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According to Politico’s reporting, Hunter Biden lied on his ATF Form 4473, the firearm transaction record and background check form, on October 12, 2018 when he swore under penalty of $250k fine and 10 years imprisonment that he was not a drug user. Then, only 11 days later, Hunter’s then-girlfriend (the widow of his not-long-deceased brother, but not the mother of the child he sired with a stripper while he was living with his brother’s widow), Hallie, “disposed” of the handgun in a trash can outside of a grocery store. …and then it gets weird…

From The Daily Wire:

Hallie Biden told Hunter Biden what she did, at which point he told her to retrieve the firearm. When she returned to the store to get the firearm out of the trash, it was missing. The Delaware State Police and the FBI responded to the scene to investigate and questioned Hunter Biden. A copy of the police report said that Hunter Biden “became very agitated” when he was asked if the firearm had been used to commit a crime.

When Hunter Biden was asked if he was doing drugs or drinking, Hunter Biden responded by saying that Hallie Biden was concerned about him being mentally unstable, saying that she was concerned that he was going to commit suicide.

The report says that “an older man who regularly rummages through the grocery’s store’s trash to collect recyclable items” found the firearm and returned it days later, although it does not say who the firearm was returned to.

Delaware police “investigated,” as you might expect given this incident happened there. But what you may not expect is that the U.S. Secret Service allegedly swept in and, by all appearances, tried to cover up the incident by eliminating the paper trail.

From Politico’s report:

Secret Service agents approached the owner of the store where Hunter bought the gun and asked to take the paperwork involving the sale, according to two people, one of whom has firsthand knowledge of the episode and the other was briefed by a Secret Service agent after the fact.

The gun store owner refused to supply the paperwork, suspecting that the Secret Service officers wanted to hide Hunter’s ownership of the missing gun in case it were to be involved in a crime, the two people said. The owner, Ron Palmieri, later turned over the papers to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, which oversees federal gun laws.

As y’all know, I’m an FFL. We’re obligated under Federal law to retain 4473s for a minimum of 20 years and we’re obligated to provide them to ATF to comply with a gun trace request or audit.

If the Secret Service removed this 4473 from the FFL’s premises and the ATF later audited generally or requested this 4473 specifically (e.g. in an attempt to trace the serial number should the gun be connected to a crime) and the FFL was unable to produce the document, they’d be in serious trouble. At minimum, they’d almost certainly lose their license to deal in firearms.

Mr. Palmieri was smart not to comply with whatever the Secret Service was trying to do. Their alleged request was illegal, immoral, and would have left Palmieri fully liable.

As for Hunter’s actions, is anyone really surprised? Will he face consequences for his Form 4473 perjury?

I’ll go ahead and guess it’s a “no” on both accounts.

 

97 COMMENTS

  1. And yet we have a shitload of people here in PA that get jacked up every year because of some obscure long forgotten issue in their distant that they did not know made them prohibited. Congratulations America, you’ve reinvented aristocracy.

    Fuck these mofos.

  2. The article stated he was discharged from the Navy Reserve in 2013. Was he still a drug user in 2018? If not, then he didn’t lie. If he was, then he should be prosecuted. That won’t happen because of his connections and gun laws frequently aren’t enforced so they can argue we need more.

    • Yes there are many incidents of crack smoking up through at least 2019, including an arrest in 2017 with crack and a crack pipe and such in his vehicle. Plus problems and addictions with other drugs going back at least to the early 2000’s and ending up in the news on a nearly annual basis. There’s effectively no evidence that there was ever a period during which he wasn’t a heavy drug user.

    • The question says have you EVER used illegal drugs. EVER?? It also says even if MJ is legal in your state, it’s not legal federally. I think that’s a little trap door they’ve cleverly inserted to make felons out of legal users.

      • No, it doesn’t ask if you’ve ever used illegal drugs. It asks if you’re an illegal user of, or addicted to, a controlled substance.

        Also, MJ users are in fact criminals federally. The 4473 is just emphasizing that local rules don’t supersede federal law.

        • If you are not a user at the time of the purchase or addicted to a drug that is not subscribed by a doctor, you can say no. If you are currently a user of illegal drugs or an addict, you would be lying. There are many people that take prescribed drugs that would have a period of withdrawal if they stopped using those drugs, they a legally addicted as are smokers.

        • “If you are not a user at the time of the purchase or addicted to a drug that is not subscribed by a doctor, you can say no”

          That’s my understanding exactly. I’m honestly not sure if use of an otherwise-disqualifying but prescription opiate (say) would put you on the wrong side of it.

    • Exactly right! Further more, to chastise Hunter for having used drugs or alcohol and then taking away his gun rights and prosecuting him for it WOULD SET A DANGEROUS GUN CONTROL PRECEDENCE FOR US ALL!
      How can folk on this page be so short sighted (rhetorical)? The answer is easy. 2A & Republican politics have become interwoven. This Biden BS is purely political and really doesn’t have anything to do with 2A!….

  3. Withholds the 4473 from SS to keep it from “disappearing” THEN hands it over to the BATFE? Where is the 4473 NOW, oooopps, looks like it disappeared…. Yup, nothing to see here, move along, indeed… And I’m sure somebody’s got a “BUT TRUMP” to compare it to and excuse it away… It won’t matter, Hunter Biden is a protected resource, no matter what kind of scum he is…

    • Kinda like a certain organization sitting on a laptop? Oh wait that was “Russian disinformation”…
      Yeah right cut the bull. Hunter should be in jail, and all these congresscritters (sorry possum) who only represent themselves should be removed. Unfortunately, most of them won’t be removed until they’ve milked the system dry and sold us off to the CCP.

    • Article says “POLITICO obtained copies of the Firearms Transaction Record and a receipt for the gun dated Oct. 12, 2018.” …so it’s out there. Could probably FOIA it.

      • Wait a minute, I thought you said the Secret Service took the form?

        You guys can’t even keep your bullshit straight, can you?

    • Hope the FFL dealer was smart enough to make copies of the 4473 before giving it to the ATF. I’m betting he did. Would be interesting if it showed up “in a garbage can” and made it’s way to an honest cable station investigative reporter……rumor has it there is still one or two believed to exist……who might mysteriously disappear some night…….

      • “Hope the FFL dealer was smart enough to make copies of the 4473 before giving it to the ATF. I’m betting he did.”

        Did you bother to read the article before commenting?

        No, you did not :

        “Secret Service agents approached the owner of the store where Hunter bought the gun and asked to take the paperwork involving the sale, according to two people, one of whom has firsthand knowledge of the episode and the other was briefed by a Secret Service agent after the fact.

        The gun store owner refused to supply the paperwork, suspecting that the Secret Service officers wanted to hide Hunter’s ownership of the missing gun in case it were to be involved in a crime, the two people said.”…

      • How many copies do you think the FFL has

        I’d have stacks of copies, pictures on my cell phones, more stored on SSD cards and mailed copies to every news agency and government body in the country…

      • “How many copies do you think the FFL has?”

        Had I been behind the counter that day, I would have declined the request to take the paperwork, but allowed them to photograph it if they desired…

  4. This is, again, a question of how you define “user”. If he was sober for some *longish* (which I guess is open to interpretation) period of time and had no plans to use drugs again can he honestly say he’s not a user so long as he doesn’t relapse and then *rapidly* try to buy again?

    Does it work like driving, where exiting the vehicle automatically makes one not a “driver” up until one begins driving again?

    What exactly is the definition here? (Don’t bother, there isn’t an actual definition. It’s all really rather vague. And of course, kinda on the honor system too.) The whole thing is really rather absurd.

    But then so is the Secret Service trying to get rid of the 4473, which is arguably one of the more disturbing things I’ve heard recently.

    • “But then so is the Secret Service trying to get rid of the 4473, which is arguably one of the more disturbing things I’ve heard recently.”

      I’d be just as interested in knowing as to how exactly the gun was considered to be ‘stolen’ if she voluntarily threw it in a dumpster, with the intention of permanently disposing of it.

      Sounds a whole lot like “finders keepers, losers weepers” to me on this end for the dumpster-diver.

      It sounds like she may even have committed a crime (or crimes) all on her own if she broke any laws requiring the reporting of lost or missing guns in a certain time frame…

      • It sounds like she may even have committed a crime (or crimes)

        Well you COULD start with the unlawful taking of another persons property, then lets move on to willful endangerment, leaving an unattended firearm in a publicly accessible place… I’m pretty sure both of those are crimes (depending of course on your last name) pretty much anywhere in the U.S…

      • I’m not familiar with Delaware property or marriage laws but from a strictly ethical point of view it seems like she stole the gun from Hunter and Hunter may be acquired it illegally depending on how you want to define “user” and his intentions at the time of purchase.

        But then does it matter? Not really. It’s Hunter Biden, nothing’s going to happen to him over this even if there’s security camera footage of him torching a rock in the parking lot right after buying the gun.

        The problem with Hunter Biden really doesn’t have anything to do with his proclivity to suck a glass dick or his reportedly questionable choices with regard to internet browsing. It has to do with the corruption evident here in the actions of the Secret Service (and elsewhere involving him) which indicate that his lineage makes him untouchable.

        But really, if I’m being entirely honest Hunter and all the issues surrounding him cease to have much meaning in the larger context of what’s going on. I said last year that I suspected that regardless of who won the election 2021 was going to leave a lot of people pining for the good ‘ol days of 2020. Unfortunately, I’m seeing more and more evidence that this was correct and at this point I’m somewhat convinced that the country’s pretty well fucked on a good number of fronts because the overwhelming majority of people in this country are complete and total morons who have no idea the trouble we’re in. They won’t realize it until it’s too late, then they’ll panic and things will get way, way worse.

      • How about he bought the gun, never fired it, and delivered it to another only 10 days later. Sounds like a straw purchase to me, I think that’s another 5 years or so.

  5. Democrats have no principles. They invite corruption when it helps them. They manufacture corruption when they need to take out an enemy. And why isn’t the “gun control” crowd yelling about this? They’re so fake. They stand for nothing but themselves.

  6. lock him UP!!!!

    or people will be going to the stores to throw things away and I am not talking about just flesh…

    biden crime family strikes again, the questions is – what will they do next?!

  7. Hopefully Granpas heart can handle the stress. Hes looking beat to sht already and it’s not even been a year yet.
    Poor old man, I feel sorry for him.

    • and it’s not even been a year yet

      YEAR??? It’s been 65 days!!… I know, it SEEMS like a year/lifetime since the old Clown took the oath, but rest easy, at the rate he’s declining and the Dems/MSM are turning on him Kammaltoe will be POTUS before July 4th, THEN the real party will begin… And don’t worry about Creepy Uncle Joe, they’ll just tell him his four years are up and he lost the election, he’ll never know the difference…

      • My vote is 2 years and 1 day (assuming he remains physically capable of fogging a mirror), at which point Biden resigns and passes it to Harris, who could then still have two full terms of her own since serving less than 2 years as a replacement for Biden doesn’t count as a term and therefore having 2, 4-year terms of her own would at that point be kosher.

        • Can anyone REALLY imagine that brainless, lying, cackling bitch sitting down with world leaders, with Putin or Jinping? She would be the laughing stock of the world… And they said Trump was un-presidential

        • 10 years of the Kumhola cackle.
          Think about that torture.

          I thought no sound could get worse than the Hildebeast cackle and then up walks Kumhola and says “Hold my beer”.

          And then she pairs that cackle with that nose wrinkle of hers where she launches into some Leftist BS screed.

        • What makes you think that she’d be ‘sitting down’ in front of all of those Alpha Male world leaders? Who knows, she just MIGHT make some close, positive personal relationships with lasting significance due to her special skills making men do favors for her (developed over a lifetime). We had a President with a history of bowing to foreign leaders; THIS one could try kneeling.
          The story writes itself, doesn’t it?

        • The story writes itself, doesn’t it?

          Absolutely… But she’d have to get control of that stupid ass laugh and that scrunch face crap she does…

      • “low and slow’ news conference today…obviously scripted…and oh so gentle…hardly reminiscent of the group of attack dogs that used to confront Trump….

  8. Do you think some reporter will ask Biden at his first press conference since taking office about this today? LOL

    • They probably have pre-selected the “questioners” AND “suggested” the questions to be asked… He handed off the border responsibility to Kammaltoe so he can defer those questions to her, Hunter will be “off the table”, he won’t discuss his health (or lack thereof) so all that’s left is the hard stuff like What’s your favorite ice cream? how’s the dog after his traumatic experience in the White House? AND the biggy, When are YOU going BAN those killer assault rifles?

      • His poor, abused dog probably has anger issues after being chased by Joe (right after he jumps out of the shower) trying to pull his tail.

      • No teleprompter in the room means notes with BIG letters… Non friendly “reporters” in the BACK of the room… It’s a setup… Probably 30 minutes, Obama style answers to “soft” questions from friendly reporters on his approved list…

        • Yes, that right there.

          Or more to the point…
          “There is a large segment of the population that thinks you are a stumbling, mumbling, half-senile fool. Are you half senile or fully senile?”

        • interesting how he had to look down at his “notes.

          Even MORE interesting how he lost his train of thought SEVERAL times even WITH that “cheat sheet” right in front of him… Might have been some kind of monitor and the operator dropped the ball, probably had “mommy Jill” in his ear to help..

    • That “press conference” was scripted, 30 questions on FOUR topics and he had notes… Only got lost 4 or 5 times in 70 minutes… Bless his heart… NO, “hostile” reporters were called upon…

  9. So the Secret service not only protects a principles physical body but also apparently attempts to shield them from legal prosecution as well.

    I’m sure there are laws on the books against altering or removing a 4437, how about charging the SS agents with that and maybe in the plea agreement we can get some real meat to chew on.

    • At that time no one from the Biden family was under Secret Service protection. There probably should be an investigation into why agents were involved but you know there won’t be.

      • There probably should be an investigation into why agents were involved

        The Executive Protection Unit with the Delaware State Police is unaware of any such requests or services provided,” the spokesman said. The report cited a law enforcement source to say at the time of the incident some individual Secret Service agents in Wilmington, Del., and Philadelphia remained informally connected to the former vice president’s security.
        “Informally” connected… What the hell does THAT even mean… Who paid them? Who formally assigned them to be “informally” connected to Beijing Bidens security?… No records of SS agents being involved with the FFL? (I’m shocked)… Nothing to see here, move along

      • IIRC, the ex-pres has SS coverage until he releases it, seems like the ex-VP would as well, and Biden would never release any government-paid servants. Are you sure he was not being covered?

        • seems like the ex-VP would as well

          VP gets 6 months that can be extended by Homeland Security, Biden was allegedly not extended

  10. Well golly! I’m a bit more concerned about slow Joe’s errant progeny being an agent of China. And funneling “the big guy” china dough. I guess this is par for the course when daddy can pardon your dumbazz…

  11. Should flood every republican senators inbox with this article from as many sources as you can find from as many people as you can. Might be pointless, might hit the sweet voter spot…

  12. Let’s start asking other Democrat blowhards (Giffords, Feinstein, Schumer, etc.) if Hunter should be prosecuted for violating the laws they put in place. We already know Joe doesn’t know what day it is.

  13. As I recall, some years ago, when there was a lot of talk about clamping down on guns, gun purchases and such, The ‘then vice president’ said they didn’t have time to track down and prosecute every one who made a mistake and checked the wrong box on a 4473. This would be a major waste of time (banning guns would not be). What was his name, you know, he was that one guy. Biden. Now you may know one reason he doesn’t want to go after people who lied on the 4473. But we knew this a year ago.

    I’m also not so keen about his spouse throwing the gun out the way she did. Tat seems like gross negligence.

    • That does it. I either need o learn to spell, get a new keyboard or proof read my stuff. Guess tat means a new keyboard is in store.

    • Book her for child endangerment/abuse. A child could have found it and killed themselves or a friend. Where was the safe storage?

      Selective law enforcement. They can track down every random person at the Capitol on Jan 6th and prosecute them but the known “antifa warlord” passing out guns in Seattle didn’t seem to face any consequences.

    • Randy, you’re not paying attention! It was not his spouse, it was his girlfriend, who was his dead brother’s spouse. You can’t make this stuff up.

  14. Hunter committed at least two felonies – lying on form and possession by a prohibited person. His GF committed another, possession in a school zone.

    Dont be surprised though if they both get a pass and they go after the FFL for knowingly selling to a prohibited person.

    • Beau Biden’s widow and Hunter Biden’s girlfriend and Joe Biden daughter-in-law also committed obstruction of justice.

    • “Dont be surprised though if they both get a pass and they go after the FFL for knowingly selling to a prohibited person.”

      The FFL is off the hook, *unless* they knew of the conviction at the time of the sale.

      The FFL doesn’t perform the background check, they make a required call and whoever they call reports whether or not the applicant is a prohibited person.

      Or the FFL sold the gun at a time before the call was required by law…

  15. The owner, Ron Palmieri, later turned over the papers to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, which oversees federal gun laws.
    Who immediately burned them.

  16. Secret Service shredding paperwork to keep him out of jail, FBI shredding his laptop to keep him out of jail, is there no limit to Hunter Biden’s degeneracy and our corrupt federal government’s willingness to cover for him?

  17. “Will he face consequences..?”

    Yagottabeshittinme. The little prince could shoot up a grocery store with a crack pipe in one hand and a MAC-10 in the other and daddy would simply pardon him. Then he’d call the whole episode a teaching moment to illustrate why we need to get guns off the street lest they fall into the wrong hands.

    • Hunter is a part of the “Nomemklatura”, or the new ruling class. He will continue his father’s great work in leading the country into a new utopia, just like North Korea.

      Mortal laws and rules do not apply to such superior beings.

  18. This has been so throughout history: the privileged get privileges. No matter democracy, republic, monarchy, dictatorship, you name it, it will always be. Truly, “nothing to see here.”

    Humans are humans, and will act in human ways. Humankind is not perfectible. If your privileged guy is getting you what you want, a little more privilege is simply the cost of getting what you it.

  19. Anybody else would be in prison.

    But real talk, fuck their forms. Fuck their rules. Shall not be infringed.

    But the rest of the story… Wow. Just wow. And it’s not even fake. It’s just ignored. Fucking ridiculous.

    Either we can all use crack and throw away any weapon we want anywhere we want, or none of us can.

    • in light of the current climate and the heavy push for gun control this really should see the light of day…where’s FOX news when you really need them?

      • They are actually the only ones reporting it. I sift through the news on google from time to time, and I’ve chosen to have it not show me liberal media sites and disliked every time it does, so now the only ones that pop up are fox news and a couple others lol. I prefer unbiased news, but compare to the liberal side, I’d rather read fox…

  20. Why even report this????
    Republicans all know NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING will happen.
    Amerika is as corrupt as it is dysfunctional!!!
    Hope China, Russia, France and the rest of the world are taking notice!!!!!!!!

  21. Hell yes, if Hunter Biden lied on a 4473 he should be charged and prosecuted.

    But that’s a separate issue. This Secret Service claim is too peculiar to ignore.

    The gun store looks like a real nice place. Of course the photos must be old ones because the store is full of guns for sale!
    https://www.starquestshooterssupply.com/

    Now what I would like to know is, does Starquest Shooters Supply have security video of the two Secret Service agents coming up to the counter and asking for the Hunter Biden paperwork? If not, why not?

    And if they do, that video should be online, right now!

  22. “Will he face consequences for his Form 4473 perjury?”

    No felony violation as alleged in the title of this article, the question only asks if you are a user or addicted to a controlled substance. There is no evidence that Hunter Biden was a user or addicted to a controlled substance at the time he filled out the form.

    “Question 11.e on Form 4473 asks the purchaser: “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”

    Regarding the claim that the Secret Service removed form 4473, there’s no evidence this actually happened.

    “If the Secret Service removed this 4473 from the FFL’s premises and the ATF later audited generally or requested this 4473 specifically (e.g. in an attempt to trace the serial number should the gun be connected to a crime) and the FFL was unable to produce the document, they’d be in serious trouble. At minimum, they’d almost certainly lose their license to deal in firearms.”

    Ridiculous hyperbole, if US Secret Service agents actually confiscated the copy of form 4473, the FFL licensee would be in no legal jeopardy.

    And where is the surveillance video of the Secret Service visit to the gun store, or the sworn affidavit from the gun store owner and clerks?

    Regardless, any reasonable FFL licensee would have made a copy before turning the form over to federal agents.

    Is this all y’all got?

    Why hasn’t any news outlet printed the purported emails from the alleged hunter Biden laptop?

    And where was your outcry when drunken Vice President Dick Cheney‘s Secret Service detail obstructed justice and blocked the investigation of Dick Cheney‘s violations of Texas state law regarding his reckless endangerment and malicious wounding?

    Hunter Biden occupies no political office, ‘Dick’ Cheney was the serving Vice President of the United States of America.

    Why the double standard, the ‘Dick’ is a Republican.

  23. The DOJ admitted that they routinely do not prosecute people who lie on a 4473 form. In fact their representative stated they were not interested in Prosecuting people. For this federal crime. We have already discussed this TTAG. That video tape should be part of our pro gun rights campaign.

    • You are correct, the Washington Post investigated trumps ATF’s prosecution of those who lie on form 4473 and here are the results:

      “Reviews by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in fiscal 2017 led to 112,000 gun-purchase denials because people were in forbidden categories, according to a new report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) investigated 12,700 of those cases.
      How many of the investigated cases resulted in prosecutions?
      Twelve.
      That’s 0.09 percent of the cases ATF investigated.”

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/%3foutputType=amp

  24. fyi
    The drug legalization crowd will continue to vote for the democrats. And expecting a differetnt result. Than the result that really happens.

    “White House Staffers FIRED For Past Weed Use!”
    video 12 min long

  25. To chastise Hunter for having used drugs or alcohol at some point in the past and then taking away his gun rights and prosecuting him for it WOULD SET A DANGEROUS GUN CONTROL PRECEDENCE FOR US ALL!
    How can folk on this page be so short sighted (rhetorical)? The answer is easy. 2A & Republican politics have become interwoven. This Biden BS is purely political and really doesn’t have anything to do with 2A!….

  26. Hey, China Biden is a Democrat and they are untouchable, soon there will be no more 2nd Amendment, Elections will be a technicality as in the Communist Countries, now America seems to be infested with cowards added to a Corrupted Supreme court so, BurroRats rule and what you gonna do about it…?

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