Making Open Carry Hip and Cool in Detroit

An open carry group in Michigan has done a remarkable thing, even if it’s built on the accomplishments of a great many before them.  They have made the open carry of long guns in Detroit hip and cool. On an MSNBC video. The video was made for Ronan Farrow’s show, featuring 22-year-old activist James Baker. He’s well spoken, photogenic, and persuasive. He and a couple of other people formed the group, Hell’s Saints, in July. He comes across in a largely positive light, narrating much of the video. He actually reminds me of Cody Wilson, of 3D printed firearms fame.



They’re know as the Hell’s Saints, a Detroit-area-based group who travel the state and make planned walks displaying handguns on their hips and rifles slung over their shoulders.

The stated goal: to educate citizens about their Second Amendment right to openly carry firearms.

The “optics” are good. The open carriers come across as safe, dedicated, informed and outside the “establishment”.   At one point, a DPD cruiser stops to investigate the open carriers as they walk along. A police officer states that they know of the open carriers, and understand their rights. The group is unmolested, and continues their walk. The police never drew their weapons, and didn’t require anyone to disarm. The message is clear: You have the right, and the police cannot take it from you. A female member of the group remarks that police time could be spent in better ways.

The group is multi-racial. It practically screams urban, cool, and hip.

The statements that flash on the screen are largely positive and informative. The last message is that open carry of handguns is legal in 44 states, 13 of which require a permit. Combined with Police Chief Craig‘s endorsement of using firearms for self defense, this is a potent message to the people of Detroit.

This video will be a powerful tool for open carry groups across the nation. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were shown to all the legislators in Texas, Florida, and South Carolina, who are on the front line of the open carry movement.  Texas is expected to pass an open carry bill in 2015. This video could make a difference in what kind of laws they pass. When Texas becomes an open carry state, there will be more states with “constitutional carry” than there will be that ban open carry.

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  1. avatar Drew says:

    Roving bands of interracial youth? It’s like every PC movie featuring gangs ever!

    1. avatar Joe R. says:


      beware the “thumbs-high” gang. 🙂

    2. avatar Dan says:

      “Waaaaaarrriiiiiooooorrrrsss….. Come out to play-ayyyy….”

      Clink, clink, clink…

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        Can you dig it!

      2. avatar Mecha-Ben says:

        F***ck, yeah; my first thought, too! Ajax is the man, even if he does screw it up for himself.

    3. avatar Barstow Cowboy says:

      Do they have a differently abled person?

  2. avatar Noishkel says:

    Well you know the Detroit Wasteland IS a good place for OC. In case people didn’t catch the news stories about it certain parts of that city are decaying so much that nature is starting to take it over. There’s even been reports of BEARS being sighed roaming within the city limits.

    1. avatar bobmcd says:

      If that’s the case, then Detroit has definitely moved to Oz, since they have Lions, and Tigers … oh, my!

    2. avatar Ralph says:

      The last time that the Bears were seen in Detroit, they lost to the Lions by 17 points.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Sadly true.

    3. avatar Shepherd says:

      No bears have been sighted in Detroit that is just stupid. A bear got loose from the zoo but was recovered quickly. All wild bears are far north

    4. avatar MarkP says:

      Obviously not my Chicago Bears, they try to avoid Detroit these days.

  3. avatar cknarf says:

    If it was legal in Illinois, I’d carry my 91/30 everywhere. ‘Cause, Mosin.

    1. avatar Alex in IL says:

      A man after my own heart. Mosins are great.

  4. avatar Ralph says:

    Wow, That pic looks like the cover art for “Band of the Hand.”

    More classy OC like this will absolutely drive MDA out of their little, nonfunctioning minds. I love it!

  5. avatar Chip Bennett says:

    Two thumbs up to anything that helps to normalize carry of any type, and that encourages more law-abiding citizens to avail themselves of their second-amendment-protected rights.

  6. avatar rob says:

    More like a powerful tool for gun grabbers to point at LOSERS.

  7. avatar DrVino says:

    Anyone else notice a shift in tone in the media as far as guns are concerned?

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      The MSM, except for Fox, is losing their shirts. After a few more layoffs at the New York Times and CNN, I expect they’ll both be paying dues to the NRA.

  8. avatar Rog Uinta says:

    Bbbbububububut open carry is stupid, and irresponsible, and evil. Paul T. McCain told me so!

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      How long will it be since he’s stopped posting (or whatever happened) that people will stop bringing him up?

  9. avatar Megalith says:

    A very long time ago, NY City kids who were members of their school shooting club would carry their rifles slung across their backs on the subway or the bus. No one batted an eye. Today, the SWAT team would be called in for a student caught with a pocket knife.

    1. avatar Drew says:

      For eating a poptart in the shape of a knife, but the real offense would be the big gulp he had to wash it down with.

  10. avatar Disthunder says:

    Pfft. Guns are ALWAYS cool. Even to gun grabbers, that’s why action movies and first person shooters rule the world.
    Hip is a little tougher to nail, I’m thinkin. In the gun world, I don’t see near enough 5.11 on those kids to be hip, but their mileage may vary.

    1. avatar Piet Padkos says:

      Even if you don’t think them hip enough yet, you cannot deny the fact that they’re fly.

    2. avatar Barstow Cowboy says:

      Do you think it’s possible to carry ironically? Like, maybe get a lever action .22? Or take it the other way, and have a horse-drawn cannon?

    3. avatar ropingdown says:

      5.11 gear? That isn’t hip. That’s cop and OFWG. It’s because these people are not wearing 5.11 that they bring a bit of hip to it. Now Five Ten Guide Tennies, some high-end jeans, maybe a non-LEAF Dead Bird soft shell? More hip.

      Detroit (like most cities) never had enough cops to stop crime without the quietly armed citizen doing their part. It’s a case of trying to maintain a union monopoly. “We don’t need you carriers, because despite rampant violent crime, we’ve got it under control!” I can only laugh. And carry.

  11. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Great video.
    I’m just shocked its MSLSD

    1. avatar Foramen of Winslow says:

      It was on Ronan Farrow’s show, so it is not like anyone actually saw it.

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        Mia watched it with Woody.

        1. avatar ropingdown says:

          Ah, Ronan. “On Father’s Day 2012, Ronan Farrow tweeted ‘Happy Father’s day – or as they call it in my family, happy brother-in-law’s day.’ “

  12. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    “When Texas becomes an open carry state, there will be more states with ‘constitutional carry’ than there will be that ban open carry.”

    Last I heard, the proposal on the table in Texas is to graciously allow open carry only for people who have a concealed carry license. That is not constitutional carry.

    1. TX:Governor Elect Abbot says he will sign Constitutional Carry if it Comes to his Desk

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        While that is true, Dean, the current bill in the legislature is not constitutional (open) carry as I understand it. But I don’t want to hijack this article … I’ll copy my comment over to the appropriate article.

        1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

          Wow, I am really brain dead tonight. I did post under the correct article. I am going to bed now.

        2. avatar Don says:

          I’m in Oregon but I am hearing that there are two separate bills working in Texas?

    2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Apologies … I replied under the wrong story. Please disregard my comment above.

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Correction: I did post under the correct article … going to bed now.

    3. avatar SteveInCO says:

      No matter what kind of open carry lands on the governor’s desk, the number of states prohibiting OC will drop to 4. If there are more than that many with constitutional carry (and I don’t recall the number) then Dean’s statement becomes true.

  13. avatar John M. says:

    I like the optics, but I wish they’d dress up a little more. If you’re going to OC to make a statement, could you at least look well-dressed enough to be let into the country club? Slacks and a polo shirt aren’t a very high bar, and it goes a long way toward making people feel comfortable.

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      “Country Club” isn’t hip. And the people in slacks and a polo on weekends haven’t been doing much to make urban cores safer. I have to dress Club all too often, and I’m pretty sure I’m not hip when so dressed.

    2. avatar JimmyDelta says:

      Fuck the Dockers & polos. Its not like they look like skinheads or tweakers, either. They actually look like they went for a walk because the Dungeon Master forgot his dice so they couldn’t play, and there are no new Harry Potter books. The whole point is that this is for *everyone*.

  14. avatar tdiinva says:

    I am sure the Chief of Police appreciated their presence. Armed law abiding citizens walking the streets of Detroit creates a bubble of security that the usual criminal element is going avoid.

  15. avatar Texas4Life says:

    I support the right of black Americans to open carry as a deterrent to being harassed by racist cops.

  16. avatar Bob in Washington says:

    I like the video, I like the message. They are dressed in their every day duds, not trying to be someone they are not. Good for them.

  17. avatar joelT1 says:

    They kinda look like a post-apocalyptic class photo kind of thing. The picture they take right before they start dying one by one by the zombie hordes.

  18. avatar NoID says:

    “A group of activists in Detroit walks openly through the city, carrying large automatic weapons and handguns, to demonstrate their individual rights to ‘Open Carry.’ This eye-opening look from our partners at Vocativ follows the group as they parade through town.”

    You think after spending some quality time with this group they would have learned that they aren’t carrying “automatic” weapons.

    The derp…it hurts.

    1. avatar Roymond says:

      Yeah — I was going to point out that none of those weapons are actually large, and certainly aren’t automatic. I can’t believe it took this far down the comments for someone to pounce on that!

      It seems to fit a trend I’ve noticed lately for journalists to not do their homework, they just take someone’s word for it and go to print. Shameful.

  19. avatar mountocean says:

    I can’t get the video to play. Bummer.

  20. avatar over-educated economist says:

    They seem undergunned for Detroit.

  21. avatar Tommycat says:

    Kinda like Colion Noir has been doing, but it’s good to see more young people learning about their rights, and passing on that knowledge. And I loved that woman that said, “I wish I knew it was open carry day, I woulda brought my gun”

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