Reader MO writes:
I have a proposal to solve the bump stock issue (and hopefully the entire gun debate) where both sides will win through an intelligent, non-emotional compromise. I propose a horse trade, of sorts.
Pro-gun and anti-gun people support legislation in Congress that:
1. Amends the National Firearms Act ’34 (NFA) and Gun Control Act ’68 (GCA) definition of a machine gun to include bump devices. I believe this definition should be narrow and concise. Possibly the language should be that a device other than the trigger, in which the trigger finger rests, allows the inertia of the firearm to reciprocate into the trigger finger.
2. Amends the Firearm Owners Protection Act ’86 (FOPA) to permanently re-open the machine gun registry and allow for a 180-day tax-free amnesty registration of these bump devices. This will allow the law-abiding citizens who currently own them the opportunity to stay legally compliant and not be deprived of their property.
This will also allow manufacturers of these devices to continue to manufacture them and sell them if they are willing to become type 07 firearms manufacturers with SOT/02 classification. This shouldn’t be a problem for the anti-gun people as it accomplished everything they say they want. Every one of these devices, from the manufacturing process to transfer would have to pass through the stringent background checks, fingerprinting, photographing, and ATF approval process.
All bump devices would be accounted for and those that aren’t would become illegal. It also avoids an outright ban that would unnecessarily infringe on gun owners’ rights. The NFA was successful in keeping machine guns use in the commission of crime virtually nil for 52 years before FOPA passed.
3. Defines an amnesty registration period for veterans and their families. Since the machine gun registry would be open, there are several war trophies that legally came back between World War II, Korea and Vietnam but were never registered during the 300day period allowed in 1968.
A lot of them have been kept in attics and families of service members didn’t even know they were there. As these service members have begun to pass, the families have inherited these illegal guns and either did not know they were illegal, or were faced with the hard decision of turning in a family heirloom to authorities, or continue to keep it while breaking the law.
4. Approves a larger budget for the ATF to allow this more stringent system to work properly. Though some may not approve, it’s a concession we must make for both those who want more firearm regulatory enforcement and for those who want faster NFA processing times.
5. Remove suppressors from the NFA. In exchange for the pro-gun side agreeing to add bump devices to the NFA list, suppressors should be removed from regulation through passage of the Hearing Protection Act.
A suppressor, by federal definition, is already considered a firearm and is subject to background checks even beyond the NFA checks. They’re simple safety devices that muffle the sound of a gun shot and pose virtually no real-world threat to be used in criminal activity.
6. Adds universal background checks. The anti-gun side is going to oppose the HPA unless we implement some sort of universal background check system to ensure that suppressors cannot be transferred to prohibited individuals.
I don’t think there is much argument among either side that these should occur to help reduce the number of firearms falling in the hands of felons or mentally ill, but we have been at such a stalemate over all gun control measures that it hasn’t been able to happen.
But since both sides would be compromising it’s a reasonable trade in an effort to keep this pact together as long as Congress passes a bill with limited scope that will enforce background checks between private parties.
7. Approves national reciprocity. Since everyone will, in theory, be required to go through a background check to transfer a firearm, that means that everyone with a firearm should be law abiding. So there should be no reason why we shouldn’t have national reciprocity rights.
It’s currently too hard to travel with firearms and conceal carry when traveling between states as the various laws are constantly shifting. It’s extremely difficult for law abiding to keep up with the range of laws governing their constitutional right to keep and bear arms. With universal background checks for every firearm transfer, and licensing systems for each individual holding a concealed carry permit, it’s a compromise anti-gunners should be willing to make.
I see this as a fair solution to the problems America is facing today concerning civilian ownership of guns. This would satisfy the anti-gunners’ drive to “do something.” On the pro-gun side it would also be be less infringing overall to our right to bear arms. It would allow those of us who wish to exercise our Second Amendment right, to have more freedom in what we own and where we can carry it.
That said, I believe that both sides are too polarized for this kind of radical compromise. Both sides would try and modify the deal to their advantage. Both sides are probably too entrenched in their respective positions to actually have an intelligent conversation about guns rights and “common sense” gun control.
For America to heal and move forward on this issue, we need to be willing to compromise and take emotion off the table. Can we do that? I’m not so sure.
Now, if he proclaimed to be a gun control activist before this, this shooting would be all for nothing.
I still don’t believe HPA and SHARE acts were bombed just because of coincidence.
6 is a deal breaker, they will use it, abuse it, and then justify a national registry.
Not one more foot, not another inch.
The way that Illinois does it accounts for background checks but not a registry. You get a transaction acknowledgement and the buyer/seller keep the paper work for up to 10 years. No ledger stuff at an FFL. Yes they know who the gun owners are, but they don’t know what was transferred.
Personally I am a believer in the idea of ghost guns and full autos being in the hands of civilians. As I said previously, the M4 should be the contemporary musket of our era.
Not only is it a deal breaker, but the fe deral government does not have the constitutionally authorized power to regulate intrastate trade, which is why it wasn’t implemented in 1968. Any SCOTUS with a shred of honesty wouldn’t let it stand. (I’m guessing it’s a 50/50 proposition with the current high court.)
No way on #6 — Universal Background Checks.
We just beat this back here in Maine in November 2016 when Bloomberg tried to ram this down our throats via referendum.
The last thing we would want is for the Federal government to impose this freedom-killing policy on us.
Ummm, nope.
They already took to many slices of the salami, they won’t be happy till we are left with just the string
They just called…. they want the string….
No thx. Not willing to concede any rights or items at this time.
No flaming from me but this comes across as a bit naive.
I’m gonna have to say “pass”. Too much room for tomfuckery.
In exchange for all the traitors in these United States being allowed to keep their citizenship, residence and property I propose that all firearms laws be repealed and that any government agent infringing on the 2nd amendment face the death penalty. I think we can all agree on that.
Aye.
Amen
Workable Compromise Suggestion:
1) You dig the hole (after Fing yourself with something sharp and heavy)
2) We’ll bury you in it.
You lost me at universal background check
I agree on the UBC point.
I think we should always CLAIM to be open to discussing a “trade”; but, the only “trade” we should ever be willing to make is one that is tactically and strategically strongly in OUR favor. By this definition, the Antis would never agree. So, no trade is ever consummated. Thereupon, we hold that the Antis asked for X, all we asked in return was Y. They wouldn’t budge on Y. So, we wouldn’t just give-away X for free.
The gun-control/-rights debate is moving – very slowly – in OUR direction. We don’t need to be desperate to accelerate the pace. Whatever we can get sooner for free (without compromising anything) is fine; but, the handwriting is on the wall. Wrenn means we will have Right-to-Carry within a few years.
By similar reasoning, we should be able to challenge the silencer tax and 12-month waiting period. Why should I have to pay a tax and wait 12 months to get a health-safety device?
Eventually, enough citizens will embrace the right to bear arms for self-defense that Congress-critters will no longer resist the advance of the rights guaranteed by the 2A. Thereupon, much of the NFA will be whittled-back.
E.g., we could envision repealing the Hughes Amendment. Repealing the AOW, SBS and SBR provisions. Amending DDs to allow one to acquire X permits to maintain an inventory of X DDs of a designated type. E.g., a half-dozen hand-grenades. Blow-up a couple of your grenades and you can make a couple more.
We need not concede much – if anything – while things are going in our direction.
Hmm… I wonder if the anti self preservation and anti private property crowd are not liars. They wouldn’t lie to trick you into giving something up would they? There is no way someone would want to oppress you and gain ultimate power. There is no such thing as a con artist, a charlatan, a manipulator, a politician, etc.
You can trust everyone, even the NRA.
I concur with the OP. Maybe I shouldn’t considering the comments so far. But in fairness to BOTH SIDES there has to be compromise. The more one side entrenches themselves in their beliefs – right or wrong – the more this issue is going to grow until at some point, government WILL step in – Big Time. Maybe not right now, maybe not in 7 years but it will happen. As much as I love my right to carry what I want I also know that there can be no peace in this country until we go to the bargaining table and bargain in good faith. Do I trust the Dems? No. But our side has it’s issues also. If the Dems refuse to compromise it’s on them. Then and only then can we take our case to the nation. Right now, no one trusts anyone. It’s time for this to stop.
The government has already stepped in. If we keep Obamaing our line in the sand they’ll just keep adding to the infringements.
I’ve been hearing this same tired argument for decades. No, we don’t have to “bargain in good faith” where a Constitutional right is concerned. We stack the courts with constructionists and we strike down every foolish “common sense” idea they serve up.
Compromising our right leads to further compromise down the road until we have nothing but fond memories. No, we fight every battle, we drain their war chests defeating and demoralizing them along the way.
I’m sorry but this binary view of looking at the world – squarely in a Democratic vs Republican or left vs right paradigm is the problem they’ve trapped us into believing is true or the only way to look at things.
Why do you surmise that we MUST compromise? Why does the government HAVE to step in?
This is assuming that they should have the authority to regulate any objects or any industry…which they do not and should not. We are only here because of the combination of power tripping politics and dumbed down and deceived citizenry.
If both sides are so polarized and entrenched in their views\beliefs\worldviews – right or wrong as you say – then the answer is not government force or coercion. We must look at this as a relationship. If both parties do not see eye to eye and cannot imagine giving up any ground it is immoral and evil to force either side to capitulate against their sincerely held beliefs.
That means the answer is peaceful political separation. We call this secession. The government and other authoritarians would have us believe that this isn’t a practical solution, that it’s impossible or somehow wrong or unpatriotic…
I contend that it is the only practical and peaceable solution. No violence, no bloodshed. If Chicagoans believe their city needs to run a certain way to function properly and the rest of Illinois disagrees, then Chicago should become independent of the rest of Illinois. Same goes for pretty much any major city. Let them become city-states. This “union at all costs” nonsense perpetuated by Lincoln and his cronies will come to and end. The cracks are more than evident. Political bonds are breaking all over the planet. Decentralization is inevitable. This is why we need to ensure that it happens peacefully and not with mass bloodshed.
I’m becoming more and more convinced that this may be the only long-term solution.
“… there has to be compromise.”
I agree.
Now please explain why you think the Pro-Rights side has not already given way more than it got? What has the Anti-Rights side given up to reach anything anywhere near ‘the middle?’
I knew I had it somewhere….
Here is an wonderfully illustrated guide to the Compromise that is Gun Control:
https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/
Nope, you weren’t too bad until you hit universal background checks. They sound innocuous but they are not. In order to enforce a universal background check system, all guns must be registered, at least that’s the theory of our opposition. They don’t care about universal background checks, they care about a universal registry.
A registry makes confiscation infinitely easier which is why they must be opposed.
Personally, I’m at a point where giving them nothing and chipping away at their infringements makes me happy.
Not true, look at the Illinois law
If I were an anti-gunner I would accept your modest proposal. Then I’d implement your proposal with some squishy language that sows the seeds for future reinterpretation. And I would be happiest about the way that number 6 guarantees that nobody slips out of the spacious noose that you just slipped over the necks of gun owners. Brilliant!
Hardline “Shall not be infringed”. Only compromise is a universal background check with the following guidelines for private sales.
1) Allow private sellers access to NICS database. (Either fix the broken system or scrap it)
2) Check buyers information against NICS database and responds with a simple yes or no
3) NICS check provides also a unique transaction ID per request
4) It is up to the buyer and seller to provide their own bill of sale with serial numbers and transaction ID approval.
5) None of the information of the bill of sale is forwarded to any government agencies.
The current system for records FFL side remain in place. This allows for firearm traces under the current system (by serial number from manufacture, through FFLs, to the end user). End user has a fall back to show an approved background check was performed and approved of by the government. Include end user who performed a background check to enjoy the protections of the PLCCA.
Does the system above solve gun crime, of course not there is no way to legislate away crime. Does it protect end users doing the right thing, yes. Does it allow law enforcement to trace firearms used in crime, same as before. Does it prevent an illegal federal database, sorry can’t fix that possibility.
And what happens when a future administration “forgets” to pay the electric bill for such an approval system? No more legal person to person transfers. Grandad’s old Winchester gets melted down or goes underground. This is gun confiscation without confrontation. Within a couple of generations, there are no legal firearms in private hands.
I Should have been more specific. Under my ideal system private sales are not required to use is, but in the event they do they enjoy the protections of PLCAA. So the government incentives it use. If I had a system that showed yes I made every reasonable effort that even the government agrees this person is not prohibited then I could imagine people using it. Hey I’d even pay $10 (the background check fee in my state for gun purchases) to enjoy legal protections of PLCAA. Ultimately for an anti-gunner to deny this system forces them to admit they want confiscation, or at the very least registration that leads to confiscation.
Yeah, and if we were following the Constitution, there would be *zero* of these threats you are claiming to avoid through subservience to our masters, why do we not simply say “I will not comply”? Are we all that afraid of the supposed secret and illegal lists .gov has of what we own? Those lists, ‘scuse me, are ILLEGAL! We need to pretend, as they do, that there are no illegal lists.
LarryinTX
I do believe in our Bill of Rights recognizing our enumerated rights as bestowed on us by our Creator. I just question the logic of presenting “Shall not be infringed” as our only counter to anti-gunners arguments. I know I can’t convince them but those who are in the middle who want to do something when they see our side only say that same old argument, many will be drawn to their side because lets face it most people don’t understand the constitution, nor its gun laws, nor how those “compromises” over the years have eroded our rights.
I plan on playing the long game, how can we convince the middle the current system is flawed. With little by little changes that move the pendulum back to less government through supplemental legislation, repeal and replace, and repeal where we are able to win those battles. It may take 50 to 60 years to get us back to that ideal but I believe that is possible when we provide a solution and put the other side on defending their end goal as their only talking point,
What do you hope to accomplish with implementation of background checks for private transfers? That is, other than appeasement of those who hate us and our exercise of our rights, what public good do you possibly hope to achieve?
Seriously: what do you hope to accomplish, specifically – and how will background checks on private transfers accomplish that end, specifically?
No…4 and 6 .
Also 7 – Not sure I want the Federal Government involved in CCW.
Right now many states have agreements – If states can be force by the federal government to allow CCW from anywhere – then states can be forced by the federal government to (insert dystopian subject control here – registration, etc.)
I don’t want to give up certain things to “get” certain things – compromise is when everyone loses.
The feds just have to do the same kind of hook they used to get national reciprocity for driver’s licenses, which was to condition highway funds on passing reciprocity legislation at the state level.No reciprocity, no money. Here, they could condition federal law enforcement moneys on reciprocity, and we all know that that is a LOT of money. And this way, the fed is not in the business of issuing CCWs.
I looked into that argument in the past about national reciprocity on drivers license as a legal precedence. The federal government has minimum standards for a CDL but on legislative level there is no document for national reciprocity on drivers license. No state wants to be the first to say another states drivers license is not good here that every other state in response bans them in turn. In reality its mutualy assured destruction that ensures a de facto national reciprocity.
I still don’t understand why some folks think we need to give up any portion of our constitutional rights just because some mass-murdering criminal (who was not us), killed a bunch of people. It’s irrational and unjust.
“This shouldn’t be a problem for the anti-gun people as it accomplished everything they say they want. ”
The key word here is “say.”
Whenever we have given the antis what they say they want, they always push for more, every single time.
The amount you are asking us to give up because of a device that has existed for 7 years and has only ever been used in one crime is unreasonable.
The purpose of the Bill of Rights is not to give We the People Rights. It is to insure that no government can abuse the Rights of WE the People. Any so-called deal is not up to politicians or governments. It up to each member of WE the People. If you want to forgo your Rights that is your decision. I will remain A Free Citizen and retain MY Rights. At the point of a gun if necessary.
California already has universal background checks, but it doesn’t seem to have kept criminals from obtaining firearms. No universal background check system can shut off the black market in stolen firearms. Further, although the California DOJ denies that it has a firearm “registry,” it in fact has a de facto registry: it keeps copies of ALL “Dealer Record of Sale” documents in a computer, which records list the particulars of handguns for decades, and the particulars as to long guns for about four years, as I recall. Further, a recently passed law will require retroactive registration of all firearms, especially those not previously subject to “registration,” and will require unserialized firearms to be serialized. Democrats are sold on registration, and nothing, not even universal background checks, will stop them from seeking to impose it. I wish they would take a lesson from Canada, which finally cancelled its long gun registration program after spending billions of dollars and finding out it accomplished nothing.
As a separate comment, I do not know of any county in California that will issue a CCW without at least SOME range time. The law requires “up to 16 hours of training,” half of which is usually range time. Moreover, some counties impose a range proficiency (accuracy) requirement.
Uh-hunh. And just how many crimes have been prevented by those laws? Answer=NONE. How much money has been spent=incalculable.
I am always willing to engage in constructive debate, with regards to the Second Amendment.
Unfortunately, I think you bit off more than you can chew. You included too many proposals.
If lawn darts were regulated, maybe bump fire stocks could be too. I wish that @sshole would have just offed himself, without involving innocent people.
One more PITA for the ATF to track. I perceive them as a bunch of disinterested government employees with not a whole heck of a lot of initiative. Yeah, yeah, Waco. They do seem to have a terrible track record, don’t they…
With Chiraq and Illinois being 3rd world areas. Who really cares if they kill each other. Hell there are more killings there than in Iraq or Syria and they are hotbeds of terrorists. Those in charge have no desire to stop the killing. Why should the rest of us spend time, effort or money cleaning up their mess. At least in Iraq and Syria they are trying to stop the terrorist. No such effort in Chiraq.
It’s not hard to get “universal” background checks. Given the mess the Equafax and identity theft and Social Security Cards being used for ID numbers, I would not be surprised if a National ID system is implemented. Use of chips and reissue ID cards when stolen will make is very difficult to have fake ID. With a central ID system, the excuse to the judge that I did not know the person I was selling to a prohibited person goes right out the window. That would establish case law. All they would have to do is provide a phone number you can call to check someone’s ID. A model for that already exists with the Illinois FOID card system (just use the national ID instead instead of an Illinois FOID). There would be no national database, just a universal background check system. Of course it will not stop straw buyers, but NICS doesn’t stop them either.
Of course the same IDs make voter ID laws very easy, so the Democrats will never go for it.
I don’t know, It works in Illinois (still will not stop straw purchases). As for the computer system to process the applications, are you kidding me, how do they do the background checks for guns. Use the same system for the ammo IDs and don’t try to record every sale. Sounds like they are just are making 1000 times more complicated than needed.
I don’t think there is much argument among either side that these should occur to help reduce the number of firearms falling in the hands of felons or mentally ill
If you mean that everybody agrees that your proposals won’t do a thing to reduce that of which you speak, then yep. we’re all in agreement.
But that makes us wonder why you think any of it should be done, other than to give up our rights in exchange for recovery of fewer other rights.
No. Fuck the left. Fuck the gun grabbers. They’ve always hated us and always will. We’ve given them far too much already and they can just fuck off already. To compromise on a God given right is anathema. Not one more picometer! (for those of you who always say not one more inch!)
The big problem with this proposal is that UBC will only increase pressure for a registry.
But even if I was okay with this deal, it doesn’t matter – there isn’t a single Democrat in Congress who would endorse it.
Not to mention if they’re given weak UBC’s, even if it’s just a simple yes/no with record of what’s transferred or even if anything was transferred it will take about 1 picosecond from when that bill becomes law before they’re trying to move the bar on UBC’s to make them more intrusive.
Safes.Cameras.Kill Zone.Claymores and few other surprises. That about covers it. Uncle Sam and the Viet Cong were great teachers.
He did it because he was a crazy evil asshole. And when a crazy evil asshole wants to do something, they will.
“be less infringing overall to our right to bear arms”
Either it’s infringing or it isn’t. Why don’t we pass laws that make it more illegal to commit certain crimes?? Instead of picking and choosing what Rights we ought to give up how bout we just stick to “Shall not be infringed”.
“Let me infringe in exchange for . . .”
Stop right there. No.
Why is a stupid question. No will ever know why. All we will ever get is the conjecture of so-called experts and the uneducated media. Why changes nothing. Solves nothing. Every nut case has their reasons for committing crime. It only has to be justified in their minds. The failure is in ourselves for not being prepared. Most people think they live in Utopia and walk around with their heads in the clouds. The world is a dangerous place and humans are the most vicious members of the animal kingdom. If you don’t look out for yourself. No one else can or will. Not the government. Not the police. Wake up or you could be next.
Question: What is compromise?
Answer: A slow march to the gallows.
The Jews, Gypsies and other pariahs of 1930s Germany compromised many times with the Nazis. Relinquishing their firearms, wearing markings of identification and enevitably boarding the boxcars bound for misery and death.
This is where “compromise” will lead for those unlucky enough to be on the wrong side of the state’s ambitions. Who will the dregs of society be in the next 20-50 years? Who knows, but it is best that they be armed for their own sake.
Backs to the wall, never compromise and never surrender!!!
A MODEST PROPOSAL – INVESTIGATE OBAMA’S / HILLARY’S / MUELLER’S COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA ON THE URANIUM 1 DEAL
1) Get Mueller to recuse himself as former FBI Director over Uranium 1 deal
2) Throw Obastard’s DOJ’s (Domestic Terrorist) Holder, Communist Loretta Lynch, in prison due to Uranium 1 deal in prison (prosecute all other illegality while they’re in prison).
3) Throw Susan Rice in prison (too many reasons to recite here)
4) Throw Hillary Clinton in prison (too many reasons to recite here)
Won’t the magnet in question magnetize internal components and increase the risk of malfunction?
Since this is a website about guns, I am wondering if someone here can explain why numerous people described the strong smell of gunpowder from a gun that was fired from 1/3 of a mile away, high up in a building. Right after the shootings, I found lots of statements from people who smelled it. Does this make sense?
I’ve only been a sports shooter, so no gunfight experience for me.
But no, i’ve never smelled anything until i’m actually at or very near the firing line.
To answer this question you need somebody who has been within 1/3 of a mile from a machinegun port, yet neither he nor anyone around him fired their weapons. I dunno where to find such a guy.
….no…..no efin way
I believe this entire issue was created to threaten our 2nd. The shooter did what he did to create this BS.
Yeah here’s a modest proposal: how about the writer of this tripe get f*cked?
Bargaining on ESSENTIAL ENUMERATED RIGHTS is the very reason why have these problems TO BEGIN WITH. Every single thing this mental midget behind this trash are things we’re already working now through the courts. Which is a HELL of a lot better, given that establishing legal precedent is how we’ve been able to hammer in pretty much every single major pro gun rights win in the past decade.
And just as a personal note how about you stop working for the other f*cking team, you gorram brown shirt? Just about the entire media cycle as completely forgotten about bump stocks in favor of the latest moral outrage.
Far as I’m concerned this ‘MO’ character is a nothing better than a FUD plant and should be driven right the hell off of this website with as much social pressure as that can be mustered. Traitors get no sympathy, nor do they get any quarter.
Reader MO, did you come up with that drivel on your own, or did Larry, Curly, and Shemp chip in? Just sit down and shut up. You’re embarrassing yourself.
If no one has yet posted that “Billy Madison” contest clip (not magazine), then someone should.
Gun safes aren’t safes. They’re sheet metal boxes that can be broken into with hand tools. Proper safes large enough to store long guns cost more than what my meager collection is worth. My guns are insured against theft. I don’t have kids, but I do keep my guns locked up in a sheet metal cabinet if I know nobody will be home that day, just in case one of the neighborhood brats decides to break and enter.
Everyone says anyone that does some heinous act is mentally ill as the pat answer… with the rise of leftest political violence (BLM & Antifa) and political martyrdom (James Hodgkinson at the Republican Baseball practice field)… One has to wonder if this is not just another violent expression of the far left to drive their agenda. As of now, there is no reason why, just alot of fumbling idiots that can’t get 101 investigation done… Much the same way the endless Russia, Russia, Russia investigation and the ever drip, drip, drip of the Comey pay for play bag job, one has to wonder if this was something the professional government type don’t want to see the light of day… As it might expose a political state looking to over turn an election without the worry of armed opposition….
Hmmm, maybe that’s why the founders codified the 2nd in the bill of rights and its been on the hit list of the left since their rise to power out of the Great Depression?
Here is my problem with giving anything to the gun grabbers, The Fire Arms Owners Protection Act was supposed to solve a lot of these problems. We were supposed to be able to travel freely as long as we carried our firearms IAW the laws of your origin or destination. Clearly, that has not been happening. To be fair, this is not the federal govt doing this, it is gun grabbing locals, case in point, Shaneen Allen. So, we ban the bump stock, who is to say that people won’t still be arrested for carrying concealed weapons in NJ, NY, or Cali? I see litigation from those same states, tying up reciprocity, all the while, the left gets their UBC and bump stock ban.
UBC with no registery. An exception for transfers to family members. Background checks at no cost for private transfers. Concealed carry reciprocity WITH all the FAOPA protections meaning if you wander into some area of a state that doesn’t allow concealed carry, you are not going to get arrested. Silencers in exchange for bump stocks, but the machine gun registery is back open, and silencers/suppressors are not serialized or treated like firearms, since obviously, they are just metal pipes without the accompanying firearm.
Yeah, nope.
If we’re going to talk trades, I want the Iranians negotiating on our side. That way we get everything and give nothing.
MO (the OP) reminds me of the guy who told his date, “I’ll just stick the head in.”
Y’know what really reduces the violence in Chiraq?
The killers are all being killed, that’s what. And they can’t kill anyone if they’re dead.
Yeah, I lock ’em up. As far as I’m concerned, that’s the responsible thing to do. But please — we do not need yet another goddam law.
Lost me at the word “compromise”. The left does not compromise. They always pull out of their deals. We The People cannot give them another inch.
What a coincidence. This ran in New York Times today…unsurprisingly they have a slightly different take:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/exotic-hunting-texas-ranch.html
“There’s no evidence linking the Islamic terrorist organization to the 64-year-old Silver State killer”
Nope, sorry, that’s wrong. ISIS’ claim is evidence per se.
What you meant to write is that there’s no other evidence, which seems like a true statement — but then again, who’s looking? Nobody want this disaster to be ISIS inspired, so it isn’t. Even if it was. And why do I think that it’s only a matter of time before somebody blames it on the Jews?
Counterproposal:
Repeal the NFA. Its unconstitutional.
hugs and kisses ranch?
“at night we sleep in separate beds…”
Odd, isn’t it, that the same people who claim that 2A applies to muskets also claim that it doesn’t apply to cannons and barrels of gunpowder.
Yet the battles of Lexington and Concord were fought over a cannon and barrels of gunpowder.
“Hollywood has a huge amount of moral credibility right now, too . . . Melissa McCarthy, Emma Stone, More Stars Urge People to #RejectTheNRA”
Somehow, I doubt that Harvey Weinstein ever came on to Melissa McCarthy. The other way around . . . maybe.
Nice little package all wrapped up by…. CNN.
I suppose it could be factual… but… it’s CNN as the source…. that colors the data… the profiling of him… it also can be used to support him being used by someone that managed to get close enough. We still don’t have all the data.
Yes!!!! Finally a raise!!! I ain’t had a raise since 1989!!!! Love that part of the plan as for the rest no way in hell I ain’t doin no extra work! I do enough just pressing proceed, delay, and deny!
Make NARCing Great Again!
Wonderful…. Till you realize not everyone lives in the city with good cellphone signal and all it would take a decent hacker to totally destroy a lot of investigations.
What’s with the second pic? She has a right hand grip but it’s her left hand showing good trigger discipline. Got me!
My experience is that Israeli’s don’t have the same sort of firearm discipline Americans do because they don’t normally carry with a round in the chamber.
Once I when I was out walking in Jerusalem, I saw an Israeli jeep with two soldiers in the back playing tug-of-war with an M16. They were sitting on the sides, each one gripping the front and rear of the rifle, and the muzzle was pointed directly out the back of the jeep, right at me. I watched it travel back and forth in front of my me for a second or two, and then I shouted something to get their attention. They froze for a second, and then lowered the weapon sheepishly, knowing that I had busted them and could get them in serious trouble. I felt sorry for them, and started laughing to lighten the mood. They laughed too, and we all went our separate ways.
Axon is an interesting name choice for a network such as this on for receiving submitted evidence. Axons are the fibers that transmit outgoing impulses from nerve cells. Not incoming impulses; those are carried by dendrites.
At first I thought just s maniac going nuts n killing, his motive is moot. Then I thought conspiracy more gun control. Now I think he was just a maniac killing people without any motive at all and the gun grabbers jumped all over it. I knew Paddock was opening a can of worms, I don’t think there was a motive except murder. ……. I also wonder if society is using Orwell’s 1984 as a pattern or its coincidence. Big Brother seems to have its eyes and minions everywhere, and each day a new ” must have” gadget privacy infiltrator
The flaw in the ammo stockpiling “issue” in comparing it to Sudafed: If I have 200 boxes of Sudafed, I’m probably making an illegal substance. If I have 200 rounds of ammunition, I’m going to the range for an hour.
Paul Revere: “The redcoats are coming! The redcoats are coming!”
Hugh Hewitt: “It’s okay! They just want our ammo!”
Actually, Lexington and Concord was mostly a run on Powder and not muskets, so that is soooo true!
“…Would we be able to make progress on the issue if we started talking about it not as something one side could win, but as an issue where we’re looking for consensus?”
Again with the consensus! You don’t get to spend the last eighty-something years slowly taking away my rights and then stand there and tell me I am being unreasonable because I won’t come to ‘consensus’ with you. How about you take a great big F*^k You and piss off with your consensus and you start respecting my rights for a change. How’s that for consensus.
Who here believes that you can negotiate with liars? Does anyone believe you can negotiate with a zealot? What is the anti-gun left but a bunch of liars and zealots? Even if you could arrange some grand compromise what is to keep them from coming back when they have control of the government and screwing us? Remember how we got Obamacare?
Never give up, never surrender, and never, never negotiate!
I thought that coin was an Ancholic Anonymous sobriety coin at first, what do u do with it? Throw it like a ninja star. I just can’t go folding knives for SD , they are fine for general use, but IMO not for SD. I stabbed a guy once with a switch blade, the blade broke off in him, he fell down the stairs and ran off
I have no video to give to police and would not willingly give my cell phone to the police.
“Murder insurance” my ass. Everyone who proposes mandatory insurance for gun owners doesn’t know a damn thing about insurance. There isn’t a policy in the land that extends coverage for intentional torts, and on top of which, the vast majority of people getting shot in this country are shot with stolen guns fired by people who are not permitted to possess them. I’d bet the insurance industry would LOVE to sell indemnity insurance to gun owners, because, except in the rare case of an accidental shooting, it would never pay out. And this idiot who claims that buying SD coverage is “murder” insurance must be of the opinion that anyone who shoots someone else, no matter how justified, deserves to burn in infamy, lose their jobs, their homes, and their savings. Give me a break!
We are hearing someone in a country of 8.5 million that is about the same size as LA county with 10.5 million in it. Maybe if they would track counties instead of countries, they would not hear about mass shootings. We are talking watermelons to watermelon seeds when these small countries want to compare gun violence. I bet shekels to bagels that they have more gun violence in thier country than LA County has, even with all the gangs here.
Gov’t is just you stupid neighbors who needec a job. Who, once the get that job, might do stupid inaapropriate and extra-authority things to keep it. Thus the Second Amendment as catch-all cure for any failures, on their part, to do their jobs well within the confines of their authority.
RECENT EXAMPLE: Less than five years ago ALL of D.C. and all that acted-in, and most that reported-on, American politics DENIED THE VERY EXISTENCE OF WORLDWIDE GLOBALISTS, AND GLOBALISM.
NOW (10-17-17), OUTSHITS G.W. BUSH WITH THE STATEMENT OF “we can’t just wish globalism away” (meaning we’re stuck with it because he and other POS COMMUNIST globalist MFs have worked on it for so long that it’s here to stay). He’s right, too.
WE CAN’T JUST WISH IT AWAY. WE HAVE TO HUNT IT DOWN AND CRUSH IT, AND ALL THOSE VOICING EVEN A MILDLY SUPPORTIVE ATTITUDE OF IT. IT NEEDS TO DIE OF VIOLENT A_ _-RAPE, LIKE ALL THOSE EVEN SOFT ON COMMUNISM.
‘Hope Gov’t can fix it?’ Let the World rest it’s fing stupid head. “We The People” got this.
It’s a good thing she’s pretty….
Was there supposed to be a point to this post? Because other than the obvious and gratuitous babes-with-guns pointlessness, … I don’t see the point. I mean, you don’t really think any of us care what an Israeli model thinks.
You can’t hold her views against her. Just can’t take them seriously. She’s a very young foreign national. She has no idea what real freedom is or what our constitution means. Conversely, there’s far too many people here in the US who are on the wrong side of this issue and who do understand (or are supposed to and/or are required to), and still support anti-American policies.
Just like in the pharmacutical field they now want us to do all the work for them.
So who gets paid for collecting this evidence?
Do the popo get a decrease in funds since they are having others do the work.
If not where is all the free money going that’s not being used for all this citizen supplied service?
Standard do our work for us because we said so and we don’t have enough r sources and were the government!
I would love to visit Israel.
How MGM was negligent for the shooting I don’t see and the case should be thrown out……the cover up, or the perception of a cover up is a completely different story. Too bad liability and sue happy people will prevent the whole truth from coming out. When we gather in public places there is always an inherent risk. Security is kabuki theater to allow sheeple to feel safe and stupid criminals to change their minds. An intelligent, committed criminal or terrorist doesn’t give two $%:ts about security.
At least Ellen deGenerate asked leading questions so Campos could remember the answers rehearsed with MGM lawyers.
Simple… Start lowering insurance premiums to reflect the positive impact that concealed carry has on hospitalization due to criminal acts.
Not by carrying Wilson Combat pistols. $$$
Its not a woman’s coat, take it back or else!
What’s wrong with that picture? Three things.
First, the gun isn’t an AR.
Second, there’s no bump-fire stock.
Third, the kid is an American, not a Commie douchebag like his teachers and school administrators.
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach gym. Those who can’t teach gym, administrate.
Massive gay beard on a high school student? Is he 25 years old?
If this pic was posted on TTAG, 1000 asswipes would shout, “Trigger discipline!”
“Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.”
I dunno. That looks OK to me.
“Hold still! You’ve got a mosquito on your ear. Don’t move a muscle.”
The ONLY thing wrong with that picture is that FLAME DELETED had a say in whether or not it was published.
“What’s Wrong With This Picture?”
Oh! Oh! I know!
Ear and eye protection!
“This might not have a slide fire stock, by it’ll still keeeeeel ya “