How’s that “compromise” thing working out for New York gun owners? A press release (after the jump) reveals that Empire State anti-gunners are looking to “build” on the “historic” NY Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act’s (NY SAFE Act) “widely popular provisions.” Specifically, they want to enact MA-style Child Access Prevention (stored guns must be rendered inoperative), Unicorn-based cartridge ID creation (i.e. microstamping), One Gun A Month purchase limits, ten-day waiting period for firearms purchases, immediate firearms confiscation during domestic abuse calls (without due process), a ban on 50-Caliber “Military-Style Sniper Rifles,” requiring gun dealers to call the cops for failed NICS background checks, and background checks for gun dealer employees. Strangely, outright confiscation was not mentioned . . .
On the first anniversary of enactment of the historic NY Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act (NY SAFE Act), Leah Gunn Barrett, Executive Director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence (NYAGV), Assemblymembers Michelle Schimel and Brian Kavanagh, Co-Chairs of State Legislators Against Illegal Guns-NY (SLAIGNY), and other legislators (below) released a comprehensive state legislative agenda for 2014. The legislation proposed for the new session that began on January 8th is designed to build upon the NY SAFE Act, which was sponsored by Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Senate Majority Co-Leader Jeffrey Klein and signed into law by Governor Andrew Cuomo, and to maintain New York’s role as a national leader on sensible gun safety laws . . .
The NY SAFE Act included crucial and widely popular provisions like background checks on all gun purchasers, a prohibition on sales of assault rifles with certain characteristics, a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines, and other measures. As a result of these and other protections in state law, New York earned an ‘A-minus’ grade and ranked among the top 5 states in America for sensible gun laws, according to the Brady Campaign and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s 2013 State Scorecard. Notwithstanding this success, the legislation announced today would represent a significant step toward greater gun safety and raise New York’s rating even higher.
NYAGV Executive Director Leah Gunn Barrett said, “The first anniversary of the historic NY SAFE Act is an important moment to take stock of the great progress New York has made and the important work yet to be done. NYAGV and SLAIGNY will continue to work this session with the legislature and Governor Cuomo to keep our citizens, and particularly our children, safe from gun violence. We are confident that New York will continue to show other states and the federal government the way forward by passing common sense gun safety measures that will save lives.”
SLAIGNY Co-Chair Assemblymember Brian Kavanagh said, “While some seek to go backwards and undo the SAFE Act – and make it legal once again, for example, to sell guns to strangers with no questions asked, or to have guns with 30-round ammunition magazines – we’re taking our next steps forward to prevent gun violence without undue restrictions on responsible gun owners. With NYAGV, Assemblymember Schimel, and our colleagues and allies working together, I know we’ll succeed in building upon last year’s great achievements.”
SLAIGNY Co-Chair Assemblymember Michelle Schimel said, “As long as children and innocents are murdered with illegal guns, we cannot stop. Our moderate voices for sensible gun laws will not be silenced.”
NYAGV and SLAIGNY’s 2014 Gun Safety Priorities include:
– Child Access Prevention: Require the safe storage using a gun safe, trigger lock, or secure gun cabinet when a gun is not in the immediate possession or control of the owner, to prevent improper access and unintentional shooting, particularly by children.
– Microstamping: Require all semi-automatic handguns sold or delivered in New York to be equipped with a feature that imprints a unique code onto the shell casings every time a gun is fired, to assist in solving crimes and deter straw purchasers and gun trafficking.
– One-Gun-a-Month Limit and Waiting Period for Purchases: Limit buyers to one handgun a month to reduce straw purchases and trafficking, and require a ten-day waiting period before a purchaser takes possession of a firearm to give law enforcement officials sufficient time to perform a bakground check and help guard against impulsive acts of violence.
– Protection for Domestic Violence Victims: Empower emergency responders to remove firearms from the scene of a domestic violence dispute.
– Ban on 50-Caliber Military-Style Sniper Rifles: Ban the sale of certain .50 caliber rifles with very high power and long range, in the manner the SAFE Act banned the sales of assault weapons with certain features.
– Better Use of Background Checks. Require dealers to report to law enforcement when failed background checks reveal that people have attempted to buy guns they are prohibited from owning. Require gun dealer employees who handle weapons to pass background checks.
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence Legal Director Julie Leftwich said, “The Law Center’s experience tracking state gun regulations nationwide has demonstrated that strong gun laws can and do make a difference. The 2014 legislative agenda announced for New York includes a variety of common sense measures that will help reduce the firearms-related deaths and injuries that needlessly occur in the state each year. We applaud the efforts of Assemblymembers Schimel and Kavanagh, as well as those of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, to make the state’s already strong gun laws even stronger.”
Dan Gross, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said, “We look forward to working with our partners from New York to build upon the historic New York SAFE Act that strengthened the background check system and other gun reform laws in New York. New York has earned its ‘A-minus’ grade, ranking in the top five states with the strongest gun laws, but there is more to do to save lives. States like New York are sending a message to Congress that it’s time to pass policies, like extending background checks to all gun purchasers, that the American people overwhelmingly support.”
Senator Ruth Hassle-Thompson said, “The NY SAFE Act of 2013 was unparalleled in terms of its comprehensive measures, and it is imperative that New York State continues passing gun control and safety legislation following in the same path. As members of SLAIGNY, my colleagues and I will continue our vigilance against senseless gun violence in order to better protect the hardworking people of this state.
Assemblymember Amy Paulin said, “Today marks the first anniversary of one of the most important pieces of legislation I have had the honor to vote for, the NY SAFE Act. It is the perfect moment to applaud the work we’ve done and call for further common sense measures to protect our children, families and all New Yorkers from senseless gun violence.”
Assemblymember Carl Heastie said, “Gun violence has been a problem in our communities for far too long. Stronger gun laws will let our children and families live without the fear of random violence taking away everything they hold sacred.”
Senator Daniel Squadron said, “Last year, New York took a major step forward in passing the SAFE Act. But our work isn’t done. This legislative agenda will answer New Yorkers’ calls and fill in gaps with sensible laws – including my legislation to ban 50-caliber military-style sniper rifles and the vital crime-fighting tool of microstamping. Thank you to SLAIGNY and NYAGV, and I urge my colleagues to quickly bring these bills to a vote.”
“Last session we passed one of the strongest gun laws in New York State history, the NY SAFE Act. However, our work isn’t done. We must expand and build upon the NY SAFE Act by closing loopholes, ensuring that our children are safe, and eradicating the prevalence of illegal handguns on the streets of our urban communities. Microstamping, better usage of background checks, and child access prevention are just a few ways to ensure such safety. During the 2014 session I will continue to work with my colleagues to advocate for stronger gun legislation,” said Reverend and Assemblymember Karim Camara.
“While the passage of the NY SAFE Act was historic, it certainly wasn’t the end of our efforts to improve gun safety and end gun violence in New York. Our comprehensive agenda, if enacted into law, will save many lives. Some of these bills have already been passed many times by the Assembly – 2014 needs to be the year that the Senate, Assembly and the Governor all come together in support of these common sense bills,” said Assemblymember Jeffrey Dinowitz.
Assemblymember Ellen Jaffee said, “In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre and the murders of first responders in Webster, the Legislature and Governor Cuomo took bold steps to pass the historic NY SAFE Act. The proposed legislation is a critical next step. As a longtime advocate of sensible gun laws, protecting the public’s health and safety remains a top priority. New York must continue to lead the nation in passing common sense gun laws. We owe it to our children, our families, our communities.”
Senator Michael Gianaris said, “Passing the SAFE Act established New York as a national leader in the fight against gun violence, but there is always more to be done to protect our children and our neighbors from the dangers of illegal guns. In order to continue leading the way on gun safety, we must pass common sense measures that would require stronger, more effective background checks and waiting periods between gun purchases to reduce straw purchases and illegal gun trafficking. I have fought for these sensible gun safety laws for years, and I will continue to work hand-in-hand with SLAIGNY and NYAGV to make our streets as safe as they can be.”
“While the SAFE Act was an enormous victory in the effort to protect New Yorkers from gun violence, and I am proud to have sponsored five of the bills at the heart of that milestone legislation, there is still a great deal more that absolutely needs to get done,” said Senator Jose Peralta. “Thank you to Assemblymembers Schimel and Kavanagh and New Yorkers Against Gun Violence for your tireless work in keeping this critically important issue in the public eye.”
“For too long, the gun lobby has protected gun owners from being liable for unintentional gun-related deaths, including negligent shootings of children,” said Wendy Szymanski, chapter leader of Greater NYC Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. “The NY chapters of Moms Demand Action are proud and eager to work alongside NYAGV and SLAIGNY to push for legislation that will change our culture and protect our children.”
[h/t One If by Land1776]
Cool video…stuff like this pushes me closer and closer to setting up a trust and getting some NFA goodies on the way.
Nick,
The bolt on Ruger Mark III’s and 22/45’s should be dropped by “slingshotting” the bolt, not by the slide release. You’ll eventually (15000 rounds or so) wear it out, and the bolt will not lock open after the last round. Go ahead, ask me how I know. I’ve got a new slide release on the way from Ruger to fix the issue on my Mark III Hunter. You’ll have to put a LOT of rounds through it before you actually wear it out, but it will happen.
I keep seeing this gun referred to as “the .308 version”, but technically the barrel is stamped 7.62 NATO. As I understand, pressures from the .308 Win round are higher than those from 7.62 NATO, and it’s not recommended to fire from those guns. Do we have confirmation from Mossberg that this will chew through .308 okay, or is it limited to the 7.62×51 NATO round?
Gee, but I though Dick Metcalf said we could find common ground and compromise. That if we’d just give up a few feet the Grabbers wouldn’t take a mile.
What total non-sense. No compromise!
“While researching existing laws and crime statistics in all 50 states I came to an inescapable conclusion: Gun control had essentially zero effect on reducing crime — for the simple reason that criminals by definition didn’t obey those laws. Mostly, gun control laws created a new class of criminals: ordinary citizens who ran afoul of them. I saw it not as a political statement, just a fact” – Dick MetCalf
Ahh Ahh Ahh Not So fast! QuHomo (Gov of NY) Is Sh#tting on himself because he’s up for re-election. His numbers tanked & are tanking because of the Safe Act & Scretney just said the 7 round limit is arbitrary. Lets see what happens when the Safe Act reaches SCOTUS. Also we have Heller 2 plus Drake v Filko or Drake v Jerejian. Like all libs they want to do the victory dance on the 20 yrd line.
This has got to be a joke on Taurus’ part, right?
The 50 cal, a 10k gun that no criminal has ever used in the history of criminals
The Seahawks are one of the few pro-teams I’ve been able to see play.
I suppose it depends on which Benelli…
Did you wear earplugs to the game? (or wish you had?)
Hey NY, how about keeping your criminals locked up? The ones on the street, & the ones in elected office.
Restore the people’s rights: No more “Free Speech Zones”, “Checkpoints”,
Restore the citizen’s rights to protect themselves.
Hey, do we need a new sentencing guideline? Like, if you’re a burglar, you will stay in prison until burglary comprises fewer than x% of criminal prosecutions.
This reads like a deleted scene from Brazil.
So here’s where the NY pro-gun groups will make their “wins” and their “stand” and get thrown a hollow bone by maybe keeping the stupid .50 caliber ban from passing. That way both sides can keep their nonsense going. The anti’s can bitch and moan about the NRA and the extremists and the pro’s can thump their chests and say “they heard us!” and the state will still be one of the worst tyrannies in the nation for decades to come.
There comes a point where you are so marginalized the system not only no longer works for you but no longer acknowledges your existence. Take GOAL in MA for example. Endless noise making, letter writing and complaining but since the entire state political structure is opposed to them they are essentially ignored. Have been for a very long time now.
When the system stops recognizing you even exist it’s time to either change the system or remove yourselves from it.
“Please sir, would you lift your boot from my neck?” doesn’t work in America in the 21st century.
I wish them the best of luck anyway. Like the spider climbing out of the toilet bowl. You have to root for him a little right before you flush.
Or help him out. Sometimes, the effort is worth getting one’s hands a little dirty.
Oh don’t worry. Elected officials win or lose will always do well after voted out. They could care less. This State is in no way shape or form going to reverse. Stick a fork in it.
Microstamping would be a moot point if we’d develop durable caseless ammo.
I wonder if microstamping would fail to make useable impressions on polymer casings?
Even if microstamping fails to make useable impression on polymer casings, the State would probably mandate miniature inkjet printers on the firing pin to print a unique code on even a soft casing. Never mind the fact that it will never be possible to shrink an inkjet printer to fit on a firing pin.
A circle of shooting buddies I was once in would regularly discharge hundred dollar debts to each other by paying with Makarovs. That, of course was when $100 was the street price for them. I suspect some of those guns eventually ended up back with the original owners.
My opinion? Vote with your feet if you want to live in a free country vs. a slave state. When only the criminals(with guns) and delusional(w/o guns) are left and the bodies are stacking up, we can say “Told ya so” and then “FOAD”.
FU Antigun crowd: you voted for it, you’ve earned it. Stay your asses in your state and stay the hell out of mine.
So much fail. It would almost take an entire book to refute all that nonsense.
Civilian disarmament proponents keep telling us that “tough gun control laws” (whatever that means) will eliminate violence. And yet countries like Mexico and South Africa, who have the “tough gun control laws” that civilian disarmament proponents dream about, are horrifically violent nations. Those two nations experience huge numbers of assaults, beatings, rapes, kidnappings, murders, and robberies … and the attackers use firearms quite often.
NO THANK YOU. I am not giving up my inalienable right to own and possess any personal property of my choosing so that some people can feel better or claim that they are doing something.
Sometimes (usually) “tough gun control laws” are actually referred to as “common sense”…
Woot Woot! Disarm the Yankees! Send your violent felons on free vacation to New York.
Well, it would make since to have everybody sufficiently disarmed for when it becomes a prison…
A-Number 1!
+1 for reference.
Bright side is that he’s putting it back in circulation rather than having it destroyed for no reason.
Again with the micro-stamping…. Some manufacturers can’t even manage to get guns that run ammo worth a damn, let alone stamp the casing.
I’m really, really puzzled as to why some folks here are attacking this guy.
He’s got a gun, he apparently doesn’t use it much, he figures it might get him some tickets to an NFC championship game (which, for those unaware, is the best possible home game ticket in the NFL). He probably has more guns, so it’s doubtful he’s leaving his wife “defenseless,” as some have suggested. It didn’t say he hated guns, or wants to melt them down to scrap, or anything of the sort.
It’s not a crime to sell or swap a gun for something else. As Snake mentioned above, it helps to show that a gun is a normal item, not an object of worship (even though some of us treat it as such). It’s a tool with multiple uses, and to some folks, that’s all it is, and that’s fine.
Sheesh. Lighten up.
Because a bunch of talk about how “enlightened” and “logical” they are, there’s enough POTG that are close minded and judgemental about trivial shit, just like with every other group. It’s depressing but I don’t see it changing, ever.
If the purpose of the Safe Act is to make NY safer where is the data that shows crime declining at a faster rate than the trend line? Reminds me of all the articles in Soviet era Pravda that proclaimed that some aspect of life had reached “The Yawning Heights Of Socialism. “
I’ve read this review 4 times now. I really want this gun. I’ve now see my third one at a gun show last weekend just before it was bought…..for $950+tax.
I’ve had all I can stand, I can’t stand no more. I’m starting a serious job search to get out of NY and into Texas. anybody on here work with a job recruiter? I can do anything from walmart greeter to manufacturing project manager. I’ll take a pay cut to get out of NY.
First I waited 11 months for a pistol permit that is borderline pointless because I can only carry at home, or “hiking, camping, hunting, target shooting” not allowed to transport it or carry where I really need it to protect myself.
then I had to desecrate my ARs by removing muzzle breaks, ditching my standard capacity magazines for diminished capacity magazines, and put on a goofy “Featureless” stock all so I don’t have to register it. but then what was the point of that? i’m already on “the list” because my handguns are registered and now i will be on “the list” every time I buy ammo…
and how long before come genius decides to match up the ammo purchase list with the gun registration and next thing you know there is a swat team at your door with a no-knock warrant on a suspected felony because you bought ammo in a caliber that does not match any of the guns you registered on “the list”.
the “new” New York sucks !
I’m an old fart, can’t get you hired, but call on me to help you understand the sea change you just went through regarding firearms.
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See someone argue with this; The Silencer Shop is in Austin. Not Kansas City, for example.
Typical blond move, lol.
Ever wondered why the SAFE Act passed and Andrew Cuomo still has a job?
Judith Felissig is why.Take careful note that she has kids.
It Hertz so good . . . .
Dan Gross wants to build on the SAFE act. This is my shocked face. He and others at the core of pushing gun control are recidivists with no chance of rehabilitation. If you don’t understand this and their incrementalist approach you aren’t paying attention.
Safe Act II, Safe Harder!
I would of returned the rifle. Then I’d be all like, “what optics?”
It’s a reasonable reaction, it’s just all about context:
If I were to get home from shooting and find an empty bag, my response would’ve been “Oh my God, where’s my gun. I think I’m going to throw up.”
Or perhaps looking in my safe after an impulse buy, maybe “Oh my God, it’s a KSG. I think I’m going to throw up.”
Or when looking over the haul of a gun-buyback: “Oh my God, a Stg.44. I think I’m going to throw up.”
Or when looking through the NY-SAFE approved list: Oh my God. A 10-rounder rotary setup for an AR. I think I’m going to throw up.”
And there’s always the shock, followed by sticker shock moment: “Oh my God. A PMR-30. In a store. I think I’m going to throw u–wait, does that tag say $750?!?! BLEEEEAAAAAGGH!”
1000
In all fairness, I used to work in a mobile electronics shop in college. Some of our customers were in the “street pharmacy” business. On occasion while disassembling the interior of a vehicle we would find a weapon.
Our policy was to leave the weapon as is, call the customer, and politely ask them to retrieve their weapon.
I know I didn’t want my fingerprints on those weapons.
Being Tannehill, I imagine this was the result of some sort of botched running back play…
Would a brief exposure to water affect WWII rifle ammo? for example, most guys at Tarawa and Normandy got soaked on the way to the beach. Were their firearm less reliable and a result of the ammo being wet?
The overwrought reaction is definitely worthy of being mocked, but shouldn’t the Tannehills be considered the IGOTD, too? Because as much as the antigunners annoy me, this really was irresponsible and dangerous.
Not dangerous; it’s only a tool and isn’t going to fire itself. *rolls eyes*
“‘Oh my God, it’s a gun.’ I said, ‘I think I’m going to throw up,’” Fleissig said.
Fleissig said she and her daughter jumped out of the car to get away from the gun.
And to think there are those on the Left who assert that there’s no such thing as hoplophobia…
Stronger gun laws will let our children and families live without the fear of random violence taking away everything they hold sacred.”
And taking away all the things WE hold sacred…. ie rights, liberty, self defense, etc etc etc. That somehow balances the equation?
Sorry Californians. Hopefully this will be setback that paves the way toward reversing some of the bullshit you have to deal with.
And given the announcement published here this morning about new legislation being proposed in NY (that includes microstamping), it sounds like the Empire State could be next.
my father lives in California and is thinking of buying another handgun (first one in 25+ years) he is under the impression that gun laws are the same in ca as everywhere else cause he hasn’t bought one in 20+ years
Love the Flex. Want another one.
Nick, I think this article sucks. You’re leaving out critical information information and specifications of these silencers and what makes them attractive. I did like hearing more info about that sweet muzzle break and the removable thread mount. My main question, which continues to go unanswered, is how appropriate is this can for a semi-automatic rifle? In particular, a very accurate semi-auto?
Because this article fails to include comparison to competitors that showcase it’s strengths, I’m copying verbatim below my comment from the other low-information TTAG article on this suppressor, which I wrote in response to PhoenixNFA’s request for “reasons and details”, which were not provided by the article.
AAC also sells a $750 thread-mount .308 non-magnum suppressor that claims similar dB reduction, the AAC Cyclone. It weighs twice as much (11.3oz vs. 22.4oz), is longer (8.8″ vs 9.5″), and is thicker (1.375″ vs 1.5″ diameter). The Harvester is also lighter and thinner than AAC’s more expensive .308 suppressors the 762-SDN-6 and 300-TM both priced at $1195. So this new suppressor is an advancement in technology, better and more affordable. The .338 version I’m less excited about, it seems like less of an advancement over AAC’s comparable TITAN line, but it’s still very welcome and sounds like a top-quality suppressor. For a magnum like .388LM, a suppressor can be a necessity to handle muzzle blast and ease recoil. I can’t currently afford to shoot one, but I think it would be hard for myself to handle repeated .338LM recoil, and even worse to stick on a muzzle break and endure the ensuing earsplitting blast, even with hearing protection. A suppressor helps a lot with both issues.
I’m using AAC’s suppressors as a point of reference and comparison here only because they’re popular, reflect the state of the industry, and have the statistics for comparison easily accessible on their website.
You should get us a video of the firing sequence…
No, no, put your wallet away, Mr. Tannehill. Some tasteful nudes of the missus will be plenty thanks enough. Or not so tasteful. You know. Whatever.
Man that looks cool, especially the standalone version.
I think the following is probably true:
1. Ruger is certainly tired of dealing with the CA bullcrap.
2. Ruger’s sales of semi-autos to CA are not a big part of their revenue.
3. Demand for Ruger semi-autos outstrips their ability to meet it.
4. Any potentially lost sales in CA will likely be made up in other locales.
5. It’s helpful to poke at the idiotic requirements coming out of the CA legislature and makes a convenient explanation for their actions.
Ruger is a very, very successful manufacturer. Their management team is first rate. They very rarely make stupid or self-destructive moves. And the end of the day, they will never say, “We simply didn’t need CA to be even more successful,” though that’s what their numbers probably show.
I don’t see the blast shield. What am I missing?
Why is an NFL QBs wife driving a rented Nissan Rogue?
“‘Oh my God, it’s a gun.’ I said, ‘I think I’m going to throw up,’”
Nobody that stupid should be allowed to reproduce.
About to throw up? Seriously? At the mere sight of and proximity to a firearm in the trunk? Get some help, little girl. God help her if anyone ever explains the physics of automobiles to her or shows her the injury/fatality stats. Good grief.
Turns out hoplophobia is a real thing. And here I was all this time thinking it’s just a snarky remark we sometimes make.
What I want to know is where her father is. There’s a reason that two parents are required to create a person, as each gender has much to impart upon their child beyond mere conception. This kid is clearly lacking some very basic coping skills.
That one hole seems to be what everybody is asking about this. How did MD PD know that he was a gun owner? NSA?
Also, if it was Transit Authority, was he on a toll road?
What is black and white and red all over?? The new TAPCO AR with blood all over it! CHILDREN’S BLOOD!!! This was said with sarcasm.
unless you have a “less than .22” restriction, no.
223 is cheaper, easier to find, and more powerful.
5.45 even more so.
“It doesn’t actually mounted to a gun” . Is that so?
I like the dude in the background of the first picture pounding down an energy drink. I’ve never been to SHOT but I imagine I’d be living off those by the later days 🙂
Truthfully, the provision that requires dealers to report a failed NICS check makes sense. It is a crime to attempt to purchase a weapon when you are ineligible, and out of the steaming pile of cow manure that is this proposal, that facet stands out as enforcement of laws already on the books.
What ever happened to the newyorkers refusing to register their mag and guns. I haven’t seen anything about it in a long time
They’re probably having a Mexican standoff and there’s an LSM blackout because the PTB don’t want the sheeple to know that large-scale civil disobedience actually works.
Oh that’s where you’re wrong, Rich. The Nevada stand-off proved that anyone who resists the government is a racist, which therefore justifies everything the government does or will do.