Ohio Legislators: ‘Error’ May ‘Inadvertently’ Ban Many Legal Firearms

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“A mistake,” “an error.” Hmm…

A mistake in writing up an Ohio bill could inadvertently ban several types of already legal guns and must be fixed quickly, gun rights advocates say.

At issue is legislation approved by lawmakers last year…

The bill also attempted to align Ohio law with federal law regarding short-barrel weapons, or generally speaking shotguns with barrel lengths less than 16 inches.

Such guns are legal under federal law but classified as illegal in Ohio, even though many gun stores sell them. As the bill was being drafted, a misplaced paragraph unintentionally lumped a variety of long guns into a prohibited category.

Those could include semi-automatic AK-47s and any long gun with a pistol grip, which could also affect shotguns used in competitive shooting.

– Associated Press, Ohio Lawmakers Studying Error that Could Ban Some Guns

comments

  1. avatar enuf says:

    Wait? Incompetence in the legislature? Now that can’t be right. I mean whoever heard of a such thing?

    1. avatar don says:

      Or some sneakee Democrat purposely made a end run when the final draft was written up.

      1. avatar Reason says:

        It’s no accident that the mistakes are never what gun owners want.

      2. avatar GS650G says:

        Let’s see a law accidentally legalizing a firearm related activity happen just once.

        1. avatar Frank white says:

          This is how a slung load is legal in NJ, but a sling shot is not.

      3. avatar Bill says:

        Yeah that might fly in another state, but Ohio went almost all red years ago. No Dems left almost at all in the state government. 2nd most effective jerry rigging in US history, and no court cases to fix it. Yet.
        Just a few city councils here and there in the larger burgs.

        Simple incompetence here.

  2. avatar RGP says:

    Oh golly it’s another oopsies from a governmental body that is legally completely exempt from responsibility for anything.

  3. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    What? Did they ban the shoulder thing that goes up or something?

  4. avatar Roh-Dog says:

    Don’t worry Ohio, I do the same thing all the time -accidentally passing unconstitutional laws is too easy.
    Maybe, just maybe, laws sould have safeties.
    -or-
    Keep your finger off the pen until you mean to sh*tcan Rights.

    1. avatar Illinois_Minion says:

      “Keep your finger off the pen until you mean to sh*tcan Rights.”

      That’s priceless and accurate, I’m stealing that one.

    2. avatar GunnyGene says:

      I am sooooo stealing that line. 🙂

  5. avatar Danny Griffin says:

    Many (most) legislators have no idea what they are doing when they craft firearms legislation. That is why Michigan Open Carry works with them (when we can). Sometimes legislators go rogue and introduce legislation on their own without consulting us. We just had a bill introduced that did nothing. Honestly, its effect was zero because the legislator had no idea what he proposed.

    I don’t follow Ohio. Is there a comparable group that works with Ohio legislators to craft good legislation?

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Danny Griffin,

      If legislatures were doing their jobs righteously and upholding their oaths of office, they would not need any assistance from firearms ownership advocacy organizations to write firearms legislation because said legislatures would not be writing any firearms legislation.

      Now, if legislatures needed help determining how to erase/repeal firearms legislation, firearms ownership advocacy organizations should be all over that!

      Disclaimer: I have ZERO intent to disparage firearms ownership advocacy organizations. To the contrary, I heartily encourage membership and activism. I was simply pointing out that we would not have to help legislatures if they did their jobs properly.

      1. avatar Danny Griffin says:

        Agree. This piece of legislation was another carve-out (which we oppose anyway).

        1. avatar AKATALCUL1 says:

          Danny Griffin, Buckeye Firearms assoc. helped with the legislation and screwed the pooch. I’m a dues-paying member so it makes me extra sad. Ohio Gun Owners org. saw it coming and warned everybody, live in real time from the legislature floor. Now they’ve (O.G.O.) have pulled together a lot of gun owners who have contacted our representatives to fix this before it goes into effect next month. State Senator Kristina Roegner introduced Senate Bill 53 a few hours ago to do that.

      2. avatar binder says:

        Or TAG and tag commentators could take 5 minutes and look up a better source:

        https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/drafting-error-causes-confusion-over-shockwave-fix

        This was all about getting the shockwave and that fact that Ohio classified it a shotgun.

        1. avatar J.T. says:

          And since it isn’t in there, the error was a clerk being fat fingered and typing 2923.11 (K) instead of (L) when putting what the new wording would go under.

        2. avatar Sneakachu says:

          Thanks for the informative link!

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      Same down under. Our National Firearms Act was a wish list sitting in a bureaucrat’s desk drawer until the right event happened.

      The various state firearms regulations were drawn in haste and ignorance creating situations where there were inconsistencies, such as the furor over lever action shotguns because the law makers didn’t know they existed and were classified in a low category.

      Note the distinction between Act and Regulation. An Act can only be changed with a parliamentary vote where Regulations can be changed at any time. Concerned groups, including shooting organizations, are supposed to be on the consultative committees and their input has sometimes stopped bad laws from being passed, but only sometimes.

  6. avatar ozzallos says:

    Funny how there are never errors that abruptly legalize destructive devices.

  7. avatar Cam says:

    Wait let me get this strait, politicians are crewing everything up?!?!
    Who would have thunk it?

  8. avatar napresto says:

    “Short-barrel weapons, or generally speaking shotguns with barrel lengths less than 16 inches.” This is incorrect: legal barrel length for a shotgun is 18 inches, not 16. Unless I’m missing some special exception? This whole sentence is quite confusing.

    Add journalists to the collection of people who can’t write sensibly about guns…

  9. avatar BB Eyes says:

    What gets me pissed off is the fact that these politicians believe that us common folk are ignorant.

    1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

      The reason they think we are stupid is because voters fell for their lies and voted them in office. For this reason they think that the ” fly over country” inhabitants are ignorant and therefore they have contempt for us.

  10. avatar Gun Owning American says:

    Government incompetence at it’s finest. .

  11. avatar possum says:

    Golly gee I got fired from a job for screwing up on the paperwork. If these people can’t get it right why are they not fired? I am really beginning to think we the people can’t trust our govarmint, not because of a hidden agenda but because of their ignorance. However they were elected by us so perhaps we are the ignorant ones. Anyway he fcked up and should be fired.

    1. avatar Danny Griffin says:

      Many politicians are idiots (AOC). Many voters are idiots (AOC voters). What are we going to do, force people to go to school and actually learn stuff?

      1. avatar possum says:

        From some of the I Q’s I’ve seen coming out of the schools I don’t think that would work either.

      2. avatar MyName says:

        “What are we going to do, force people to go to school and actually learn stuff?”

        Something about leading a horse to water comes to mind.

      3. avatar GS650G says:

        They outlawed voting tests. Maybe not the best idea.

    2. avatar DesertDave says:

      Incompetent idiots or evil bureaucrats hungry for power and to enslave the populace, makes no difference, the result is the same

  12. avatar Warren Neville says:

    Ohio has some of the most crooked law makers in the country.

  13. avatar former water walker says:

    Aw c’mon…banning guns is a feature not a bug donchaknow?!?😄😊😏

  14. avatar Kyle says:

    People will just follow the example of all the gun laws being passed since the assault weapons ban proved a failure and expired.

    The laws will be ignored.

    Sheriffs all over washington are refusing to enforce the dumb laws. In california compliance with the law is nearly non-existant.

    The governments of various states are writing laws they know will not be obeyed by anyone.

    Gun control is to the left, what marijuana laws are to the right.

  15. avatar NORDNEG says:

    It’s all about education, lots of people who vote for this stuff are UNeducated, ,,,,schools nowadays don’t teach, they express the instructors view of the subject. Since most all instructors are very liberal, the students don’t get the right advice or teachings,,, 12 liberal instructors to1 conservative in higher ed…12 to 1….

  16. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    The hell with politically correct, ***holes! Get these sons-of-bitches a clear copy of the Constitution and clear-headed thinking.

  17. avatar 2aguy says:

    Don’t give to anti-gunners the excuse of incompetence in making an anti-gun law, when malevolence actually is the truth…they know what they are doing with these laws….anyone who thinks otherwise is not ready to fight their legislation.

  18. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    Isn’t this the state where the AG “accidentally” left a gun rights expansion sit on his desk until the legislative session expired?

    1. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

      I believe that was Iowa.

  19. avatar Bierce Ambrose says:

    If you go against the entreanched mandarins and their agenda, you gotta win by more than the margin of fraud at the ballot box, more than the margin of malfeasance in the bureaucracy, and more than the margin of extortion in whoever watches the watchers.

  20. avatar Sam I Am says:

    Never ascribe to incompetence that which is more accurately explained by malice aforethought.

  21. avatar Frank M. says:

    It reminds me of how the SAFE Act in NY failed to carve-out exceptions on magazine capacity limits for government agents. Maybe folks in Ohio can do what every law enforcement department in NY did: Ignore the law.

  22. avatar Troybilt says:

    I put some of the blame on Buckeye Firearm Association. H.B. 68 has been introduced to fix the incompetence.

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