Our gun-averse friends at nj.com have all the details of the gruesome attack above. A TTAG reader emails: “Just a thought…but if the ‘trained’ police had to shoot these dogs a total of 10 times, how many times would it take a lesser trained citizen? Furthermore, what if said citizen were only allowed to have a seven-round mag?”
A law-abiding citizen restricted to seven rounds? As if! Oh wait . . .
Good on those bystanders for doing everything they could to help the person on the ground. Lots of people would have just stood there.
Except for the dude with the cell phone. I guess he’s “supervising.”
I couldn’t help but wonder what in the entire f**k the guy with the cell phone is doing video taping and yelling “HELP HER! HELP HER!”
Uhh, bro, you could drop that camera, get the hell out of your car, and help the woman. Why is it video taping is the automatic thing people do in a situation like this, instead of helping the people in need? I’ll never understand that.
I won’t videotape if something like that happens, mainly because the camera on ny cellphone doesn’t work.
Not only did the dude not get out of the car……but he drove away. What, did he have warrants or something?
Most of us, including those who are anti gun know what would happen, but in many of the anti-gun people case they just don’t care. They have it in their mind guns are evil, only the overlords should have them, that we the people are too stupid and lack dexterity to even try to hold a firearm.
Got a problem? Call for government. Government doesn’t arrive in time or doesn’t want to help? Ask again, but this time more nicely. Want to vote someone out and they refuse to leave? Ask them nicely again. Corrupt police officer? Well tough cookies.
Anti-gunners remind me a bit of those who think vaccines cause autism. They don’t care about the facts, or the real dangers that are involved when people are denied/scared away from protection. They just want to feel good and defer personal responsibility. They fail to see the fail that is involved when government issues everything. Food, security, housing, and freedom all at a politicians whim.
This is more about dogs, truthaboutdogs.com, than guns really. Real shame this had to happen. This is why I avoid larger dogs when walking my small Yorkie as big dogs are just naturally aggressive and would see smaller animals as a snack.
As a former letter carrier in fort Lauderdale, I avoided all large dogs, especially Pit Bulls and Dobermans.
Avoid dogs? Really? Which of you can run 30 mph?
Avoid by walking away or going the opposite direction if I see a large dog.
I’m not meaning to be condescending in saying this, and I hope that it works out for you, but when dogs get loose they are a whole lot faster than walking pace. The poor lady in this video may have tried walking or running away.
Your avatar makes it look like you have a plan B if avoidance doesn’t work. I’ve pepper sprayed several dogs, and thankfully I’ve never had to shoot any.
Dobermans? As a general rule, most of today’s Dobermans that are family pets are no where near as dangerous as some Pit Bulls, Boxers or even Dachshunds. Go to a dog show and talk to their breeders. You’ll find they’re highly intelligent and very loving dogs. Protective, yes, but not the dreaded killer people think. Dachshunds, on the other hand… ouch.
I beg to differ. I’ve had three Great Danes and three Mastiffs. They are both friendly and gentle and love people. To generalize like this is irresponsible and a disservice to giant breed dogs, most of whom have a wonderful tempermant. Blame the owners who didn’t keep their dogs in the house or yard. Blame the owners for not properly socializing the dogs. In the end, they get off easy while the dogs end up dead and the victim suffers bodily and emotionally. However, I agree that anyone whose activities puts them near many dogs (like a mail carrier) on a regular basis should not take chances because sooner or later some dog will be aggressive towards them.
English Mastiff-owner, myself. Gentle as can be with both humans and other animals. And that is the norm for the breed and most giant breed dogs. Shouldn’t people on this site be adverse to assuming “facts” because they seem to be “common sense”?
I don’ think anyone is trying to demonize dogs. There are certainly many dogs that are loving and wouldn’t hurt a fly. It is undeniable, however, that some dog breeds are naturally more aggressive or have a stronger instinct to bite and shake. Unlike guns, dogs actually have a will of their own and can act without consent of their owners. So in some cases the dog can be to blame.
Even in with the best dogs bad things can happen, especially when kids are involved. Earlier this week a child my wife teaches was attacked by her family’s dog because she pulled its tail (she is 3 yrs old). The dog turned sunk its teeth into her head, pulling a large portion of her scalp off her skull. Her parents were in the room with her but it happened so fast that it was over before they could do anything. Thankfully she got stitched up and is ok, but it remains an example of how volatile animals can be when their instincts kick in.
All that to say, placing blame in these situations is very complicated.
“Her parents were in the room with her but it happened so fast that it was over before they could do anything.”
I’ve been bitten a few times in my life, all by dogs that I knew. Nothing major, no mauling, just snaps. But there was blood. There was bandaging in some cases. And in every case it was over almost before I knew it happened.
Agree with everything you said. My issue was simply with the “big dogs are just naturally aggressive” comment, which is completely wrong. Breed, not size, determines a dog’s tendencies. And, yes, even with a gentle breed or a very well-trained dog, stuff sometimes happens.
I’ve been around all sorts of breeds and the only one that ever bit me was a damn Chihuahua… Problem with big dogs isn’t that they’re more vicious, just that they’re capable of doing so much more damage if something does happen.
“… big dogs are just naturally aggressive and would see smaller animals as a snack.”
Huh? On what do you base that assertion?
“And so the disarmed subjects of New Jersey, having surrendered their fundamental human rights by electing a Democrat-controlled legislature, now recognize their proper place in the universe: DOG FOOD.”
On the plus side, Purina is making plans to open a new, meatier-version kibble factory in the Garden State!
Pit Bulls, or any other aggressive breed, can take a lot of punishment before they quit. It’s in their nature. I saw a Pit who was attacking everyone on the street take about seven pistol shots, and didn’t stop being aggresive until a load of buckshot took him out.
Pitt Bulls are not an “Aggressive Breed”. They are naturally quite timid and shy. These traits are exploited, turning their fear into anger. They are trained or neglected to be aggressive.
It’s the human who is responsible for any domesticated aggressive dog. Not the breed itself.
I’m curious how you can watch a video of a pitbull attacking a person and say that they are not an aggressive breed. I’m not aware of a breed that attacks more often and with more ferocity than pitbulls – homeowner insurance companies wouldn’t cover us if we had a pitbull or rottweiler.
Part of the reason I pack a pistol is to protect myself against aggressive dogs. The poor lady in this video sure could have used a gun for self defense.
For the record, I am a dog owner, and I love dogs. Well, I love dogs that don’t bounce off of the ground whilst yapping incessantly. I own a pure-bred Weimaraner and a rescue Lab / Beagle (cat?) mix.
Accur81
The top 3 biters are Dachshunds, Chihuahuas and Jack Russell Terriers. My family has had several incidents with Jack Russells leaving their yards to come after us, one resulting in a $1500 ER bill for my then 7 year old son.
Yes, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers account for the most deaths by dog attack, but not because of some mythical inbred killer instinct. Pit Bulls were originally bred to have enormously strong jaws and take quite a beating which accounts for the lethality of their attacks when they occur. Large breed dogs account for all lethal dog attacks. So what would you suggest, ban all large breed dogs, or certain dogs with stronger jaws? That sounds a lot like the assault weapon ban folks.
I also happen to own a Rottie who is, like ALL my dogs, of a sweet and gentle nature.
The problem here lies with ignorant and/or cruel owners who set these dogs up to be killers. If you’re going to have a dog, treat it like one of the family, not a resident of the backyard, or on a chain. They’re smart animals and if they feel insecure, will adapt behaviors and do whatever they feel they need to do to make themselves feel safe, just like you or I would.
Accur81 –
-Because as I said earlier, there is no such thing as an “aggressive breed” they are made that way, by people. Pitties were abused and conditioned for fighting due to their muscle mass and strength. Pit Bull puppies do not pop out from momma looking for blood.
Just because there is a video of a Pit Bull attack doesn’t mean all Pit Bulls are by default, vicious.
You can find videos of all manner of dogs attacking people, hell, even cats. So they must all be aggressive breeds, right?
Seriously, how faulty is your logic, especially on a site like this, where we constantly discuss, and defend the rational law abiding concealed carry holder which all the anti-gun liberals think are just as dangerous as criminals with guns.
Criminals with guns hurt and kill other people, they are human, so all of us gun owners are apparently an aggressive breed. Isn’t that the exact type of illogical point of view we argue against every damn day?
Been around large breeds all my life, owend them, trained them, never met a dog that was born vicious, EVER. I currently own a Pit Bull that is as dumb as the day is long. There must be a dozen or more just in my neighborhood, and they are all sweet as can be and great with the neighborhood kids. Big surprise, as the owners both raised and treat them well.
As mentioned by another here, the top biters are all small breeds. Still, the reason for this is bad training by owners all around
Ferg, I don’t watch the 11 o’clock news or read a local paper: MSM doesn’t have much affect on me. But whenever a report or study comes up on dog fatalities, American Pit Bulls are very high on the list. Our local (Philly) Childrens Hospital kept a long-term account of dog bites by breed. Pit Bulls were way at the head of the class. As 2 to 3 % of US dogs, they cause more than half of dog-attack fatalities. As for purpose for which they were bred, you can look in the AKC listing, or just check Wikipedia. The dogs are a cross intended to keep “working” despite wounds and/or pain. As working dogs they have a one-owner loyalty, and despite owners’ beliefs statistically attack young children in their own household frequently and seriously compared to any other breed.
Mr. Bob,
I’m not advocating banning any dogs, or creating any new taxpayer funded programs with unnecessary regulation , I’m just being realistic that Rotts, German Shepherds, Pits, etc. can constitute a lethal threat. I have some experience with this, as I’ve snared dogs running loose. I’ve drawn down on dogs, but thankfully have never shot any with anything other than pepper spray.
I advocate responsible concealed carry with full capacity magazines. I love freedom, but with freedom comes responsibility. Whoever had these dogs on the loose was negligent, and I hope they see the inside of a jail cell. I take that negligence seriously. I’m not bashing any breeds, except the yappy ones. Personally, I prefer big dogs.
Wrong. see below.
http://www.petsdo.com/blog/top-ten-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds
If there were a naturally more aggressive breed than the pit bull, sponsors of dog fighting would train that breed instead, obviously. (“No, Jack, let’s train a Labrador Retriever to fight. It’ll be so much easier than training another of those shy timid pit bulls!”) Violence in animals is a matter of genetics above all, which is the basis of, reasoning behind, the breeding of fighting dogs. I’m fairly fed up with pit bull owners walking a menacing dog, while claiming they’re darlings.
+1… Thanks, that makes sense…”Climb On” >>> Ropingdown…
Thanks for the belay, 77.
Pit Bulls are not bred to fight. The reason they are raised by humans to fight is the strength of both there neck and jaws. I am curious what facts you base your information on ? The MSM ? When is the last time you heard of another bread of dog attacking anyone ? Making assumptions based on MSM reporting and fear is about as logical as saying guns are evil because you hear far less reporting of DGU’s than you do gang bangers shooting each other.
Tim Ferg,
If I wanted a vicious attack dog, I’d have an uphill battle to train my lab / beagle to be a stone cold killer. I rarely take the MSM at their word. I have seen lots of pitbulls who looked like they wanted to tear my throat out, though. My best friend owns a pit, and they have to be careful that it doesn’t attack people or dogs.
So I guess I’m basing pitbull violence on actual pitbull violence, dog attack numbers, pitbulls growling and snarling at me, and dozens of news stories of pitbulls attacking people, including this one. Let me know when South Central drug dealers switch to Weiner dogs to protect their turf.
My Plott Hound was bread to hunt bear and wild boar yet you don’t ever hear of any lethal attacks by Plotts. I assure you a pissed off Plott hound is as lethal as any Pit Bull, Rotweiller, Doberman or Shepherd.
Yes. They are. They are, wait for it… bred that way.
Retrievers are selectively bred to retrieve sheep dogs are selectively bred for their herding instincts and pit bulls are bred for killing. Fact.
Pit bull apologists don’t get to pretend that selective breeding doesn’t apply to their pets.
Pit bulls were bred to be strong, athletic, and for their ‘gameness” which is the trait of being eager to the point of disregarding injury.
You are just as bad as any grabber there is. Animals just like people are blank slates when born and if raised properly are more than friendly. They were not specifically bred to kill. That is not a “fact”. It just so happens that a “trait” is advantageous for fighting.
I won’t be checking back with this thread. Idiot’s that think that pit bulls are made to kill are just as ignorant as gun grabbers, and cannot be reasoned with…… sounds familiar.
Joleme,
Well said….I agree 100%
No one is saying that we need to ban assault dogs, but if your tender sensitivities are hurt by the fact that pitbulls *can* be violent, then this site isn’t for you anyways. Heck, even little yappy dogs can be violent. I got bit by an ankle biter while carrying concealed, but I was never in fear for my life.
Beg to differ. 11 years of Emergency Medicine experience under my belt, and I’m confident in saying 95% of the dog bites I see are Pit Bulls or Pit mixes.
My daughter and I were bull rushed by two of them last year, and had not one of them got caught up in the fence by his harness, and the other not being courageously subdued by my loyal Golden Retriever, I am CERTAIN I would have used my 1911 defensively for the first time. Definitely the first time I ever pulled it on anything, though….should have seen the look in the owners eyes…
They call them “Pit” Bull, because they were bred to fight in pits….
Breed…..as in Breed. Look up the word and take some classes on biology (with emphasis on evolution and natural selection). Don’t be a dork.
Of course the damn ‘guetto’ dogs are aggressive.
Not saying they should be banned, but understood and treated accordingly.
My grandfather was an officer and according to him, shooting dogs dead quickly can be difficult since their heart is a small target. Coupled with their toughness and I’m not too surprised. No personal experience with this myself though.
I’ve only ever shot and killed one dog. A large shepard mix with a .22 rifle. A headshot at near muzzle range. Didn’t like doing it and still don’t, but it was me or him and he had freinds with him.
Surveys have consistently listed pit bulls as the best family dogs, especially around children. Watch Spark and our Gang movies from the 1920s and 1930s — pit bulls.
Pit bulls have the evil reputation because it’s only the mistreated ones and the ones trained to fight which make the news.
Getting your Pit bull opinion from media reports is as stupid as getting your opinion of guns from media reports.
I agree with you guys (Felix, Orion, jolem, and Tim Ferg). Funny to see people on this site use the same logic that they despise in gun grabbers.
I own 2 pit bulls and they have never been aggressive towards another animal or human. Children have come up to them before and the only thing they will do is lick them.
I also have a friend that breeds Blue Bully Pits professionally. He has probably sold about 30+ puppies and they are the sweetest animals I have ever been around. Not a hint of aggression and never heard of any of them growing up and biting anyone. He doesn’t sell them to anyone who wants one either. He get to know the people and ensures they will take care of the dog. Their price tag of 3500 also helps. Thugs that want one because rap music made them popular don’t want to spend that kind of money on an animal.
What same gun grabber logic would that be? I’m going to shoot a pitbull if it threatens my life. My Weim is a sweet dog, but is capable of attacking another dog, and perhaps another person. If my dog got loose and attacked someone, I would be responsible. If my dog was attacking a bleeding person lying on the ground, a CCW holder or police officer may very well shoot my favorite four legged creature in this world. And I would be culpable. Think they would care that most Weimaraners are friendly?
I’ve never understood people who can’t fathom that pitbulls can attack people because their dog happens to be friendly. This is, for the record, a video of a pitbull attacking a bleeding woman on the ground. A 100% legit DGU. Not a friendly dog.
It sounds like you are the ones having a hard time with reality.
Thankfully, we still have 15 round limit.
It is a shame that the dog owners weren’t given a few rounds themselves.
Shoot the Owner, shoot the Owner!
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Agreed. The cops used too many rounds on the dogs – should have saved some for the owners – or alternately they could throw the owners in a cage with vicious dogs to be carnivorously torn to shreds. One could record it with a cell phone and then send to the 55 year old person on the ground.
Justice is a blind folded woman with a scale in one hand and a sword in the other.
Wow, at the point where you can’t even afford to get a collar for the dogs… grab back of collar, lift… maybe we should pass a law?
Pull the tail(s). Pulling the collar may get you bitten.
No, the person in the video was doing it right. You grab around the hips and pull. You get a good grip and won’t get bitten. You won’t be able to hold on to the tail; fur is slippery.
A vet showed me that even a petite woman (the vet) can take down a raging pit bull that attacked a yorkie in her clinic, by choking it. She jumped on its back and put an arm around its neck and squeezed until the dog passed out.
A buh buh buh that’s ANIMAL ABUSE! /sar
Wow – what if the dogs were all jacked up on coke or something . . . . Yeah, some humans can take multiple shots and keep going, too.
Unlike humans, dogs’ hearts are at about head level, so they can lose a lot of blood, before BP collapses to the point they lose conciousness. There is also more inches of tissue to pass through. And a dog doesn’t understand that a gun means “STOP!” So, no–ten rounds isn’t lots.
I think the round limits disproportionately affect the smaller-framed, weak, and disabled who for legitimate practical reasons would choose smaller caliber arms, which are only effectively utilized with higher round count. Round limits are discriminatory.
As far as 7 rounds go, I hope NJ learns their lesson the hard way. As far as this incident goes…. Nobody else was armed, so the humans had zero rounds. Citizens that are disarmed can expect more of this, especially from their own kind.
Can anyone explain what’s happening here? It looks to me like a bunch of crack heads attacking some poor dogs, then some over reacting police. These people need to be in jail, what the hell is wrong with them?
As for the seven rounds thing, the notion itself is ridiculous, but the number isn’t that bad. Still wouldn’t want to deal with that though.
The number is bad if the rounds are any of the popular low powered self-defense handgun calibers. If you got yourself a big ole horse pistol or a Dirty Harry, then it’s adequate.
Anybody in the Garden State heard of a baseball bat?
First of all NJ=SLAVE STATE! It is no wonderthat NOT one of them knew what to do.
Second. My father raised pit bulls when I was a child. NEVER had a problem.
Third. It is the owner that is the problem, NOT the dog. Who do you see with pit bulls, blacks, mexicans, etc. Why(?) Cuzz hit be kool two habe a bad ass dog, jym.
Four. The majority of people that have dogs, need a serious training session. They are not capable of training a dog. They watch far to much Dog Whisperer, or the dumb English woman, with her “…walkies…” They never see the FAILURES.
Fife, Petsmart and petco are NOT the place to go for dog training.
Six. My background lends some expertise in what I am saying, as I went through K-9 school at Lackland AFB. 12 weeks of intesive training, which included basic training, patrol dog training, tracking, and search techniques. I worked with dogs in Washington DC. Army K-9 Corps.
People are quick to blame a breed, when it is the OWNER that should be blamed. I see see people get “cute” puppies, and then discover they can’t handle the dog when it gets to be far larger then they anticipated. Junk gimmicks DO NOT take the place of training.
I’ve had dogs my entire life and for the most part they were wonderful animals. When my wife and I first got our oldest dog, now 10 years, he was good natured, but very excitable and jumpy. We had money at the time so we researched and found a highly recommended dog trainer. It cost us $700 for all our sessions, but WE came out properly trained with the know how to train a dog.
This has served us well for many years and I can now see where the quirks I had with my dogs before this were due to my ignorance, not the breed. I’ve had everything from Wolf-Shepard mix, to Rottweiler, all the way down to a Toy Fox Terrier, (she was always nipping). I couldn’t make my present Rottie bite me.
BTW, ALL of our dogs are pound rescues, including the oldest one who had been abused and hit by a car. He’s a very loving and calm animal now.
The comments on the article are absolutely bizarre. Commenters claiming the dogs were “just playing,” criticizing police for dispatching them, and blaming of the victim. Plus, nobody can spell.
I guess I don’t know why I’m even surprised any more.
Let’s step back for a second here. Listen to yourselves. You sound like the MSM and gun control advocates. ‘Pitbulls are bred to be aggressive’ sounds a lot like ‘guns are only designed to kill’ to me. Yes, some dogs are made aggressive by bad people, just like some guns are used by bad people. Oh, and many breeds are called pit bulls that aren’t. These were actually American bulldogs, not pitbull terriers. There’s a difference. Google and Wikipedia folks, use them.
+1,000
Guns are designed to kill. Do you truly not understand the historical origins of firearms?
CZsar,
Yep, not even Pitties. Good catch.
+1000 my man. A lot of uniformed folks are using the gun grabbers playbook on this one. As a very proud owner of two great American Pitbull Terriers you uniformed clowns sound exactly like the gun grabbers. Saying a specific breed of dog should be banned because of their looks but you don’t know a molecule of true information about them. Sound familiar (AWB)??? Ignorance is bliss my friends. I have trained and socialized my dogs from puppies to be outrageously friendly and loving to people and animals. Just like you train to be a safe and sound marksmen, there are still people out there that want you to give up your guns because they think you are not properly trained or because guns are “unsafe”. Now take those feelings you have for those gun grabbers and thats how this subject is for others like myself. If you think these great family dogs should be taken from my house because of their breed, then I hope it is you who comes to try and collect them from my possession. Just like how you hope it is the very politician who passes the bad gun law is the one at your door demanding you to give up your guns. How would you deal with them? I know how it would end for anyone who wants to collect either my guns or dogs because of their looks and no crime has been committed. Now if you did your own research and not blindly follow what the MSM reports we wouldn’t be having these conversations and we would be focusing on the real problem, fixing our great nation and protecting what is left of our rights.
I know I’m not the first to say this in this thread, but it bears repeating. My guns do not have a will of their own. They do not have instincts. They do not have a genetic heritage (for better or worse). That is where your analogy falls apart.
I say that as someone who is not a fan Breed-Specific Legislation.
Perfect ending for these savage bull dogs…and to those that say pit bulls, Rots (and some others) are not in general “aggressive breeds”, you’re out of your friggen heads. I’ve been attacked by pits before – riding my bike down the street. Two sitting at opposite sides of the street across from one another…waiting for someone to come by. It was terrifying. I got away but lord only knows what would have happened had I not. There was no one around. I think Pits for one should be outlawed.
You truly believe that the dogs that attacked you were evil and vicious from the day they were born. You don’t think at all that they ended up that way from human intervention?
I almost had my face chewed off by a Dalmatian. I knew the family, the dog was neglected and never properly socialized while raised. I don’t blame the dog one bit, I blame the owners 100%.
Orion, your comment actually gets to the heart of the pit bull angers: A remarkably large percentage of pit bull owners (in my experience) convey the sense that they are happy a pedestrian is intimidated by their dog, as if “it ain’t legal for me to act that way, so here, meet my dog, he can act that way.” There was one, years ago in my town. A neighbor (which one?) shot it after years of in-your-face pit bull walking. Pit bulls are (and always have been) unpopular as suburban family dogs. I have never seen a quiet middle-aged couple walking one. I have never seen one in the field helping drive or fetch game. The percentage training their pits to be aggressive seems to be very large. We can’t ban the more aggressive owners, so many wish to restrict the dogs themselves. And it isn’t like gun-grabbers: There is no constitutional right to dangerous-dogs-to-intimidate-others, and strict liability does attach (where I live) to the owners.
One of my regrets in life in terms of inaction was the summer day many years ago when I was reading a book in my recliner by my open front window.
I heard my across-the-street neighbor woman and her daughter screaming. I looked up to see their very large husky mix attempting to tear the husband’s throat out.
The dog was as tall hind-legged as the man. He was fighting it off but was getting his forearms crunched and bloodied.
I pulled on a pair of pants over my jams, grabbed my .45 and tore out across the street. The fight was still going on. But before I could get an angle with the .45 (a Webley stoked with hot semi-wadcutters) I saw the faces of their kids watching me in horror about to shoot their beloved pet.
I folded like a cheap tent, tossed the revo into the bushes, and helped the wife grab the dog’s leash long enough to tie it to a fencepost and then drag the man away.
My then-wife was a petshop owner; I took a bottle of their dog tranks, stuffed 25 big ones into a hunk of ground beef and tossed it to the still-frothing husky.
20 minutes later it was still conscious enough to snap at me as I used the leash to drag its carcass into a travel cage from behind.
It took two large hypos from the vet to finally kill the damn thing on the operating room floor as we both stood on it.
The man spent over a week in the hospital and lost a month of work as an electrician.
Another snap and his trachea would have been finally laid open.
If this ever happens again, I’ll be running the trigger fast and hard.
Just had to get that story off my chest. It still gives me the willies.
The video brought it back.
WPZ, you had seconds to make your choice. And if you had run the trigger you had a victim tangled with the target and the woman and kids close too. Sounds to me like you made the right choice. In my case I was alone with no fear of hitting any innocents.
Hope neither one of us has to make that choice again. I love dogs myself. But if it come to a person or a dog, the person comes first.
I have had the unpleasant task of having to shoot dogs several times. Their bodies do not have the mass to open up bullets and transfer energy properly. Mostly they just bleed out, and very pissed off about it, when shot with a handgun round. Only did it once with a shotgun and it was instant light switch off for the dog. Poor little fellow was raised in a house for fighting, it was suspected it had never been out of the basement before, and when it did, it went sh*t crazy on some kids, manged one up pretty bad. Still haven’t found out who did that to the dog….cruelty, nothing more than that.
I once started to pet a nice dog that was chained inside to a wall & the owner said “don’t pet my dog”. I didn’t understand that he was trying to make it mean. The dog came up to him for some affection & he crushed its ear with his hand. I tried to report this & nobody wanted to do anything. As has been mentioned, they are what they are raised to be, Randy
Let’s at least acknowledge the part where the Gov. Sandwiches gun safety study specifically mentioned that lower capacity magazine limits had little to no effect on gun violence, and therefore was NOT a recommendation to further reduce the already reduced number. Currently, that’s not on the table. As a New Jerseyan, I will honestly admit that it will probably happen eventually. But for the immediate future, not so much.
Also, I’ve personally seen a local police officer miss 3 shotgun blasts on an injured deer from a distance of approximately 8 yards. And I have a pistol range set up on my property, where I summarily out-shot an active duty NYC officer. So nothing about this article surprises me in the least.
Wow,Freakin Wow.A bunch of Urbanites trying to figure out that being a dog owner and treating a dog like a wild animal will some how blend.Oh by the way,screw NJ.
Since when did dog = human?
A friend of mine stopped a car on traffic that had a male driver and a pitbull inside. As he approached the car he heard the driver yell a command as he opened the door. The dog jumped out and ran toward the officer snarling. He drew a 9mm and fired once, at which time the dog turned and ran back and got in the car.
When I arrived as backup, the driver was cuffed and the wounded dog was sitting in the front seat looking kind of wild eyed. Obviously the bullet had not hit anything vital. He had an entry wound in the left chest and an exit wound behind his left leg, but didn’t appear to be in much distress. We called animal control who took him to the vet. The vet patched him up and said he would be fine, and the city paid the vet bill. No one blamed the dog, who was obviously just following his master’s command, but, this particular pit knew when to quit.
Would have been real justice if the pit hauled his wounded self back in the car and chewed that dudes johnson off for getting him shot.
To say that it’s always the owner’s fault and never the dog’s is nothing but Walt-Disney utopian fantasy. If only that were true. Last year when I was looking for a dog for my wife I looked at a beautiful pure-bred Great Dane, about as peaceful a breed as you can get. Unfortunately, this particular dog was born a coward and when he was frightened he protected himself by acting aggressive. He had nipped one of the children and was considered a menace by his groomer.
The owners were not skilled dog trainers, but they provided a loving home and spent a lot of money creating a physical environment which allowed the dog to live a happy life without being a threat to outsiders.
After several sessions with the dog and a lot of research, I thought it would have been possible to rehabilitate him, but at terrific cost in time and responsibility. I don’t like to think of him because I might have been his last hope. He has probably been euthanized by now.
Learning how to handle a firearm responsibly is something an idiot can master in 15 minutes. Learning to train a live animal with a will of its own to behave in a safe manner is all circumstances is the art of a lifetime, and it is well beyond a significant segment of the population. There are dogs that are genetically predisposed to be more of a challenge than most dog owners can meet.
Maybe its time for legislation to limit NJ dogs to 7 teeth maxium? They can actually keep up to ten but if they use more than 7 for eating or biting then its a felony…They have until June to have the extra teeth pulled and turned into the police or sent to a dog out of state……If we can just save one kid.
All this discussion over whether there are aggressive breeds, if it’s the owner’s fault, if you should become dog whisperer if a dog runs at you or run away… it doesn’t really matter to me one way or the other.
If a particular dog that is large or strong enough to do damage, that I don’t know, with no owner attached comes at me, it is dead. The end. And I like dogs. But I’ve defended myself against them.
All the pontification and puppy psychology is on the owner. I didn’t choose to interact with their dog and I’m not about to help them train it.
Other than trial and error maybe.
Isn’t the real issue here OWNER RESPONSIBILITY? When an owner fails to control their dog–any dog–and it menaces or attacks someone, its exactly the same as leaving your gun loaded on the sidewalk for kids to play with.
When that happens, the breed of the dog is as irrelevant as the caliber of the gun on the sidewalk.
I like dogs, even though we dont have one now, but I’ve been menaced by many and bitten by several of them. None of them were on a leash, but every godd@mned one of them was somebody’s “wonderful friendly family pet who would never hurt anyone.”
The perceived friendliness of an unleashed dog is also just as irrelevant as the caliber of the loaded gun you leave on the sidewalk. They’re intelligent animals with a measure of free will, and you can’t predict exactly how they’ll react to strangers or especially to other dogs. If you love your dog, train it and keep it controlled on a leash or in a fenced yard.
Dog owners must be 100% responsible (and liable) for what their dogs do off-leash. Period.
I once got “attacked” by a pit bull who jumped into my car when I opened the door ( I obviously didn’t see him before I did so), and wrestled with me for many, many minutes before i could finally shove him outside. He was amazingly strong. I was lucky to get away with the severe licking I received, and being whacked by his wagging tail. I had to laugh afterwards. Two other pit bulls who jumped close by my head over a 6′ high fence (there were warning signs) were less amusing. I would have felt safer walking through a field of land mines.