Speed, surprise and violence of action. Bad guys use it. So should you. Case in point [via fox13now.com]:
According to police, officers were called to a unit at the Aspenwood Apartment, 4100 South and 4000 West, around 2:30 a.m.
Police believe a party was going on when three masked suspects made their way into the home. Two of the suspects went straight to the back bedroom and started grabbing items, including electronics. The third was holding a handgun and told everyone to get to the ground.
“The [tenant] was like, ‘Are you serious?’ and [the suspect’s] like, ‘Yeah, this is a robbery. Everybody stay down,'” said Lt. Jeff Conger with West Valley City Police.
One of the tenants tried grabbing his things back from one of the suspects while his roommate came out of a bedroom holding a shotgun. He and one of the suspects fought over the gun, police said.
According to police, no shots were fired. The suspects all fled, and they left their handgun at the scene. The suspects are most likely unarmed, according to police.
Huh? Robbers armed with a handgun have, what, given up on the whole have a gun thing? I doubt that. Anyway, shotguns . . .
A shotgun is one of the best “one-stop shot” firearms commonly available to the general public. A such they are a fearsome weapon. Make that a fearsome “long gun.” Which presents an obvious problem: they’re easy to grab and deflect.
The best way to avoid that problem is not to get within arm’s reach of the bad guy. And the best way to do that: either hold them off with the threat of ballistic perforation or, it must be said, shoot them.
Remembering that most jurisdictions prefer that the perforated perp pose an imminent danger of grievous bodily harm or death. In other words, they should be in the act of trying to inflict GBH or RIP. That said, many states regard criminal trespass as an inherently imminent threat.
If the bad guy gets a hold of your shotgun, you can corkscrew the gun to remove offending hands. Or, it must be said, shoot them. Remembering that ServPro knows how to deal with the resulting mess. Like it never happened. Luckily, in this case, it didn’t. Right?
If you’re so close they could grab it keep it tucked between your arm and side. No point in aiming when that close. Could always spear forward too. I like taking out the shotgun or carbine once in a while to hit the heavy bag. Spear, butt, strike, hold. Don’t forget the “fight” in gunfight.
No hesitation, no surrender!
Or shockwave that bad boy.
+1 with positional shooting.
Had an instructor insist I learn point shooting from the hip w/ the shotty.
Much more accurate than I thought possible. And training in that was a hoot.
Agree, Zen. In training for pre-RVN sendoff they taught us (at the end of qualification) to shoot our M16A1 from the hip at 15 yard targets. It proved to be natural, simple, and the first shot they wanted us to fire if ambushed on a trail. I confess I was in aviation in RVN, but appreciated the training.
I like taking out the shotgun or carbine once in a while to hit the heavy bag.
Now I’m picturing the home defense Mosin-Nagant. Fix bayonet!
Why isn’t she wearing safety glasses?
Probably the same reason she is firing a gun that knocks her back a foot when she shoots it. Whoever is helping her is an asshole.
I’m sure carbines make fine HD weapons, but I’ll always be a shotgun guy if for no other reason than familiarity. A Remington 870 is the only gun I’ve run under anything that even vaguely approximate stress and it’s the only gun I can confidently load and operate in the dark via muscle memory.
“either hold them off with the threat of ballistic perforation or, it must be said, shoot them.”
+1
“Remembering that ServPro knows how to deal with the resulting mess. Like it never happened.”
+1 plus nomination for winning the 2A Internet today.
Wait, an indoor range that allows shotshells? That interesting.
My local range does.
So does mine.
Mine will sell you the shells and rent you the shotgun to shoot them from. All indoors.
I stumbled across a range in Utah that would rent you a full auto aa12. It was an indoor range that allowed .50bmg rifles as well.
Article 2 allows shotguns – with slugs. I had to cut open one of my reloads to convince the guy that there is realy no shot in those fold crimped shells.
love the servpro addition —do they take gold coins??
“A shotgun is the only [possibly] one-stop shot firearm commonly available to the general public…”
Are there any one-stop shot firearms NOT commonly available to the general public? Asking for a friend. Crew serviced weapons don’t count.
And I can think of some other firearms I suspect would be one-shot that are available to the public but, to be fair, would be rather impractical.
M1 Garand? M1A?
A shotgun is the only [possibly] one-stop shot firearm commonly available to the general public.
What? Shotguns are great and all, but many big game hunting cartridges are going to scramble the insides of a human with a CoM shot.
I would not want to bet on my odds of crawling away, no less continuing the fight, after getting hit in the chest with s .30-06.
Point taken. Text amended.
Remembering that most jurisdictions prefer that the perforated perp pose an imminent danger of grievous bodily harm or death.
If there’s any jurisdiction where you can’t shoot someone who is holding hostages at gunpoint, let me know, so I never go there.
I reckon a perp holding a hostage poses an imminent, credible threat of grievous bodily harm or death.
Depends on the hostage.
Let’s not judge without knowing more – if this was a party as described, then it seems very possible that the guy with the shotgun did not have a clear shot.
He still messed up allowing the bad guy to get close enough to grab the gun.
Right on, I’ll take my chances on catching whatever makes it through the BG over having my friend arm the BG with a shotgun he can then use on me at his leisure.
Or, put another way, don’t bring out a gun you aren’t willing to use.
I think this is a video is a perfect argument for a 410 ga loaded with buckshot or slugs. , semiauto too.
she is clearly hesitant to fire the 12 ga. It looks like it is too big for her to maneuver and control easily, the recoils caused her to lose balance/focus, and she forgets to work the pump.
rem 1100 in 410 or 20 ga with a youth stock. loaded with buck or slugs.
or a circuit judge 410 double action carbine revolver
“Remembering that most jurisdictions prefer that the perforated perp pose an imminent danger of grievous bodily harm or death. In other words, they should be in the act of trying to inflict GBH or RIP. That said, many states regard criminal trespass as an inherently imminent threat.”
While I’m sure all “jurisdictions prefer that the perforated perp pose an imminent danger of grievous bodily harm” (key word being prefer), your unstated point that you should know the use of force laws in the jurisdiction you’re in is a great one.
You should also figure out what you think you can live with. Just because deadly force was legal doesn’t mean it was right.