“Illinois, the last state to allow concealed carry, is expected to begin issuing permits in April under a law that goes into effect on the first of the year. Traffic stops already are among the most dangerous activities for officers, and throwing newly legalized handguns into the mix could have tragic consequences, officials said.” Before I amaze you with Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart’s asinine comments [via mychicagotribune.com] about the prospect of American citizens in The Land of Lincoln exercising their natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms I want to say this: Illinois cops have to deal with concealed carry during traffic stops right now. You know: criminals with guns. How does legal carry by law-abiding residents have any effect on traffic stop cops whatsoever? OK, since you asked . . .
Here’s some deep thinking on the subject by police trainer Kevin McClain, executive director of the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board:
McClain said there could be more arrests for disorderly conduct or obstruction for citizens who don’t cooperate.
“Police officers are going to have to show a lot of restraint,” he said. “You might get people that are carrying the weapon legally that get obnoxious with a law enforcement officer.”
Back to Dart:
Dart said he expected more shootings to occur — including those that are ruled justified — once the new law takes effect and more people are carrying handguns.
“I don’t know anybody in this debate who’s going to sit there and say that with more guns out there it’s not going to lend itself to more shootings,” he said.
Bueller? Bueller?
Please don’t tie all Illinois departments in with Dart. He is the biggest joke of all LEs in Illinois. Well, so are most of all his clowns in brown.
I’d like to meet these guys
I think the subtext in the Sheriff’s words are these: “Holy shit! Our officers are such complete assholes to citizens that some of those concealed carry types are just gonna open up on us!”
There may well be more shootings because of the increased handguns on the street, but as people practice and their aim improves, eventually the bad guys will start dying more frequently, so eventually the shootings will go down. Well, it sort of works like that everywhere else… What am I saying?!? Everyone knows that Chicago is one of the official entrances to Hell! Maybe things won’t get better there, but it won’t be because of the presence or absence of guns.
Things might not get better in Chicago because it is the gangrenous heart of 50 years of failed public policy.
Sherriff Dart needs to come down to Arizona and take some lessons in how to be a police officer.
Maybe not from the Pima County SWAT team, but the Tucson Police seem to do alright, as well as the state troopers and many other departments.
Or, he should just fellate a cactus. The cactus doesn’t deserve to be treated that badly, but sometimes you have to take one for the team.
At first, I laughed at the stupidity of the statements in this article, and then I remembered I still live in Cook County. Now, I am just depressed.
No one takes Dart seriously. No one takes the Cook County Sheriff ‘s Police seriously. They exist to provide bagmen for the Outfit and to leak investigative info to street gangs. It is just another Patronage Army for the Illinois Combine.
“It is true that even an updated and reauthorized law will not completely ensure public safety. No law can. That is not an excuse, however, for inaction. ”
YES, IT IS! It’s a great reason for inaction!
Am I the only one who noticed the absurdity of this comment? If you know a law will be ineffective for its intended purpose, then don’t pass that law. You do not “need to do something” when that something is stupid.
To me the most funny thing about Cook county is that Indiana is just an invisible line away. For most living there is just a bad habit.
Stupid pig must be fired. Poppin’ off shots like that is crazy dangerous.
Because CCW holders cause much mayhem all over the country Ill predictss blood in the streets. Just like 1986 in Florida when CCW was introduced.
Except Cook County Illinois isn’t Florida. These guys are ready to make sure blood runs in the streets, just to make their point. And especially to make sure this foolishness never migrates into Chicago proper.
Hitler was part Jewish, it never stopped him from murdering millions upon millions of non-Jews.
What the readership is missing here is that Nazis pursued the same policies that American and British Progressives expoused for decades before he showed up.
In other words, this NN is simply another Leftist and he’ll be the 1st in line to shoot FOWGs and their families, probably burning them in their churches, a favorite of Socialists everywhere
Hitler allegedly had a Jewish grandparent, an ancestor, he isn’t considered Jewish. Jews don’t consider a person being ‘part’ Jewish. People are either all Jewish or not Jewish.
The ATF must be removed. Evil.
Whether the smelter closing will have an impact or not, I am buying everything I can get my hands on that isn’t overpriced for the current market. I will not get caught in short supply again like I did back in January.
I see a lot of this kind of bashing in our community, and it kind of worries me. It seems the same as the antis’ twisted thought process. They seem to think something along the lines of, “I don’t understand why anyone would want a gun, so I’m going to ridicule gun owners, and say they have small penises”. We mock that, and then go off and say “I don’t understand why anyone would want _that_ gun, so I’m going to ridicule _that_ gun owner, and say he’s a (insert random derogatory term)”. Yes, I think that gun is ugly. But it sounds like the owner spent a lot of time on it. I’m guessing it made him happy. Why would we mock that? I don’t see what there is to gain.
I don’t mind if he wants to put a lot of dumb mods on a rifle. I can even appreciate the humor. What i do mind is that he did it to a historically significant rifle. If this was an old beater deer rifle or something, we wouldn’t be here.
As a current Illinoisan (I know I know) counting the days in which I can fully exercise my 2A rights, and thumb my nose at Quinny Pooh, Rahmfather and the Madigans.
“As a current Illinoisan (I know I know) counting the days in which I can fully exercise my 2A rights, and thumb my nose at Quinny Pooh, Rahmfather and the Madigans.”
… Except for the 22 or so “gun free zones” where Illinois decided by legislative fiat to criminalize concealed carry.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but paying just shy of $1000 for your FOID card, concealed carry training, and concealed carry license and being told that the state will bust your chops if you carry concealed into 22 locations, is not “fulling exercising your 2nd Amendment rights”.
The People of Illinois deserve these idiots.
Funny that you can buy those adapters ANYWHERE… I think even Amazon has them for sale. ATF agents must wake up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat imagining a the long aisles of a hardware store and the long aisles of a auto part store…
Whoop
I like how they make him incompetent and slow with the katana to make it less leathal. Also, in “eagle tears” mode, they give you a whole new level of the school and all of the doors are unlocked. Does this kind of crap really convince anyone to change their mind?
One of my many pet peeves are people who post about modifying your gun causing legal problems. What they do not seem to understand is that if you are justified to use deadly force, you can use a chain saw. Deadly force means any force that can make a person dead so how does a light trigger make any difference? What does the prosecutor tell the jury? Does he tell them that the light trigger allowed him to kill the plaintiff quicker than if it had a stock trigger? There are similar fallacies about the type of ammo used. Dead is dead and if you are legally allowed to make a person dead, nothing matters except whether or not you did indeed have the right to make them dead. All the other stuff may come up but it is easily refuted by any competent attorney, I do not know of any self defense laws that allow the use of deadly force that limit you to what kind of weapon you can use and what condition it must be in.
Deal with it Dart,It’s federal Law and you are full of CRAP.Why don’t you sit through your own 14 hr CCW course,maybe you will learn a thing or two before you open your big,Clueless mouth! Dumbass!
I knew suppressors were expensive and have not given them any thought as I do not have a barrel with the threads (or “twisty thing on the end” /politician-speak). My questions are borne of ignorance on the matter.
What is the reason the filter cannot be user replaced and why would one need to replace it?
As soon as I saw this I thought it’d be perfect for a 3D printer. Then I read here of a similar product for real cheap at the hardware store. I’ve not seen a solvent trapper at the hardware store, but I’ve never looked for one.
Outside of the law, is there no functional difference between the serialized version and the solvent trapper version? If there is no difference between the two, am I to understand the only difference between jail and freedom is being caught in possession a solvent trapper with a hole in the bottom?
What is the reason the filter cannot be user replaced and why would one need to replace it?
Because that’s the law. The filter screwed onto the adapter is legally the same as the baffles or wipes inside a conventional suppressor. The end user is not allowed to repair or remanufacture a suppressor; it has to be returned to a licensed agent for that. You would need to replace the oil filter because the inside of an oil filter is not terribly durable, and the heat and blast would destroy the interior structure in pretty short order. Even the metal baffles on a conventional suppressor are subject to erosion over time.
Then I read here of a similar product for real cheap at the hardware store.
A solvent trap is a real not-gun-related thing, but at this point on gun sites, it’s become nothing more than a euphemism for these devices.
Outside of the law, is there no functional difference between the serialized version and the solvent trapper version?
That’s correct. There is functionally no difference. A solvent trap adapter is nothing more than a machined piece of steel or aluminum that is threaded 1/2-28 on the inside (for threading onto the muzzle) and 3/4-16 on the outside (for threading into an oil filter). You can buy those fittings on eBay or Amazon for just a few bucks.
If there is no difference between the two, am I to understand the only difference between jail and freedom is being caught in possession a solvent trapper with a hole in the bottom?
There is a lot of internet keyboard lawyering about this point, but the truth is nobody really knows. The ATF has said categorically that screwing a solvent trap adapter onto your gun and screwing a filter onto that is undeniably a silencer, and if you do that without it being serialized and tax-stamped, you are definitely, unequivocally breaking the law. Once it’s been serialized, and assuming you have a tax stamp, it’s perfectly legal. As far as I know, there is no actual ruling from the ATF on where the line is drawn on constructive possession. For instance, if you had one of these adapters thrown in the bottom of your toolbox, and you had a shelf full of oil filters (or even just one), and you also own a gun with a threaded barrel, are you in constructive possession of a suppressor? I don’t know, and as I said, as far as I know there’s no ruling on paper that answers that question.
I have heard of people picking up one (or more) of those $8-10 solvent trap adapters off of Amazon and just throwing them in the bottom of the toolbox, never to be used or seen again except in a TEOTWAWKI situation, because at that point the paperwork would be irrelevant. Are they safe doing that? Probably, unless they expect to get raided by the ATF and their house torn apart. Even then, it’s just a pipe fitting, unless there’s evidence they’ve used it unlawfully.
Does all that make sense? (I don’t mean existentially; I’m just asking about my explanation.) Keep in mind, I’m not a lawyer, and even if I was, if there’s not a court ruling to point to for precedent (and there’s not), then it would still just be my opinion.
What would possess a person to grab another persons gun like that? Why did he need to read the serial number off of the gun? The officer escalated the situation for no damn good reason. Of course the guy is going to touch his rifle, you just pulled it from his body and then let go. There should have been no charges and no fine. This is utterly ridiculous.
This did nothing to change my opinion of the situation. Officer Ermis is a moron. You don’t walk up to someone and just start grabbing their stuff. Then holding him down on top of said gun and telling him to keep away from the gun is just dumb.
Azz hat!
Basically the officer created the problem, overreacted, expected the citizen to simply let him do whatever he wanted, then arrested the citizen for non-compliance. Yeah that seems fair.
So before some idiot liberal say; ” reason for gun crime in California is Nevada’s lax gun laws”‘Let’s get the facts strait; that Stupid argument( which is the same one New York uses against Virginia) is as lame as lame get’s.Nevada like Virginia,allows it’s citizens to exercise their Constitutional right without infringement and as such crime in Open/conceal carry states,is minimized .If Bloomberg and Feinstein would bother to check(instead of ignore/hide ) facts they would realize this and stop the blame game as that is their only excuse to explain their respective state’s; HIGHEST MURDER RATES in the W O R L D !
Stupid people doing stupid things…
Let’s see…..
a $2000 fine….
TTAG has at least 2000 loyal readers….
$5 each and we pay his fine and gather some seed money for a civil rights suit that will hopefully advance gun rights in TX….
can I get a Harrumpf?
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” No and’s ifs or buts. Thus all of California’s “mentally ill” laws are strickttly and 100% unconstitutional. And anyone who says others wise including scous is either A: Illiterate or B: Flat out bold face lying.
Yeager puts photographers down range, I really don’t think that is the best target, but … who am I to question such an expert?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTCFxU2fxXI
[PLEASE LOP THE HTTP:// OFF THE FRONT OF YOUTUBE LINKS WHEN YOU PASTE THEM TO AVOID EMBEDDING. -THANKS]
Because going home at the end of the shift isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
Hey, officers, we all want you to be safe, so if you’re not going to get into the fight, just stay home and let us handle things on our own.
Gee-whiz can be fun… but I’ll always go back to basics.
*psy* I can’t believe people listen to that crap…
Sub-guns do no not address the issue of over penetration any better than pistols do if that was why you were going with a shotgun. A sub-gun over a pistol just offers greater accuracy at the cost of lesser maneuverability – if those are your concerns. It is hard to match the firepower of a shotgun if that is what you want. If you want, firepower, accuracy and greater maneuverability, it sounds like you might want to look into a bullpup rifle [as much as I dislike them] they do offer those things at the price of aesthetics [personal], poor triggers [usually], and having to learn a whole different animal of a weapon system.