In Russia, rail rides you! This ‘Bizon-2’ subgun has a more extensive rail network than the entire United Kingdom. Never heard of the PP-19 Bizon before? You’re not alone . . .
The ‘Bison’ was first developed in the early 1990s from the Kalashnikov platform of the AKS-74. The PP-19 is a true Kalashnikov design, and not just a knockoff, since it was actually developed by Mikhail’s son Viktor Kalashnikov.
Unlike the AKS-74, the Bizon is a true subgun. It was originally chambered in 9×18 Makarov, and has also been offered in 9X19, .380 ACP (huh?) and 7.62 Tokarev.
This video shows perhaps its most interesting feature, a 64-round helical drum magazine reminiscent of the Calico pistols and carbines of the late 1980s. Modern versions utilize twin 32-round detachable box magazines like those shown at the top of the article.
The Bizon has not, to my knowledge, been imported for civilian sale in the United States. It would be pretty neat to own Russia’s home-grown counterpart to the H&K MP5, but we probably never will.
picatinny is SO last season! It’s all about the keymod now.
HAHAHA
First exposure to this was in Far Cry 3. Pretty decent game for guns.
ya same here. not to sound like an immature nerd but i have only heard of the bison through video games.
Decent game for guns…unless you have any real life experience with them.
They pissed me off with how difficult it was to use them. And an ultimak 100 (minus stock) somehow outclasses a damned PKM in potential damage?
And a Dragunov with 5 rd mags and no suppressor attachment. And dont get me started on how you can’t mod the 1911 and AK(it even has the rail).
I didn’t care much because I mainly used the flare gun.
there is a suppressed 1911 but it’s one of those signature weapons, or whatever they call them. I never used anything which i could not suppress.
It’s still leaps and bounds more realistic than call of duty.
This is what mods are for!
http://www.nexusmods.com/farcry3/mods/51/?
7.62×25. Awesome. And in an AK platform. Double awsome. Shits and Giggles would be the order of the day. That’s a range toy I’d like.
I wish more weapons were chambered in 7.62×25, it’s a neat round.
I wish more ammo were available in that round so I could justify buying a firearm chambered in it.
Chicken or the egg, gun or the ammo?
I finally ran out of the ammo in the spam cans I bought ages ago with my CZ-52. Hard to find affordable ammo to shoot in it now.
Seconded. The tokarev round has speed, penetration, and high capacity. Still don’t understand why we don’t have any double stack pistols for this round.
Me too neither.
‘Course, it’s a Russian thing, so maybe noone else wants to build a firearm around it.
Pity, though; at the high end, it’s as powerful as a low-to-medium .357 magnum, which is one reason why I just love my TT-33.
I, for one, have had this somewhat perverse desire to see the 7.62×25 round offered in an MP-44 clone. But yes, a double stack pistol in that chambering would be awesome. Heck, I would even welcome a hi-cap 1911 as a natural progression to the Tokarev. After all, they were, more or less attributable to the same man.
I agree. I would like a modern high capacity polymer pistol with rail in 7.62×25. Also a carbine, maybe an inexpensive Bullpup
A CZ SP-01 in 7.62 Tokarev with 20 round mags would be a dream.
Too bad the only way to shoot that caliber in Norway is if you reload (or import ammo).
Have you seen how much 7.62×25 giggles cost these days?
More than Unicorn Farts…
I wonder why the drum mag was ditched. It looked more compact than that 32-rounder along with having double the capacity. TTAG reviewed the Calico and reported problems with its helical drum so maybe a mag design like that is just not sufficiently soldier-proof.
It may be that using the helical mag preempted using a vertical foregrip/flashlight combo or something similar.
Flat pan feed magazines, drum mags, helical mags, hopper feed all seem to be more complicated and prone to problems than plain old stick mags. If it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it.
Firstly, the magazines fail a lot more. Helical springs get jammed out and wear quickly. They are also a lot harder to load as the mag gets.
I think the biggest was how hard it was to keep them on your person in a mag carrier. In the space that one 64 round mag takes up, you could fit 3 30 round mags. They’re just, for lack of a better phrase, less dense.
“.380 ACP (huh?)”
It means Automatic Colt Pistol, and you’re welcome.
I think he was asking why they would make a subgun in .380 ACP.
The Škorpion VZ.61 and Mac-11 were both available in .380 ACP but they were much more compact than the Bizon.
But, it’s not made in .380 ACP, it’s made in Russia…
Stop it, you’ll give ’em brain pain.
380acp subgun is for private security use. In russia they do not allow private security to use guns of biggers caliber, than .380
Source of the pic and who makes that rail-system? It’s look nice 🙂
I’m going to guess Russia and Mother Russia.
My first set of Lionel electric trains had less railage than this Russian tragedy.
My step-mother sold of my mega-Lionel set while I was at my mother’s for the summer. The lesson was worth more than two years of college, and I thanked her for it. Briefly.
I Don’t think that’s a PP-19 that ay be a Grozna SMG. I do love the Bison wish they make a PCC in 9x18mm and be fun to use for 3 gun matches. but no importation yet.
Way too much rail.
Clearly you don’t operate…
I’d toss me dear old mum to the piranhas for a Bizon in any caliber.
Your mum would be fine, if she can swim. Piranhas are pussycats, from what I’ve read recently.
So it’d be a win-win for everyone!
Nah. Need moar. Lots moar. Make it full-on, full-retard tacti-cool.
I don’t think it’s too much. Seems like a pretty “standard” amount.
I’d agree, looks like less than the average clownish looking AR
The standard amount of rail today reminds me of the time Standard Oil Company gave free oil lamps to Chinese peasants. “Got to fill up my rails!” “Well of course you do, Joe.”
Top rails blocking the front sight. And wheres the read sight? I think thats the face the russian operator is making: “how the f do I aim this pos?”
He’s so operator that he doesn’t need sights.
Izhmash has stated severa times that they would export the PP-19 to the US as a 9mm Saiga model, with 16″ barrel, but nothing has come of it yet.
You guys even reported on it once: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/foghorn/coming-soon-from-izmash-saiga-9mm-carbine/
http://www.strikehold.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/saiga9-civilian-carbine1.jpg
Look at the eyes. Is that Putin operating?
Didn’t you hear? The Russian government has declared that “operating” shall now be called “Putining”.
Also, Putinors are required to Putin bare chested.
FOR THE MOTHERLAND!
it actually does look a little like Putin.
He’s cloned himself!
All of Russia is Putin operating. First Putin condemned homosexuality, and forbid the queens of Moscow from appearing in drag on pain of prison. Then four months later he publicly urged Russia not to remain behind the French with their Train à Grande Vitesse. So the bureaucrats quickly produced lots of high-speed low-drag rail. Is bureaucracy. Is normal.
He does have Vladdy’s eyes, it’s true.
i like how it has enough rails to start a freight train company but i only see iron sights. no fancy eotech or acog.
Good observation. And Russian guys all want German or US weapons with actual Holosights and Zeiss Victory scopes. It’s like signs for porn stores. In NYC they say “Swedish Sex Shop!”. In Stockholm, Sweden, they say “New York Sex Shop!” The only thing in Russia that interests me is blond and has a built-in caviar plate.
You could buy one of these to go with it:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BCPVEPC/ref=s9_simh_gw_p200_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1R26W7SJ7MBVZRYK406X&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846
I always thought that in a less restrictive world, an ultra high capacity full auto suppressed .25 or .32 would make an ideal home defense weapon. Say, 1200+ rounds per minute, and a 300 round magazine loaded with .25, a serial shotgun, basically. The helical magazine would be a way to get that capacity without absurd bulk.
Make it in .22 mag or .32 acp and you have a sale. I would go for .32 since it is subbsonic.
I would love owen one.
Cute toy.
Y’know, that looks like a respectable li’l machine. I’d own one, happily.
The one in the vid looked a little less like an advert for rails.ru, too.
I like it; it’s about as unpretentious as a 1970 Chevy truck.
EDIT: The next vid in the chain is far more extensive, and includes footage with a very effective can.
Mewants!
Yes, do watch! Really cool. Now THAT is a home defense gun, better than any SBR AR any day. And the can–all you hear is the action cycling. Awesome!
Yo dawg, I herd you like picatinny rails so we put a rail in yo rail so you can aim while you aim!
First off, that’s not a Bizon, it’s a PP-19-01 Vityaz.
Further more, the rails and stock are from Zenit, Russian makers of AK candy. http://zenitco.ru
” It would be pretty neat to own Russia’s home-grown counterpart to the H&K MP5, but we probably never will.”
SOMEBODY has never been to an AK build party…..
A ak pistol in 7.62×28 tok with 30+ round mags would be one hell of a set up
25.
It seems to me that given the purpose of this weapon (PDW, CQB, Entry, EP etc) having rails everywhere anyone might wish to mount something is actually useful. If you like a light on the left, laser on the right and a holo-dot on top while I like a light on the bottom, laser on the right, vertical fore grip and a red dot with fold down iron back ups we can both be happy as can be with one of these.
These aren’t really designed with plinking in mind and as such being configurable on a mission/operator need basis is a nice thing.
NEED MOAR RAILS.
Has anyone mentioned yet that this thing has a lot of rails?
I do not believe that is a pp 19 bizon. That my actually be the pp-19-01 vityaz, a submachine gun based on the aks-74u platform. according to world.guns.ru, the smg is chambered in both 9 mm parabellum and the russian 9×19 mm 7N21 armor piercing round.
The hell do you mean, nobody heard of the Bizon? I’ve heard of it since the late 1990s… Also, I certify Phil is correct, it’s the Vityaz. The Bizon, while box mags were made for it, is typically not as rail covered as it is, and is usually fed with 9x18mm Mak 64-round helical magazines, though if I recall correctly, 7.62 Tok and 9×19 versions exist.