FightLite Industries has teased this pistol version of their SCR Rifle on their Instagram page. Chambered in 5.56 or 300 BLK, the SCR pistol accepts standard AR-15 magazines, weighs a scant 3.9 lbs and is 21 inches long with a 7.5-inch barrel. Shockwave Technologies’ Remington 870 Raptor Grip rounds out the package. More details are expected next week during the NASGW Expo.
Yet more evidence that stupid bureaucratic descriptions of firearms features are ridiculous and irrelevant.
That looks as much like a pistol as I look like Gal Godot. (I don’t, by the way.)
Why bother putting a sight on it?
Because Gal Godot would look nice with one (or without, either works).
Gal Godot looks good without….. anything, really 😉
“Gal Godot looks good without…”
One nice thing about being a ‘Dirty Old Man In Training’ is allowing my perverted imagination to contemplate what’s under the (little) clothing she wears….
Flintlock pistols, guy, look it up some time. It is a modern variation.
I was thinking the modern incarnation of the Mare’s Leg or the M1 Carbine enforcer
Looks like a bastard combination of the worst possible features of both handguns and rifles.
But, of course, if someone thinks this is a good idea… not my problem. 🙂 I sure wouldn’t want one.
Anh, I don’t know
What’s that optic going to be good for? A holo / reflex would make more sense (unless they’re thinking you’ll holter it [then I would recommend a shoulder holster]).
My bad, that looks like a light/laser combo???
Isn’t that kind of grip really only meant to be fired from the hip? Seems to me like a laser would make the most sense.
Eye level is best. I fire birdshead grip shotgun at eye level with no problem. It’s just for range fun, but I can hit center mass @ 7-10 yards.
Looks like a gun for space pirates.
That said it’s a free market, ar!
“Looks like a gun for space pirates. ”
Not a bad thing!
Didn’t say it was, matey!
Now, if only it had a bell muzzle…
Old style Krink!
Send me one .I think a larger interchangable Barrel.For a longer RANGTHANKS AND GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Why did you have to say that? My wish list is too damn long as it is…
That muzzle device wont do squat. Its really just an oversized thread protector until your tax stamp comes back.
One of those flanged mace heads would be an appropriate muzzle device for this gun.
Make it some flavor of .458 single stack and you have yourselves a sale.
Single stack? There’s no way you’d pull the trigger more than once. Well at least once with each hand. Because then you would have not one but two broken wrists.
Nonsense. Ever fire a shotgun from the hip? Easily the best way to handle recoil, albeit at the expense of accuracy. But a laser would mitigate that problem.
What in the world are you talking about? I’m not saying .458 Lott, I mean something which fits in an AR mag, single stack. .458 SOCOM, or maybe one of the .510″ wildcats. Something hard hitting, even with a short barrel, would turn that into an exceptional hunting pistol.
There are double stack .458s?
This has my attention….
Generally pistol caliber, but yes.
Modernized mare’s leg?
Quit reading my alleged mind. Its dangerous in there…
Cool and all, but they are gouging Californians at that price point.
Exactly. There is no reason these lowers should be $600. Proprietary bolt carrier or not. If this was priced less gougey I would take a rifle version but I think this company is scummy.
The lower includes the bolt.
Custom AR bolt: $200
Custom AR lower: $400
I’m making those breakdowns up, but I think that is a fair price when viewed that way.
I’m into it. Don’t know why but I am.
Me too. I want to try one nighthunting coyotes or foxes.
I want one where and how much????
Maybe it doesn’t make much sense, but it looks cool. Kinda like the Matrix. I won’t quote Billy Crystal’s “Fenando” again, even though I very much want to.
Pfht. Of any pistol grips they could have put on it, they put the worst grip they possible could. Even the old Mossburg pistol grip only shotguns had a better grip than this. With one of those at least then you’ll have a decent grip to look down a red dot or holographic sight.
I believe the handle accommodates the recoil rod. I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the handle on this is functional and not a choice.
You got it. Notice no buffer tube guys? The carrier slides down in the handle like an semi auto shotgun.
Anybody know how that bolt system works? It looks a lot like a standard AR but somehow got rid of the buffer tube.
Looks very interesting.
It is similar to Benelli shotguns. There is a rod at the back of the bolt and spring that travel down into the stock/grip.
Makes sense, thanks for the info!
Most likely it’s a shorty bolt with the recoil spring mounted on the back, but there have been a variety of other adaptations to the AR design allowing the removal of the buffer tube, including shotgun style tilting followers (the buffer tube may be in the grip, which would explain the lack of curve.)
Does anyone know what kind of muzzle energies you’ll get from a 7.5″ barrreled 5.56 or .300 blackout? Since in 16″ barrels a 5.56 makes less ME than a full house .357 load I’m wondering what the point is. Downrange energies are probably higher, if you can hit the broad side of a barn past 25 yards, but what does this do that my 6″ GP 100 won’t do? Or is it just a useless range toy like bump-fire stocks?
Two words: Magpul drum.
As to the muzzle energy looks like around 600 in-lbs:
Foot pounds (ft-lb, or ft-lbf for foot pounds of force if you want to be technically accurate,) not inch pounds (which isn’t a unit anyone uses but would be 7,200 here were you to convert to it.)
According to BBTI, a .357 Mag carries about 800 ft-lb at the muzzle out of that size barrel, but unless Coonan makes a long slide version of their .357 1911 for you to stick an extended mag into this thing definitely wins in the capacity department.
Yep. Off by an order of magnitude … And I’m not even an astronomer. Mea culpa. Gonna benonenof those days.
False. Inch-lbs are used in nich engineering fields when talking about human scale torque as applicable by the hands… or a wrench.
In-lbs are used by every gun manufacturer for all torque-sensitive bolts and screws from grips to mounts to scope rings to barrel nuts and clamps to basically everything…
I can get 600ft/lbs out of my 3″ .357 with the full power stuff. Although I’m assuming that Magpul drum holds more than the 6 rounds in a GP 100 drum. Maybe someone should try something like this in the magnum revolver calibers. 60 rounds of .44 mag would be pretty impressive.
BTW, you’d get a little more out of heavier bullets since they stay in the short barrel longer. I’d think .300 would perform better.
I’m guessing you mean 600 ft-lbs, because I’ve seen .22 pellet rifles that can do pretty close to 600 in-lbs.
I was going to ask if there are any 5.56mm loads optimized for these short barrels. 300 Blackout is already pretty good to go in short barrels isn’t it? I thought you would get complete powder burn in a 9″ barrel.
“I was going to ask if there are any 5.56mm loads optimized for these short barrels.”
I was kinda wondering about that myself.
Not with rifle powders, but could pistol powders be used? Pistol powders for short barrels, even?
What say ye, reloading geeks?
Not just powders but bullets designed to expand at lower velocities. For the Blackout, Federal makes a .30-30 load (.308″) with a 125gr hollow point that looks just like any SJHP revolver bullet. Out of the .30-30 it runs 1700-1800ft/lbs (they market it as a varmint round but it’s got to be a devastating defense load). But I’d think it would perform well at 1500fps.
Hornady Black Ammo is designed for these shorter barreled ARs and might be something you would want to look into for this. I know that ya can get the 5.56 in gr wts up to 75 gr Interlock as well as 62gr FMJ in 223 if that helps any.
Well, this is concealable, reasonably ergonomic for close quarters engagements, and can deliver fire in suppressive or ambush busting quantities. I can see it as some sort of niche tool, but it’s a small niche, and one with other, perhaps better tools available to fill it.
It also appears to me that one could gain a cheek weld on the back of one’s fireing hand while supporting the forward portion of the weapon with the offside hand. As such, aiming with an optical sight might be very doable.
I’m not really much into this thing, but I can see where it could be useful.
As I understand it, typical .300 AAC Blackout loads are supposed to burn all of their powder charge in a 9-inch barrel.
Of most interest to everyone here, my understanding is that a typical .300 AAC Blackout load is basically the same as a stout .357 Magnum load. I want to say that many handloaders even use the same powder (and even the same amount of powder if I am not mistaken) as they use for .357 Magnum loadings.
In other words .300 AAC Blackout loads give you .357 Magnum ballistics with a .30 caliber bullet instead of a .357 caliber bullet. That means higher velocities (and hence energies) at longer ranges because the .30 caliber bullet is obviously smaller than a .357 caliber bullet. And it also means much faster reloads since .300 AAC Blackout firearms expect magazines with 20+ capacity.
.300AACBlackout makes more sense to me, but has way too many letters.
Better downrange energies no doubt, assuming that thing is more accurate than the your average foreign made snubby. In close it would be hard to beat a 158gr SJHP zipping along at 1500fps when it comes to terminal ballistics.
Also, that thing makes a Dessert Eagle look like an LCP.
.300 blk has about 15% more power per bullet weight than a .357 based on Hodgdon’s data. I would certainly consider it close enough to be in the ball park especially with starting loads. A lot (not all) of .357 top end loads would probably be decent starts for 300 blk. Please note understand the implications of powders that you use. This DOES NOT include powders that are volume sensitive like H110/W296 which are a likely way to lodge a bullet into the barrel and/or blow the gun up.
I think the “Shockwave” stock will actually have a functional role in this. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that the bolt is somewhat standard in parts, but there is a spring/buffer assembly tucked in there.
I agree with the person that said .458 SOCOM conceptually but as a reloader would prefer 450 Bushmaster.
She’s holding ti rong.
Is Ti Rong a male underwear model or something?;-)
Looks like a truck gun canidate
I want one … because reasons
Needs an AR57 upper and a Mad Max scabbard (also a DIAS)
I like that build idea
The modern equivalent of the gun Palidan carried in that tv show.
Take my money.
CNN will call it a machine gun grenade launcher silencer and then show a picture of a tank.
What’s the point? The SCR rifle is California complaint since it doesn’t have any of the banned features in addition to the detachable magazine. But “assault pistols” are defined differently. This pistol isn’t on the approved handgun roster for one, and two it would be an “assault pistol” since it has a magazine outside of the pistol grip and a threaded barrel. If you live in a free state, why would you want this over a pistol AR? There’s no buffer tube to at least get a cheek weld on, let alone be able to shoulder.
AKA “A Farewell to Eardrums”
Don’t forget, since it’s a pistol I can carry it loaded in my vehicle. If it was a loaded rifle I’d be poaching. 300 blackout likes short barrels just fine.
Or you could make a proper AR pistol with a buffer tube
Looks like it has a long movie career ahead of it.
I kind of want one…..is that so wrong?
No, it is not wrong.
REALLY COOL PISTOL, IF ONLY YOU HADN’T USED THE CURSE WORD ‘remingtom’ . I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE, AS SOON AS I CAN GET ONE WITHOUT ANY ASSOCIATION WITH remington. ! I THINK THEY’VE KILLED ENOUGH PEOPLE WITH THEIR UNSAFE SAFETY.
And the shockwave grip has jumped the shark.
Yeah, because a 12ga pump with that kind of grip is *so* much more practical than a 223 autoloader…
Let me know when they start shipping the pink Hello Kitty model.
I want one.
Can I put a bump stock on it?
Okay, but I already have an Extar556 Mk2. What does the dong on the end here get me, again? Owait. Kalistan. Sorry, forgot about you guys.
Those Extar pistols are pretty cool
Hahaahahahaahahah. Really? They’ll be available for preorder reall soon guys. Start saving your pennies. My prediction is there won’t be any preorders and they’ll have to scrap it. Looks like it will be difficult to shoot and mag changes look difficult too. Also, just my opinion, looks stupid. Enougj said. I’m sure there will be no lost love for this thing.
I want one where and how much. I’ll take it !!!!