad you did not try it with a loaded round unless you want to blow yourself up. All this means that a dirty Glock that has its slide not fully close when shooting it could just result in it going ATOMIC on you.
Check out the underside of the slide. You will find an open channel that the striker rides in. Perfect for letting in dirt, burnt power or excess lube.
Check out the bottom of the grip and see the hole that leads right to the inner sanctum of the guns guts, perfect for letting in dust and dirt under combat conditions.
Check on the anemic ignition system and compare it to a hammer fired gun like the Beretta 92. Pre-loaded striker fired systems have extremely weak ignition systems. Seat a high primer in a case, no powder and no bullet. Try and set it off. It will not happen people. Now try the same test with the bone crushing blow of the hammer fired Beretta 92, it will drive the primer to the bottom of its socket and still have enough energy to set it off each and every time no matter how hard the primer is. Now that is reliability.
Try carrying a Glock in your coat pocket without a holster (empty of course unless you plan on committing suicide) and see how long it takes of the guns striker to trip off because there is no manual safety. Recently I saw an off duty cop from Columbus Ohio in a security video. He was on an elevator with his wife and attempted to take the Glock out of one pocket and put it in the opposite coat pocket and as you may have guessed the safety less Glock fired right off and he shot himself. I could give you add infinitum of similar accidents, many with Police Officers but why repeat the same story over and over again.
Glock factory plasticky sights are pure junk and will break off or wear down with too many holster presentation unless the holster has a sight track.
No way to un-cock the Glock unless you take the round out of the chamber first.
No easily visible loaded chamber indicator and no the extractor sticking out 1/32 of an inch just does not get it.
Take down system is an accident waiting to happen. Just forget just one time not to check the chamber and you must pull the trigger to take it down. Even Tarzan’s Cheetah the Monkey could have designed a safer take down system. Compare that to the Beretta 92 that makes you lock the slide open which would eject any loaded round you forgot to take out of the gun.
And lets not forget the wonderful trigger pull on Glocks, its so long and creepy that even Nostradamus could not predict exactly when it will go off.
And last but not least we can discuss the beauty of the Glock in all its Plasticky splendor. Yes Herr Glock finally did achieve something that was unbeatable, he designed the most ugly pistol in the history of the world, that is until people like Sig came out with the Model 320 but that is another disaster of a story still to be told fully when the Morons of the U.S. Military get egg on their face for adopting such a piece of Sh**.
someone is mad their gun is sh!tty LOLLLL
you’re prolly the type of guy who spent so much money on other crap handguns and refuse to buy a glock while glock owners are much happier than your 5+ useless hunks of crap LOL
Don’t like ’em, won’t use ’em. See too many issues with them.
so you can end some crap someone else started.
Start of article is worthless. Saying that the gun fails after every shot and then saying it was operator error is basically just trolling the readers. I’d rather hear about the actual function of the gun over some dumb ass cutting their hand in a dish washing accident.
It would be like saying, “My 1911 wouldn’t fire once yesterday, so terrible. Oh, did I mention that I was trying to pull the trigger with my cock on each shot?”
Sig and H&K make a more robust platform,
yea but they have too much junk on it that gets in the way.
Here goes, I am ready for the incoming flames:
If you have one or just a couple handguns, and not a whole collection, a Glock is probably the best gun you can choose.
Why? Because they have great 1st party support (they’ll fix your gun if its a lemon, 1st party magazines and replacement parts are pretty much the cheapest in the industry), the best 3rd party support in the industry (more mods and accessories than any other brand and usually at lower prices), and the best online community resources in the industry (you can post your questions in 1 of several online forums and get knowledgable answers from people who have seen that issue with your exact model a million times and know exactly what to do).
In addition, Glocks are as reliable and durable as any other gun, are as accurate as the most accurate service pistols, are pretty much the lightest handguns in their respective form factors and calibers without obvious sacrifice to their other performance characteristics, and are available in a wider variety of form factors and calibers than any other gun.
If you want a gun that just works, that works -well-, that you will be able to quickly troubleshoot, that will be cheap to maintain and personalize/accessorize, a Glock is a great choice.
That’s not to say that it doesn’t have weaknesses or that there aren’t other great guns. Its just that the Glock is a particularly compelling combination of features and performance attributes.
For me owning a Glock is like owning an Apple. Do Apple computers or iPhones have the very longest battery life, are they the very thinnest and lightest, are they the fastest? No, but they have a particularly compelling combination of those attributes- longer battery life and faster than anything that matches their impressive thinness, for example- as well as by far the best combination of 1st party, 3rd party, and community support.
It’s the only gat you got? It’s a great starter gun as the aftermarket for them can net you literally any part on the gun. Which is pretty sweet.
The best reason for me, personally, to carry a Glock is that although I used to turn my nose up at Glock in favor of 1911 platforms, SIG P series, CZ75 variants, etc it turns out that I can place first shot from the holster and subsequent shots on target faster with a Glock 9mm than with any other gun and cartridge combo. I have determined this through head to head timed tests at home, and through IDPA results.
What turned the corner for me, with regard to the Glock grip angle I had so disliked, was when I read an article about the Colt 1911 being designed to paint naturally for an old American boxing four knuckle punch angle, and the Glock being designed to point naturally for a Japanese top two knuckle punch angle.
Having practiced kempo for a time, I threw a straight kempo right with Glock in hand and saw that I was in fact just about perfectly aligned on target.
Other reasons to carry a Glock:
– Other people’s limp-wristing aside, I have never had a reliability issue with any of my Glocks. I cannot say the same for my Baer; Colt; SIG; even Walther. (But I could say the same formDan Wesson, CZ, S&W, and HK pistols, though… Most reputable carry guns are really pretty reliable.)
– The 9mm/.40 frame at 1.18″ wide it is pretty similar to a 1911 in thickness – the 10mm/.45 frames are noticeably thicker, but the 9mm/.40 is a pretty easy IWB.
– The design is very simple, and easy to modify if the owner is so inclined. My Glocks have NYPD 8lb triggers with OEM 3.5 connectors, yielding a smooth breaking, fast resetting 6lb trigger; they also have Wilson/Vickers green FO front / plain serrated rear sight setups.
– Aftermarket parts and support equipment are abundant and inexpensive.
– Tennifer finish is extremely durable and corrosion resistant.
– Reputable smiths can reconfigure the grip and frame, within limits. I have one at Bowie Tactical Concepts and one at ColdBore Custom as I type this. Among other things, both are getting triggerguard radiused undercuts, to allow an even higher grip, but –
– Even in stock configuration, Glocks have one of the lowest bore axes out there.
– G17 mags work as spares for my 17s, 19s, and 26.
– I have not bought a SIRT yet, but intend to, and the SIRT is a close analog to a G17.
For comparison, semiautos I own or have owned:
SIG Sauer; Les Baer; Dan Wesson; Fusion; Beretta; Colt; S&W; CZ; FNH; HK. Some of those guns I had modified by the Sig Armorer; Cajun Gun Works; CZ Custom Shop; Novak.
And I shoot Glocks faster. And if I lose one to an evidence locker after an SD incident, I am out a lot less money and I can replace the thing easily.
Other than that, I can’t think of a reason to carry a Glock….
I’ve carried the same G26 9mm GLOCK as my everyday carry gun since 2012. All the pluses have already been mentioned by others.
There are some legitimate criticisms, like having to pull the trigger to disassemble it. However, most criticisms are really just expressions of personal preferences, or worse, repetition of contrarian Internet nonsense by people who’ve never even actually fired a GLOCK.
Don’t buy it if you don’t like it, but do quit making stuff up about it.
pulling the trigger to disassemble is a negative?
…
…..how????
Natural selection
The idea is that requiring the trigger to be pulled before every field strip increases the change of a negligent discharge versus guns that do not require the trigger to be pulled in order to field strip.
But I mean… don’t all SA and DA/SA guns need to have their hammers dropped somehow, and for guns that’s don’t have a decocker, doesn’t that mean doing something equally or more risky than the Glock? Take the Official Gun of Internet Nerds, the CZ-75, as an example: You can either safety check the gun and then pull the trigger, or you can VERY CAREFULLY manually drop the hammer and even if there’s a round in the chamber it shouldn’t go off… if your hand doesn’t slip.
To me, having to go through that isn’t any less conducive to NDs than the Glock situation. And that applies to pretty much all hammer fired guns without decocking levers. CZ-75s, Browning Hi-Powers, 1911s, and many more.
I have seen some pretty horrific pictures of people who have accidentally shot themselves with Glocks when trying to take them apart. No one is immune from making a mistake and with the Glock you get no second chance. Contrast this to say the Beretta 92 that makes you lock the slide back to disassemble it. If it is loaded the loaded round comes flying out of the gun but with the Glock you shoot yourself. I have read where Glock has paid off lawsuits without even going to court.
GLOCK 19 is arguably the best handgun in the world.
i don’t know what this entire comment section is wasting their breath about.
GLOCK 19 is arguably the best handgun in the world.
i don’t know what this entire comment section is wasting their breath about.
GLOCK 19 + trijicon night sights + 3.5 connector = better than all your sh!tty handguns.
Best reason to carry a Glock – if you want to miss your attacker low and left.
Best reason not to carry a Glock – S&W M&P Shield in any caliber.
this is such a tired argument. Tim from MAC says it best ” if the gun demands that you hold it a specific way for it to function properly, THAT IS A DESIGN FLAW IN THE GUN”
any other type of gun, 1911, sig, beretta, can all be fired limp wristed and never miss a beat.
The 26.
The others have caught up (and perhaps passed…) Gaston’s Glorious Gat in the larger offerings, but for a “full size” gun, the 26 is still the smallest one out there.
And it’s not unlikely to remain that way. The weirdo grip angle has the somewhat surprising effect of rendering the pinky largely irrelevant as far as grip control is concerned. On larger guns, no pinky greatly harms recoil control. On a Glock, it’s barely noticeable, at least in 9mm.
GLOCKs were revolutionary when they first came out, but there are now tons of models out that are just as good, and in many ways better. I owe no loyalty to the OG brand.
I bought a 19 back in the day, and quickly traded it for an XD9SC. The XD just works for me so much better, and I love the extra features that the GLOCK fanbois poo-poo; The take down lever, the grip safety, and chambered and cocked indicators.
If I could remove anything, it would be the GLOCK style trigger-safety. Why do I need a safety switch on top of my safety switch? I’d rather just have a grip safety and the one or two braincells necessary to keep my trigger finger outside the guard.
If your a snowflake, and you can’t hang on to a steel gun ??????
Apparently it’s the polymer guns people have trouble managing.
In a world of Plastic………….some don’t !
Glock?
You mean someone actually owns one of those ugly things?
To ask TTAG readers “which gun is best?” is to essentially drop a honey badger into a tank of hungry piranhas.
It is really only fun for the observer who really just doesn’t give a sh**.
My AR looks like shit too.But when I press the trigger it go bang.Same for my glock,I like it enough that I even clean it every thousand rounds.I been using the same hammer for 30 yrs.,looks like shit,still pounds nails.If it is confiscated after a legal shooting,no great loss,its just a glock.I can afford another.Don’t be a fool its just a tool.Why if it’s so bad every other company or so seems to copy it.
You can’t afford a P7M8……
Reason to carry a Glock, never seen one not go bang for 20 or 30 years…but then I tried shooting one off a rest with one hand. Just as you describe plus some others, Would not go all the way into battery, stove pipe jams, failure to eject and failure to load a new round. Makes me wonder/re-think about carrying one or relying on one in a desperate situation with one hand/arm out of action. The other reason not to carry one is that I have found 3 other guns that I think are better carry options for various reasons including safer with one in the pipe, restrike capable and for 2 out of the 3, smaller than any Glock. S&W 380 Bodyguard, Sig P250 and Sig P290RS.
“Failure to go into battery”, “Stove pipe jams”, “Failure to eject”, “Failure to load a new round”.
Do you really need any more reasons to not rely on it?
My wheel guns have never, nor ever will have any of these problems, but of coarse you are limited to 5, or 6 rounds, unless you carry a couple of speed loaders, which I do.
To each his own!
My reasonably new 442 seized up on me not too long ago. Turned out a spring broke, binding cylinder and trigger return.
A bit later, one of my 1911s seized. Turned out the lug holding the swinging link had sheared off from the barrel due to a defective factory weld (Storm Lake barrel in a Caspian build).
ALL things can break, even revolvers and all steel guns.
You are dead (I hope not) right!
However, there are more things to break on an autoloader.
Not necessarily. The lockwork in a revolver has small parts that can break or wear out, resulting in anything from slightly out of time – working but shaving lead or copper at the forcing cone – to complete failure.
The mighty N-frame is susceptible to timing issues if fired in DA over time, due to cylinder mass vs small paul.
The normal mechanical failures in autos are magazine and recoil spring issues.
Modern autos are less mechanically complex than revolvers.
The big advantage to the revolver is it is much less vulnerable to ammunition issues. That said, a squib will ruin any gun’s day.
The latest pre-loaded striker fired pistol accident was where the pro-gun woman carrying one on her did not see her toddler (in his car seat) reach forward and pull her safety-less gun out of its holster and then shoot her in the back. Without a grip or manual safety and with the single action short stroke trigger the gun is going to go off even in a toddlers hands.
The other one that comes to mind is the woman who was shopping with her two year old. The two year old reached into her purse pulled out her gun and before she could get the gun away from him he blew her head off.
Or the famous Black Athlete several years ago dining at a New York Restaurant with a Glock in his belt with no holster. He moved around a bit and naturally the safety-less Glock went off and he shot himself and then had to face prosecution in New York for carrying a concealed weapon.
Yep the safety-less pre-loaded striker fired Glock with no grip or manual safety is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time.
Its easy for arrogant fools to walk around with their nose up in the air pontificating about themselves being perfect walking computers that will never make a human mistake but the real reality is “the graveyards are full of such geniuses” its called “The Darwin Syndrome”. Or Murphy’s law ” If you say it cannot happen to you, it probably will happen”.
Lets face real facts, safety systems on machinery prevent people in factories from losing their eyes and hands and fingers and well designed safety systems on guns do exactly the same thing because a gun is a machine and if you make an unsafe one its just like operating a punch press that does not require you to push two safety buttons at the same time to keep your hands out of the way of the press when it comes down or inventing a gun that does not have a long hard double action pull but rather a light single action pull and no safety so that when you snag the trigger accidentally it goes off right now and you shoot your self.
And if the Military’s new handgun the Sig 320 is ordered without a manual safety (which I am sure the Military Neanderthals will do) will result in untold numbers of maimed recruits and also many unnecessary deaths because to make it even worse many of them have never handled a pistol in their entire lives let alone one that accidentally goes bang if you just snag the trigger.
There is NO reason to carry a glock. A poorly designed, unsafe, not that that reliable pile of junk. Not only is the product junk, but so is Gaston Glock. A billionaire POS that lives a debauched lifestyle. When I look at a company, I also look at it’s founders & leaders; mr. glock totally sucks. Here is a good link about real news on this pile of garbage: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/11/glock-family-goes-down-guns-blazing.html. Not only would I not by a seriously flawed product like his, but also because I do not want to contribute to this POS’s lifestyle.
First they are extremely reliable, anyone arguing that is just ignorant. Second when you have garnered this much hate from these “experts” you know you’ve done something right. I get so tired of seeing/hearing the ignorant, adolescent brand-shaming among folks who are supposed to be on the same side of things. It’s as silly as the Ford vs. Chevy debate or the 9 vs. 40 vs. 45 debate. Carry what you like and don’t worry yourself over what I choose.
Take your reasonable reasoning reasons elsewhere my friend. This is the Internet. We don’t tolerate your kind here.
Because it answers all my needs and I like it. After many yrs and many guns . This is the one for me. Above selection process was also used to choose the wife. Happy with both choices.
Unsubscribed from this trainwreck.