There’s no surprise that the Los Angeles Times is heavily biased against gun owners. California is already a hotbed of civilian disarmament, and the idea of the peasants rising up against their rulers doesn’t sit well with the California elite. So, when the top brass at the Angeles Times saw tens of thousands of law abiding gun owners rallying to protect their civil rights, they damn near browned their pants. And in an unsigned editorial entitled Peril from ‘Patriots’, they’ve equated these gun rights supporters with terrorists.
There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal.
They’re not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists.
There’s no basis for that statement. The Southern Poverty Law Center (which is cited in the article) talks about an uptick in “patriot” groups, but is overly broad in their definition. And for an example of how dangerous these groups are, the LA Times uses the example of the Oklahoma City Bombings as these groups “showing their teeth” when that was in reality one guy’s lone wolf plot. In reality, I can’t think of a single instance of a “patriot” group ever actually attacking anything in the United States. But that’s not stopping the LA Times from spreading fear of gun owning citizens.
Patriot groups are motivated by a host of anti-government attitudes, but their primary focus is guns. They are convinced that the government is out to seize their weapons, even though most legislation is focused on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals or restricting the types of weapons that can be sold.
False. Gun control legislation has and will never be an effective means of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. By definition, it only impacts law abiding citizens. And yet, the LA Times doesn’t understand why people don’t agree with their “sensible” and “common sense” approach to civilian disarmament.
Many are also united by belief in an outlandish one-world government conspiracy theory positing that the United Nations is poised to strip away American property rights and impose socialism on us all.
Some do, but no more than Democrats that believe that crystal triangles hold mystical powers. I can trot out the crazies on each side of the aisle, but I try to keep from making sweeping judgments about people based on the people that agree with their point of view.
The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war.
Nice. In one sentence the LA Times derides “bloggers” as not being journalists, and calls everyone who owns a gun a “Neanderthal.” Way to keep it classy, there.
Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists.
Apparently gun owners need to be under DHS surveillance. Because infringing on our fundamental right to bear arms isn’t good enough, but because of our political beliefs we don’t have a right to privacy either. I guess civil rights are only for people the LA Times agrees with . . .
Russell Simmons?Isn’t he the one marketing his own credit cards to rip off minority consumers?
It’s quite clear that the gun grabbers have never read Phillip K. Dick’s short story The Minority Report or the 2002 Steven Spielberg film starring Tom Cruise. Pre-convicting a person of a crime they have not yet committed and may never commit is just plain wrong and in my opinion unconstitutional.
Typical liberal, laws for thee, exceptions for me.
How the hell can we respond to this, I’d say not to ever buy a paper from them, but never have and never will. “Not taking guns away” Nope just making you a felon if you refuse to hand them over… It’s funny about the crystal comment above I was thinking about pot smoking hippy crap…. When will San Andres fault line cut us a break and dump the biggest group of libtards into the Pacific? If you live in Cali and you are a gun rights activist you have my condolences…
Thanks, I think.
Peaceful assembly and editorials… next logical step is suicide bombing! Terrorism is accomplished through the use or threat of violence. Aren’t the civilian disarmament types pushing their agenda by exploiting violence and using fear tactics to infringe on a right? Shouldn’t those expected to serve in a militia be familiar with the tools of service? Do you want to be the firearms training instructor dealing with recruits (or draftees) totally unfamiliar with the functioning of semiautomatic pistols and AR style rifles?
I have one HK P30L. Is there any company that offers improved weapon accessories such as company APEX ? I want to shrink more recoil and trigger stroke
thanks a lot
increasingly frightening numbers : yes
cells of angry men : angry at guys like you. i would call it perturbed.
cells of angry men : don’t forget the wife!
preparing for combat : god i hope not.
heavily armed : yes.
white : no you racist.
right-wing : no
obsessive attachment to guns : yeah, ok.
represent a greater danger : nope
like-minded Neanderthals : you started the name calling momma’s boy
shifting some homeland security money : sequester b-i-tchez.
Early in Obama’s first term and carried over from Bush’s terms, MSM ran articles linking conservatism and mental illness. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/genius-and-madness/200809/is-political-conservatism-mild-form-insanity
Gun owners who identified or labeled as conservative could be automatically excluded from gun ownership. Liberal gun owners could be “outed” as “closet conservative” or “in denial”.
Nevertheless.
Who can I vote for that will deliver on a promise to close Department of Homeland Security?
Save America: Re-elect no one. Ever.
As an atheist libertarian anti-government gun nut, I resent being lumped in with religious right-wingers.
Why the hostility? We like you…
Just another example of people who have never touched, let alone fired a firearm explaining to other people who also have never touched a firearm what typical firearm owners are all about. Kind of like me explaining microbiology to a deaf mute.
let’s just consider what she just said… no waivers for veterans because veterans get PTSD and we can’t tell which ones are dangerous.
Now, let’s substitute some other group… no waivers for black people because lots of black people are in jail and we can’t tell which ones are dangerous…
Really Senator? Are you willing to go down this path? There is no difference between those two statements. You would never, ever make the second one, why do you think it’s ok to make the first?
Should the media that does NOT support the 2nd Amendment be allowed to enjoy the 1st?
yes
I mean if the media does not support my right to use the tools to defend their right to free speech and a free press how can I support them? I can’t support their right if they don’t first support my right.
And they wonder why their readership continues to plummet…
There’s some journalistic integrity for you, not signing a name to an editorial. I harbor no illusions about the press these days. They have been the dogs humping the legs of the liberal establishment for a long time. It just amazes me that the standards of reportage and conduct has sunk so low so fast. Apparently the few people who still read “mainstream” news are ok with this. An allegedly serious newspaper resorting to name calling and hiding behind an un-signed editorial?
Wow! She looks just like the emperor from Star Wars. Scary.
Dear Robert, Spin Doctor, PhD, you’re overlooking the fact that gun violence deaths far out pace military casualties. In discussing gun rights in the year 2013, you intone that “Hundreds of thousands of Americans have given their lives to defend this country,” an all-time figure, I suppose.
Car deaths outpace military deaths also. Your point? Oh that’s right it’s Mikeyb#’s, you don’t have a point. Just a failed blog you keep trying to troll up business for.
It must be truly frustrating for you. Even after Sandy Hook RF has an overwhelmingly successful and growing blog and your’s is still stuck at the starting line.
Spin Doctor, PHD? Desperate ad hominem.
Dear troll,
Nothing in your post makes any sense today. You’ve only accomplished giving the reader the impression that you disagree with RF’s article but have made no progress in enlightening us as to why you disagree. Go back to bed and reset your alarm clock.
How many of you people that are slamming Beck, even bothered to show up at the last NRA convention in St. Louis last year? I am not really a Glenn Beck Fan, I can take him or leave him, however, kudos to him for actually coming out and speaking at the NRA convention. Beck is a shooter and therefore is one of us. So, why not attack the people who are trying to take your rights and guns away and stop with the infighting.
As a firearms trainer and an activist, I try to reach out to liberal gun owners as well. I will take them shooting if they are not a gun owner and will train the ones that are. But when it comes down to it, while true 2nd amendment supporters will vote for guns every time, these people vote for taxing, spending and social justice and never for guns. The revolver by the bedside table they are cool with. They don’t get our “need” for an AR 15.
With that said, the left generally HATE us, because we in the gun culture, don’t bow at the alter of big government. We tend to be self reliant and self sufficient. Directly in opposition to their socialist utopia they want. Which includes banning all guns to make us more civilized, in their warped minds. So, I hate them right back for the most part.
Looks like Darth Sithius in this picture with the whole hunched over, jowls, looks like its dying and has nothing left to live for thing going on.
So no further doubt where they stand.
To the anonymous LA Times libellers of 2nd Amendment activists: Your paranoid hypothesis, that support of the 2nd Amendment presents a danger to our Constitutional Republic, is contradictory by its own terms. You are calling support of a constitutional provision a threat to the government. Is the government now operating under some other founding law? If so, please post details. Thanks.
Let’s you and I share an open secret, OK? Bombers and shooters have as typically been garden-variety weathermen, Bill and Bernadine Ayers types, and devoted Obama-Biden partisans, as much or more than fringe right wingers. They may be core Chicago socialites and academics now, but basically they’re bombers, and generally unrepentant, if I read Bill’s autobiography carefully. They’ve also been liberals and jihadi-leaning Army Officers and ex-LA Cops. They’ve been skinny young Koreans and Hmong. Disaffected reaks come in all flavors. I have yet to see a mass shooting by a group of OFWG 2nd Am. supporters. Agreed?
LA itself does in fact face a large number of armed violent conspiracies, and the LA Times is aware of this: These are active conspiracies shooting actual people every week. Latino gangs conspire to beat and shoot (i.e. terrorize) black people out of neighborhoods the Latino gangs wish to occupy, to take. The Times has done little to help when Latino gangs openly drive black residents out of Central LA neighborhoods with beatings and shootings. You have no OFWG groups doing this sort of thing. We OFWG’s and Young Slim Multi-Ethnics purchase and train with guns and we don’t use them for crime. This worries you? Fix your racist gangs, blacks hating Latinos and Latinos hating blacks (your words from earlier articles). They hate. They have guns. They’ve been shooting people. It’s still going on. Drugs are part of it. Race war is a big part of it. The facts have been covered by the NYT and WaPo repeatedly, borrow their reporting if you need some facts. Then write us a letter, OK? Maybe we can do lunch.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/us/17race.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/…/melt0407a.ht
That video was 4+ minutes of mutual admiration, punctuated with debunked “facts”.
Here’s an idea for Mr. Noir, help jumpstart a pilot program in a majority African American neighborhood to educate and train for effective defense of self and community. Then watch the crime stats drop and spread the word to other similar communities.
Perhaps then a Mexican mayor will then learn of this idea and it will spread like wildfire.
If one is videoed looking that inept, one should destroy said video.
Wow- that was hard to watch.
Tell me how you really feel.
I love my NAA 3 inch barreled Earl. It goes with me everywhere and I can hit easily at 25 yards with it. No problems drawing and firing at closer distances while moving either. I made a little kydex inside the pants slim jim to carry it.
Demonize, slander, misrepresent, hypothesize. Did “he” miss anything in his Idiotorial?
TO: All
RE: Typical Approach
Step 1 — Demonize
Step 2 — Disarm
Step 3 — Destroy
Enjoy,
Chuck(le)
[Be Prepared….the ‘fun’ is about to begin in earnest…..]
“It’s not you, it’s me.” Famous last words that are part of every breakup.
Good thing you were dealing with an inanimate object.
Some days you get the bear. . .
.40 S&W
.223/5.56
“You can’t have enough ammo because…If you could you’d be able to find it in stock.”
9mm
.45
5.56
.35 Whelen
120mm M829A1
“You can’t have enough ammo because…those zombies aren’t going to kill themselves!”
5.56
.45
.40
.38+p
.410
8mm mauser
20ga
16ga
.22LR
…the enemies of liberty are relentless.
I really needed a good beverage spewing laugh, and man oh man, did that deliver!!!!
Where can I send the bill for a new monitor, LOL. 😉
I also admire you have the stones to post this.
9mm I would take 3000 Speer Lawman FMJ 147gr for silencer fun and 300 147gr Gold Dots. Shoot just the same and look cool in the water expansion tests on YouTube.
.40 I would take a hill of Federal FMJ 180gr just to see what the round count on Glock 23 service life actually is. Then about 300 of the 155 Winchester Ranger Talon.
.357 Sig just needs as many Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and Ranger Talons as you can find. Cuz affording em is always tricky and the ballistics are identical as far as energy, weight and speed are concerned…whatever the delivery fairy can manage there. Those are the best of the best and it’d be worth comparing them.
.45ACP I want 10,000 rounds of Remington UMC Target. I love this ammo. It’s nickel cased FMJ and it would go good with any .45 I’ve played with and own without corroding in storage.
5.55mm/.223 I want about 50,000 of the Lake City steel penetrator load. It would be good to break my AR in on and do good when the zombies start driving vehicles and taking cover.
You can never have enough ammo because…personnel carried lasers haven’t been released for commercial sale.
Time to get sentimental…
When I was a kid growing up in LA, I noticed at T-ball practice kids were all being hauled off by their parents. That’s odd, I thought. Then my dad came, grabbed me off the field, and just carried me away. He said there was a riot, which I didn’t understand. There was smoke from the fires everywhere creating a fog like haze.
He sat me and my brother in front of the TV and told us to play video games (an old Atari, of course). I watched as he got out his Colt National Match .45, got out the ammo (because he kept them separate, always a good idea with young kids in the house) and picked through the ammo he had in his .50 caliber ammo can. He literally tossed aside a bunch of stuff, until he found his box of 230 grain Federal Hydra-Shok ammo, and loaded it up. He sat in the living room watching the news, with the gun right by his side, and I never felt safer. Federal Hydra-Shok is the only ammo I will ever use if I have a choice. Of course I run cheap stuff for practice, but after those few days, everything else is just that, cheap stuff.
“You can’t have enough ammo because . . . the wife keeps borrowing my stuff !”
45-70
308
338
9mm
357
38special
45acp
Having lived in both New Zealand & Austraila and seen the push by some “gun owners” there for the types of bans being pushed here, I have come to realize that some so called gun owners simply don’t care, “I dont own THOSE type of weapons so it doesn’t effect me” crowd. It’s not until they get a knock on the door by the police who are there to take their single shot 12ga that it becomes real for them. A WACO will not wake them up as they consider any that resist as nut jobs, because we all know that the Second Amendment is all about hunting… right.
9mm, .45acp, and the increasingly elusive 8mm Mauser.
You can never have enough ammo because King Andy and his Knights of the Purple Tie aren’t going to be there when I need to protect my home.
the hunters and liberals that own just 1 gun for whatever reason will wake up when someone comes knocking on their door and says “i am here to collect your gun(s).”
I love articles like this. Shows they’re getting scared, and they should be.
“Terrorist” is the new “racist.” When a guy has no logical argument or support for their beliefs, but feels that bubbling cauldron of hatred for opposition anyway because he’s mentally and emotionally unstable, just blurt out “racist” or “terrorist.”
Keep wetting your pants, fascist bootlickers. I’m loving every second of it.
Truth be told, the LA Times just advocated for the destruction of multiple civil rights of people they don’t agree with. I call for them to be arrested on hate crime, inciting violence, and they should all be monitored by DHS.
You don’t need to dress like a soldier to hunt down a killer. I think hunters who spend a ton on camouflage and other nonsense that their forefathers didn’t need and shooters who show up at the range all mall ninja’d up are jokes. But that’s harmless.
This isn’t a joke, though, because cops actually have authority and the power of life and death over the commoner. And they’re not playing pretend. They think they’re the real deal.
They are the new class of the king’s men. Modern day knights meet inquisitors of old.