Following “exhaustive research,” the Milwaukee Jewish Federation’s Executive Committee has mandated signs banning “weapons and firearms” at their properties. That’s meshugga. Why would any religious group want to disarm its members, especially a faith with a history of terrorist attacks against its adherents? “Larry Gordon, president of Mt. Sinai Congregation in Wausau, said safety concerns were the ‘main reason’ his board decided to post the signs,” jewishchronicle.org reports. “‘Our synagogue is one where you have a large presence of children . . . We want to keep it safe — to avoid any possibility of an unintentional accident.'” Because a negligent discharge is a bigger worry than a spree-killer with a hard-on for Jews. Right.
It seems like the the fools at MJF have forgotten “never again” and adopted “one more time” as its new slogan.
“Never again” has turned in to “Meh, maybe” Very sad and disturbing
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
+1
Ralph and the Rabbi are right on target as usual.
Personally I find it outrageous and angering. G-d forbid there is an attack like the one in Seattle in 2006:
The blood of the innocent is on the hands of the kapos who run that so-called “Federation.”
Their type of naive thinking isn’t much different than investors who rationalize and deny that the dangerous Bubble Market they are in now is still a profitable Bull Market that will go on and on. All it takes is one pop to burst that bubble.
Are they also going to control access into their synagogue? Metal detectors? Security Guards?
If the answer is no, then they have just posted signs that translate to “We are helpless, feel free to slaughter us at will.”
Its amazing that some folks can’t seem to think their way around a corner.
“Hard-on for jews…”
So spree-killers do have sexual dysfunctions lol.
You’re certainly someone living with dysfunctions.
Hey, O.N., why did you change your handle?
Unbelievable. Modern American cultural values have certainly affected their reasoning and common sense.
The same Modern American cultural values that gave us the the Heller decision? The same values that put a national right to carry proposition before the House? The same values that put firearms into the mainstream with shows like “American Guns” and “Sons of Guns?” The same values that give TTAG millions of hits? American values are getting gun friendlier. So don’t blame us for your problems.
“So don’t blame us for your problems”.
I’m pro gun. My values support Heller, the right to carry, etc. I don’t have a problem with guns. Do you mean the MJF? I’m not part of them so I don’t have their problems either. They have obviously embraced the anti-gun ignorance and hysteria part of modern American society. Too bad the MJF does not hold the pro-gun values of the modern Israelis and traditional Jewish teachings to own and be prepared to use a weapon in self-defense.
“Unbelievable. Modern American cultural values have certainly affected their reasoning and common sense.”
You just blamed Amercan culture for the mjf’s actions. Yet, American culture is incredibly pro-gun and this can be easily demonstrated.
There’s a difference between the traditionally American values of the majority of rational citizens, and the far left thinking of the self-styled cultural elites. The problem here isn’t so much the values of middle-America as it is the lack of values of leftist-America.
Actually, the REAL problem here is that too many Jews have replaced religion with progressive socialism.
No real disagreements there, HSR47. Aharon just had a poor choice of vocabulary. Probably got a little worked up over something.
It seems like many prominent christians and jews lost faith in the external trappings of religion. Miracles, virgin births, genital mutilation, knocking down walls with trumpets, etc. But the basic value structure and religious drive still remained. That IS the cause of tons of problems today.
mike b, is that you?
Adding in the word “modern’ to the phrase ‘American Values’ to anyone, who uses their brain and common sense, as opposed to the unstated word ‘traditional’ has an entirely different meaning to it. Give it up ON and go back to reading your Nazi literature.
Ease up on the insults and smears, bud. Save that for somewhere else. I find no negative connotations in the word “modern” as applied to values in this context. Despite what the MSM may tell you, American values haven’t changed that much regarding firearms. If NRA polls are to be trusted we have masses. I think you suffer from a bunker mentality. Constantly wishing to be a besieged minority. Can’t help you there. But I’ll be charitable and say that “liberal” would have been more apt in your original post than “modern.”
Really? Explain the huge push to ban guns about 15-20 years ago.
This doesn’t make any sense, but check out something else here in WI that doesn’t make sense either:
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/related/proposals/ab406
Basically, it makes it a felony for anyone other than law enforcement and owners to have a loaded heater at a gas station.
I think you need to read this alittle closer…… ” and unless the person has a license to carry a concealed weapon, in a school zone. Under this bill, with certain exceptions, ” the key words here being certain exceptions
If you read the rest of the bill, it makes it clear that the exceptions do not include ccw holders, hence the addendum made to 943.13 (1m) (c) 2, excluding gas stations from this paragraph.
You are correct. This proposal would make all gas stations ‘gun free zones’. Let’s see if it makes it out of committee. Anyone at TTAG want to keep an eye on this one?
I’ll be watching it very closely as I live in Milwaukee. I agree though, this is just a statement, even the authors know it’s going nowhere. In Wisconsin we can rest easy in that concealed carry and castle doctrine both passed with bipartisan support.
In Wisconsin we can rest easy in that concealed carry and castle doctrine both passed with bipartisan support.
Yeah, and now the whole government is subject to a recall. Kiss your freedom goodbye.
“The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history.”
Or, at least some people never do.
I hate to say it but these guys should visit the schools in Israel. If they think they are far away from the problem, how far is Detroit? Or even crazies around the corner?
According to this site the gun laws there aren’t so good, either.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/israel-firearms.htm
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/310078.aspx
Fortunately some people have common sense.
School counselors packing heat? Not a bad idea. Would be interesting to see it applied in Detroit.
They, and my relatives from NY, NJ, IL, and MA, would have had a kosher cow if they knew that I carried concealed in the synagogue every time that I went.
At my daughters’ weddings in the schul, I always had a concealed 9mm hidden in my tux. At the baby namings I was armed.
I refuse to be a helpless victim like my murdered aunts and uncles who lived in the Ukraine and Minsk.
The Milwaukee Jewish Federation needs to view either the History Channel documentary, or the commercial movies about the Bielski brothers, the Warsaw uprising, and other videos about Jewish resistance to tyranny. I refuse to be a Jew being led to the slaughter.
At this holiday season, do they remember Masada or the Maccabees?
Does the expression “NEVER AGAIN!” ring hollow to them?
I was asked by the young (now former) rabbi after my daughter’s recent wedding if I would become more involved in the temple. They have several types of colloquy where they have discussions on different contemporary topics of Jewish interest. I offered to show my DVDs from the History Channel on the Bielski brothers and discuss Jewish armed resistance, and was told that the topic was inappropriate. I asked him why I often see prominent Jewish organizations supporting political causes that I find abhorrent, and he explained the revisionist history of Reform Judaism is somewhat socialistic terms.
I refuse to participate where my views are seen as seen as “contrary to the party line” and I am discouraged from expressing them. I resent some people who are so close minded that they are unwilling to engage in a healthy discussion of contemporary issues where an opposing viewpoint is presented.
In the old Yeshiva method of education, opposing viewpoints led to heated discussions which either strengthened the participants belief system, or otherwise opened the minds of the debaters which expanded their intellectual horizons.
One of my daughters is an ex-state police officer, and always carried concealed off duty, including to religious events; she is currently applying for a CHL. Another daughter has a CHL and routinely carries, and another daughter will shortly be taking the class for her CHL. My immediate family is either the black sheep or political pariah when we attend religious events or get together with extended family.
The safety of my family is my paramount concern. I will not let the Milwaukee Jewish Federation or any other Jewish group tell this Jewish boy that it is wrong to defend my family and myself.
NEVER AGAIN!
“One of my daughters is an ex-state police officer, and always carried concealed off duty, including to religious events; she is currently applying for a CHL.”
I’m not entirely familiar with it, but LEOSA may still apply.
Have these numb-nuts completely forgotten the case of when Buford Furrow shot up a Jewish day care center? He chose the place because it was full of UNARMED Jews. Even the so-called guards were unarmed. As a “Jew with Guns”, this irks me to no end. Gah.
– Brad_in_MA
Or the Seattle Jewish Federation shooting? Minorities with a history of being target, such as Jews, should really have an easy time understanding the whys behind the Second Amendment.
Part 1 of 2
I refuse to be a Jew being led to the slaughter.
At this Hanukkah season, do they not remember the Maccabees?
Does the expression “NEVER AGAIN!” ring hollow to them?
I was asked by the young rabbi after my daughter’s wedding if I would become more involved in the temple. They have several types of colloquy where they have discussions on different contemporary topics of Jewish interest. I offered to show my DVD from the History Channel on the Bielski brothers and discuss Jewish armed resistance, and was told that the topic was inappropriate. I asked him why I often see prominent Jewish organizations supporting political causes that I find abhorrent, and he explained the revisionist history of Reform Judaism is somewhat socialistic terms.
I refuse to participate where my views are seen as seen as “contrary to the party line” and I am discouraged from expressing them. I resent some people who are so close minded that they are unwilling to engage in a healthy discussion of contemporary issues where an opposing viewpoint is presented.
Unfortunately, it is the same argument everywhere there are these signs. Nothing new here, just the fact that the group affected has a much longer history of persecution. We have our work cut out for us to change people’s minds on this issue.
Part 1
They, and my relatives from NY, NJ, IL, and MA, would have had a kosher cow if they knew that I carried concealed in the synagogue. At my daughters’ weddings in the schul, I always had a concealed 9mm hidden in my tux.
I refuse to be a helpless victim.
The Milwaukee Jewish Federation needs to view the History Channel documentary about the Bielski brothers.
I refuse to be a Jew being led to the slaughter.
At this Hanukkah season, do they not remember the Maccabees?
Does the expression “NEVER AGAIN!” ring hollow to them?
Part 2
I was asked by the young rabbi after my daughter’s wedding if I would become more involved in the temple. They have several types of colloquy where they have discussions on different contemporary topics of Jewish interest. I offered to show my DVD from the History Channel on the Bielski brothers and discuss Jewish armed resistance, and was told that the topic was inappropriate. I asked him why I often see prominent Jewish organizations supporting political causes that I find abhorrent, and he explained the revisionist history of Reform Judaism is somewhat socialistic terms.
I refuse to participate where my views are seen as seen as “contrary to the party line” and I am discouraged from expressing them. I resent some people who are so close minded that they are unwilling to engage in a healthy discussion of contemporary issues where an opposing viewpoint is presented.
Have they forgotten? Do they not remember the victim rich environments of the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills, CA, where Buford Furrow wounded five people inside the North Valley Jewish Community Center? Do they not remember the victim rich environment at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle where Naveed Afzal Haq murdered a woman and shot 5 others?
“Never Again!” has been replaced with “One More Time.”
I suppose every day they get up and play Britney Spears’ “Hit me baby, one more time”.
The stated reason of safety is not the real reason for this action by the Milwaukee Jewish Federation. The real reason, and I’ll take it upon myself to speak for them since I believe they are liars, is so they can send a clear and unequivocal statement that they are liberals and hate guns. They’ll make prey (good pun there) of their own children to do so.
I disown such people. They are not part of my clan.
If I ran a synagogue I would have a big sign outside saying “Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be prosecuted. This Means You!”
Or perhaps the more succinct, “Come in peace, or leave in pieces.”
Too many of these Jews are book smart and life stupid.I was raised Jewish,and by typical liberal parents,but my father was a WW2 veteran and always had a gun-I am a Vietnam veteran and spent 25 years in LE and it always amazes me how these liberal Jews suck down the pablum of government looking out for them.The same politicians whose asses they kiss will throw them under the bus the minutes the campaign contributions stop.
A false sense of security is the worst kind of armor.
My shul has a gun club. Another shul down the block has a frenzy of pro-2A’s. A local rabbi that runs a college outreach program has been really pushing to organize a trip to the range with the students active in the organization. Most of my (Jewish) friends shoot. This is one community where a sign like that won’t fly.
I’d like to add one thing – that most of the pro-2A Jews I know are Orthodox. Some of them are the bearded black hat type, some of them lean more to the left religiously. I don’t quite know why it seems that Orthodox Jews are more open to firearms than others. I know that Ortho folks are more likely to vote Republican, but I don’t know when this trend started either.
It’s simple: They act and vote the way that they do because they have not not allowed the leftist construct of “social justice” to become the entirety of their religious experience.
This replacement is, by and large, the reason so many modern Jews are so left-leaning.
My experience ….. The religion of Reformed Jews is Liberalism, not Judaism.
Ben Eli, where are you located?
I know *exactly* what you mean; at times it can be so tangible that it can’t even be put to words.
The current Rabbi at the (conservative) Shul I went to growing up tends to lean far to the left, politically speaking, to the degree that sometimes I think he must need a cane or crutches to not fall over. That said, he *does* have a fairly good understanding of the actual religious aspects of Judaism. So, while his sermons have a definite leftist slant to them, they have a firm grounding in the actual biblical matter he’s basing it on.
Recently, I had the opportunity to go to high holidays services either at the local (~5 minutes down the road) reform Shul, or at the above mentioned Conservative Shul (20-30 minutes away). I chose the former, mostly because I didn’t feel like driving that far, and it meant more sleep. All through the service, I felt like the odd man out; It’s disconcerting to make the transition from feeling like you are ignorant, to knowing there are people who are so ignorant that they make you look truly knowledgeable. This took a back seat when the Rabbi took her turn at the microphone to deliver a sermon, which boiled down to a solid grounding in leftism, with just a touch of half-understood and only quarter-correct biblical reference.
As I’ve said, the issue is that modern reform Judaism has read leftist values (rather, the lack of values) into Jewish religious texts and rituals, and has taken leftism to be the religion, rather than the scriptures, rituals, and observance thereof.
@Mike Silver
I live in Pittsburgh, PA.
Part 2
I was asked by the young rabbi after my daughter’s wedding if I would become more involved in the temple. They have several types of colloquy where they have discussions on different contemporary topics of Jewish interest. I offered to show my DVD from the History Channel on the Bielski brothers and discuss Jewish armed resistance, and was told that the topic was inappropriate. I asked him why I often see prominent Jewish organizations supporting political causes that I find abhorrent, and he explained the revisionist history of Reform Judaism is somewhat socialistic terms.
Part 3 to follow
One of the Jewish organizations I am involved with at school holds an annual event called “Jews with .22s”. We have had everything from .22 up to 7.62×39 with various other calibers mixed in. Did I mention that we got to shoot suppressed and full auto? One of the sponsors is a class III FFL, one is a former olympic shooting coach, and the other is just a nice Jewish guy with a lot of property to shoot on.
I have also been shooting several times with the orthodox rabbi in the area. He has a CHL and carries everyday (I’ll have to ask about shabbos).
B. Malloy- Please drop me a line as well, it is sort of a hobby of mine to document these things…
“He has a CHL and carries everyday (I’ll have to ask about shabbos).”
I use a Crossbreed Supertuck. The way I see it, I’m not *carrying* the gun, I’m *wearing* it. Ergo, no issue with the sabbath.
I am not an authority but this is my understanding of this issue. It is still considered carrying on Shabbos. However, if one was in an Eruv (an enclosed area that creates a private domain, such as one’s house or a walled city) one could carry the firearm without violating the laws concerning transfer from one domain to another.
However, a firearm itself is considered an object whose purpose is forbidden so the holding of the object is forbidden. Because firing the handgun is a violation of Shabbos, so too is holding it. Such an item is called “muktzeh”. In times of war or imminent danger, such violations are permissible, as the protection of the one’s life and the lives of other supersedes Shabbos. However, in the case of a citizen’s carrying in (relatively) peaceful times, one must consult a competent rabbi who is knowledgable in the issues at hand.
Well said!