One of the easiest propaganda tricks: simply say that your detractors’ claims aren’t true. Remember when President Obama was selling Obamacare? He kept repeating that Americans who liked their health care provider would be able to keep it. Costs wouldn’t go up. Doctors for nothing and your checks for free! Somehow it didn’t work out that way. Same dynamic in play here. Biden says the feds don’t want to create a gun registry because . . . they don’t. And won’t. Anyone who thinks registration > confiscation is the game plan has been mislead by the NRA. They’re part of the “black helicopter” crowd . . .
“There is no record” of current gun sales the Veep proclaims, ignoring the fact that the form 4473 is a complete record of gun and buyer that the dealer is legally required to maintain. A record that the feds can examine “as part of a criminal investigation.” A record that the dealer must turn over to the ATF when he ceases operation.
Could a “criminal investigation” be an investigation into whether or not the buyer of an “assault rifle” registered his firearms with the state (or someday federal government) as required in California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Maryland and soon RI and God knows who else?
Could the ATF close down a gun dealer on some minor issue and then assume possession of their “log book” detailing all firearms transactions?
Sure! Meanwhile, what’s this about a buyer getting a NICS checks and then deciding not to purchase the gun because the Mrs. controls the purse-strings? I guess Joe lives in some kind of She Who Must Be Obeyed Universe. And doesn’t know that the NICS check happens after the buying decision.
Never mind. When the gun grabbers speak, idiots listen.
Personally I do not enjoy the idea of Attorney General Holder deciding for the next several years how this law will be implemented, which provisions will be emphasized and which will be ignored . Somehow I have been unsatisfied by his willingness to come forward to explain his Fast and Furious prosecution of the laws already on the books.
“Sure, there are indeed some hunters that aren’t ethically hunting animals and need to be stopped”
Please don’t refer to them as hunters. These people are called poachers. Big difference.
When slow joe’s talking I just consider the truth to be the exact opposite of what he’s saying. Douchebag.
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I just hope the camera on that thing stays working long enough to get some good footage of me pissing on it after I shoot the little f*cker down, just like any hunter would if they saw one of the little $10,000/hr doohickeys flying overhead.
I know it’s pointless to ask, but does PETA ever think through any of the ideas they have?
There’s so much bad information being put out by journalist and other media that something has to be done. I propose that journalists and others who are engaged in media activities ( news, talk shows blogs etc…) be required to submit to an background check before they can engage in media. They will all be required to register their credentials, and be subject to have their credentials revoked if they engage in speech that is dangerous to the community.
Just shut up for the love of God just shut the freaking hell up old man. Go beat your wife or something.
This is what I posted to my personal facebook page. Feel free to copy/paste to your own or other social media vehicle.
This video irks me. Joe Biden is correct in saying that the FBI is required to destroy the record of a NICS check within 24 hours. However, at the 1:13 mark, he pulls out a form. The form he references (4473) is a firearms transfer record. And on page 3 of that 4473, it says the following.
Dealers are required to maintain completed forms for 20 years in the case of completed sales and 5 years where the sale was denied by the NICS check coming back disapproved or other disqualifying information.
That information (commonly called a bound book) must be surrendered to the ATF if the dealer goes out of business or as part of a criminal investigation.
So yes, Joe Biden is “technically” not lying, but he is glossing over the fact that a record does exist and is subject to .gov scrutiny.
http://www.gunowners.org/news02042013c.htm
GOA reports that the ATF has an established history of photographing, scanning, or copying info from the gun dealer’s bound book. So universal background checks are in a sense universal registration.
Poachers are not the nicest of people. One of, if not the most, dangerous cop jobs out there is game warden. I am thinking a couple of poachers armed the teeth could take out a PETA camp armed w/ a drone.
I’ll bite, Remington doesn’t screw over it’s employees to make a point, that’ll just be ignored by the State.
As usual TTAG ignores the fact the Reminton has two huge factories outside of NY. One makes guns (Kentucky) and the other makes ammo (Arkansas, IIRC). Sorry, no boycott from me. Mybe we should boycott Ruger and Savage too. But wait–then they wouldn’t send you test guns.
I can see how this will turn out — great PR win for PETA if it can get hunters to attack unarmed drones being used to stop illegal activity. By destroying private property and thereby breaking the law, it will only reinforce the stereotype of gun onwers being trigger-happy yahoos spoiling for a fight. And the shoot-down video would be doubly effective dovetailed with clips of illegal hunting — Bambi panting in a pool of blood for hours, slowly dying underneath the shade of a tree. Sure would make a heck of a propaganda hit.
Damn, $10k??? That’s what a Private costs these days? I’ll be looking for ya in the terminals, but I doubt our paths will cross. I don’t fly for American.
No comment, but a question. I’m wanting to get my daughter a pistol for concealed carry. She has really small hands and a small wrist. She’s also as skinny as a rail which is gonna make concealment an issue, but I didn’t say that. A friend recommended the XD. Would one of you experts weigh in on this and for either the 9mm or .45, or for another gun entirely?
Thanks, in advance.
He can go suck on that Wiener….dog.
Let’s get back to reality gentlemen. These numbers, when applied to ammo are not anything to freak out over. Break these numbers down to cases, and you have less than a pallet’s worth.
No.
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