Las Vegas, NV - May 30: Demonstration for George Floyd in the downtown container park on May 30, 2020 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Credit: Peter Noble/The Photo Access/MediaPunch /IPX
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It was just a matter of time. As protests have been allowed to continue in cities across the country, the rioters have grown more bold. The police, who’ve come under repeated attack, are more frustrated. And business-owners and uninvolved citizens are worried about their safety and that of their families.

In Buffalo (AP):

An SUV carrying two people who had been shot plowed through a group of law enforcement at a George Floyd demonstration Monday night in Buffalo, injuring at least two officers, authorities said.

Video posted by a bystander shows a line of police officers, backed up by an armored personnel carrier, rushing and tackling a man who was being interviewed by a man with a TV camera about 9:30 p.m. Other officers used batons to whack at protesters, who scattered.

Moments later, there was the sound of firearms discharging off camera, then officers ran as an SUV barreled through a cluster of officers. At least one appeared to go under the vehicle’s wheels.

In St. Louis (AP):

Police say four officers were hit by gunfire after protests in St. Louis that started peacefully Monday became violent overnight, with demonstrators smashing windows and stealing items from businesses and fires burning in the downtown area.

The police department tweeted early Tuesday that the officers were taken to a hospital with injuries that were not believed to be life-threatening. It was unclear who had fired the shots.

In Philadelphia:

Officials say the owner of the gun store, Firing Line Inc, was inside his business guarding it because they had experienced a break-in attempt on Sunday evening.

When a crew of looters reportedly attempted to break in, the store’s owner saw them on surveillance video and then heard them coming up the steps of the store.

“One of the individuals that broke into the property, pointed a handgun at him,” Chief Inspector Scott Smalls told FOX 29’s Steve Keeley. “And that’s when the store owner fired his own weapon — striking the one perpetrator at least one time in the head and he collapsed, dropping his gun between his legs.”

A Minneapolis Police officer aims a rubber pellet gun as he helps keep protesters back near a structure fire, Saturday, May 30, 2020, in Minneapolis. Protests continued following the death of George Floyd, who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police officers on Memorial Day. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

In San Jose:

A suspected looter was shot by police Monday morning, authorities said.

The man was taken to a hospital for treatment of minor injuries and was released, police said in a news release. His age and place of residence have not been released.

The shooting happened about 4 a.m. Monday after officers responded to reports of looting at a CVS drug store at Harder Road and Mission Boulevard.

In Austin:

An Austin teen remains hospitalized after he was shot in the face by police at weekend protests.

Video posted on social media shows 16-year-old Brad Levi Ayala shot in the head with what police are calling “bean bag ammunition.” In the video he’s standing still and alone on a hill in a blue shirt and khaki pants. In the bottom right-hand corner of the video you can see a uniformed officer raise something to his face, there’s a loud crack and you see the young man instantly go limp before the officer’s arms go back down.

“They shot his face. That is not okay,” says Edwin Sanchez, Ayala’s brother.

In Las Vegas (AP):

An officer has been shot in Las Vegas and authorities are responding to another shooting as people protest the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, authorities said.

The officer was shot in the area of the Las Vegas Strip and an officer was involved in a shooting in the downtown area, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department reported early Tuesday.

In Omaha (AP):

A 22-year-old black man was killed after authorities said he tussled with the owner of two bars in downtown Omaha. Surveillance video of the strip of bars shows a group of people, including James Scurlock, approach bar owner Jake Gardner.

Two people are seen on the video tackling Gardner, who ended up on his back and fired shots in the air. Seconds later, Scurlock is seen tackling Gardner, who then fires the gun over his shoulder, striking Scurlock.

In Detroit (AP):

A 21-year-old man was killed in downtown Detroit after someone fired shots into a vehicle during a protest. According to a police report, the man was sitting in the driver’s seat of a car in a parking lot with two others when someone fired shots into the vehicle and then fled on foot.

In Chicago (AP):

Two people were killed during unrest Monday in the Chicago suburb of Cicero, according to a town official. Spokesman Ray Hanania did not provide details about those who were killed but said it happened amid protests there.

And these don’t include the shooting in Louisville yesterday or the drive-by that killed a law enforcement officer and wounded another in Oakland on the first night of rioting.

The longer the rioting and looting continue, the more of this will take place. Police and citizens will only tolerate the violence for so long before escalating the situation. Unless and until overwhelming responses by law enforcement and the National Guard put an end to the rioting, more people will die. On both sides of the line.

Atlanta Police officers detain a man after finding a hand gun in his backpack during a protest, Friday, May 30, 2020 in Atlanta. The protest started peacefully earlier in the day before demonstrators clashed with police. (AP Photo/Mike Stewart)

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    • Remember that time when thousands of scary gun owners protested at the capitol in Virginia and (holding GUNS, even!) then started fires, vandalized monuments, killed cops, looted stores, hijacked cars, and beat up old ladies…?

  1. This is merely more proof that these riots are politically motivated.
    Police departments have been receiving military equipment for decades and still are incapable of using it.
    It is possible that the democRAT leaders are holding back the police as most urban “chiefs of police” are political appointees (hacks).
    It was easy for the “big and bad” police to use this military equipment against individuals, even “hitting the wrong house” (overwhelming force) without having responsibility for doing so, but when it comes to the situation today, with real riots, they scatter like chickens.

    • Truth is there ar so few LEO in the country if it comes down to it they will all be taken out in a matter of hours. If they don’t esrn our respect and trust back that is exactly what will happen. I don’t want that. So mandatory minimums for LEO that break laws while in uniform. Mandatory cameras with audio, if they get “turned off” the LEO loses his job. LEO must out himslef/herself in harms way to protect citizens.

  2. We have the full mix of possibilities in these events.

    Peaceful protesters exercising their Constitutional Rights, doing no harm.

    Instigators trying to turn crowds into rioters, because they want anarchy and violence.

    Criminals who see an advantage and are taking it with enthusiam and evil intent.

    Cops defending themselves and the public.

    Cops showing solidarity with peaceful protestors, examples of “taking a knee” with them and other means.

    Cops targeting peaceful protesters with rubber bullets, teargas, flashbangs.

    Cops targeting news crews with rubber bullets, teargas, flashbangs.

    Cops shooting the wrong person, even citizens on their side.

    So we have rioting by police as well as criminals. And we have peaceful people and good cops in the middle of it all. And we have evil criminals anarchists trying to use the crowds to their criminal advantage.

    Yup, the full range of humanity is to be found when the masses get sufficiently pissed off.

    • “Yup, the full range of humanity is to be found when the masses get sufficiently pissed off.”

      Apparently you didn’t get the memo from the news media and the twitter troops. Anything bad happening is because of Trump and white supremacists.

      • Apparently you are only paying attention to biased news outlets catering to your ideological preconceptions. There’s endless video of all angles of these events supporting all observations of what is happening.

        • Okay, you got me. Yeah, I’m only listening to the reports blaming Trump for everything. 😉

        • Darn that NYT actual news section (not editorial section) for feeding my bias. They totally wouldn’t try to prop up Biden and blame everything on Trump and white on black racism, while having the audacity to pass it off as news. Or would they?

          I would say wake up and smell the coffee, but you seem to be as hopeless as my liberal friends and relatives. You guys exist in an alternate reality.

        • And I’d say wake up and stop taking sleeping pills.

          You are obviously searching around for news stories to support your ideology while ignoring or pretending that anything which does not support you simply doesn’t exist.

          It all exists. Good cops and bad cops. Good citizens and the scum of the earth. It is all out there in this massive roiling population.

        • “You are obviously searching around for news stories to support your ideology while ignoring or pretending that anything which does not support you simply doesn’t exist.”

          Please explain to me how this is obvious. I still regularly read the Times, the Post and the Journal. As a matter of fact, I’ve posted that tidbit here before. I know exactly how the “trusted news sources” have been reporting on this. It was just a few years ago that I was so closed minded that I didn’t bother to hear anything from the right side of the aisle. Thank God I saw the writing on the wall and watched CNN, NPR, et al devolve into nonsense so I made an effort to always listen to all sides, and search out source documents for myself so I don’t have to rely on the news gate keepers to relay biased information to me. As a matter of fact, I have clearly stated that here recently as well, which goes to show why it’s important not to draw assumptions out of your ass.

          “It all exists. Good cops and bad cops. Good citizens and the scum of the earth. It is all out there in this massive roiling population.”

          Please show me where I said this is untrue. Actually, I’ve said more or less the exact same thing. So who is biased? Answer: the one always making assumptions that fit their bias.

        • “…your ideology…”

          Again, wake up and smell the coffee. I regularly rail against ideologues and partisans right here on TTAG. Arguments full of assumptions aren’t arguments at all.

        • “stop taking sleeping pills”

          Dude I don’t even drink alcohol, but I do love coffee. 🙂

    • The sheriff office is not the police department. Don’t insult them like that.

      The sheriff is elected by the people. They are the constitutional law enforcement. They represent the people’s will.

      • I noticed that, too. Law enforcement doing something useful, even inspiring, it’s a sheriff.

        The response varies, too, from marching with protesters, to warning looters they will be shot.

        • So, what’s appropriate depends on what’s going on?

          The guy on site has a better idea of that?

          Helping the folks in front of you worksout better than appeasing some distant functionaries?

          Shocked, shocked. I am shocked.

  3. The shooting of the kid in Austin is pretty nuts. You can see him standing there, empty handed, not on the roadway at all. His hands are at his side. He’s not blocking the Interstate. He’s on a grass berm and he’s not standing close to anyone else. He’s probably 40 yards away from a line of police. He’s just standing there with his hands down at his side. Look to the bottom right of the screen and you can see an officer raise something up, pause to aim, and then the kid drops right to the ground. The video aftermath shows part of his scalp torn away. He did not regain consciousness. He’s being treated for a traumatic brain injury.
    Unless they had credible evidence this kid had just committed a serious felony, which seems pretty ridiculous given the rest of the video, I can’t see any reason for him being shot.

    • 100%. We need accountability. A word not being used because nobody is being held accountable.
      One act of violence after another.

      • I already posted about 3 videos of people being shot in the face with rubber bullets on purpose. One was said to be a 13 year old girl.

        It’s starting to look like a country that shoots kids for throwing rocks at armored up soldiers.

        • At this point 71%, including 63% of Democrats, want the National Guard to put down the riots. 42% of Blacks and 54% of Hispanics feel the same.

          58% overall support active duty troops to put down rioters. 48% of Democrats support the same.

          Continued riots will raise these numbers.

          If a civil war is what some of these groups want then they’re going to die in the streets and do so to the thunderous applause applause of their countrymen.

          If what you’ve been saying is, in fact, true then it’s time to pack it in. The revolutionaries already lost what is essentially their only asset; public opinion. Rioting tends to do that.

          Keep it up and the general public will go from supporting putting down the riots to doi g it themselves and that’s a fight that will be fairly short and extremely bloody for the agitators.

        • Yes, the people are ready to get behind the police… at least the ones who aren’t going to prison.

          “Six Atlanta Police officers are being charged with using excessive force during an arrest of two college students at a protest on Saturday night, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard announced Tuesday.
          The officers were filmed in downtown Atlanta breaking windows of a vehicle, yanking a woman out of the car and tasing a man. The two victims were later identified as college students at Spellman and Morehouse, both historically black schools, and were returning from protests calling for an end to police violence against black citizens.”

        • Yes, there was no rockthrowing in tvOS incident.

          Yet, six police officers busted out their car windows and drug them out of the car teasing them, using excessive force, even though there was no rockthrowing in this incident.

          It seems regardless of the perceived offense, the police will react with excessive force in an inappropriate manner as their standard operating procedure with young black people.

          Gosh, do you think the police have done this before with innocent individuals, no way!

        • JW: don’t try to use facts when replying to Miner.
          He has no use for facts, and they undermine his race baiting.

      • Did you forget the first revolution didn’t have majority support and only a small percentage fought? Why are polls correct now when they weren’t correct with Trump’s chances?

        That’s why the plan is to get the military on the streets and have police shoot kids in the face. Killing Americans using military force on American soil is not good PR. Dying in the streets is the motive for change.

        You know women don’t want to see people being shot to death for stealing some shoes. You know people that support the constitution do not want martial law and military policing America. You know occupying forces lose the hearts and minds of the people being occupied. You know why laws were passed to get the military out of the south when the civil war was over.

        The bad actors want order out of chaos to gain more power over America and to further get rid of the constitution.

        • Scared people want stability above all else. If a pile of corpses brings that then people tend to accept it. This is exactly why civil wars are so uncivil.

          With all the arguments you’ve made about human nature over the last number of days you should know that the plan you claim these people have is fundamentally flawed for the above reason.

          Smart as you seem to be you should also know that drawing comparisons to the Revolution is asinine.

          Look at Kent State. Polling on that was overwhelmingly supportive (68% IIRC) of gunning down unarmed kids and the opinion polling on that stayed in the black for almost a decade after the event. Polling for “cracking skulls” at the 1968 DNC Convention is Chicago was at 60% too. So no, getting kids shot for this isn’t going to swing things if those kids are perceived by the public as being miscreants, which they currently are. The longer the riots go the more support there will be for crushing them even more ruthlessly.

          As you yourself said; don’t start shit, won’t be shit. Well, the rioters started some shit. And now we’ve got a guy from Illinois being charged today in Federal Court with passing out explosives in Minnesota. That’s not going to help advance the narrative.

          Riots aren’t something you can sell unless the majority of the public bought in before the riots kicked off. The public didn’t buy in advance and you’re not going to get a sale now.

          As for the Trump thing, this just shows you need to learn to read polling internals and you are not thinking logically at this point but rather have crossed into dogma and are seeking to confirm your biases. Just as a general logic question, if we assume that the polls were rigged to fuck Trump, why are the same pollsters now rigging them in his favor? That makes no sense.

      • Appears to be. It took a heck of a chunk out of his scalp though. Never seen that before.
        It is particularly troublesome as he was standing alone, and you can watch the individual officer take aim before he fires.

        • In your opinion, should that officer be charged with a crime?

          One wonders if this sort of thing has happened before, except there were no video cameras to record the incident…

          Maybe that’s what they’re upset about, could be…

        • Yeah, the cop that did that needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

          You’re always going to have a few shitbirds but you can’t let them just do their thing.

    • I have seen around ten shootings to the head with less lethal rounds purposefully done by the police. The police are trying to kill people. They like to attack the pacifists rather than the rioters. If you are passive and peaceful you get “lit up.” When you stand up for yourself the police tend to stand down.

      You can see many videos where police leave the “stronger” protesters alone and attack the weak ones. This has been the standard procedure since last Tuesday.

      They are cowards and bullies. When they started taking fire from men with guns they fired uncontrollably and ran.

    • News reports now say that he was shot with a bean bag round, and that he did regain consciousness. He went through a 7-hour surgery, which included a repair for a fractured skull. The doctor says he has a long road of recovery ahead.
      That is a hell of a beanbag to fracture a skull at that distance.

      • Sounds like what happened to my buddy when he took a .22LR point blank.

        He didn’t collapse or anything but the next six weeks of surgeries sucked. Also seems to have permanently changed his personality and thought patterns. Rough stuff.

      • When in school in the Houston area (c. 1 Million B.C.) I worked part time in a gun shop that had a Class III license… there were occasional bean bag guns that came in for sale and they had a reputation for not working as intended. Word was they’d generally fire the bean bag straight through somebody’s chest.

  4. We need to unite under the Constitution. Justice and liberty for all. Equality for none! The idea of equality is a communist pipe dream. It’s unrealistic. We can bring accountability to police brutality. That won’t change the fact some people hate America regardless what is done. Some people need a spanking.. but no Cop should fear for life going to work. No American should fear cops will kill them on the street. Let’s fix that issue. As for the rest of these communists and racists. Justice and liberty will squash their wasted thoughts and foolish nightmares. Justice and liberty for all! Nobody is equal, nobody. No two whites no two blacks no two anyone are the same with the same experience so equality is an English word being used inappropriately. The fact that 1/7 people can not comprehend past a 3rd grade reading level, exemplifies these facts.

    I wrote this on a phone forgive my grammar and spelling.

    • Exactly. No two entities above the molecular level were ever created equal. Universal human equality is not only NOT a fundamental and self-evident truth; it is the most self-evidently preposterous falsehood imaginable, which no rational person who has ever taken a test or played a sport could possibly believe. Certainly not the Founders, who created a Republic to preserve their freedom to excel and to reap the rewards of excellence, not to force them to treat degenerates as equals.

      I used to think dogs were a good metaphor for egalitarianism: no amount of legislation could ever actually give some mangy mongrel the bloodhound’s ability to track by scent, or the swiftness of the greyhound. Then I realized, grimly, that of course it IS possible to make them all equal – by injuring the bloodhound’s nose or the greyhound’s legs. THAT [lowest common denominator] is the only equality possible, and the only one that will satisfy the mob.

      • “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

        – President John Adams

        So much of our country’s populace has abandoned moral foundations, it’s no wonder we’re unraveling.

      • There is unrest in the forest
        There is trouble with the trees
        For the maples want more sunlight
        And the oaks ignore their pleas

        The trouble with the maples
        And they’re quite convinced they’re right
        They say the oaks are just too lofty
        And they grab up all the light
        But the oaks can’t help their feelings
        If they like the way they’re made
        And they wonder why the maples
        Can’t be happy in their shade?

        There is trouble in the forest
        And the creatures all have fled
        As the maples scream, “oppression”
        And the oaks just shake their heads

        So the maples formed a union
        And demanded equal rights
        “The oaks are just too greedy
        We will make them give us light”
        Now there’s no more oak oppression
        For they passed a noble law
        And the trees are all kept equal
        By hatchet
        And saw

        The Trees

        • If you hadn’t done it, I would’ve had to. Also, for the few benighted souls who may not have heard it before…

        • Yes, during the writing of 2112, they were all big fans of Ayn Rand.

          She was quite a character, rabid atheist and preached total self-sufficiency.

          It is a shame that she could not live the lifestyle she advocated and went on Social Security and Medicare in her later years.

          Personally, I like the song on the flipside about smoking pot and hash all across the world.

          Be clear, I think the actual goal is ‘equal justice under the law‘ for all humans.

          Another thought;

          ‘A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested.‘

        • This is from Hemispheres, not 2112. (Yes, I’m being that guy again.)

          But you’re not wrong about the point of the song. Even if it hasn’t been achieved and may never be, humans being what they are, equal treatment under the law is the best form of equality we can hope for. It’s the only kind worth striving for. The end result of seeking equality of income, circumstance, or outcome is pure cruelty.

        • “‘A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested.‘”

          A gun owner is a liberal who has been raped…

  5. Man, that white supremacist wearing the sideways baseball cap and sitting on the sidewalk in the last photograph is really in trouble.

    • Hahaha.
      The Demoncraps will have one of their trolls Photoshop a MAGA hat on him, then caption the pic “Trump voter brings illegal handgun to peaceful protest, mass shooting averted”.

    • You don’t see an advocate for the Second Amendment, being harassed by the police state for exercising his constitutional right to keep and bear arms?

      You know what that smells like to the rest of us, don’t you?

        • The only crime they mention is that he was carrying a gun in his backpack.

          I’m glad to see that you are finally in favor of gun control, people should not be allowed to carry guns in their backpack and should be arrested right away, right?

          Especially if they’re anywhere near other people exercising their First Amendment rights.

        • I’m for criminal control. Would you like to sit here and debate the merits of that young man being detained based off a small caption under a photo? Who am I kidding, of course you would.

  6. The cops’ reputation is shattered by this event. I never trusted cops before, and I’ll trust them even less now. They don’t give a hoot about you, your family, or your property. They are the tools of the corrupt establishment.

    Stay away from cops. You’re on your own.

      • The problem is they didn’t respond to the rioting and looting. They should have responded four nights ago. Maybe I’m being harsh on the rank and file, the the politically appointed minority hire police chiefs are an absolute disaster.

        • They seem to get their orders from the politicians. By not nipping the problem in the bud, they passively gave permission to the rest of the country to do whatever they want without consequence.

  7. I think President Ronald Reagan is overrated. I must give him a credit for fighting and defeating commies abroad, but he did not do anything to fight Bolsheviks here at home and now we see the results. The Marxist cancer has been slow killing this country. I would start purging 95% of professors from colleges and universities and then slowly (or fast moving) on public schools and Hollywood.

    • All you need to do is cut off the funding to these fifth column “institutions.” They’ll wither and die overnight.

      As for public schools, give families vouchers and let the parents choose where they want to have their children educated. Public schools will collapse.

      • I would also start immediately with arresting George Soros , stripping him off US citizenship for collaborating with Nazis during WWII, confiscating all his wealth and deporting him to Hungary to face a trial for all his crimes. After this is done, you will see that most rioting will stop within hours because funding and coordination will seize.

    • 007,

      I’m guessing you didn’t grow up in the ’80s and personally witness/experience Reagan’s leadership. After the malaise of Carter in the ’70s, economic stagflation, and the growth of the USSR in global presence, Reagan turned this country around and defeated all three. No person is perfect, but he was the right man, in the right job, at the right time.

      • Wait? Didn’t Reagan cause workplace shootings due to his policies? Aren’t the communists smashing all the corporations right now putting a lot of blame on Reagan for their motivations?

        • Are you saying this because you think it’s what Reagan did or because it’s what the communists are saying?

        • @Ing

          I watched a documentary on workplace shootings, which were referred to as “going postal.”

          They said in the documentary after bosses started to treat workers as human resources, for maximizing profit, the workplace shootings started throughout the country and a lot of that had to do with the economic policies of Reagan.

          Yesterday, I saw youth going to Beverley Hills to smash all the big corporations and burn all the expensive cars. They attacked that area because of corporatism and profit over humanity.

          Businesses in America used to take care of their workers as family, now they treat them as easily replaceable resources. Small businesses are more down to earth and have a face to them.

        • “I watched a documentary…”

          That’s cute. I lived that decade and don’t need to watch a documentary to know about living in the U.S.A. under Reagan from 1981 – 1989.

        • You’re drawing unsupported conclusions here. There was a rash of Postal Service workplace shootings, but it wasn’t Reagan that told the bureaucracy to dehumanize the people who worked in it. It wasn’t Reagan that started corporations treating humans like disposable resources, either.

          The looters and ANTIFA and various leftists might be thinking they’re pursuing some kind of historical justice because Reagan, but that’s because they’re a concatenation of fucking morons and educated idiots.

          You, on the other hand…you’re irritating as hell, but I think you’re smarter than that.

        • Not only do you love Reagan, the ayatollah Khomeini loved Reagan to for giving him hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons as ransom to release the hostages.

        • Well, I learned that people no longer say “going postal” and that people who weren’t born yet seem to be the world’s foremost experts on everything.

        • Chief Cuckhold spouting stupidity again.
          Do you ever get tired of showing everyone how ignorant you are?
          Of course not. Leftists revel in displaying their ignorance.

        • You might not want to mention Iran Contra, all the Reagan lovers here might actually research to see what laws he and his merry band of pranksters broke when they supplied the fundamentalist Muslim terrorists with weapons with which to commit terror around the world.

      • Lol. I’m old enough to remember when the news media wasn’t allowed to discuss the concerns of protesters because the only thing newsworthy was Covid-19.

  8. Been tellin everyone since 2016 that this was coming! These morons have prepped and coached for this since the dems and Soros lost their grip on the whole government. Cut the head off the snake!!!

  9. This party is just getting started. The band hasn’t even showed up yet. Have a couple drinks & relax. It’ll get a whole lot rowdier soon.

  10. What I laugh at is that “I am Media!” Crap

    Like a cop is going to trust that you wearing the same stuff as the protesters and has only an “I” phone is NOT a protester by one “Magical” word and let you slide into his background where you can kill him or a buddy?

    Wear a MEDIA bright vest and get some REAL gear…then The cop might see ya as “media” and not ‘moron’!

    • We are all media. Freedom of the press is a right of every citizen, not a privilege for special guilds.

      And there is a difference between peaceful protesting and violent rioting.

    • You are a week behind. The media gets physically attacked by the crowd. Corporate media gets it the worse.

      I dare you to take your own advice and go exercise your first amendment rights.

      • I tried tried at Fox news…but they were all full

        Over at CNN/MSNBC I was over qualified…AKA I had a working brain!

        I hear they are looking for ya Chief…they need more morons!

  11. I have an honest question. I have seen demonstrations and riots in other countries where the police (broad term for any law enforcement agency) uses high pressure water cannon trucks to disperse the crowd. It seemed to be an effective method of moving and controlling the protesters when they congregate in an inappropriate area and need to be dispersed. It looks like it’s a better way of crowd control rather than using canisters of tear gas (which are thrown back by those wearing gas masks and gloves) or firing indiscriminate rubber projectiles into the crowd. Also, I heard that some U.S. cities have used LRAD (loud, high pitched sound) trucks for crowd control. Why do U.S. LEO agencies continue to use what appears to be “old fashioned” methods to control an unruly mob instead of these “modern” technologies or a combination of them all?

    • Two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s too bad parents failed to teach the mostly peaceful protesters and violent white supremacists this.

      • Yeah white supremacists are protesting the death of a black man and then rioting. What color is the sky in your world?

      • The United States wouldn’t exist with your logic and slavery would still be a thing in North America.

        How do you feel about the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by the U.S.?

        • “The United States wouldn’t exist with your logic and slavery would still be a thing in North America.”

          I don’t know what you mean by that.

          “How do you feel about the illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by the U.S.?”

          I was / am pissed about it. The WMD farce was criminal. “Real” republicans Bush I & II were jokes.

    • I see this as more of a by product of the illegal lockdown and putting over 1/4 of the country out of work involuntarily. There are a lot of people pissed off at all the lies spread by both the doctors, scientists and media not to mention how the Government handled this situation.

      As other have said look for this violence to increase all they needed was an excuse. The Police / Government seem to be supplying many of them. This may make the 1960s look like a peaceful time.

      • That’s because you are an idiot. The people engaged in violence did not bother following social distances orders and their illegal sources of income were unaffected. The ultimate cause of the violence is the systematic delegitimatization of the electoral process and office of the President. After a relentless attack the President the usual suspects undermined the support for constitutional government. It just took one spark to set it off.

        • So it only took 3 years to make Americans rebel against their government? Damn, I thought it takes many abuses and usurpations before people resort to putting their life on the line.

          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

          That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

          Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

        • 40 million people out of work sounds like a whole lot of fear and anger. I’m surprised the rioting isn’t worse.

  12. Cops are a mixed bag just like anyone else in any career field. I’ve known LEO’S who are salt-of-the-Earth, pro-RKBA Patriots of the highest order. I’ve also personally experienced police abuse despite being a clean cut, well dressed, small business owner and familyman who does not break the law and has no criminal history.

    It often has a lot to do with the culture within individual departments. Painting all cops with the same brush does a disservice to all of the folks busting their ass to do the job the right way, for the right reasons.

    To all of you officers out there, you have my heartfelt gratitude and respect.

    • And there are licensed physicians that are quacks, attorneys that are good people, etc. Good and bad in every single profession because we’re all human. People see what they want to see. It just gets amplified when political gain can be had.

    • You can’t get away with that argument outside the country. You can’t tell a Muslim that America has good people in it, the issue is the culture/government. The culture comes from the people, the law/government follows the culture.

  13. I was out walking my dog this morning and saw some white liberal chalk “Black Lives Matter” in her driveway. What came to my mind was a paraphrase of a Golda Meir quote.

    “Black lives will matter when the black community cares more about young black men killing each other than screaming racism at whitey.”

    • This. 100%. A few years ago I saw charts and graphs compiled from the FBI national crime database. Just under 90% of black homicide victims were killed by black folks.

      Brilliant patriots like Thomas Sowell were the real leader black communities needed. Instead they got greedy fools and leftist puppets trying to keep them ignorant and poor, working the fields on the Democrat plantation.

      • What are you doing for black Americans? All they on their own or do they have to be helped by Democrats?

        • Tu quoque. What are YOU doing to help black people, then?

          Me, I’m just a normal guy struggling to earn a living. I have neither influence nor resources. I can’t do anything about any of this, other than continue to take all people as I find them and treat everyone decently (unless they prove to deserve otherwise). I suspect the same is true of you and T-Bob, too.

          That doesn’t invalidate the observation — correctly made above — that people like Sowell who DO have real answers and the means to disseminate them are routinely ignored and actively denigrated in favor of hucksters and cultural arsonists.

        • Treating them according to their actions like I do everyone else. It is you and your ilk who treat them as inferiors needing help that are causing all the problems.

        • Ing, thanks for the follow up.

          Chief Censor… What have I done specifically to help black Americans?
          The best answer I can think of is; Paid taxes. A f*@%load of taxes as a small business owner.

          As a “Gen X” kid growing up, the official politically correct mantra was that “race does not exist”. We were supposed to try to be colorblind, ignore race. Can we go back to this?

          I was okay with trying to do this until merely being born white suddenly made me a villain, owing a debt to people I never harmed for a crime I never committed.

          I don’t owe “Black America” anything. There is no “Black America”, just Americans. Everybody is just trying to get by in life doing the best they can, hopefully without preying on, or exploiting others.

          I don’t agree with this “Reparations” horseshit because there is not one man alive today who was a slave, nor who owned slaves. What’s next? Egyptians must pay reparations to Jews? It’s history, not something we did or experienced. I wish black Americans the best. I wish all Americans the best. Why should I be monetarily penalized for my race?

          Show me one law or policy that illustrates any sort of institutional racism. Frankly I find it racist to create policies to benefit someone merely because of their race. Isn’t that just backhanded racism?

          Meanwhile every race and ethnicity has special interest and lobbyist groups with the exception of white people. Having any interest in acknowledging you are white, other than admitting some type of ridiculous guilt by genetics, is in itself considered racism. It’s pretty hypocritical, no?

          Are leftists and globalists implying white people are, in fact, actually racially superior ubermensch? If not, what’s the point of all of the identity politics for specific groups needing extra rights and benefits when race isn’t supposed to matter. I’ve known many very successful black citizens, and frankly the one thing that all of them had in common was that they were basically ideological conservatives. Coincidence?

          I’m tired of seeing people increasingly villainized for being born with European genetics, such as Universities requiring white students take mandatory sensitivity courses merely based on our race.

          Is racism okay or not? Would someone please clarify? You can’t have it both ways.

      • Those numbers are off. Cia gave them crack and guns and created situtation where they were forced to fight to the death for survival. It was like that scene in django where the slaves were pit fighting like roman gladiators.

        • Did they hold a gun to their head and make them smoke crack? White people are going through the same thing now with jobless small towns and meth. Nobody made them use or deal meth.

    • Black lives will matter when they do what I say instead of oppose me. If they oppose me then they are kicked out of the race and are simply posing as black but are not for the culture. Blacks killing blacks is much less concern then the blatant disrespect for we are seeing by corrupt police. Liberal black women have brainwashed you with fuzzy data because they are sellouts. What are the numbers on murder every year again? Drop in the bucket. All violence stems from racial crap from police. I am more worried about police breaking the law then criminals. Abuse of power is always a more serious threat because it is harder to stop. Seriously they are criminal thugs who buy child porn from the local chief. All perverts. Cops only exist to keep blacks politically and socially marginalized. I am at my ends peak. Its to the point that if trump doesnt do something I will have to hire white separatists from Idaho and Montana to serve slingshot to brown shirts in the inner city. Cant trust antifa as they are a damn joke on sticks nor the military because we called for help and trump aint pushed his got dang button. All antifa do is loot which is fine by me because they tend to target Bellevue Square and thats the libs who pizzagate and harrass everyday good folks like you and me. The Tristate militias have grievances going back decades over property rights issues and unsolved matters dealing with ruby ridge and other injustices. They have considerable skin in the game so should be noted. How come they are not showing the whites being brutalized on the news, some just trying to make their way home and have nothing to do with this nonsense by the police?

  14. Unless and until overwhelming responses by law enforcement and the National Guard put an end to the rioting, more people will die. On both sides of the line.

    This is very wrong. That’s exactly what the instigators want. They want the military to start shooting civilians/Americans to spark greater conflict leading to a war. Notice how the shootings started once the military and police were given the green light to use deadly force?

    Live by the sword…

    Having Trump call forth the Army is going to start something you wish never happened, that is if you don’t want America to fall apart. This rebellion started because of red coats. Bringing out the red coats increases the will of the people to grab rifles.

    The curfew and deadly force authorization has did what was planned: it caused more death and destruction. This is America, not China! Americans do not take kindly to authoritarianism. If you tell an America not to do something they want to fight you because that’s what is in their spirit. They have the tradition of rebellion against authority and violence. You can’t solve this with violence, that will only cause another civil war between the people who support the current state and those seeking a different one.

    By the way, there was other shootings. It appears a cop killed a 22 year old girl as he fired at a SUV that opened up on three cops.

    Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing.

    Why do old people feel an iron fist approach is going to solve the rebellion against the iron fist? Do those people want to split the U.S. in two like North Korea?

    If you think this is bad? You better hope the Mexican cartels don’t decide to roll into border towns with their armor and machine guns. A few Americans with small arms is making cops and military run as is. You think the cartels wouldn’t want to cause some chaos in America when the military and police are fighting their own people?

    Look at the 2005 movie V for Vendetta. It’s common knowledge that even makes it into movies.

    • For years ANTIFA said Trump would become a dictator and cancel the 2020 elections. Now he is calling them out and saying he is going to take over the nation with the military and dominate the American people so they never rise up again.

        • “People censor me for speaking the truth.”

          Ummm, TTAG doesn’t censor you, or any of the articulate trolls.

          Care to explain that? 🙂

      • He kinda comes off like JFK. Too bad the Dulles brothers won that war. We also lost Vietnam. I saw a 9 yo asian girl maced by Seattle people it reminiscent of napalming the asian girl in Vietnam. He sounds Presidential but if he wants to win he needs to throw that sissy talk in the trash and be an agent of change. The protestors wants change and the best way to procure that is through chaos. FLASH BANG POW! He needs to grow a pair and stop looking weak in front of the Russians. Putin has no quarrels with protestors and corona virus low.

    • without litigious repercussions the militia would quell this. the national guard will suffice and it will not take a herculean effort. essentially a repeat of the idiots caught on the bridge in dallas, over and over. but for the flaccid gov’s and mayors this would have been nipped.
      the cartels in border towns would be met with such militant fury they wouldn’t know what hit them.
      v for vendetta? you get your reality from hollywood?
      you just dropped from 16 to 15.

      • I guess The Passion of the Christ was based on Hollywood fiction.

        You do understand what social engineering is? You do know what programming is? You do understand that leftists took over media and the education system to influence culture by inserting their ideas via these areas of society?

        It appears a 12 year old is more knowledgeable and intelligent than you. Your brain can’t handle the memes.

        • “You do understand that leftists took over media and the education system to influence culture by inserting their ideas via these areas of society?”

          Oh, yes, absolutely! Thay have!

          And, boy, are they ever *pissed* we’re not swallowing that shit sandwich they have been ramming down our throats.

          Keep trying, Leftists. Push harder, and see what happens… 🙂

        • Pure D white privilege, ain’t it great!

          Now, if that had been a brother, they’d a-busted his head.

          But the purty white lady gets a pass…

        • And people ask me why I continue to distrust the White Left???
          Because I know their history very, very well.

    • The military is not going to shoot innocent people if they come in, their job would be to keep the peace and restore order.

  15. I lived in Omaha, Nebraska for 45 years before moving to Arizona last fall. The shooting occurred downtown in a trendy area of bars, restaurants and boutiques. There have been George Floyd protests nearby that have resulted in some vandalism and several dozen arrests but the area has not gone up in flames like other cities.

    The Douglas County Attorney’s office has a long history of supporting legitimate self defense. They don’t nitpick the evidence looking for an excuse to prosecute the victim of a criminal attack who has shot his assailant. In this case, several punks thought a businessman and his father would be easy targets. They were wrong. See for details.

  16. Defending yourself and your stuff is great. But, there will be no real security until somebody other than Antifa and #BLM controls the streets. The cops won’t do it, the Guard can’t do it, and the military will overdo it.

    Now you see why the Founders wanted every adult male to be a member of the militia. And you also see why the G and the media hate militias.

    • The Guard can do it. But the democrat governors don’t want peace. This is about getting Trump out of office. Making parts of the country under democrat party control as miserable as possible before the election.
      From them is easy to take away the 1st amendment. But the second amendment is another matter. Thank god for the founders.

  17. First they said George Floyd died of asyphxia, then said he had a nearly severed neck trying to make comparisions to Freddie Gray, finally they said he died of cardiopulmonary arrest. They keep changing thier story. For all we know the government and media is lying. Also his brother is illuminati confirmed so his word aint shit. He doesnt care about his brother let alone black people. Further businesses are being looted, where is Trump with the troops he promised? Our guys are out there alone without support bravely defending stores. They need assistance pronto!

    • “Also his brother is illuminati confirmed so his word aint shit.”

      Oh please, this is just too good! And just what source or evidence do you have to back up your claim that his brother is “illuminati confirmed“?

  18. Given the context of the past 90 days, it’s difficult to know who to root for. Best case scenario, we’re left in a world without either group when the dust settles.

  19. I don’t know how the military or National Guard could stop these riots because there aren’t enough of them to go to every major city.

    • All you need is a few squads of 11B’s and a few sniper teams. They would put an end to all of this very fast. It worked in Somalia. It stops the mobs. With much less killing. But very accurate killing.
      But leaders must be willing to do it. And support it after it’s been done.

    • It will stop when they try to loot or burn the wrong home or business, full stop.

      If the government or police won’t stop it, “We, the People,” *will*.

      Do you feel lucky, rioter?

  20. Enough is enough. If someone attacks you, threatens you with violence, attacks your property or family, you should have the right to blow their head off with no possibility of conviction or civil suit. F–k this sitting on your hands while people ravage our communities.

  21. Mamas don’t let your babies grow up to be looters,
    ‘Cause their P.O.s drink beer as they watch the evening news.
    And, as sure as sin, your baby’s mug they’ll pin.
    Then, your baby ‘ll be a spot on the news.
    Mamas don’t let your babies grow up to be looters.
    They’ll be on the run, and will always die young.
    Courtesy of ole Mr. Mossberg.
    Mamas don’t let your babies grow up to be looters.
    Cause the good guys are armed and are shooters.
    If your babies loot, the good guys will shoot,
    and your babies won’t grow up to be tall.
    Mamas don’t let your babies grow up to be looters.

    It’s a choice. Choose wisely. Sadly, no history of success there.


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