Oleg is the photographer at our non-profit, he’s a good guy and volunteers. But Kel-Tec is one of his pay-the-bills clients and he does alot of work for them. So he has alot of Kellies on hand.
That thing may get you out of a riot alive, but any jury that sees it after the dust has settled will think you were hoping for a chance to use it. Try and see it the way an average joe, never fired a gun guy or gal would… The prosecutor would have a field day.
Better to stick to a trusty pump action with wooden furniture or camo (if you have a truck) that could plausibly be justified as being used for hunting, or a straight up handgun.
Californians don’t get that option either, unless they have a CCW license. Otherwise, I would have to ask the nice rioters to please excuse me while I get my gun from the trunk and unite it with the ammunition that I have to carry in a different part of the vehicle.
Unloaded in the passenger compartment is fine in California, sitting next to a loaded magazine.
The only gotcha is on the federal level, which says if you go within 1000 yards of a school it needs to be locked in a rack or in the trunk, which applies to all states, not just California.
And if you are carrying a long gun in your passenger compartment, you’re going to want to lock it in a rack anyway…
Now I’m confused. Everywhere in the Penal Code that I can find where “loaded firearm” is defined, it’s defined as: “a firearm shall be deemed to be “loaded” whenever both the firearm and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from the firearm are in the immediate possession of the same person.”
???
I can already picture it. News helicopter footage of a guy holding up a mob, à la Gordon and Shughart in Black Hawk Down with his SU-16 and Surefire 60 rounder. I’m sure it would go down well.
Driver is NOT wearing a seat belt, which will get you pulled over in most (all?) states. Once pulled over, he had best have an excellent explaination for the rifle. “Oh officer, I only have this rifle because I heard that there was the potential for large riots this afternoon in town, and I’m going grocery shopping and wanted to be safe.” probably isn’t going to cut it.
I am glad I live in AK, I got stopped by a trooper the other day for a headlight that burnt out. Had a Colt AR-15 and DPMS AR-15 (both with mags in) for rifles propped up in the middle seat of my truck, passenger had a Glock 22 concealed and a .22 on the dash(in a box) I had the trusty .44 mag tucked inbetween the driver seat and the middle seat and also had a concealed weapon. Very friendly guy, just wanted to tell me I had a headlight burnt out, and of course we followed the laws here and told him right away that aside from the ones he could see, there were a few that he couldnt see hahaha. He told me to fix my light and we were both on our way. If you are wondering why we had so many guns… we were going to the range, so we brought the .22 pistol. I Love Alaska…
Meh, best option is a suppressed 9mm SBR AR-15, so that maybe your ear drums won’t be ruptured immediately. I’m also not sure you’d ever be able to legally or ethically defend spraying a crowd on full-auto.
The best thing to do in regards to an urban mob, is to not be in it to start with.
I have seen a riot before. I witnessed a college outdoor party that crossed the border out of “unruly” and into “destruction of public property” territory. Some numbskulls protested the “dry campus” policy by drinking in public off campus and things degenerated quick, fast , and in a hurry. In real life, seeing a large group of people act like animals is a profoundly disturbing sight. No sane person would want to pull a weapon in that situation;if a person from the mob becomes a threat then its appropriate, but “shooting your way out ” is the stuff of Hollywood B-movies. If you are in a mob, get out. If you can’t drive out, run out. Just like on Main Street, the firearm is a last resort alternative to other forms of conflict resolution.
Does he just really like Kel Tec or is that just a coincidence?
Honestly? Surprised he didn’t mount a Primary Arms optic on there. Not that I think it wouldn’t do alright in this particular situation.
Kel Tec needs Oleg Volk to photographically polish up their plastic junk.
I suppressed a guffaw on that one.
Oleg is the photographer at our non-profit, he’s a good guy and volunteers. But Kel-Tec is one of his pay-the-bills clients and he does alot of work for them. So he has alot of Kellies on hand.
Time isn’t holding us,
Time isn’t after us.
Same as it ever was,
Same as it ever was.
-David Brynne
once in a lifetime….classic
Everything Talking Heads did was a classic.
+1,000. MD represent! (David Brynne is from charm city)
Word up!
Oh that brought back memories lol
Love the Cars reference. That’s almost old school.
That thing may get you out of a riot alive, but any jury that sees it after the dust has settled will think you were hoping for a chance to use it. Try and see it the way an average joe, never fired a gun guy or gal would… The prosecutor would have a field day.
Better to stick to a trusty pump action with wooden furniture or camo (if you have a truck) that could plausibly be justified as being used for hunting, or a straight up handgun.
The prosecutor would have a field day.
With that mag he would, that’s a given.
Seriously, in times of riot what do you think the Prosecutors will have in their cars?
Seriously, in times of riot what do you think the Prosecutors will have in their cars?
Cops?
Minnesotans don’t get that option. We can own those, but we can’t “carry” them loaded as a car gun. Our permit to carry is only valid for handguns.
Remove the stock, and it is now a handgun. Or buy the handgun version (PLR16) of the SU16.
Californians don’t get that option either, unless they have a CCW license. Otherwise, I would have to ask the nice rioters to please excuse me while I get my gun from the trunk and unite it with the ammunition that I have to carry in a different part of the vehicle.
Actually, thats false:
How to transport a rifle in California
Unloaded in the passenger compartment is fine in California, sitting next to a loaded magazine.
The only gotcha is on the federal level, which says if you go within 1000 yards of a school it needs to be locked in a rack or in the trunk, which applies to all states, not just California.
And if you are carrying a long gun in your passenger compartment, you’re going to want to lock it in a rack anyway…
Now I’m confused. Everywhere in the Penal Code that I can find where “loaded firearm” is defined, it’s defined as: “a firearm shall be deemed to be “loaded” whenever both the firearm and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from the firearm are in the immediate possession of the same person.”
???
The Calguns FAQ on defining “loaded” in California
Loaded means “in a position to fire”, except in a few cases which tend to be enhancements for other crimes.
Shooting a rifle inside a vehicle is fvcking LOUD.
shooting ANY gun that isnt suppressed in a rig isLOUD!
I can already picture it. News helicopter footage of a guy holding up a mob, à la Gordon and Shughart in Black Hawk Down with his SU-16 and Surefire 60 rounder. I’m sure it would go down well.
It’s a PLR-16
http://xkcd.com/386/
+1. That’s always been one of my favorites.
Driver is NOT wearing a seat belt, which will get you pulled over in most (all?) states. Once pulled over, he had best have an excellent explaination for the rifle. “Oh officer, I only have this rifle because I heard that there was the potential for large riots this afternoon in town, and I’m going grocery shopping and wanted to be safe.” probably isn’t going to cut it.
I am glad I live in AK, I got stopped by a trooper the other day for a headlight that burnt out. Had a Colt AR-15 and DPMS AR-15 (both with mags in) for rifles propped up in the middle seat of my truck, passenger had a Glock 22 concealed and a .22 on the dash(in a box) I had the trusty .44 mag tucked inbetween the driver seat and the middle seat and also had a concealed weapon. Very friendly guy, just wanted to tell me I had a headlight burnt out, and of course we followed the laws here and told him right away that aside from the ones he could see, there were a few that he couldnt see hahaha. He told me to fix my light and we were both on our way. If you are wondering why we had so many guns… we were going to the range, so we brought the .22 pistol. I Love Alaska…
UZI or MAC-10 machine pistol. Better option.
Meh, best option is a suppressed 9mm SBR AR-15, so that maybe your ear drums won’t be ruptured immediately. I’m also not sure you’d ever be able to legally or ethically defend spraying a crowd on full-auto.
Why not join in on the riot? Just bring a hoodie.
Meet me at the Electronics Store where I can express my rage.
Gee..those big screens look great.
Use the vehicle to break through, handguns to keep them out.
The best thing to do in regards to an urban mob, is to not be in it to start with.
I have seen a riot before. I witnessed a college outdoor party that crossed the border out of “unruly” and into “destruction of public property” territory. Some numbskulls protested the “dry campus” policy by drinking in public off campus and things degenerated quick, fast , and in a hurry. In real life, seeing a large group of people act like animals is a profoundly disturbing sight. No sane person would want to pull a weapon in that situation;if a person from the mob becomes a threat then its appropriate, but “shooting your way out ” is the stuff of Hollywood B-movies. If you are in a mob, get out. If you can’t drive out, run out. Just like on Main Street, the firearm is a last resort alternative to other forms of conflict resolution.
This guy has a very interesting blog… this article of his may be particularly relevant…
http://straightforwardinacrookedworld.blogspot.com/2010/06/dark-arts-for-good-guys-drive-like-you.html
‘roo bars, run-flat tires, and lots of torque.
Reginald Denny never should have stopped.
Good recommendations. If Denny hadn’t stopped he’d still have enough brain function left to understand your advice.
I’ll bet Reginald Denny wishes he were similarly equipped one summer day in south central LA.