Kyle Rittenhouse Cooperated Fully With Police Following the Kenosha Shootings

Kyle rittenhouse kenosha shooting

Kyle Rittenhouse sits while listening during an extradition hearing in Lake County court Friday, Oct. 30, 2020, in Waukegan, Ill. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh, Pool)

From the Associated Press:

A visibly upset 17-year-old accused of fatally shooting two demonstrators in Wisconsin told officers at his local police station in Illinois where to find an assault rifle he said he had used just two hours earlier to shoot several people, according to police records.

Kyle Rittenhouse cycled through a range of emotions, crying and vomiting several times, as he described to police what happened late on Aug. 25 after he traveled to Kenosha, ostensibly to protect businesses from protesters following the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old Black man, the Antioch Police Department records show.

“I shot two white kids,” Rittenhouse said, adding that he had “ended a man’s life.”

Rittenhouse walked into the Antioch Police Department with his mother shortly before 1:30 a.m. on Aug. 26, according to records the department released to The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and Chicago Tribune on Friday.

He is accused in the killing of two protesters and the wounding of a third. Rittenhouse faces a misdemeanor charge of underage firearm possession in Wisconsin, in addition to first-degree intentional homicide, which carries a life prison sentence. He was extradited to Wisconsin on Friday.

Rittenhouse’s case has taken on a political edge, with some conservatives portraying him as a patriot who was exercising his right to bear arms during unrest. Others see him as a domestic terrorist who incited protesters by showing up wielding a rifle.

He started to cry after learning from family members about negative social media comments over the shootings, the records say. He said he was hit in the head and neck with a baseball bat and skateboard. Medics found small scratches on his arm, but no bruising or cuts.

Rittenhouse also told police that the firearm he used was in the trunk of his friend’s car, parked at the Rittenhouse’s family apartment in Antioch.

Police interviewed Rittenhouse’s 18-year-old friend, who told them he bought the rifle at an Ace Hardware in Ladysmith, Wisconsin, using money Rittenhouse had given him. The friend said the rifle was only supposed to be used for hunting and that he stored it in a safe at his stepfather’s house in Kenosha.

The stepfather told police that his stepson told him he had found himself a job guarding a business. Rittenhouse also told police that he had been hired as security for a Kenosha business and that he carried the rifle to protect himself. The owner of the business, Car Source, has told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he did not hire any security.

Rittenhouse’s lawyers have argued he was acting in self-defense. Rittenhouse told police that he had been chased by a man whom he had tried to stop hitting windows.

The teenager had tried to surrender to a Kenosha police officer after the shooting but was told to go home, according to the records.

The Kenosha Police Department has said it was dealing with a chaotic scene when asked why Rittenhouse was not arrested immediately after the shooting. The police department did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the records indicating Rittenhouse was told by an officer to go home.

Rittenhouse and his friend are not facing any charges in Illinois related to possession of the gun. Prosecutors there have said the rifle was “not immediately accessible” to Rittenhouse and his friend because it was locked up in the trunk, the police records say.

Rittenhouse’s friend was worried he would be in more trouble than Rittenhouse. According to the police records, the friend claimed Rittenhouse was defending himself, though he did not witness the shooting. The friend has not been criminally charged in either state.

He recalled telling Rittenhouse: “In all reality, you are not supposed to have that gun.”

comments

  1. avatar NORDNEG says:

    “””FREE KYLE”””

    & his friend will probably be lucky if he avoids a ‘straw purchase’ charge…

    There could be a lot of Kyle’s after 11/3/2020

    1. avatar Yep says:

      Inauguration day isn’t until January 20th my dude.

      1. avatar Ol'Sarge says:

        The Left claim they’ll be in the streets much earlier if the election doesn’t go their way! Reference major cities with coordinated defensive plans and even Beverly Hills getting ready – Rodeo Drive will be closed !

        1. avatar Darkman says:

          Democrat Controlled cities all over the Nation are having businesses boarding up their store fronts as if a hurricane is coming. They know whats coming is wholesale rioting by Burn Loot Menace and Antifa because it’s been happening for months. Regardless of how the election comes out they know those in Control will not allow the Police to stop the Chaos. If they haven’t already these business owners are about to feel the pain and suffering of Socialist Ideological fueled Mayhem.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          Yes, democrat cities may be preparing their retail establishments and government buildings for protests.

          Meanwhile, Republican cities are preparing for Typhoid Trump’s mass casualties from his hoax pandemic.

          “Coronavirus live updates: El Paso County gets 4th mobile morgue as death toll rises”

          Remember, don’t wear a mask, that is just liberals stealing your freedom!

        3. avatar Ol'Sarge says:

          49er – WOW – you really are lost n the MSN world aren’t you. Last time I was in ElPasso, it was right on the BORDER ! And a major crossing point for Texas (3 POE’s). Have you noticed the Death Rate/Toll for the –>
          “C”hina “O”riginated “V”irus “I”. “D” #19 in Mexico? Mexico’s death rate is 10.1%, the U.S. death rate is 2.5%. While you’re at it California is 2 in Covid cases – right behind Texas – Both are Border States.
          So if you are in Mexico and diagnosed with or think you’ve contracted Covid – What would you do? >>>
          And how do “Trump Supporters fall into this equation?

        4. avatar jwm says:

          Keep pouring it on miner. You only have a short time left to turn folks to Trump in the election. Bless you for being you. Nobody has worked as hard as you to get Trump his second term. Not even Trump himself. You’re a jewel.

      2. avatar Hannibal says:

        Either way, unless the governor issues a pardon (he won’t) this isn’t going to be resolved for many months, possibly years.

      3. avatar Hanzel Gretel says:

        So. ….. what’s your point?…. NOBODY ASKED WHAT YOUR OPINION WAS…..MY BICH

  2. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Who writes this Bravo Sierra,never mind I know some warped Leftard,AP,anything by any means to further the agenda.

    FREE KYLE and INCARCERATE the PROSECUTOR

    1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      There sure are a lot of interesting comments down further in this page vilifying Kyle and saying things like “he shouldn’t have been there” to somehow serve up his guilt for all to see.

      Let’s all remember that the primary reason for his arrest and trial are his actions in which three people were shot, and two of which died of their wounds. That is the crux of the matter…everything else being discussed is secondary and fluff for the media’s consumption.

      In the actual moments of gunfire, Kyle was attempting to remove himself from danger, and was chased by angry individuals who were intent (by both their actions and words, all caught on multiple videos) on causing Kyle harm or death. All three who were shot had chased Kyle, assaulted him, and attempted to take his weapon. Ask any LEO what he/she would do if such happened to him/her, and you’ll be told that assailants would be given quick injections of leaded deterrent.

      Nobody has been asking why the assailants were there in Kenosha, or why they had (and were using) weapons, or whatever. Even though they were clearly the aggressors.

      The important thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.

      1. avatar CarlosT says:

        Exactly. Rittenhouse was running away the whole time. If the so-called victims had not pursued him, there would have been no incident, no shootings, no deaths.

        If you look at what triggers the rioting, the only conclusion left is they’re demanding to be exempt from the law. They should be allowed to burn, steal, maim, and even murder, all without consequences. You, on the other hand, have no right to resist. If you do, the full weight of the law will come down on you.

  3. avatar Sam I Am says:

    Once again….believe only half of what you hear, and none of what you see.

    1. avatar Imayeti says:

      Amen bro. When I worked the streets as a paramedic, never once did the MSM accurately report what I saw first hand.

    2. avatar Ing says:

      I think that should be the other way around. Believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear.

      Even media sources you normally trust (TTAG, whoever) can still get it wrong. And if it’s a “mainstream” source concerning anything where progressives have a vested interest, you can be absolutely certain that even if they do get the bare facts right, they’re framing it to warp your perception of events.

      VERIFY EVERYTHING, no matter where you saw it.

      Speaking of which, having seen numerous videos of Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions the morning after — unedited videos from a variety of individuals before the spin commenced — I know for an absolute certainty that young man is a hero. We need more like him.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        The reason for the term inversion is that video, not print is the dominant factor in presenting things to the public. Video drives everything, print (social media) follows. So, no matter what is shown on the TV/phone, disbelieve it entirely (because of rampant and unapologetic manipulation). Disbelieve at least half of what is written because it is derived from what you see.

        In the current matter, original reporting is obviously evolving/changing/re-shaping.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          “In the current matter, original reporting is obviously evolving/changing/re-shaping.”

          You say that like it’s a bad thing.

          Every investigation follows a similar trajectory, as new information is obtained and witnesses testify.

          To expect the original story to be 100% accurate is unrealistic, obviously competent investigators will develop the information and evidence.

          For instance, we now know that Kyle and his friend engaged in a conspiracy to circumvent federal firearms laws and provide a weapon to an otherwise prohibited person, all federal felonies.

          The conspirators then proceeded to cross state lines with the unlawfully obtained weapon, where two people were killed in the commission of the federal felony of interstate transport of a firearm by a prohibited person.

        2. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          Kyle is not a “prohibited person.” Nice try.

          I’m not even sure this qualifies as a straw purchase, since the friend possesses the firearm.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          The article reports that Kyle said he provided the funds for the weapon.

          There’s really no way around it, it takes two to tango, both are guilty of conspiracy and execution of a strawman purchase.

          Yes, Kyle was a prohibited person because he was only 17 and received his weapon illegally.

          All this is predicated on the reporting above and in other sources, of course the true focus of the case can change as more evidence is revealed over time.

      2. avatar Eugene says:

        I absolutely agree sir this young man was in fear of his life and proceeded to protect himself which every american has the right to do some of these whinny ass politician’s are trying their damnedest to take that right from us 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          “this young man was in fear of his life”

          Is that why he engaged in a criminal conspiracy to circumvent federal firearms laws and obtain a firearm in a strawman purchase?

          And then engage in interstate transport of his illegally obtained weapon?

        2. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          You’re on a roll today, Miner.

          Rittenhouse did not illegally transport the firearm across state lines. The firearm did cross state lines after the incident, but when it did so, Rittenhouse did not have constructive possession of it.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          Kyle directed the movement of the weapon, he provided the funds for the weapon and engaged in a criminal conspiracy to violate federal firearms laws.

          Kyle and his co-conspirator executed their strawman transaction before Kyle and the weapon ended up together across state lines.

          No way around it, Kyle was in illegal possession of a firearm when he crossed state lines, another federal felony.

          During the commission of that felony, two people died by that very firearm.

          Does WI have a felony murder statute?

  4. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

    “Police interviewed Rittenhouse’s 18-year-old friend, who told them he bought the rifle at an Ace Hardware in Ladysmith, Wisconsin, using money Rittenhouse had given him. The friend said the rifle was only supposed to be used for hunting and that he stored it in a safe at his stepfather’s house in Kenosha.”

    The friend may be up for a straw purchase charge, it seems. Or are there nuances to the law that we’re not aware of?

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      There are no nuances. See Abramski v. United States. It’s a seriously bad holding written by Kagan, so you know it sux.

    2. avatar Eric in Oregon says:

      “The friend said the rifle was only supposed to be used for hunting”

      F that ‘friend’, this sounds like he’s trying to throw Kyle under the bus. It won’t even make a difference WRT his straw purchase, but this seems to be a weasel trying to distance himself from he and Kyles’ plan.

    3. avatar Sam I Am says:

      “The friend may be up for a straw purchase charge, it seems. Or are there nuances to the law that we’re not aware of?”

      One oft used nuance is testimony in return for leniency (of course, the feds may have not weighed in, yet).

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        “One oft used nuance is testimony in return for leniency…”

        Ahhhh, I see a little clearer now, thanks.

        The trial should happen by mid-terms, 2022…

  5. avatar Ralph says:

    “Kyle Rittenhouse Cooperated Fully With Police”

    That was his second mistake.

    1. avatar The Huscarl says:

      Fist mistake. He did nothing wrong previously.

      1. avatar Eric in Oregon says:

        ^ This. Kyle did nothing wrong.

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          He engaged in a criminal conspiracy to violate federal laws against strawman purchases and, in fact, completed the strawman purchase by providing funds to his co-conspirator who perpetrated a fraud on the federal government by falsifying form 4473.

          His friend is also guilty along with Kyle for executing a conspiracy to provide weapons to a prohibited person.

          He is going to prison on federal felony charges.

          He also told the police he had been hired as a security guard, providing false information in the furtherance of obstruction of justice during a murder investigation.

          State felony charges will apply.

          “Police interviewed Rittenhouse’s 18-year-old friend, who told them he bought the rifle at an Ace Hardware in Ladysmith, Wisconsin, using money Rittenhouse had given him. The friend said the rifle was only supposed to be used for hunting and that he stored it in a safe at his stepfather’s house in Kenosha.

          The stepfather told police that his stepson told him he had found himself a job guarding a business. Rittenhouse also told police that he had been hired as security for a Kenosha business and that he carried the rifle to protect himself. The owner of the business, Car Source, has told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he did not hire any security.”

        2. avatar Ing says:

          mwa-mwah bwa-bwah mfufmu muhmmf…

          Your opinions carry almost as much weight as the muffled pronouncements of the invisible adults in the Charlie Brown cartoons.

        3. avatar Mike V says:

          Miner…
          “He also told the police he had been hired as a security guard, providing false information in the furtherance of obstruction of justice during a murder investigation.”

          Of course the shop wouldn’t aknowledge this

          …gawd you’re a gullible dupe…

          Should be Narrative49er

      2. avatar beefeater says:

        His first mistake was going to Kenosha. He played a stupid game, and won a stupid prize.

        1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          He works in Kenosha, genius. He went to Kenosha for work.

        2. avatar Hannibal says:

          He wasn’t there “working.” This was not someone going to the movie theater where he works as a ticket taker who got ambushed. He went there because there was conflict. Doesn’t make him guilty but let’s not pretend that the situation was otherwise.

        3. avatar Ol'Sarge says:

          Old stories about the incident (with pics) – he works/volunteers in that town. He was already there helping clean graffiti off the buildings (pics) when asked to help with the group guarding the car dealership. His 1st incident was putting out a dumpster fire they were rolling into the street. (also on film). And was the 1st incident on film where deceased #1 confronted him. There is a lot to the story you are missing.
          Also – WHY has no one picked up on the “He only threw a plastic bag” at Kyle – B/S/ story. How far can any of you throw a EMPTY plastic bag?

        4. avatar Joel says:

          Kyle took a stand with his fellow townsfolk. Kenosha is a border town. He works there. These were his people and this was his town. By all appearances The abundant video evidence shows he acted in self defense and the shootings were justifiable.

          Should he have been there in the first place? Did he know how sideways things could go and how the press and the mob would twist the narrative?

          I have said on this site before that if Kyle was my son, I would have been royally pissed to find out he walked into the situation in the first place. It was dangerous and stupid. I would also be fiercely proud of his behavior and actions during the events of the night.

          My only hope (and Kyle’s) is that Wisconsin voters come to their senses and vote out the real crooks in this case…

        5. avatar Anonymous says:

          His first mistake was going to Kenosha. He played a stupid game, and won a stupid prize.

          It was a sacrifice. He sacrificed himself to protect the livelihoods of business owners in Kenosha.

          What did you do? Other than eat some dudes beefy meat?

        6. avatar Anonymous says:

          He went there because there was conflict. Doesn’t make him guilty but let’s not pretend that the situation was otherwise.

          Hannibal,

          He didn’t go there because there was conflict. He went there because people’s livelihood ere being destroyed.

        7. avatar Miner49er says:

          “The stepfather told police that his stepson told him he had found himself a job guarding a business. Rittenhouse also told police that he had been hired as security for a Kenosha business and that he carried the rifle to protect himself. The owner of the business, Car Source, has told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he did not hire any security.”

          So who is being less than truthful, 17-year-old Kyle or the car lot owner?

          What are the legal consequences for giving false information to a police officer in order to obstruct justice during a murder investigation?

        8. avatar jwm says:

          So, miner. You trust the word of the filthy capitalist business owner over that of an innocent 17yo? Do the rest of your commie buddies know that you favor the wealthy?

        9. avatar Miner49er says:

          Come on jaybird, that’s all pretty weak.

          I don’t know the answer, I wasn’t there, I haven’t seen the evidence or heard the testimony of the witnesses.

          But by Kyle’s own admission, he committed multiple federal felonies related to obtaining, possessing and transporting his firearm, before anyone was killed.

          Question, in Wisconsin, do they have the felony murder statute?

        10. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          “But by Kyle’s own admission, he committed multiple federal felonies related to obtaining, possessing and transporting his firearm, before anyone was killed.”

          Obtaining: wrong. Rittenhouse paid for a firearm for his friend, who possesses the firearm after the purchase.

          Possessing: wrong. Rittenhouse was fully lawful in possessing a long gun in WI.

          Trqnsporting…before…: wrong. The firearm was purchased in WI, possessed in WI, and used in the incident in WI. It was transported across state lines – to the police – by Rittenhouse’s mother after the incident.

          If Rittenhouse had left the firearm in WI after the incident, you would likely now be claiming he committed some crime of hiding evidence or obstructing justice or some other nonsense.

        11. avatar jwm says:

          Chip. Kyle shot 3 of miners fellows. That’s why he’s out for blood. Kyle dared to shoot a pedo and a wife abuser. You know, perfect brownshirts for antifa.

          And this pisses miner off. miner hates, hates, business men and the wealthy. Yet he will make an exception for the car dealer that claims to have not hired Kyle for security. Suddenly that business man is trustworthy.

          Kyle bought a rifle for his friend. His friend loaned it to Kyle and Kyle used it properly. I see no crime except the one the system is running on Kyle.

        12. avatar Miner49er says:

          “Rittenhouse paid for a firearm for his friend, who possesses the firearm after the purchase.”

          Based on the reporting in the article, it seems rather far-fetched. And there are multiple pictures on social media of Kyle with the firearm.

          In any case, evidence will be presented and witnesses will testify and a jury will decide.

          And jaybird, I wish you had fought as hard for Tamir Rice as you are for Kyle.

        13. avatar jwm says:

          What makes you think I didn’t, miner?

          But these are two entirely different matters. But thanks to folks like you Trump will get a second term and one of the first things he will do is have antifa and their supporters branded as terrorists.

          There are times I cannot accept how clueless you really are. Then I think’meh, MU faculty member. He’s that clueless.’

        14. avatar Miner49er says:

          “Then I think’meh, MU faculty member. He’s that clueless.’”

          You are too kind! I appreciate your over estimation of my intelligence and academic achievement, but no, I’m not a member of any university faculty.

        15. avatar jwm says:

          And still that clueless. Damn, miner. What was it? Hard drugs? Head injuries?

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      I’m not so sure. It’s probably a better idea in general to get a lawyer and filter everything through him but George Zimmerman’s cooperating with police certainly didn’t hurt him and I don’t see anything about Rittenhouse’s statements that will hurt him… if he’s telling the truth.

      His straw buyer friend, on the other hand…

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        Kyle was also a party to that transaction, it appears…

  6. avatar Jayk74 says:

    And this is why you shouldn’t tell the cops a thing. Make them work for the info, don’t just hand them a “case” on a platter.

    1. avatar Ol'Sarge says:

      JayK74 – one would have hoped his mom had brought a (their) lawyer with them. But it doesn’t sound like it.
      In todays world of Political prosecutors, that is a Must Have. Especially if you “think” you’re innocent. Even the criminals know better.

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      What did he hand them? His friend may have handed them a case on himself for straw purchase. Other than that, I don’t see anything inculpating Rittenhouse.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        Hannibal, Kyle provided the funds for the transaction, he was a co-conspirator who helped to execute the strawman purchase in violation of federal law.

        “The stepfather told police that his stepson told him he had found himself a job guarding a business. Rittenhouse also told police that he had been hired as security for a Kenosha business and that he carried the rifle to protect himself. The owner of the business, Car Source, has told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he did not hire any security.”

        So who is being less than truthful, 17-year-old Kyle or the car lot owner?

        What are the legal consequences for giving false information to a police officer in order to obstruct justice during a murder investigation?

        1. avatar Joseph says:

          Go do something useful like beat off dude. You’re like a fucking fly at a picnic.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          Sorry, all the flies are busy buzzing around their leader, Lord of the Flies Mike Pence.

        3. avatar Chris Mallory says:

          The rifle was stored out of state at the home of the man who purchased it. No straw purchase at all.

          Besides the GCA of 68 is unconstitutional and any juror with a conscience should vote not guilty of any “straw man” charges, no matter who the defendant is.

          As for lying to the cops, as long as it is legal for government employees to lie to citizens these charges also merit a “not guilty” .

          Of course we know you would have upheld the Fugitive Slave Laws since you love upholding unjust laws.

  7. avatar FedUp says:

    I thought the gun was never in Illinois?

    1. avatar Eric in Oregon says:

      So did I, that was kind of a key point in the original story since Kyle couldn’t have purchased it in IL.

    2. avatar Chip Bennett says:

      *Rittenhouse* never had possession of the gun while in IL.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        Didn’t he and his mom have it in their trunk when he turned himself into his hometown police officers?

        Here it is, it was in his friends trunk he says, but it was indeed in Illinois. How did it get from Kyle’s possession in Kenosha and back to his apartment complex in Illinois?

        “Rittenhouse also told police that the firearm he used was in the trunk of his friend’s car, parked at the Rittenhouse’s family apartment in Antioch.”

        1. avatar Huntmaster says:

          Know that Kyles lawyers are vacuuming these comments up to be used in future lawsuits once he prevails on the criminal charges. Good luck.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          They are certainly welcome to vacuum up the comments on this list, including comments about Kyle and his friend conspiring and executing a strawman purchase in violation of federal law.

          They are also welcome to comments regarding Kyle’s obstruction of justice by lying to the police about his fake employment in Kenosha.

  8. avatar Calling all people and the 28 billion dollar with B gun industry! What do u do for gun rights? says:

    Calling all people and the 28 billion dollar with B gun industry!
    What do u do for gun rights?

    The Corrupt Bygon/Haress campaign has bail funds for terrorist & treasonous scum bags… why not a bail fund for patriots & true Americans??

    The gun Industry…Its a 28 BILLION WITH A B Dollar industry……ALL Gun/Related Companies! Give a Million every year to SAF,GOA,FPC who are fighting with lawsuits all over the country for our rights!

    If all gun related companies gave 1 percent of 28 Billion = 280 Million to gun rights organizations our fight could look different..like ending the illegal NFA!

    A single anti-gun company, Amazon, had revenue of $178 billion a year in 2017 double/triple that in 2020 with the scamdemic!

    ALL GUN & related COMPANIES! Give a Million to SAF,GOA,FPC who are fighting with lawsuits all over the country for our rights!

    Its a Multi BILLION WITH A B industry……

    NSSF=Fudds Support Red Flag Laws, Fake Mental Health Gun Confiscation etc..etc…

    VOTE! VOTE!VOTE! VOTE!VOTE! VOTE!VOTE! VOTE!VOTE! VOTE!VOTE! VOTE!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabethmacbride/2018/11/25/americas-gun-business-is-28b-the-gun-violence-business-is-bigger/?sh=45a9f743ae87

    1. avatar Joel says:

      Reading comprehension above is seriously lacking. Is this post a byproduct of common core I wonder?

  9. avatar red wolf says:

    Of course he did, he’s a boot licker. And know he’s going to find out the hard way that “backing the blue” doesn’t mean the “blue” will back “you”. 💩🤡

    1. avatar Void says:

      Ok commie

      1. avatar De Facto says:

        I think there are some questions you should ask and answer before calling anyone who dislikes the police a Commie.

        (1) Have the police fairly and uniformly enforced the law and kept the peace?
        (2) Have the police respected the rights of the individual, law abiding citizen?
        (3) Have the police chosen to be loyal to the Constitution?
        (4) Have the police denounced the idea of simply “following orders”?

        If for any of these questions you can’t say “Yes” then you are right to be skeptical of the Police. When the answer to all of those questions is a resounding “NO” perhaps it is time to revisit the idea of blind loyalty to “the blue”.

      2. avatar Chris Mallory says:

        You support a big government, progressive agency and you call people opposed to it “commie”. You need to look in the mirror.

        1. avatar Void says:

          Given the attention from that ACAB crowd I think my comment is about right. Also looking at your posting history you are more than welcome to join the revolution.

    2. avatar Travis Bickle says:

      You have a point. The thin blue line hasn’t indicated to me they appreciate very much being “backed” and are quicker to support and slower to arrest the people that hate them than they are the people who support them. I used to think the blue would be on our side if SHTF, nothing I’ve seen the past few months indicates to me they would. BLM, Antifa, etc, gets a pass and good guys go to jail.

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        May be a stupid question but past the initial arrest do the cops get to decide who goes to trial?

        1. avatar Travis Bickle says:

          The initial arrest is kinda important.

        2. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          So not addressing the question? Well maybe Void isn’t far off.

        3. avatar Ol'Sarge says:

          They Wish ! But No – cops don’t. They do collect the information for the prosecutor. Just look at the revolving door BLM/ANTIFA have in major cities. Those organizations have their attorneys lined up, and several have Soros picked prosecutors to help. In & out in one night. Ready for the next days activities.

        4. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Ol’Sarge there are more than a few moments where I wonder if those groups mentioned may have their own internet based disinformation where they may just put out inaccurate or even misleading information in an attempt to make events, people, and ideologies involved more difficult to discern perhaps even using multiple screen names in the same comment boards…………..but that would be crazy.

        5. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          “But No – cops don’t. They do collect the information for the prosecutor.”

          Only some of it.

          The political motivation of the prosecutor depends on how much effort they will spend digging for the conclusion that they may or may not be seeking. An example of that would be the black jogger in Georgia pursued by the guys in trucks. Until the point of community outrage, it looked like the prosecutor was going to no-bill it…

        6. avatar Ol'Sarge says:

          Geoff – Good Point ! BUT ? – wouldn’t that would be the (Political hack) prosecutor deciding, not the police. “Hey – lets take another look at this” and point the investigation in the direction he/she wants? As in the Zimmerman case and others as well?
          Not saying a political Police chief couldn’t do the same – which to your point, has happened as well.

        7. avatar Chris Mallory says:

          Police refer charges all the time. The DA will choose to pursue them or not. But to say the cops have no say in what goes to trial is misdirection.

        8. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Chris may want to take a second look at Portland and New York city selective prosecution/confinement is increasingly a thing and yes the cops input is at best marginal.

  10. avatar rt66paul says:

    Why is someone a “commie” if he doesn’t believe the blue will back a young citizen. The Blue stands up for other Blue. I have known LEOs that would not trust anyone not LE, including Firemen.
    This is representative of the way the PC world think. If they can keep us all fighting, they will get control.
    Many of us are citizens and most want the same thing for themselves and their families, so we need to get together and find a common ground.

    1. avatar Unquestioning 🥾 👅 says:

      …because most of the posters on TTAG are insufferable 🥾 👅, especially James Campbell, his lover Geoff ‘Goof’ PR and the always sanctimonious I Haz A Question.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        Who are still outnumbered by the dozen or so personas you post under. All sharing the same mental illness.

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          JWM, each and every time I see that, I hear cash registers ringing up that free rent I’m collecting living in its head. And that is so funny on so many levels, it’s the gift that just keeps on giving.

          Hear that boy? I’m *loving* this shit!

          I order you keep demonstrating your mental illness!

          I order you to DANCE! 🙂

        2. avatar James Campbell says:

          🤣
          Well said Geoff!
          Trump/Pence 2020

        3. avatar James Campbell says:

          Hey Geoff, did you see that Trijicon/SPUHR setup on DUAs AR-10 P308 SPR? That’s one slick piston gun. 🤤

          https://www.waltherforums.com/threads/one-and-done-ar-thoughts.115918/page-8

          Jeez, wish I could own something like that. But alas, I was told I wasn’t allowed to by the TTAG sh!t slinging leashed monkeys. 🤔

        4. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          We’re all here, so might as well make it a trifecta.

          Hail/Durrr/Cames/Chewboxa…I could join in and say “I order you to dance, troll”, but guess what…

          You’re already dancing. Just like you’ve been ordered to do by the others. Nothing left for me to do but get the popcorn and watch the show.

    2. avatar jwm says:

      Common ground with red wolf and miner49er? First thing, give up your guns. After that they will tell you what common ground you can have.

      Appeasement does not work.

    3. avatar Void says:

      Read through the last weeks posting history and get back to me. In and of itself you are correct but context matters.

  11. avatar Elmer Fudd says:

    Kylie should not have volunteered to protect businesses. Once there, he should have been wearing a mask and not carrying a cell phone. Shoot and shovel then shut up. Repeat as necessary.

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      Not a chance that he wouldn’t have been identified. But he would have been infinitely better off if he had gotten out of there immediately instead of messing around on the phone after the first shooting.

      I guess he also could have basically refused to take no for an answer from police and made them cuff him.

      Basically anything that prevented the second part of the shooting would have been good for him. Nobody even talks about the first “victim” anymore because it’s hard to defend a pedophilic serial rapist.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        Pedo serial rapist. Pretty much a standard antifa storm trooper.

  12. avatar former water walker says:

    This AP diatribe may be the worst pos scribble ever published on TTAG. Shame on you…

    1. avatar Adub says:

      Yeah, WTF is up with TTAG spamming the site with regurgitated AP stories from now on?

      We can do better content.

    2. avatar Chip Bennett says:

      Yeah, the AP copy lost me at “assault rifle.”

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        What you expect accurate terminology and journalistic integrity? Yeesh demanding much?

        1. avatar former water walker says:

          “ASSault rifle”…I don’t consider my S&W Sport an “assault rifle”. Giggle switch required!😡

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      Wow!

      Kyle is in Indian country for sure.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        If you ask the Native Americans, it’s all Indian territory.

        1. avatar CarlosT says:

          Well, it’s a little late for that. Sorry folks, the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries happened. Welcome to the 21st.

        2. avatar Miner49er says:

          Right Carlos, you can commit any crime against anybody you want and if you can get away with it for long enough. It’s all OK!

          Yes sir, conservatives are the party of ‘law and order’ or is it ‘I got mine! Screw you!’.

          It is very strange, what passes for ‘patriotism’ these days.

          I mean, that US Constitution is so 18th century, right Carlos?

    2. avatar Ing says:

      So when the AP wrote that a judge in Illinois said “it wasn’t his role to vet a case brought by Wisconsin protestors and approved by a Wisconsin judge,” they were telling the truth. Accidentally, of course…

      You can read it here…or anywhere else on the internet, if you search the for the quoted phrase above: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-judge-orders-kyle-rittenhouse-to-be-extradited-to-wisconsin/

  13. avatar Bob in IN says:

    #FreeKyle

  14. This is what our country is coming to when the innocent is thrown in prison for defending himself or his or her family this is a clear çase of self defense this young man was doing nothing more than defending himself which every american has the right to do but it’s all coming in clear as to what the anti gunner politician’s are wanting to do with this case yeah it’s definitely becoming political they are wanting to use Kyle as an example to show the world that we do not have the right to defend ourselves this only thing this young man did wrong was cooperate with the police his case will be on a national level just because of the things going on in our society today which is just exactly what the leftard want I don’t know who his lawyers are but this now becoming more political than ever how can he even have a fair trial?

  15. avatar CentralVirginian says:

    Young Kyle would have been well advised to watch Regent University Law Professor James Duane’s video, “Dont talk to the police.” Its probably the best educational content available on youtube.

  16. avatar jwm says:

    How much looting, burning and rioting has occurred in Kenosha since Kyle defended himself against 3 brown shirt thugs?

    There is a lesson to be learned here.

  17. avatar Dan says:

    The CARDINAL RULE for interactions with LEO is to NEVER ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. The ONLY
    statement you should make to them is ” I WANT A LAWYER”. They are NOT your friends and will
    HAPPILY toss your innocent ass in prison for the rest of your life to ‘clear a charge’ and look good.
    They will lie to you. They will hide or destroy evidence if they decide said evidence doesn’t serve
    THEIR needs. They will commit perjury. They are the handmaidens of the criminals in politics. NOT
    enforcers of justice.

    1. avatar Mercury says:

      “I intend to cooperate fully with law enforcement, but I will not answer any questions without a lawyer present.”

      Why this, and not simply “I want a lawyer” as you wrote? Because prosecutors will put that short sentence in front of a jury as proof that you’re guilty. Because as the average TV watching American has been taught (by CSI and Bones and the like,) when someone demands a lawyer in an interrogation, that means they’re the killer and now the good guys just have to figure out how to stick it to ’em.

      In other words, it’s not just the police and the prosecutors who are your enemy, but the media as well, and you can’t use any of the trap words they’ve programmed into the NPCs or you’ll end up facing a jury that has already decided you’re guilty no matter what else goes on in the courtroom.

  18. avatar Matt says:

    So, for people living in democrat controlled states, do not attempt to defend yourselves, just leave is what we are being told. Let it all burn down.

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