Lies and Dishonesty About Virginia Sanctuary Movement as the Number of Counties Grows

Virginia Sanctuary Counties

Courtesy Reddit

By Dennis Petrocelli, MD

On November 5th, control of both the House and Senate of the Virginia General Assembly flipped to Democrat control. The Virginia Democrats owe a huge debt to Michael Bloomberg for the millions he poured into the state, and they are returning the favor by pushing extreme, unconstitutional infringements on gun owners.

They should have done better by Virginia.

Examples include magazine capacity limits, outright bans on AR-15 style rifles without grace periods, and new legislation that insinuates that lawful, respectable gun owners should be barred from carrying at the Assembly because we might “intimidate” others.

These are just some of the infringements we face in a state that historically has been rational and supportive of gun ownership. Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership has analyzed all of these ideas before and put them in their proper place: the trash bin.

Although the new session will not begin until January 8, these Second Amendment infringements have been pre-filed in the General Assembly [to find them, click <Other Sessions> on the left and select “2020”, then click <All Legislation> on the right].

Second Amendment advocates throughout Virginia have wasted no time making their opposition heard and have appealed to their local elected officials—city councils, boards of supervisors, and sheriffs—to consider making their locality a “Second Amendment Sanctuary” county or city.

These narrowly-worded resolutions read that the sanctuary jurisdiction “expresses its intent” to “uphold the Second Amendment” and ”that public funds . . . [shall] not be used to restrict the Second Amendment rights of the citizens.”

Thus far, with Greensville County joining the movement, 22 Virginia counties have declared themselves 2A sanctuaries with 6 of other counties’ action pending.

Unsurprisingly, the confiscation crowd has seized upon this grassroots effort and grossly mischaracterized it. Even though law-abiding Virginian gun owners have not broken any laws, once again we find ourselves accused of terrible misdeeds.

Norfolk Delegate Jay Jones accuses gun owners of having “bombarded” local officials with requests, as if civic engagement is somehow wrong. I have a bit of sympathy for the beleaguered legislators: they are not used to hearing from us because we overwhelmingly follow the law and leave others alone.

He says that this current effort is “indicative of the same mindset that … led this country to dissolve into a civil war.” Not so: it is indicative of precisely the opposite. No one is storming the castle walls. Instead, gun owners are using every lawful means available to us to ensure that our voices are heard in support of the Constitution.

Jones asserts that his motivation to call negative attention to the Second Amendment sanctuary movement is the ongoing gun violence in his district. I can assure the Delegate that none of the criminals who engage in inner city gang- and drug-related violence have joined with law-abiding gun owners at any of the hearings to date.

On the other hand, I’m sure those criminals are cheering the Delegate and Democrats on, because criminals prefer un-armed victims, and that’s exactly what the currently proposed legislation will create.

The Washington Post was no better.  Its editorial labeled us “mischief-makers.”  What mischief exactly? What law did we violate? The first sentence was even worse, opening with “Vigilantism.”

I should not be surprised that the editorial board doesn’t know any better because, unlike me, its members have probably not completed many hours of NRA gun safety classes. Although I shouldn’t have to make this clear, I will: ALL of those classes begin with gun safety practices and a review of the relevant laws, criminal and civil, that relate to defensive gun usage.

‘Vigilantism’ is an offensive posture that lies outside the scope of anything to which I’ve been exposed. The Post’s mischaracterization of us shows that the confiscation crowd simply refuses to have any meaningful debate on the merits of the facts as they exist—it’s all guilt by association to a lie.

The WaPo editorial asserts that the legislation would promote public safety even though the Governor conceded that none of the measures would have stopped any of the horrific atrocities in Virginia—neither Virginia Tech nor Virginia Beach.

The editorial concludes that, “the only cases in which gun confiscation could take place would be . . . red flag” actions. It completely and conveniently overlooks that confiscations could be based on harmless possession of newly-banned firearms and accessories currently in common use for lawful purposes.

If I am required to give up possession of my personal property, then it’s effectively confiscated, albeit without the zero-dark-thirty no-knock raid. My regrets for being ungrateful about that.

Lastly, Blue Virginia, a voice of Virginia Democrats, implored us to wait “to see what gets passed before manning the ramparts.” I would concede that would make their work easier if we stayed silent a little longer, but we’ve learned from our mistake of November 5th.

They point out the obvious:  “. . . citizens do not have the right or the power to determine on their own say-so whether or not a law is constitutional.” We agree, which is why lawful gun owners are asking those who took oaths of office to uphold the Constitution—elected officials, including sheriffs—to uphold their oath of office, no more and no less.

No guns rights group has yet taken the position that we should explicitly disobey the law. On the contrary, even though New Jersey has an abundance of unconstitutional infringements which are being lawfully challenged at all levels of the judicial system, Second Amendment advocate and New Jersey range proprietor Anthony Colandro admonishes his weekly Gun for Hire Podcast listeners to follow all the laws to the letter while fighting them.

It would be helpful if those covering the sanctuary hearings actually attended one and listened to the citizens who speak up. What is clear to me is that these people are passionate about the United States and passionate about it remaining a constitutional republic. Gun ownership and safe, lawful use of guns is a means to that end.

There has not been one scintilla of advocacy of “mischief-making” or “vigilantism.” No one spoke about wanting to take up arms against the government.

Instead, the focus has been on respectful, but firm dialogue that’s entirely consistent with the Second Amendment and the Heller and McDonald decisions.  Gun owners are showing up en masse to these hearings because we want to see our country preserved, not taken apart.

It’s long past time that the Virginia confiscation crowd acknowledge that the history, text, and tradition of the Second Amendment precludes the type of government infringements on our inalienable rights contemplated by their bills. It’s also time for them to acknowledge the plentiful data that support the wisdom of that oral and written tradition: criminals and tyrants prefer unarmed victims.

Virginia gun owners have merely asked to be left alone; we are not calling for revolution. Our commitment to lawful civic engagement should make that obvious to anyone who cares to listen to us.

 

Dennis Petrocelli, MD is a clinical and forensic psychiatrist who has practiced for nearly 20 years in Virginia. He took up shooting in 2019 for mind-body training and self-defense, and is joining the fight for Virginians’ gun rights.

This post originally appeared at DRGO.us and is reprinted here with permission. 

comments

  1. avatar Jerry Sweet says:

    Jan 8 every gun lover show up armed and show the state shall not infringed period

    1. avatar Baldwin says:

      Jan 20th is lobby day. 2A rights rally scheduled!

      1. avatar Baldwin says:

        Also, there will be a Virginia First 2A rally at the state capitol on Dec 9.

        1. avatar Aaron says:

          Post more info on that, all the groups I’ve heard anything about are going on January 20th.

        2. avatar gene says:

          Jan 20 is a go as is 9 Dec. As an FYI, in August AG Herring gave an opinion/advisory about VCDL rally day (https://www.vcdl.org/rally/) on 9 July, 2019.

          It can be found at: https://www.oag.state.va.us/files/Opinions/2019/19-039-C-Herring-issued.pdf

          Enlightening read…

      2. avatar Jerry Sweet says:

        Right on

  2. Amazing how many in the democratic party and their lap-dog media cronies could care less about attempts to openly violate We The People’s Constitution. In fact it could very well be held as conspiracy to commit treason.

  3. avatar I Haz A Question says:

    “…citizens do not have the right or the power to determine on their own say-so whether or not a law is constitutional…”

    Say what? So if a law is blatantly unconstitutional on its face, but those who the author says are the only ones who can deem it as being so, the individual citizen has no power under the Constitution?

    Let’s use the most obvious example. Here in Los Angeles County, everyone in power is attempting to strip us of our 2A rights and our property. Our state Governor (Newsom), Lt. Governor (Kounalakis), Attorney General (Becerra), both state Senators (Feinstein and Harris), the L.A. Mayor (Garcetti) and even the LASD Sheriff himself (Villanueva). Even a large portion of our judges at every level support gun control and spit in the face of the Constitution and the oaths taken to defend it.

    So does this mean, according to the author’s logic, that I cannot determine that they are all egregiously violating my 2A rights? Has the author never heard the terms “molon labe”, “I will not comply” or “shall not be infringed”?

    What a crock.

    1. avatar JP Ruiz says:

      The Stalinist Left views the Constitution as something that they can wipe their asses with, and have been that way since Woodrow Wilson.

      Their word, per their decree, is the Rule Of Law according to whatever they say, and it’s the aggressive imposition of their “Living and Breathing Document” Propaganda of the Constitution that makes them dangerous and warranting of being defied with hostility and ruthless prejudice.

      Leftwing Movements rule with force and ruthlessness, and their is no compromise with them.

    2. avatar Jerry Sweet says:

      The people will rise up and exterminate the aforementioned names destroy thw criminals holding our nation hostage

    3. avatar Rad Man says:

      Bingo. The People don’t have the right to determine the constitutionality of legislation. Therefore we can pass any (blatantly) unconstitutional laws we want and if you don’t like it, take it up with the courts. In the meantime, do what you’re told and comply.

      I don’t think so.

      1. avatar LifeSavor says:

        Rad Man,

        When I talk to friends, family, co-workers, and even clients, I am amazed and aghast at how few even percieve the terrible erosion of our Constitution that has and continues to occur.

        Mainstream media, high-tech censorship, and leftist educational institutions mis-lead many, but as governments become more oppressive and demanding, more people will be hurt, causing more to pay attention, and realize how far we have strayed from the Constitution. I hope.

        Yes, I am sometime optimistic to the point of silliness.

        1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

          “…but as governments become more oppressive and demanding, more people will be hurt, causing more to pay attention, and realize how far we have strayed from the Constitution.”

          Depends how quickly they continue to turn up the heat. We were all born under a Federal government far more invasive in our personal lives than King George or the Parliament who controlled him ever thought about being. But we have cheetos and netflix. For now.

    4. avatar LifeSavor says:

      Haz,

      I interpreted that statement to mean: “When the Leo’s are slapping cuffs on you because you violated an unconstitutional law, or seizing your property under Civil Asset Forfiture, your opinion of the law will not stop these events from occurring, and your power to fight them after the fact may be limited by your ability to engage legal counsel.”

      I fully agree with you that we have the right to judge laws as unconstitutional, and that is patriotic to oppose such laws.

      1. avatar Jerry Sweet says:

        When a leo takes your property ie civil asset forfeiture-redflag laws they violet thier OATH of OFFICE they then become tyrants and deserve DEATH

        1. avatar LifeSavor says:

          Jerry Sweet,

          Wow!!

  4. avatar ROBERT Powell says:

    IT IS ABOUT TIME THE UNITED STATES MARSHALS SERVICE STEPED IN AND PUT A STOP TO THIS STUPID CRAP. sedition is a federal crime of the first order. arrest the traitors. prosecute them in a federal court and then shoot them

    1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      I see. To which “stupid crap” are you referring? The Left’s declaration that it won’t follow federal immigration law, or the Right’s declaration that it won’t follow local gun control? They’re both being touted as “sanctuary” movements. Which are you supporting, and which people should be shot, as you so eloquently put it?

      1. avatar Leftists Suck says:

        Dufus, the left is sh*tting on the Constitution AND the rule of LEGITIMATE law that is meant to protect American citizens. The “so-called” right is trying to preserve the same Constitution against overwhelmingly marxist tyranny at ALL levels of government and society to tear it down. So stupid, which do you think is more stupid? I bet I know your answer.

        1. avatar Guesty McGuesterson says:

          Let’s examine your statement. You stepped in to answer for someone else (unless you’re one of those trolls who writes under multiple names…ahem…Vlad) and called him derogatory names three times (dufus, stupid, stupid) in an effort to make yourself look superior.

          Major fail. All you did was out yourself as the 19-yr-old ignoramus that your are. Next time, try sitting up straight in your high chair and forming coherent, mature thoughts before telling your hands to touch the keyboard.

      2. avatar Jerry Sweet says:

        The Patriots side what side are you on

      3. avatar Chiefton says:

        Let’s talk about your statement. First, Immigration laws are Federal law that the Legislative Branch created. The 2nd Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of our Country. The 2nd amendment uses some of the strongest language in any legal interpretation in that it says that the right to keep and bear arms SHALL not be infringed. Shall is a mandatory action word. It does not say could or maybe it says SHALL and that is a requirement. The Democrats are refusing to support our ruling party laws whie the Republicans are defending the Constitutional law which overrules all other laws of our nation. Is it now a little clearer to you?

        1. avatar Jerry sweet says:

          O ly if this person has any commom sense

    2. avatar Chuck Finley says:

      Hows that boot taste

    3. avatar Dude says:

      “IT IS ABOUT TIME THE UNITED STATES MARSHALS SERVICE STEPED IN AND PUT A STOP TO THIS STUPID CRAP. sedition is a federal crime of the first order. arrest the traitors. prosecute them in a federal court and then shoot them”

      You’re speaking of the people covering for illegal immigration, right?

      1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

        Or the pot stores in various states while it’s still illegal under federal law. We have some issues here that will need to be resolved one way or another eventually.

    4. avatar Hannibal says:

      Asking for federal authorities to come in and use force against citizens or state governments- and you call yourself a patriot. What a joke.

      1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

        If we decide that federal authority cannot be used to affect local governance, we have to give up the idea of the Supreme Court striking down unconstitutional gun control laws. Granted, those law might be unconstitutional, but striking them down is an exercise of federal power nonetheless.

        1. avatar Jerry Sweet says:

          Spot on

  5. avatar Shire-man says:

    So concerned with attacking the “sanctuary” status in the name of public safety of people who have harmed no one and just want to be left alone.

    So what do they call it when they declare “sanctuary” status and refuse to hand over already convicted drug smugglers, murderers, serial drunk drivers and rapists over to the feds for deportation? Is that in the interest of public safety?

    The left excuses assault, vandalism, theft, perjury and whenever there is a DGU they stick up for the perp. The right says “I’m not bothering anyone. Can’t you just leave me alone to live my life?” and that gets painted as calls for violent government overthrow. Wanting to be left alone is a red flag.

    What is unfortunate is that this has gone on for at least two generations so by now any behavior unlike that of a happy doormat will no doubt be interpreted as hostile and scary thereby justifying everything they think of you. Don’t you like your subservient place? How could you ask for your liberty to be respected? What are you, some sort of violent radical?

    I’m not beating seniors with bike locks. I’m not shaking my genitals in front of children. I’m not setting fire to local businesses. I’m not charging into people’s faces and shouting at them. I’m not demanding anyone behave or speak a certain way. I just want to be left alone. So, of course, that makes me a bloodthirsty, woman-hating, nazi that needs to be shackled and locked away.

    1. avatar GomeznSA says:

      Shire – well said. You realize that their tactics are straight out of alinsky – demonize your opponent – every way possible. That strategery has been working VERY well – to the point that Law Abiding Citizens are now being cast as ‘bad guys’ – simply because we – as you stated, simply want to be left alone to live as we see fit, without infringing on any one else.

    2. avatar Dude says:

      “So what do they call it when they declare “sanctuary” status and refuse to hand over already convicted drug smugglers, murderers, serial drunk drivers and rapists over to the feds for deportation?”

      The propagandists call it righteousness. Unfortunately, there are plenty of weak-minded followers that are susceptible to the constant propaganda pumped out by the dems, media, and school system.

    3. avatar LifeSavor says:

      Shire-man,

      Read your post 3x. Perfect.
      Thank you!

    4. avatar Dan W says:

      There are two kinds of people in this world.
      The kind who want to be left alone.
      The kind who don’t want to leave the rest alone.

      If you fall into group 1 you’re only option isn’t pretty.

    5. avatar Phil Wilson says:

      This perfectly captures not only how many of us feel, but also the current leftist tactics to demonize those who do not want the West to regress to authoritarian rule. But the more I talk to leftists, the more I fear it may be closer to a religion than a tactic.

  6. avatar TFred says:

    EXCELLENT post. Well worth passing along to your local legislators, especially if you live in a jurisdiction where they are not likely to support a resolution.

  7. avatar Jim Bob says:

    There are over 40 counties now, with plenty more to come. Keep up the pressure.

    http://www.vcdl.org

  8. avatar Aven says:

    I think we’re up to at least 43 counties or cities that have become 2A sanctuaries this morning. One encouraging thing is that the local sheriffs and commonwealth attorneys have vowed to not arrest or prosecute violators of unconstitutional laws. The sheriffs and commonwealth attorneys are elected by the localities and they know that if they go against the will of the voters, they will not be re-elected.

    1. avatar Dude says:

      Hopefully this nonsense will spur Virginians into action and out to the polls next year.

      1. avatar Dan W says:

        Virginians and Americans are being quickly outnumbered by foreigners. In not too long the ballot box won’t be an option.

      2. avatar gene says:

        It’s unclear if more turnout really would have made much of a difference, though I have read differing opinions on it. What is clear, however, is the amount of money that flowed into VA, in particular the most populated areas (NOVA, Richmond, Roanoke, Charlottesville) to include Chinese Maoist money (New Virginia Majority), Bloomberg, Soros, etc. Some redistricting helped turn seats ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/federal-judges-choose-va-redistricting-map-favorable-to-democrats-six-gop-house-districts-would-get-bluer/2019/01/22/401b2618-1ebc-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html) Certainly, complacency, “muh hunting won’t be restricted”, and “it won’t happen here” certainly didn’t help.

        GOPV’s “do nothing” attitude most certainly did not help. In fact, in at least one county, (from what I heard through the grapevine, so keep that in mind) folks were told to toe the line about gun control and support was reduced for candidates that stood for freedom and were viewed as “extremists”. Fortunately, those individuals stood their ground and were elected, even against the odds.

  9. avatar A. C. says:

    I have to wonder how all those law-abiding citizens who just want to live and let live and leave others alone allowed these rabid anti gun legislators to get elected. Where were they on election day? Perhaps they ignored Obama’s statement “elections have consequences.”

    1. avatar JP Ruiz says:

      They felt apathetic for a long time, primarily because the GOP abandoned them. The Virginia Republican Party since the 1990’s welcomed what would become the present day Demographics that have turned the State Blue. Simply put; the VA GOP gave the State over to the anti-gunners for them to impose their pigshit, Stalinist filth.

      The VA GOP welcomed the swell of Federal Workers, helped the Democrats increase the size of the State Government Worker Pool, and openly welcomed hordes of 3rd World People from 3rd World SHITHOLES whom only know the Statist Politics of those same 3rd World SHITHOLES that by nature, are hostile to Gun Rights and Representative Republicsnism.

      The Democrat Party throughout our Country’s history, has always been the benefiting party of large waves of Immigrants in this country, and now Virginia is showing it in the present. The difference today is that the Democrat Party uses Demographics as a weapon to balkanized, but then again, look at Jim Crow.

      Virginia politics today is now controlled by BALKANIZED, Leftist Factions in ethnic enclaves, clustered in the big 3 Northern Counties (Loudon, Prince William, and Fairfax), plus the Richmond and Norfolk Urban Metropolitan Statistical Areas.

      1. avatar b725 says:

        You nailed it. Native Virginian, family moved from Gloucester to PWC when I was young. Dad got a job up there. PWC and most of NOVA was nothing like it is now. For that matter MD was fairly conservative at the time (Agnew was governor). In the mid 60’s things began to change with the rapid expansion of the Federal Govt and people moving from the NE primarily for the jobs. I left when I was 18 to go to college in Norfolk with no intention of ever going back. Soon after the 3rd world wave begin. All of my family has since re-located out of that hell hole.

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      When voting is not compulsory, you get the government you deserve. If you don’t vote, don’t complain about the result.

      1. avatar UpInArms says:

        I’m not a big fan of compulsory voting. Most of the voters out there are completely disengaged and willfully ignorant on the issues. I’d rather leave the voting up to those people that are actually paying attention.

        Unless, of course, all those disengaged voters all vote the way I do 🙂

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          Someone forced to vote may very well, just for giggle, vote for something horrific, just so they can laugh at the resulting mayhem.

          No fucking way do I want that happening. I’m perfectly fine with those who don’t care sitting out an election…

        2. avatar Super Frustrated in VA says:

          Agree, that is the reason we are in the shape we are in…Mindless voters only paying attention to the Bloomberg bought and paid for ads for Dems. That is the reason we are where we are besides Northern VA and Tidewater setting the pace for the rest of VA. People should have to prove they know what they are voting for and why, name their representatives, legislatures, Board of Supervisors, etc. The mindless voters are ruining the US and our great State of Virginia. Everybody raises cain when I say that the founders did not mean for EVERYONE to be allowed to vote. Those that accept any type of government assistance should not be allowed to vote…..Those that are not productive members of society should not be allowed to vote….etc.

      2. avatar Dan W says:

        Voting needs to be restricted to white male property owners.
        If we did that The republic party would look like outright communists.

    3. avatar Frustrated in VA says:

      Well a lot of voters in Hampton Roads got redistricting and didn’t even have a republican on the ballot. How do you vote conservative if their isn’t even an option for one

      1. avatar gene says:

        That’s an excellent question and should be directed to your County GOP.

  10. avatar Ogre says:

    To me, it is no surprise that Pravda-on-the-Potomac (aka Washington Post) is using Alinsky tactics to villainize Virginia citizens and local governments who defy their wish to turn “redneck” Virginia into another California-style socialist paradise. As to the lefty Democratic delegates and senators who have pre-filed their radical anti-gun bills, they were elected from the lefty/progressive parts of the state (N. Virginia, Roanoke, Richmond, Hampton/Norfolk), where the Democratic voters outnumber the voters in more rural/small-town parts of the state. I expect a lot of gun-sanctuary non-compliance, but the real test will come in the next general election – it all depends on how much the Dems piss off the rest of the state.

  11. avatar Merle 0 says:

    And hallowed ground in Virginia will run red with the blood of Americans once more.

  12. avatar strych9 says:

    “. . . citizens do not have the right or the power to determine on their own say-so whether or not a law is constitutional.”

    An interesting turn of phrase all things considered.

    While it is technically true that individuals do not have the power to determine on their own if a law is constitutional or not it’s pretty clear that the thrust of this comment isn’t reasonable though it strives so hard to appear as such. This is especially true when combined with the statement of waiting “to see what gets passed…”.

    If we were to accept these statements at face value then we would wait until a law is passed to even question the constitutionality of that law (To wait for it to pass to see what’s in it, to borrow from DC parlance). But then we couldn’t do so as individuals because we don’t have that right or power. That would logically mean we have two choices at the individual level, comply or break the law.

    Now if we break the law we cannot claim to be “law abiding gun owners”. But if we comply forthwith we likely have no standing to ask the courts to review our situation. That means the only avenue left to “petition for redress of grievances” is to go on bended knee to the very same people that caused our grievances and ask them to restore us to our prior position. I’d rate the chances of success there as rather unlikely.

    Personally if I were an editor for Blue Virginia I’d rewrite this to “Excuse us, peasants, while we paint you into a corner”. At least that would be somewhat honest. Were I going for maximum brevity I’d rewrite it to “Comply, serf”.

    1. avatar Dani in WA says:

      That, of course, sounds like “Make the enemy live up to it’s own book of rules.”

  13. avatar Dwight Hansen says:

    “They point out the obvious: “. . . citizens do not have the right or the power to determine on their own say-so whether or not a law is constitutional.” We agree, which is why lawful gun owners are asking those who took oaths of office to uphold the Constitution—elected officials, including sheriffs—to uphold their oath of office, no more and no less.”

    Politicians don’t either.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      The issue is there is little consequence for ignoring the constitution and more than a little reward if they do.
      The framers should have included a bit more bite in the USC.

  14. avatar Dwight Hansen says:

    Another wonderful anti-gun thing to happen on my birthday.

    In 2011 Gabrielle Giffords was shot on that day.

    1. avatar LifeSavor says:

      Dwight,

      I understand the sentiment, but are you really happy that Gabby was shot?

      1. avatar Dwight Hansen says:

        “wonderful” was satire

        Both are terrible.

        In 2011 one of my nephews was killed while drunk driving that day too.

        That was a shitty birthday.

      2. avatar Dwight Hansen says:

        Damn, wish I could edit my comment as I totally messed it up…ugh

        This is terrible & is happening on my birthday.
        Giffords was shot on my birthday in 2011 which was also terrible.

        I’ll just have to keep reminding myself that it’s also the birthday of Elvis & Stephen Hawking.

        1. avatar LifeSavor says:

          Thank you, Dwight. I suspected I was missing a subtlety. Condolences for the tragedy that befell your nephew and family!

  15. avatar GS650G says:

    This seems to be far more extreme than CT, NY or M.D. did after Sandy hook. This is a new tactic to play rough and just impose a new way.
    The gambit is people will roll over and just do it. A few posters on TTAG are predicting and even snickering in their sleeves.
    In a few months we’ll see how this all turns out.

  16. avatar bryan1980 says:

    Well, delegate Jones, if a civil war does happen, it’s your side that started it.

  17. avatar Stateisevil says:

    What happens when the legislature doesn’t listen and takes away new purchases of certain magazines and rifles anyway? To fight in kourt is a lost cause. To arms says I. It’s why the 2md was written! The framers new it would come to this eventually.

    1. avatar Aaron says:

      To them I reply, “I dare you!”

  18. avatar DrDKW says:

    I live in one of those Northern Virginia counties and I did NOT vote for the democrat senatorial candidate. Unfortunately, there was NO republican, or any other party, senatorial candidate on the ballot, other than a useless write-in vote!

    1. avatar Frustrated in VA says:

      Same issue in Hampton Roads!!!

    2. avatar b725 says:

      Fortunately my two GOP reps won in the House and Senate, but it was closer than it should have been. I was redistricted as well and have a Dem as U.S. Rep, and no Republican can win, so no one ever runs. I sorta blame the VA Gop, it started going down hill in the early 90s when the beltway neo-cons took over. They look at the southern part of VA in the same manner as most Dems. They want our vote only when it helps them. If you are a native Virginian, you pretty much can’t get elected to statewide office (Gov Coonman is the exception.)

    3. avatar gene says:

      Talk with your County GOP. It’s absurd that happened. Even if there was a 0% chance of winning, it still would have drained $$$ from Bloomberg, Soros, and others.

  19. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    What/where would Leftard’s be without lies and deception,I’ve news for them the entire nation is under the 2 nd. amendment and all gun control laws are blatantly un Constitutional.

    1. avatar Jerry Sweet says:

      Shall not be infringed is the law of the land they can shove it thier sperm filled as

  20. avatar Robert Conner says:

    So sick of this shit! Let’s just fast forward to civil war and be done with it…

  21. avatar T Reeder says:

    All gun laws and policies are unconstitutional! The government’s ability to impose “Reasonable Restraint,” has now become the mantra of our liberal influenced government.
    Supporters of the Bill of Rights claim they have a Constitutional or Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Opponents counter even if it were the case, the government was granted the general power to place restraints on the right. Both of these assertions are based on a misconception concerning the intent of the document known as the Bill of Rights.
    When the Bill of Rights was submitted to the individual States for ratification, it was prefaced with a preamble. As stated in the preamble, the purpose of the Amendments was to prevent the government from “misconstruing or abusing its powers.” To accomplish this, “further declaratory and restrictive clauses” were being recommended. The Amendments, when adopted, did not create any so-called constitutional rights or grant the government any power over individual rights; they placed additional restraints and qualifications on the powers of the government concerning the rights enumerated in the Amendments.
    By advancing the myth Amendments grant the American people their individual rights, the government has illegally converted enumerated restraints and qualifications on its power into legislative, executive, judicial and administrative power over individual rights. The government claims it was granted the constitutional authority to determine the extent of the individual rights enumerated in the Amendments and/or impose “reasonable restraints” on those rights. This assertion is absurd. The government does not have the constitutional authority to ignore, circumvent, modify, negate or remove constitutional restraints placed on its power by the Amendments or convert them into a power over the individual right enumerated in the particular restraint.
    A denial of power or an enumerated restraint on the exercise of power is not subject to interpretation or modification by the entity the restraint is being imposed upon. The restraints imposed by the Amendments, which were adopted 4 years after the Constitution, was executive, judicial or administrative powers of the government. If this were not the case, then the restraints would be meaningless because the government could simply circumvent, modify or remove them. Why would the States have requested and adopted enumerated restraints on government power, subsequent to their ratification of the Constitution, if the government possessed the authority to nullify them?

    1. avatar T Reeder says:

      Legal precedence supporting Constitution and Bill of Rights:
      Marbury v. Madison, 5 US 137: “The Constitution of these United States is the supreme law of the land. Any law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void of law.”
      Murdock v. Penn., 319 US 105: “No state shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and attach a fee to it.”
      Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 373 US 262: “If the state converts a liberty into a privilege, the citizen can engage in the right with impunity.”
      Owen v. Independence, 100 S.C.T. 1398, 445 US 622: “Officers of the court have no immunity, when violating a Constitutional right, from liability for they are deemed to know the law.”
      Scheuer v. Rhodes, 416 U.S. 232, 1974: Expounds upon Owen Byers v. U.S., 273 U.S. 28 Unlawful search and seizure. Your rights must be interpreted in favor of the citizen.
      Boyd v. U.S., 116 U.S. 616: “The court is to protect against any encroachment of constitutionally secured liberties.”
      Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436: “Where rights secured (Affirmed) by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation, which would abrogate them.”
      Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425: “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”
      Miller v. U.S., 230 F.2d. 486, 489: “The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
      Brady v. U.S., 397 U.S. 742, 748: “Waivers of Constitutional Rights, not only must they be voluntary, they must be knowingly intelligent acts done with sufficient awareness.” “If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being a gift of ALMIGHTY GOD, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.” —Samuel Adams, 1772
      Cohens v. Virginia, 19 US (6 Wheat) 264, 404, 5 L.Ed 257 (1821): “When a judge acts where he or she does not have jurisdiction to act, the judge is engaged in an act or acts of treason.”
      Mattox v. U.S., 156 US 237, 243: “We are bound to interpret the Constitution in the light of the law as it existed at the time it was adopted.”
      S. Carolina v. U.S., 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905): “The Constitution is a written instrument. As such, its meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted, it means now.”

    2. avatar Steve says:

      Article I. Bill of Rights
      Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

      That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

  22. avatar B.D. says:

    We should just offers the dems Mexico. There is plenty of room for their “ideas” down there, and it really is a beautiful country. They would fit right in with the cartel.

  23. avatar Sam Hill says:

    The dummies, dingbats, and meatheads, keep electing the same. Someday, maybe robot with outstanding ability of AI and to read will be elected. Until then God save us all.
    God made man.
    Samuel Colt made men equal.

  24. IT IS ABOUT TIME THE UNITED STATES MARSHALS SERVICE STEPED IN AND PUT A STOP TO THIS STUPID CRAP. sedition is a federal crime of the first order. arrest the traitors. prosecute them in a federal court and then shoot them
    درمان استرس بدون دارو

    1. avatar Steve says:

      From The Virginia Constitution:
      Article I. Bill of Rights
      Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

      That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

      Once again: in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Civil Power is The People!

  25. avatar GS650G says:

    A handful of counties may be able to elect the governor but many of these self declared sanctuary counties put a Democrat in office which now gives the racist governor his power.
    If they aren’t going to throw out democrats then their desire to own whatever guns they wish is sold off. Hope the free shit and progressive policies are worth it.

    1. avatar Frustrated in VA says:

      Again, the heaviest populated areas were redistricted to favor the dems… hampton roads, Richmond, fairfax, NoVa, in many cases ONLY had dems on the ballots. Hard to vote for someone who isn’t an option…… so sick of the comments saying we should have voted the other way, when it wasn’t even an option on the ticket……..

      1. avatar GS650G says:

        How about the other counties then? What is the excuse?
        Legislatures aren’t taken over by 5 counties in a state the size of VA or PA even.
        Your rural friends are just to blame as well.

        1. avatar Frustrated in VA says:

          I don’t think you realize that something like 70% of the population of the state lies in 3 metro areas, Richmond, Hampton Roads, and NoVa, (DC area). So yes they can swing the whole state

  26. avatar ronno says:

    Eventually we are going to get to the point where we will have to refuse to give up our guns and put up a real fight to keep our freedom.

    This could lead to a civil war in most of the country. It seems as if liberals have been brainwashed by our enemies to destroy our country from within.

    They hate our country and our rights more than our “enemies” do and have done exponentially more damage to the US than anyone else ever has.

  27. avatar Geoff says:

    Here you see in action why the Presidential Elections are with the Electoral College. So Democrat controlled population centers cannot dictate the winner. A State system of the Electoral College would stop the Democrat controlled Cities from nullifying the Rural Areas votes. 1 Vote per County and the Dems are done in a Red State that Virginia was. Look at all that Red overridden by the few Blue Counties.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/election-results/virginia/

    1. avatar Super Frustrated in VA says:

      Yes this is exactly why the Dems want to abolish the Electoral College. Is there a way we can enact an Electoral College in the State? This would help controlling Northern VA and Tidewater.

  28. avatar Steve says:

    From The Virginia Constitution:
    Article I. Bill of Rights
    Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power

    That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

    Once again: in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Civil Power is The People!

  29. avatar Fun Gunner says:

    The map needs updating! Middlesex County is also now a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary.

    https://www.ssentinel.com/2019/12/05/middlesex-is-now-a-second-amendment-sanctuary-county/

  30. avatar macgearailt says:

    War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is.
    Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.

    Benjamin Franklin

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