There’s no denying that the BAR is a dead sexy design. And if not sexy, then at least iconic. The guys at Ohio Ordnance Works realized this and have re-engineered John Browning’s iconic design for the modern age. The new design knocks a whole bunch of weight off the gun, increases the cooling capability, and makes it more accurate. They say that it’s 1 MoA all the way to 1,000 yards, but we’ll need to test that out for ourselves.
They’ve also re-engineered the magazines to have a 30 round capacity instead of 20, which is nice. The whole package will retail for $3,600 sometime in Q2 of 2014.
There are 800,000 cops in America. I can’t imagine more than 20% of them are members of departments that would go in for this kind of crap. That comes out to 160,000 or so sales to motivate gun makers to agree to these ridiculous surveys.
There are (estimated) 30 to 80 million gun owners. We’re a much bigger market and need to make our opposition to this kind of foolishness known.
I need a trigger bar and a sear for my 738. Can you supply? It is a great gun!
Um yeah, that’s retarded…
Who the hell watches it? Well, me for one. Watched the men’s 10K sprint online yesterday and the women’s 7.5K this morning. Fit, good looking women skiing around in the woods with rifles? Damn right! Biathlon is a HUGE spectator sport in the snowy countries, i.e., Norway, Sweden, Russia, etc. Too bad it isn’t as popular here.
There is quite a difference between withholding permits for folks adjudicated to be so mentally ill that they are danger to others, and requiring a mental health evaluation in order to be granted a permit.
What is the due process in the evaluation system? Who performs the evaluations? Does the applicant or the state choose the evaluator? Are statistics kept on the pass/fail ratio of different evaluators to ensure there is no disparate treatment? What are the criteria for passing and failing? Is there a process for the applicant to challenge the results?
Without significant safeguards and due process, it seems to me that the requirement to undergo a mental health evaluation would get struck down if challenged in court.
Setting up a constitutional mental health exam regime would seem to me to be impractical, if not impossible. However, I am a layman.
Attorneys on TTAG, please opine!
AR wins for me in every category. It’s accurate out past 300, the AK and the 7.62×39 specifically is no good beyond 200 for even sloppy groups. These people and their ammo issues need to learn to reload, I’ve never had a .233/5.56 ammo shortage and I can play around with many different grains and loads for various shooting scenarios. The 7.62 has tons of different .30 bullets one can load but it seems most ak folks haven’t got on the reloading road. I’d have more respect and understanding of their defense of the ak if they reloaded. While ak ammo is cheaper than ar off the shelf money can still be saved and more accurate rounds can be loaded in 7.62 but most just don’t reload for ak.
AK is strictly a short range battle rifle, one can watch the videos of the Afghan gun battles in the mountains and while the US soldiers are taking down Taliban one after another there is multiple ak rounds hitting all over the place but the majority of the time the US troops are not being struck, and it’s because the Taliban are basically lobbing them in because the 7.62×39 is horrible for accuracy beyond 200 and extinct beyond 300. The AR is versatile in range it truly embarrasses the ak at every distance.
I have a .300 for my 7.62×39 ballistic needs.
The ak design is no doubt simple and ingenious, I won’t deny that, but there is a reason they are meant to chew up and spit out tons of ammo, it’s because it takes an entire mag to hit it’s target.
Nothing wrong with owning one, but to consider it a superior or even equal to the ar is ridiculous.
Well the sign is right about one thing. At least the NRA HAS values. The “Constitution State” sold theirs out a long time ago.
DBU of the day 🙂
From Article III, Section III of the Constitution of the United States of America: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
Does pushing laws that disarm the American people against their enemies (foreign and domestic) count?
Because if it does, who would be surprised that he received a “death threat”? Technically, the government (you know, that entity charged with preserving our liberties) should have said, “Now see here, Mr. Lawmaker, there’s a penalty for treason. Guess what it is.”
Somehow though, I’m sure that’s not the kind of “death threat” he meant.
Are they taking originol BAR’s and doing this? Or are these built from scratch? Also, will the new 30 round mags work in a GI issue BAR?
Ohio Ordnance makes reproductions, so I’d bet they’re all from scratch.
So since it’s semi auto only, it’s basically a really really heavy M1A? Still looks awesome and if i could afford it i’d buy it. Don’t get me wrong, i like the tacticool version pictured, but they need to make a “Classic” version though that looks just like the original.
In the sense that it’s a medium power semi-auto rifle, yeah- they’re similar. In the sense that there’s no comparison between the way the garand design and browning design function or feel, they’re different beasts. It’s like saying an AK is basically a heavy AR.
Is it in .308?
Holy God; I sure wish they made a comparable round for my Tokarev.
That is fu¢king awesome.
I believe the correct draw from pocket is thumb under spur with knuckle raised. After the barrel clears body you can quickly cock it.
There was a version that did his to 2 AKs available in the late 80’s. Of course pre ban AKs were $350 then….always wanted one…er er two!
Cool, but overpriced. REALLY overpriced. I got some Izzy 1919a4 kits from them, still haven’t built…
That was pretty good.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION
This was posted on CalGuns, and is a letter from Mile Fifer of Ruger:
Re: California Approved Handgun List
We are now being forced to retest all of our guns (pistols and double
action revolvers) as their time on the roster expires. And we are having
them all retested. But we cannot meet the micro-stamping requirement for
the pistols. These guns are passing all the tests they passed the first
time around, but there is no technology that can pass the micro-stamping
requirement, so the CADOJ is refusing to recertify the pistols and
consequently they are not getting renewed on the list. The CADOJ will not
even accept the data from the test labs that shows the guns passed every
test except the microstamping.
The net result is that the double-action revolvers are getting renewed on
the list, and the pistols are not. But we are trying everything we can to
get them back on the list.
Also, as voting members of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, we
have been instrumental in pushing them, as the representative of our
industry, to take the lead in initiating litigation in California to
overturn the microstamping regulations. They filed suit last week to do
just that.
Sincerely,
Mike Fifer
Assuming this is true, and I have no reason to suspect otherwise, I wonder if the other manufacturers are going through the same rigamarole. If so, this would, in my view, an abuse of the power of the DOJ and contrary to the laws discussed at length above that require retesting ONLY if there has been a modification to the firearm. Maybe this is pay back for filing suit against the Roster through the NSSF? After the GW Bridge fiasco in NJ, I would believe it.
Blasphemy. Utter blasphemy. What’s next, rails on an M1? I don’t understand the need to slap rails and the word tactical on every new product coming out.
Two words: Advanced Optics
It’s an ugly blasphemous abomination.
And I want it.
Ohio Ordnance has made 80% BAR receivers for years, but you would need a degree in machine shop to finish one. About 1984 I was about to pull the trigger anyway, but the parts kits dried up. Then there was a bunch of FN model D stuff on the market, but the parts don’t interchange with the BAR.
I always wanted a BAR. I think it has something to do with Little John in the TV series Combat.
Charlie
Nothing wrong with the rifle, but I prefer the original design. I’ll buy the mags if they’re interchangeable though.
Really?? Honestly it is just a gun… yes, I would be shocked when I seen it and would have turned it in. But, screaming and getting PTSD??? Honestly I doubt she has it and if she does I want to see some observations to prove it. There are people out there that go to war and return with PTSD now they have actual reasoning for it! Why are people that scared of guns anyways? They have done a study before which should be common sense but when a gun is laying there (just like this incident) it will not grow legs and shoot, pistol-whip you, nor will it go off for any reason if you aren’t messing with it!!! Now when you have a criminal out with a gun pointing it at your head and your life is actually on the line then you should be scared, screaming, feel sick, and after get PTSD. Someone also said something in the comments about what would they say to the cops if they found it? Well my question would be what were they doing to get the car searched? Some people are just ridiculous!!!
Great googly moogly!
I’ve seen 50 articles since the LCRx was announced, but NO ONE has measured or even described the feel of the single action. How light is it? Crisp? Is it an improvement?
Every one praises the DAO trigger but IMHO it has a weird unusual feel on the 38 and its awful on the 22lr version.
You had me sold,
“The gun comes either as a standalone rifle for $5,400…”
…and then you lost me.
i think i’m burned out.
That makes the FNAR look affordable.
My wallet just cried. That. is. awesome.
Believe it or not my local guy store has several of there guns and yes they look awesome.
Oh goodness a model with trigger finger in the right place! Love those grips, would look nice on almost any pistol.
there’s a young lady in that picture??
Too tacti-cool for me…
I don’t think some of the commenters know much about laws and firearms and components. If it was fully auto an ordinary citizen couldn’t buy one as per the NFA laws. The rifle doesn’t have a slide fire stock you can see the trigger assembly doesn’t have it around it. I don’t mean to be rude but I hope people aren’t as ignorant when they do own a weapon in regards to some of the posts. I’d buy one of these
I was going to comment but all I can think about now is the Delsym Video ad that just starting playing and ended insome snoopy piano music wtf.
EDIT: Oh yea, this is still so much better looking than the damn Jesse James BAR. I wonder how difficult the magazine is to change etc, otherwise seems pretty sweet. ALWAYS wanted to play with a SOCOM II or other M1A, this is like a love child of sorts.
The last .300 win mag semi I shot was a Belgium made Browning. Absolutely awsome and looked nothing like an AR. Any of you other guys remember when not all rifles looked like an AR? Anybody?
It’s tan, 30.06, 30 round mag, and I unashamedly want one. Still haven’t seen the Desert Tech bullpup price so this may be my ludicrous gun to chase for the year
The more the merrier. That said, I have complete faith that the creepier elements among us will scare her off before too long.
I’ll try to come up with some interesting post ideas.
That’s a pretty sexy BCG.
I can’t decide if I like that or Spike’s NiB Lightweight better.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll215/noodles122/IMG_1530-1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll215/noodles122/IMG_1531-1.jpg
http://www.gunsandammo.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/spikes-tactical-compressor-sbr-300-blk/spikes-tactical-compressor-sbr-300-blk_006.jpg
Nice hardware, and congrats IWI! Did they have v any new stuff at their booth? Galil ACE?
Polarizing to be sure. I want to like the addition of rails for their actual usefulness, nobody is hauling a repro BAR out for, say, hog hunting, so I hesitate to cry tacticool. I get the changes, but the baseline is so iconic, it’s hard to get past the initial shock that this is the most badass example of American design philosophy since… can I say the original GT40? I know that’s backwards chronology, but I need something to fit at the end of that thought. Try to picture Henry Ford giving Ferrari both middle fingers a la Homer Simpson in the sandbox, but instead of Ford and Ferrari it’s Browning and Hitler. Too many metaphors?
It’s like a 1911, baked into an apple pie, cooling on the passenger seat of a Boss 302, driven by Neil Armstrong, who is also eating a hot dog while listening to the Superbowl on the radio. And the pie is actually on Jennifer Lawrence’s lap.
Damn right! Best, most innovative rifle in many years. I love mine, eats the worst ammo and asks for seconds.
I want her to mother my children and bear a race of superior apex predators
One buys an optic costing more than the rifle it sits on and you won’t spend 60 bucks for an aluminum Switchview ?
My guess for the reason there were no samples at SHOT is because the new “cost-saving” levers were still on the boat from Red China. Bet ?
Think if it, used G3 mag’s, cheapest mag on the market. Wait hard to find and expensive Magpul, or surplus G3 at $1.5 to $5.00.
O’well,
I’m a member of the NRA, not an official spokesman. In my unofficial capacity I say, bring it, bitch.
Guess even as a Republican, the Cooch isn’t so keen on gun rights.
Wow! Sanity is breaking out! May it continue!
P.S. (Thread drift).The Bushes, elder and younger, were no more conservative than Mcain or Romney. RINO’s to the core, and the republican party wonders why more and more people are listing as Independent or libertarian.
Democrat or Republican- Statist large or statist medium – they are still both statist.
The “Shooting Sight” triggers are very much still a work in progress, the guy doing them even said he is giving initial purchasers a “discount” so they can try them and then give him feedback so he can “fine tune” them some more … kind of amateur hour time if you ask me.
Oh, yes, and these triggers have a 5.5-6 pound pull weight.
I’d definitely avoid his trigger for Timney or Geissele.
This from the man who thinks guns will magically appear as soon as his people are in trouble again, and that furthermore he’ll magically be able to use them despite the fact that he hates them and thus has no real experience or training.
… And people wonder why Hollywood gunplay is so unrealistic.
His definition is old and tired. He’s calling back to a “Republican” that is a dying breed and completely ignoring the existence of libertarians.
It’s generally the geriatric Democrats who accuse me of being one of those “extreme Republicans” that Cuomo is describing. They’re either left dumbfounded or assume I am a liar when I tell them liberty is the cause and I quite sincerely could not care less if you want to marry 35 people of differing genders and races or have an abortion every other week.
I think the worst thing that could happen for these people is for the old guard Republicans to finally die off. It’s easy to call up the “war on women” or the “assault on gays”. It’s not so easy to make enemies out of champions of liberty for all. they’ll be reduced to “guns are scary” and “de-regulation will kill the polar bears.” Both of which are defeated with hard numbers and economic reality.
Take all this social/bible nonsense off the table and all they’re left with is lying as a party platform showing true totalitarian colors.
It’s a BAR jacka. Who cares and who has a permit for a full auto? The fact that’s it’s a 306 cal. and with a nice super scope, you don’t have to pull it away from your eye to crank in another round with a bolt. While your chasing that elusive target. Price is a bit much. Big cal. big $?
This belongs here, because guns. (turn sound down)
http://www.viddler.com/v/953ec6eb?secret=72697502
Looks fun, sounds fun, but how does it shoot? The things cost an obscene amount for it to be a dangerous noisemaker. Though that describes most of my purchases.