A Chigaco-area scumbag is perforated, but alive today after he and an accomplice traveled to Gary, Indiana to rob the inaptly-named ‘Safe And Sound Social Club.’ The club may have looked like a soft target because it’s a popular hangout for senior citizens, but the two armed perps seem to have forgotten that Indiana is a ‘shall issue’ CCW state. Unlike the defenseless sheep of Chicagoland, there are armed sheepdogs among the flock in the Hoosier State. And when the Chi-town yoots started shooting up the joint, one of them had the effrontery to shoot back . . .
From ABC-7 News (Chicago):
Five people, including the suspected gunman, were shot at the Safe and Sound Social Club in Gary, Indiana. Officers responded to the members-only club Wednesday around 11:30 p.m. in the 2200 block of Broadway in Gary.
Police say the suspected gunman is a 23-year-old from Chicago. They believe his motive was to rob people at the senior citizens club…
“They had hoods on like this, you couldn’t see their face,” said witness Jessie Sturgis.
Sturgis says one gunman took off while the other pointed a gun at him and three other club patrons. Sturgis says he escaped through the front door. As he called the police from outside the club, he said he heard several shots from inside. Some of the club patrons hid in a utility closet.
E.C. Robinson, 65, a Gary resident, was shot but managed to defend himself and others with his own gun.
“He shot him twice, that is when E.C. started shooting back,” said one witness.
The suspect hid in the bathroom after he was shot until police came and took him into custody.
Sturgis said he hopes the shooting will send a message to the younger people who want to cause trouble from Chicago.
“We’re in Indiana, they [are] from Illinois, they don’t know people got permits to carry guns, so bang bang, that is what happened,” Sturgis said.
Four innocent people were hurt, but a mass robbery and shooting was stopped in its tracks by…a good guy with a gun. This shows why Indiana is a safer place to be a law-abiding citizen. And why Chicago is paradise only for the lawless and violent.
The mommy cult would have us believe that this kind of thing never happens, but it happens every week as it happened here. Bang, bang, that is what happened.
Well, surely they’ll correct their press release on their web page after their error is pointed out to them in the comments section.
Oh. Wait….
Wow, there’s nothing about this story that can be spun in a negative way. I suspect this wont last long in the news cycle.
What kind of self control does it take to shoot back only after being shot twice? I dont have it….
The mommy club would say that a bunch of people got shot over what would have been a robbery and not a shooting. We’ll see if the little rat decided to shoot grandpa for no reason or because grandpa was about to ventilate him.
A gun isn’t always the best option and I think we should recognize that sometimes, when property is at stake and there are a lot of bystanders around with multiple assailants, the better move may be to give up the watch. But that choice doesn’t need to be made by a politician or activist.
I fully believe that the better move is always to to be willing to give up the watch. Or wallet. They are only things.
But my life? Someone else’s life?
Nope. That’s why I carry.
And sadly I’ve been hearing more and more of tales where despite compliance, the vic’s get hurt anyways.
All my stuff is insured and replaceable. My life an the lives of those around me are not replaceable.
My CC instructor said basically the same thing, that it will cost about $8,000 to clean up a “mess”. He said you are much better off just watching someone carry off your shiny new tee vee.
What’s MDA’s complaint? The verdict was that Dunn done it, not that Dunn didn’t do it. So are we done now?
Their complaint is shall issue carry.
Mothers against mayors could have also said, We are deeply saddened & dissapointed that the rule of law prevailed & we couldn’t execute a man for what was no more than possibly 2nd degree murder./// We are going to work tirelessly to see that our special sweethearts can’t be harmed & could care less what happens to good people running from POS criminals who obviously have done nothing wrong. We are looking into providing bullet proof vests for special criminals as this is just common sense. In summation I want to thank every one of our supporters for facilitating the wholesale slaughter of innocents
Where is Madam Twatts? isn’t this her backyard? She really needs to get OFF the MAIGs and get to straightening out her own house. /sarcasm on/ after all you can’t possibly have the people defending themselves like that?/sarcasm OFF/
There isn’t anything I like more than perps getting perforated during the commission of a crime.
Cops really don’t like to get speeding tickets. Something about a badge seems to make a lot of them think laws do not apply to them.
Both of my brother in laws are cops. One of them got pulled over for speeding recently and still yells about how DARE they expect him to follow the law.
The laws, including the Constitution. If they act with near impunity in betrayal of their oaths now, how then may we expect them to behave should the day come they must decide whether to wear the jackboot on their foot, or on their own neck?
When the moment comes, and it may, they’ll choose a side, people. Ask yourselves seriously and answer yourselves honestly: whose side is that more likely to be, yours or their own?
In other words “We (police) have ours, screw you.”. And if they’re not there or don’t get there in time, well, “tough break, so sorry.”
He obviously doesn’t care whether ordinary (non-cop) people are killed because of his policy. His fear of ordinary folks having a gun trumps their right to defend themselves with a firearm. Police are protected. They have guns. Non-cops are expendable.
And of course, we can just ignore all the instances of cops’ improper use of firearms. They never make mistakes or have bad judgement. And if they do, they get punished severely, much more than an ordinary citizen who make same a similar mistake or judgement call. .
Whoa – you’re telling me that people in absolute power become corrupted and abuse that power?! I am Jack’s complete shock.
This is one reason why I say there is no such thing as a good cop. Any cop who does the right thing and arrests or even tickets a fellow blue liner, gets brutally harassed by other cops. Then often gets fired.
Also, pretty much every single cop has participated in kidnapping and caging someone who has simply possessed a piece of dried plant life. This is immoral and the Nuremberg defense is the excuse they always use.
Sorry, but cops are bad actors in society.
Government and cops behaving badly….situation normal for America 2K
The Blacks had a saying in the old days, Burn baby Burn.
In Canada they had to destroy the long gun registry by law, it’s just that…oh how can I put this?… the law meant nothing to them.
Every lowlife crack head from the City knows there’s a boatload of legal handguns in Indiana. Homies must have been extra high/retarded to pick on old folks. Too bad he’s going to be a burden to Indiana prisons/taxpayers. He’d plead out in Chicago & get probation. No death penalty in Illinois, Indiana does.
Evolve is another effort to cloak the hidden agenda by making it sound like Third Way. This will fail miserably just like Americans For Gun Safety.
Cant be. I keep hearing its just a single bad apple here or there. Couldnt possibly be hundreds across dozens of departments.
Hopefully priced right.
Good thing the founding fathers knew the witches would be hunting us.
Wasn’t he the bad guy in Act of Valor?
LMAO
Good people do not become cops.
This guy did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55oxswMOB_A
Good people certainly do become cops. Its just that they can’t stay good and stay cops.
As a gun lover and an engineering student all these companies moving to tax and gun friendly states will make my post college job search easier
I saw the title and thought for sure this was going to be about Glock…
Great,come the 2nd American Civil War we will have all the manufacturing in the South this time. Between Remington and Steyr in Alabama and Beretta and Barret in Tennessee and other I could mention We should win this time…
Justifiable homicide increasing and unjustifiable homicides decreasing? What’s not to like?
Unless they are confusing the definitions of homicide and murder.
I confess, I’ve never understood the appeal of the AUG. Yes, it’s compact. Other than that, I don’t “get” it.
It’s the “other.” It’s not an AR, it’s not an AK, it’s about as common as a Maserati (I’ve seen more Maseratis than AUGs), and it’s expensive, so there’s the unobtanium factor for most gun owners.
It’s like looking at a fine sports car, but it’s a rifle instead.
For those that haven’t seen the movie, the main bad guy’s
name is Business, literally. Business seeks to order
everything and actively stifles creativity. Personally, I find
this nefarious subtext (though a rather blatant and obvious
one) far more troubling than lego gun use. While some,
including many here, are concerned with mocking/dispelling
the hoplaphobia; our efforts could be better spent loudly
asking why “Business” is portrayed as the evildoer and one
enforcing rules/laws and conformity.
I don’t think the few extra clicks MDA or Evolve gets from TTAG readers is going to make them more credible.
Groups like these are transparently obvious to anyone with basic weapons/blogging experience to be front groups, when they are as ignorant of gun facts, as well so poorly masquerading as even-handed, when a bit of research reveals them to be simple PR hacks pretending to be nuetral while pushing an anti-gun line.
As I recall, one or two commenters have tracked down the money connections to Bloomberg and other leftist advocacy .orgs.
The point of RF bringing them up from time to time is to help other newer readers of TTAG to become aware of the nature of Evolve, MDA, as they are simply new iterations of similar front organizations, sockpuppeted by the Leftist community organizers. Its a tiresome formula once you have seen it once or twice, but if you haven’t you can be taken in.
We can’t help the low info voters and Fakebook wannabe members of the cool-kids club. That slice of Americana is lost to rationale thought for their early years, and some forever.
But we can help those in the middle who are coming here for the Truth About Guns, how to spot the b.s. on the other side, and spread the word.
Its working, as the national surveys show on the slow tide towards 2A rights, and fewer restrictions on gun ownership, in most states, along with the desperation and excessive legislation in others, like CA, IL, NY and CO, that are reversed with patient litigation.
It just takes time and resolve, and telling the truth based on facts.
Keep up the good work RF and others.
I’m not a hater; I’m a lover, a lover of all things excellent; Glock 30 for CC and Sig Sauer 1911 for OC; I have the best of both worlds; but John Moses Browning was the first to see the light; All Hail, JMB.
“Gun-grabbers and TSA crotch-grabbers…” best TTAG line of the day!
That might have been me….
“Well Ms. K, gamblers work with what they get. Can’t bluff when your banging nails. At your level, it’s not about shooting…wouldn’t be there if you couldn’t. Your relying on routine to get you through. Pants, shoes, bags, loads, sleep, food….routine gets where your at….learning to accept distractions without losing focus may be the next thing to work on.”
Well done…keep us updated.
If this was practical and at all desirable we’d have some manufacturers already doing it. It’s not either.
Very good write and something we seem to have forgotten along the way……some us.
I am a City Council member in a small rural town that has a “No Firearms” sticker on the front door of City Hall. While I don’t conceal carry when I’m attending meetings, I do carry a Bodyguard in my briefcase. Like most small towns, we have a Village Idiot who doesn’t always see things the way I do. No one knows what’s in the briefcase, they assume papers, etc. And that’s the way I hope it always is, I certainly don’t want to ever have to pull it out in self defense, but……
RF and the article is talking about “NEW SHOOTERS”
I would like to point out that few people do anything for the first time and do it correctly — everyone learns at a different pace. I have taught everyone from Boy Scouts to 70yr old grandmother — everyone is different.
Sometime the gun community jumps on their high horse a bit to fast. Sometimes patience is better especially with kids.
These people are nervous, excited, terrified, many have never seen or handled a gun of any type before not even a water gun and all they know is what they have been told by TV, Hollywood or the Jackass friend who simply wants to scare them.
I like to break it down for them. I say the rule, then I have them repeat it back to me. I ask them what does it mean, they explain. Then I give them and empty gun and let them practice loading and dry firing. I watch and correct until they can do everything when dry firing. If I have the space I use an airsoft gun. THEN and only then do I give them a real loaded gun. I have had no close calls or ND in any of my classes that now space over 150 people.
Tell them, have them repeat it. Show them, have them repeat it while dry firing, then allow them to do it for real. This is how reinforcement works.
And I will bet the smart gun tech will be beaten with either a few soldered wire connections or an installed software patch. Even replacing a few parts to over ride the lock function.