Illinois: ‘Fingerprints for FOID Cards’ Fails To Pass

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Residents of the Land of Lincoln will not have to submit fingerprints and pay upwards of $150 in order to own, shoot or even touch firearms after all. House Democrats voted to pass the measure last week. However, sensing the outrage of gun owners, the Illinois Senate’s Democrat leadership killed the bill and closed out their spring session without acting on the bill.

On May 30th, we wrote of how the House passed Democrat Representative Kathleen Willis’ bill to require fingerprints and 400% fee increases to obtain a Firearms Owners’ ID card. Willis’ work of art tyranny would have also eliminated private firearm transfers and set a cap on the fee dealers could charge for performing transfers on private sales at $10 – an amount that dealers said didn’t merit their time and trouble.

Under the byzantine legislative rules in Illinois, the bill now requires a 3/5ths majority to pass rather than a simple majority. And the General Assembly stands in recess until October.

From the The Center Square:

Illinois residents won’t have to submit fingerprints to the state to get a gun license after the Senate closed out an overtime session without taking up the bill.

The House passed an amendment to Senate Bill 1966 that would have raised fees to get a Firearm Owner Identification card and require applicants to submit fingerprints. The Senate did not take up the measure before leaving Sunday.

State Rep. Bob Morgan, D-Deerfield, supported the bill.

“It’s certainly something that both chambers of the Democratic party are committed to and we’re going to continue to push in the fight for this legislation,” Morgan said.

Sponsors of the measure said the fingerprinting mandate was needed to address loopholes in the system that led to a convicted felon from Mississippi getting a FOID card in Illinois, and buying a gun. That man killed five people at an Aurora warehouse in February even after his FOID card was revoked. State police revoked his FOID card after they discovered his felony conviction, which he had lied about on his initial application.

Loopholes?

The only loopholes that facilitated the Aurora Henry Pratt Company massacre involved the state screwing up by failing to find the killer’s criminal history before issuing him a FOID card.

Then they failed to find it again when they approved the sale of a firearm to him.

When they found the conviction record as part of a background check for a carry license application, they correctly revoked his FOID card. However, nobody from the Illinois State Police or any agency went out to his house to collect his S&W .40 caliber handgun and make an arrest of a felon in possession of a firearm.

No one followed up on the federal felony perjury he committed on his 4473 form either, or the state felony perjury on the application for the carry license.

Despite all this, Prairie State gun control supporters love to talk about mythical “loopholes” as if it was a loophole that allowed this tragedy to happen. Far from it. The state of Illinois failed — repeatedly — to follow it’s own laws and procedures on a slam-dunk gun crime prosecution.

Don’t forget that the Henry Pratt Company aided the killer by posting “NO GUNS” signage ensuring the bad guy would face no meaningful resistance during the shooting rampage until police arrived minutes later.

Indeed.

Courtesy Illinois State Police.

That sign on the front door did absolutely nothing to stop a mass murderer from committing his crime. But it did ensure that law-abiding gun owners didn’t bring their guns into that business.

So what happened?

Democrat Representative Kathleen Willis, now a minor leadership figure in the Illinois House Democrat caucus, wheeled and dealed for votes to get her gun control bill passed in the House.  Initially, black caucus members had deep-seated reservations about the steep fees and expensive electronic fingerprinting the bill required and withheld their support.

Willis made some promises, though, and secured the support of the black caucus. This proved ironic considering the bill would disproportionately impact inner city poor people of color that make up the caucus’ constituency. Just like the Jim Crow laws and Black Codes passed by racist legislators a hundred years ago to disarm blacks.

In the end, though, a lot of Dems in the Senate didn’t want to take up the bill. A couple of downstaters facing re-election in 2020 didn’t want rile up gun owners in their generally pro-gun districts.

At the same time, several Chicagoland senators refused to support it. They heard from law-abiding leaders of the communities they represent and the message came through loud and clear: “We don’t like being treated like criminals in order to own a gun for self-defense.”

In the end, Senate President John Cullerton made sure the bill that nobody wanted to vote upon stayed tied up in committee where it effectively died. If Kathleen Willis couldn’t muster a simple majority now, she won’t get a super-majority this fall.

What’s next?

We believe that politicians from both parties will work over the summer and fall to craft a compromise bill. While nothing’s been written yet, we expect fingerprints will remain a part of the final bill, however they will be made optional. At least for now.

Fees will likely double to at least $20 for a ten-year FOID card. Provisions mandating gun confiscations from those with revoked FOID cards may also find their way into the bill. Or at least verifying that guns purchased in the past by a revoked individual have been transferred to a legal gun owner.

This way, politicians from both parties can claim they have “fixed the FOID card” even though the FOID system didn’t fail the victims at Henry Pratt. It was the government that failed them.

comments

  1. avatar Rick the Bear says:

    Yay!

    BTW, what’s with the freakin’ rainbow seal for the Senate president? Did it rain?

    1. avatar BatPenguin says:

      Yes, it is raining in the midwest. Here in the St. Louis, MO area, we are only 3 feet from the level of the 1993 floods. There is water everywhere. I may start building my ark soon. I will take two of every kind of firearm on my ark. Feel free to send me any type of firearm you want to be preserved.

      1. avatar bryan1980 says:

        Sounds like a great beginning to another “boating accident”!

        1. avatar B.D. says:

          “Well, at least you got a good boat out of it” – Trump

  2. avatar BatPenguin says:

    As a SOUTHERN ILLINOIS resident, I am happy it didn’t pass this time. Whatever they come up with next time will be horrible too. Just hoping that we can keep this at bay long enough for me to sell my house and move across the river to Missouri where my rights are honored. I have 4 years and some change left on my CCL and 6 years left on my FOID so I should be fine. I am hearing stories from some of the first people that are renewing their CCL in Illinois that the state is just dragging their feet in an attempt to deny CCL.

    1. avatar John Boch says:

      You think that’s bad, you should hear about the mess the dealers are facing for the July 17th deadline for the Gun Dealer Licensing fiasco.

      John

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Where are the lawsuits on that front? I haven’t heard of anything being filed yet.

        1. avatar John Boch says:

          If you want to underwrite it, we’ll file it.

          Here’s the deal: Yes, I think we would win a court challenge of Gun Dealer Licensing. But as soon as it looks like that might happen, the IL GA would pass another GDL bill, possibly even worse than the one we’ve got (and they have the votes in the House and Senate to do just that) and Ol’ JB Pritzker would sign it in a heartbeat.

          And then our suit gets mooted.

          And if we don’t win these cases, we don’t get reimbursed the $50-100k needed to pay the lawyers.

          John

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Didn’t NYC just try that trick and get laughed out of court?

      2. avatar BatPenguin says:

        I know. My local gun shop and range have been detailing what they have been going through to their customers. It is horrendous.

      3. avatar Gatinger says:

        Better have your ducks in a row at least by JUNE 17!!! Otherwise you’ll still be in hot water

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      None of this silliness applies in TX, but I am still curious. Does anybody know of a single crime, at any time in the history of the planet, either prevented or solved by fingerprints attached to a FOID application? Can anyone describe a theoretical mechanism by which that could happen? Or is it (as I suspect) overwhelmingly obvious to absolutely anyone that the requirement has zero to do with solving or preventing crime? And if so, has anyone publicly inquired of the nasty bitch just what the requirement is intended to accomplish, other than making it more difficult and expensive to exercise a Constitutional right?

      1. avatar Ardent says:

        I know you know better, but it seems you’re thinking a bit slow just now and have misunderstood the “not a bug but a feature” concept.

        Even the flaming moron who conceived this abomination knows it will accomplish nothing except reducing the number of lawful gun owners, and causing pain to those who remain. Where this…person is from, that sort of thing passes for virtue.

      2. avatar LazrBeam says:

        I think you nailed it with your question in the last sentence. Man, it’s good to be in Bama.

    3. avatar Mark Smith says:

      I can’t believe you people in that area are willing to or have to buy a Gun permit. what a CROCK of SHIT. Yes Govt I have guns please come to my house and take them when ever you so desire to. You mihgt as well just give them to the state and save your money on the permits. the Second Amendment states the Right of Gun Ownership shall NOT be INFRINGED and by forcing you to buy a gun license/permit YOU have been INFRINGED. how do you people live in a Mafia controlled state?????? or better yet why do you people keep electing the crooked Politicians that you do ??????

      1. avatar BatPenguin says:

        We have been fighting it since it was instituted. We are just now making headway in the courts against it. There are more than one lawsuit that is0 poised to throw out the entire FOID system. I will fight it by moving across the river to Missouri once my step-son graduates High School.

  3. avatar MaddMaxx says:

    It will be back

    1. avatar BatPenguin says:

      You are correct sir. For years and years, this is how Illinois was governed: Illinois to Chicago “We will let you do what you want, just don’t force it on us” Chicago to Illinois: “Sounds Good” However in the past 30 years that has slowly changed to: Chicago to Illinois “You better damn well do as we say or else!” Which Illinois has responded to Chicago by saying “F*** OFF” https://theillinoisseparation.com/

      1. avatar WarrenM says:

        This is where the wisdom of the Electoral Collage shines brightest for the country.
        Maybe that’s the approach to pursue for Illinois.

  4. avatar Ralph says:

    Maybe the Dems will try to replace the fingerprint requirement with a proctology exam.

    1. avatar Gatinger says:

      Nah, colonoscopy. Couldnt hold crap for months after!

    2. avatar BatPenguin says:

      They already do a proctology exam when it comes to taxes. Passed closed to $10 Billion in Tax raises this session alone.

  5. avatar Michael Redoble says:

    this is what this state gets for not voting for Rauner…He may have been a RINO to a degree…but he at least had half his foot in Republican waters….my fellow republicans split the vote and gave the Dem’s in the state the power to fill all the committees

  6. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    Bat, leaving that state is the best thing you can do. If you don’t like what your state government is doing pack your things and take your money elsewhere.

    1. avatar dph says:

      ….and just how many times are you going to move. These liberal anti-gun freaks spread like a virus, once they kill the host they move on to another state. Just because you’re not infected yet just means you’re next. Places like Washington, Oregon and Colorado used to be very gun friendly until the natives got outnumbered by the newcomers. Places like Arizona and Texas are already turning purple, they’re probably next to fall.

      1. avatar BatPenguin says:

        I agree you have to stand and fight. I am going to stand and fight no matter where I am at. However, Missouri offers more than just a good place for the 2nd Amendment. Missouri has much lower taxes than Illinois. Also, Missouri’s values are more in accordance with mine. I am Pro-Life and my state sickens me in their stance on that.

  7. avatar Fyathyrio says:

    The first rule of the gov’t failure loophole is don’t talk about the gov’t failure loophole. If that one were to get closed, then gov’t might have to do actual work and solve real issues instead of blaming inanimate objects for all of society’s ills.

  8. avatar former water walker says:

    Gee thanks for the crumbs demscum…2000000 FOID holder’s need to vote their GUNS.

  9. avatar WI Patriot says:

    “Illinois: ‘Fingerprints for FOID Cards’ Fails To Pass”

    In a way I wish it hadn’t failed, now it can come back at a later date, I was hoping that it would pass only to be challenged and overturned based on a 4th Amendment violation…no chance of a comeback then…

  10. avatar WhiteDevil says:

    The only thing I like, but still wouldn’t ever force on someone else, is the fee cap for dealer transfers. $10 isn’t worth the time or trouble? We fill out the 4473 and the dealer runs it through a computer. All taking less than 2 minutes. They act like they are performing an exhausting function and that they deserve a significant fee for doing next to nothing.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Just say no, and keep your $10.

    2. avatar strych9 says:

      Doesn’t Illinois have their own complementary system that they charge the dealers more than $10/check to use? I thought I read that somewhere.

      That was the deal here in Colorado when they put in the cap. Yeah, the NICS check is free but the CBI charges for their “service” and it was more than the cap on what the dealer could charge. A lot of FFLs simply stopped doing transfers because the CBI charged twice the cap and so they lost money on each transfer.

      In Colorado every gun sold by a licensed dealer has the 4473 submitted to the CBI electronically. The CBI checks it’s records and does the NICS check for the dealer. So there’s no way a dealer can comply with the 4473 requirements from fedgov without going through the CBI, and therefore they must pay the CBI.

    3. avatar John Boch says:

      And if they make a single mistake, it might cost them their license. Or if they lose that record.

      And I don’t know where you buy guns, but it takes me the better part of five plus minutes to fill out a 4473 and double-check my answers. Double that if I’m doing it on a computer.

      THen they want to copy my IDs, etc. In the end it’s a half-hour process at the minimum for most.

      Two minutes? Yeah, right.

  11. avatar faxbob64 says:

    A local gun shop here in Illinois wants $75. for a transfer. HA!

    1. avatar John Boch says:

      That’s one way not to do transfers.

  12. avatar joefoam says:

    What? The legislators listened to the outrage from the people that elected them. Is that some kind of ‘fake news’. You have to put the fear of losing their jobs into the minds of the legislators before they will stop with the gun control laws.

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      move to Indiana…

    2. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

      Nah, I don’t think so. They figured out that fingerprinting all FOID applicants might disqualify a lot of their friends and family.

  13. avatar Alan says:

    Might it be that Illinois others do not pay sufficient attention to the actions or antics of the people they send to the state House of Representatives?

  14. avatar HuntingtonGuy says:

    More proof that none of this bullshit is about public safety, it is 100% about their own selfish job preservation. Pander to the audience you need to re-elect you.

    1. avatar Someone says:

      Of course it’s not about safety. It never was. It’s about making gun ownership so miserable and expensive that most of us give it up as not worth the trouble. So the next time the grabbers come for another piece of our RTKBA cake there will be much less opposition.

  15. avatar Hannibal says:

    “State police revoked his FOID card after they discovered his felony conviction, which he had lied about on his initial application…”

    lol. You know what is easier than comparing fingerprints? Comparing a name, DOB, and SS number (or state soundex). He didn’t lie about his IDENTITY, he lied about his conviction record. And if you can’t figure out how to match someone’s name, dob and identifying government number to a conviction record, fingerprints are beyond you.

  16. avatar Bill says:

    But I thought government did whatever it wanted no matter what?!?!?!

  17. avatar Bruce House says:

    Vote out those people who wish to take your 2nd amendment rights away! Because it starts with just on right then the next then we have no rights! Boom were a socialist country! No thanks, Were Americans so act like Americans not socialists! Lincoln wouldn’t have put up with taking rights away from Americans So why let Your state who freed the slaves become slaves to your own laws!

  18. avatar Grumpster says:

    Wife FOID renewal just came through for 10 more years and mine was done last year so I have 9 more years. We will be long gone from Illinois, most likely to Tennessee before our’s expire again but glad to hear the bill died – for now.

    What is Illinois law enforcement doing about illegally owned guns that criminals and gang thugs possess without an FOID? Seems like nothing unless they catch them AFTER they committed a violent act with one.

  19. avatar borg says:

    It is good to know that elderly, disabled, and minorities will not be made instant felons for the inability to afford the excessive fees and/or the inability to take off work and drive to location for finger printing.

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