What’s Cooking at Inter Ordnance

But how does one resolve/repair a tarnished reputation from the past?

I don’t know of 20 years at Taurus is a good thing to have in your resume. Sounds like qualities getting ready to drop production starting to go up and the bottom line is the dollar Which mostly hurt small businesses that build a high quality product one rifle at a time Whereas this spell is used to building thousands of guns at a time and if 100 or so are messed up so be at the customer can always send it back. I’m a Gunsmith in Florida And Torres has left a very bad taste in my mouth and I highly recommend people stay away from them. In my personal opinion there just junk. Some people I know we’re going to come back and be like oh my tours works great this that and the other well yeah some of them do but a large percent of them do not.

TaurusCorrection on the spelling of that voice text sucks on this phone

THIS isn’t about Taurus(or Torres) Jim-keep up. I honestly have NO idea how anyone can fix the IO rep…No love on the several FB gun groups I view…

So what I just read was that a gun company, trying to improve a less than stellar reputation, had a publicity shoot with their guns, one of which catastrophically failed and others that had lots of other problems. Is there anything else important that I should have read there? Because all I came away with was, don’t buy these guns, they still suck.

Would never buy an IO gun :/

Not encouraging. I think I would give the C39 V2 a whirl before this stuff.

TTAG: no one cares what I.O. has cooking. They make shit tier guns that make Century Arms look stellar.

TTAG, thanks for this.

It provides an interesting view as to what happens at company-sponsored events. And I can see how some of the dead-tree magazines would be tempted, for the sake of advertising dollars, to just leave out the bad bits entirely, or just include a token sentence like “one or two small mechanical issues.” Which by know I know to translate as “catastrophic failure happens” (as per jwtaylor a few posts up).

IO makes the worst AKs you can get on the market. In fact, many of them won’t last more than 1-2 magazines. At worst, they will blow up in your face. They provide a product that combines the worst production methods (Cast Bolts for Christ’s sake) with horrible quality customer service. Their AKs are awful, and it would be better if you never mentioned them again.

I bought an I.O. from Buds not long ago. I am pleased with it and have put 300 rounds through it. There are cast parts, but the only part that could even make me think might not be a good idea is the Carrier, not the bolt (Dracon1211) The Bolt is milled. I know castings on a rifle may not be the traditional way of doing metallurgy however, there are parts that I don’t see it as a problem. I know I will catch hell for this post, and I know my experience is mine alone, but I am enjoying this rifle and will keep shooting it and looking for problems. Until I find one I will support them. If I find one, I will have a first hand account of a failure of their RMA process and depending on how things go, I will be sure to be vocal about it.

As an aside, stuff breaks! I have had to send many guns back to manufacturers for repairs. Mossberg, Ruger, Smith, Springfield are all guns I own and have had to return. Milsurp guns like SKS and homemade AR’s don’t have anyone to send back to. I own an SKS and 3 AR’s and if one of them break, I am stuck repairing it myself. If this one breaks, I will give the manufacturer the benefit of the doubt and work through their RMA process.

I know this doesn’t conform to the forum warriors experience, but it is my story and I am sticking to it.

I bought an AKM 247 this Summer and it’s my first AK. I put about 375 rounds through it so far all of which was steel cased fmj. My only complaint was the short sight radius of the AK platform. So I remedied this with a Tech Sights cover with peep sight. I haven’t shot past 100 yds but with the iron sights it hits the 6″ plate every time. I’ve seen some pretty crude AK’s and really liked that it was not a parts gun and made in the USA. Oh and I put the Magpul furniture on it too. With a Limited Lifetime Warranty how can I go wrong?

My local gun store has a ton of IO AKs in stock. The rack is still full, so it doesn’t look like they sell well. It could be that people know about the IO quality issues. They look like nice rifles but, I would be very suspect if the press release guns couldn’t even put on a good show. The negatives seem pretty high on forums and gun groups.

Now, I know people like to throw CAI around as crap, and their earlier stuff was pretty hit or miss. I wouldn’t own anything Century made from a few years ago without being able to shoot a few mags through it and thoroughly inspect it. I currently own a VZ 2008 and it has been a flawless, well made rifle. I love that rifle a lot! Sub 2 inch accuracy at 100 yards, and zero malfunctions in about 1000 rounds.They seem to have done a good job of pulling themselves out of the pits of super suck. It is still buyer beware on their older builds. I would have no problems buying a VZ, C308, C39 or RAS47 from Century.

They are in-fact parts guns sourced from Eastern European surplus kits. They manufacture them by adding a few US made parts so that the guns are 922r compliant. This allows them to sell the guns as “Made in the USA” when they are nonetheless com-block “parts guns”.

Not an AK but their Hellcat 380 only lasted a year. Try to give one away. The thing practically fell apart when I held one 3 or 4 years ago. And it was just a clone of the Keltec p3at…

The problem with these rifles is the fact that they use cast parts where there should be forgings and with that being said they have painting issues after only 500 rounds or so it is in my best opinion to avoid any product made by inter ordnance due to the fact that they cut corners on some of the most important things I have seen lugs shear off of bolts improper headspacing from the factory and even one gun with a rivet that wasn’t even crushed on the inside so please stay away from them and that some of the new stuff that has the Florida address on the receiver

I loved the history and look about the PPS43 so much that I hardly didn’t care if the thing ran or not.
True to form with IO Inc, it’s a jam-o-matic.
But I still grin ear to ear every time I take it out of the safe to show to somebody.
Maybe in the distant future I’ll find enough time to try to make it run better.

The lowest quality firearm I’ve ever handled was an IO Inc CASAR AK. I shook it and it rattled like you wouldn’t believe. A couple more shakes and some sort of pin came falling out of the receiver. I laughed and handed back the rifle. The rivets were sticking out, the sights were canted, and it looked like it had been spot welded by Hellen Keller.

Look up that model of rifle and read some of the horror stories from people who actually attempted to fire it.

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that a guy can build a functioning AK out of an old shovel in his garage, but IO can’t even get their hand-picked press event guns to run well? I mean, seriously, the one thing that the AK is supposed to have going for it is that it’s reliable.

I see they dropped production of the Hellcat .380 pistol… I have one and the bore came from them looking like it was made with a cold chisel and the barrel hood developed scratches from burs on the slide interface The original MIM extractors broke repeatedly..magazine issues.. nice. Now no parts no support… lifetime warranty is useless if production stops and parts are no longer made or available… No thank you to I.O.