Happy Thanksgiving From TTAG

Yeah sort of like how the battle of Stalingrad was a “mostly peaceful“ border dispute?

Sherman was a murdering bastard. Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln were the originators of the modern warfare policy of directly attacking civilians and destroying non military targets, farms, and livestock, and infrastructure.

The War Of Northern Aggression was not about slavery. It was about taxes and tariffs and keeping the northeastern banking and steel barons in control of the country. It wasn’t to free the slaves, it was to make us all slaves.

Truth. All the south would have had to do to pull the excuse the north had for that war was to free the blacks and then declare independence. They did not. Tell yourself that lie that the war was not about slavery.

But no major countries, including England, would recognize the southern .gov as legit because of the slavery issue. And England had cause to weaken the US.

And who owned slaves in the south? A relative handful of the very wealthy who did not hesitate to use poor, non slave owning whites as cannon fodder to keep their wealth and status.

Not to mention fathering children with the female slaves his army came across. It was about making sure that the South could/would not rise again from the ashes.

Most Plantation owners were 4th and further generation and looked at the slaves as theirs which included a certain responsibility of giving them a certain standard of living. The slaves only knew that life, they had no concept of managing money or living in the US society. The slavery culture was dying, some plantations were forced to sell some workers to contractors who were all about the money and keeping discipline. Most of the abuses of slaves came from these contractors.

It was a different time and place. The owners did not want to cast out their people to the tender mercies of the world, which is what happened.

We all have heard about “40 acres and a mule”, which was a plan of repatriation at the time. The Republicans in control after the war supported the carpetbaggers from the North in their picking the South clean for personal gain rather than helping the ex slaves, who were left to starve – with the rest of the population of the South.

I am not defending slavery in any way, I am just stating What the people of the time believed.

War is HELL and is supposed to be in that way societies are less likely to participate in them. Unfortunately since the formation of the U.N. Civilized Nations (sarc) have attempted to sanitizes war. Which is why wars are no longer won or lost. The U.S, hasn’t won a war since WWII including the Gulf war where be just declared victory and came home. You don’t win by declaring victory. You win when the enemy no longer exists. Which caused Our soldiers to continue a fight that should have been finished long ago. Some of Us understand the realities of War and Many more may soon learn them the hard way. Either way the purpose of War is to Win. if that requires the destruction of everything that affords an Enemies ability to fight so be it. That Is how the Nazi’s and Imperial Japan was defeated. We haven’t won since the use of Total War was removed as a strategy. Keep’n My Powder Dry…Yours is Up to You.

Of course the Civil War was about slavery. But don’t believe me or anyone else. Go and read the declarations of secession for each state. Many states, like my state of Texas, specifically point out the right to keep slaves as the reason for secession. I’ll believe the people who wrote it down at the time in their own words.

Yes, slavery was the issue, as it was before the constitution could be ratified. However, the principle was State sovereignty, as in no simple legislation had authority to abolish, or even regulate slavery in a State. Regulation of slavery not being a delegated power to the central committee, it would require a constitutional amendment to abolish or regulate it. So, seeing the writing on the wall, the salve states decided that they did not want to be part of a union that decided expedience overruled the constitution.

Now, for those who believe slavery was so morally reprehensible (as determined by a majority of politicians, not as objectively determined by any unquestionable, universal theory of government) that a constitutional amendment was too cumbersome a process to endure, and just majority legislation was sufficient (and within the intent of the constitution) to end slavery….it is the exact same argument being used by anti-gunners to thwart the Second Amendment through gun control laws: we cannot let the constitution stand in the way of doing what is right.

BTW, the abolitionists knew inherently that slavery was constitutionally protected….read “The Emancipation Proclamation”. It freed exactly zero slaves (four slave States remained in the union, and the federal government did not strip the slaves from their holders). If a constitutional amendment were not required, there would have been no need for one after April 1865,; mere legislation would be sufficient evermore. Yet, after armed victory, which “settled the slavery issue”, a constitutional amendment banning slavery was ratified.

Hope everyone ate plenty, I know I did. It was a good day to be thankful for.

@jwtaylor

What happens when you sign a contract with another and the other party does not live up to the agreement?
Do you continue to honor that agreement or do you walk away?

What if the other party continues to manipulate the contract for only their own benefit and edging up just to the line of breakage….say for 30 plus years.

Would you feel upset, put upon, taken advantage of?

I would and I would be looking for a legitimate reason to walk away based on the contract.

And that’s why you will find Slavery listed in the South Carolina Ordinance of Succession. This was the line that broke the contract.

Slavery was used by the North, and to this day still is, as a “psychological crutch” to justify slaughter.

Sam I am points out key aspects of this in his reply.

Bonus Round: How many freed slaves died of starvation and disease after the murdering bastard sherman’s march?

https://www.amazon.com/Sick-Freedom-African-American-Suffering-Reconstruction/dp/0190218266

“Bonus Round: How many freed slaves died of starvation and disease after the murdering bastard sherman’s march?”

The question you raise is not about Sherman, but about Congress, about the President, about policy. Ultimately, after the surrender, the US Army was officially designated to be entirely responsible for the re-settlement and welfare of freed slaves; the Army, not some civilian government agency. Like much of our history, America is focused on “the big picture”, details not so much. Even the end of “the Gulf War” left a single general in charge of figuring out how to deal with the remaining Iraqi Army, having “no fly” zones, dealing with refugees, the whole nine yards; State was quiet as a mouse.

Which is why we need to band together and destroy the left and its fascist brown shirts, the antifa.

Slavery of any kind can not be tolerated here.

“Those who would fight to preserve the enslavement, torture and killing of their fellow humans have no redeeming qualities that should be celebrated by their descendants.”

The legislative tactics used by the Abolitionists to circumvent the Constitution, are the same ones being used by the anti-2A mob to get around the Second Amendment.

Using unconstitutional methods to rid the nation of an evil of one kind justifies the same methods to rid the nation of a different evil.

One wonders why the Prohibitionists found it necessary to use the amendment process to rid the country of the evil of Demon Rum?

The ends justify the means; might makes right. We need to get over our righteous selves. When we have the power, we can pass legislation that makes gun controls illegal. Then we have to keep the power to prevent the pendulum from swinging the other way again.

Where did you hunt? You have your own acreage?

I had an ex-brother in law who owned a dairy farm in PA. He killed deer to keep them out of his feed corn that he grew. (he was also a big time – serious bow hunter. Like, killing a huge grizzly in Alaska with a bow, which is crazy as far as I’m concerned) . I asked him what he did with the deer he killed (he had killed like 60 that year alone). He took me to his basement and there must have been 200 quart jars of deer meat. It did not look appetizing at all. I had hunted deer from age 10 and had never heard of canning deer meat. I chalked it up to some northerner/yankee weirdness like scrapple or “hog maw”. He got a couple of jars and made a traditional beef stew except it was made with deer tenderloin and it was so good it was unbelievable.
I have never had more deer than would fit in the freezer but I am a believer now. If done right both in prep and in recipe, canned venison is a winner. And actually, scrapple and hog maw are pretty darn good too.

Anonymous,

Unfortunately, my family does not have any acreage for hunting. Fortunately, my immediate family and I have permission to hunt on three different properties (which belong to other people) within five minutes of my home. In total my immediate family has access to about 60 acres of land for deer hunting.

As great as that sounds, two of those three properties are hit-or-miss (no pun intended) on any given year. And while the third property is pretty reliable, it is tricky to hunt because it is really small. We simply do our best to make the best of it — which includes carefully choosing which locations, times, and weather to hunt as well as getting out as often as we can. Some years, we go to extraordinary lengths to get just one deer. This year we were blessed to get three deer with less effort than normal. Such is the nature of hunting. Sometimes it is relatively easy and productive. Other times it is difficult, frustrating, and unproductive.

Anonymous,

By the way it helps that two of the three properties that I can hunt are adjacent to crop lands which rotate between corn, soybeans, and alfalfa. For the uninitiated, deer love those three crops. When those crops are available, deer populations will be pretty huge and the deer as well tend to be quite large since they can gorge themselves on what is effectively an infinite supply of food. For example the large doe that we harvested this year had about 3/4 inch of fat on her body. You don’t typically see that on deer in wild/forest areas.

Heads up…to me the BEST YouTube AR15 “how to” site is back after 3 years AWOL> NSZ85. Stumbled on him today. Best ever instructions on how to easily stake a castle nut.

I’m currently in NorCal this week. Upper 50s and clear skies. Perfect Autumn weather before Old Man Winter comes.

what’s good on smile? cracked pepper?

The only reason to have kids is to get grandkids. I got a dozen of them. I think. Just got back to CA today after spending bird day with two granddaughters. Tomorrow I go to a grandsons bday party.

On and on it goes. I’m exhausted. But grinning like a sailor in a cat house the whole time.

“Don’t fire until you see the eyes of the whites!”

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!