David Frum is, well, here’s the columnist’s bio: “I’m a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I’ve attended every Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the “Read My Lips” Bush, the “Axis of Evil” Bush. I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea.” Actually no, no you don’t. Not unless you know that Frum is a proponent of civilian disarmament. Which you can kinda guess from the Tweet above. If not, here’s an excerpt from the dailymail.co.uk story linked to above . . .
A 76-year-old woman was killed in a shootout as a gang tried to rob her outside her South Carolina home in the early hours of Saturday.
Dorothy Hendrix was shot twice by the gang of two men and a woman, but she managed to shoot one of her assailants in the stomach before dying of her wounds.
Steven Hagood, Tereba Geer, and Bradacious Galloway have all been charged with murder.
‘She fought. She was a fighter. She shot him,’ the victim’s brother, Ronnie Lollis, told WYFF News Channel 4.
So who “deceived” Ms. Hendrix into believing she had a natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms? What, exactly, would Frum have had Ms. Hendrix do: hand her money over to armed robbers and hope for the best?
Frum would have been on safer ground if he’d highlighted the fact that Hendrix was running an illegal gambling operation and “often returned home in the early morning hours with large sums of money.” But gun grabbers don’t have any interest in looking beyond headlines. Not that it would have made any difference. When you’re anti-gun hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The highest number is currently 39, so the gun they are teasing us with being the G42, we should see three new guns. One of them being a single stack 9mm is almost guaranteed, the question is what will the other two be. For the other two, there are three possibilities; a pocket .380, a single stack .40 to go along with the 9mm, or long slide competition .45. We are just going to have to wait and find out.
A gun is not a talisman. No thinking person believes the mere presence of a gun will protect you. But, a gun and the willingness to use it, definitely gives you an advantage. The slain woman did not go quietly into that good night… something, I’m sure, Frum would be hard pressed to understand.
Thanks. Now I remember why we save his editorials to line the bird cage.
Frum and other conservative elitists like him demonstrate the axes we need to focus on aren’t always accurately left vs right or urban vs rural, etc. His kind are of the same type as liberal elitists, and pretty much all politicians.
The actual axis that separates the two important world views which are in conflict on every issue is Submissive Authoritarianism vs Independent Egalitarianism. There are droves of both liberals and conservatives that yearn to be submissive to an authority preserve their sense of security through false certainty. They long for authoritarians among them, who are our political elite, to rise up and dominate them. The apparent strength of their dominating authoritarians, and the hierarchy which enables it shaken whenever anyone anywhere demonstrates independence and actual egalitarianism. I think this jarring of their tenuously constructed false certainty causes great mental torment to these submissive authoritarianism people. This is why they predictably lash out with a great energy, comparable to a fight-or-flight response for survival (because it is), to suppress examples of independent egalitarianism.
I get the little jab he’s going for, but he’s just wrong. We already know that innumerable, successful DGU’s take place every day, some by the hands of senior citizens. So if he’s going for the “this lady died fighting back when there never was a chance of successfully doing so” angle, then that’s wrong on the facts. If he’s going for the “this lady died taking a risky approach when she could have been guaranteed safety if only she’d complied” tack, well that’s false, too. Armed robbers regularly kill their victims to eliminate the witness, or at least with enough frequency that compliance is no guarantee of safety.
So that leaves him without any serious point to make. Thanks for stopping by, Frum.
David is right. How many times do we hear about a police officer getting killed in a gun fight. We are deceiving police officers into thinking they are safe when we give them a gun. Disarm the police so that they can be safe!
Like that brave 76 yr old woman, I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Frum’s mileage obviously varies…
Holy crap! I live in this county!
The choice is not always to live or to be killed. Too often it is to be killed or to be tortured and then killed. She made the right decision.
The real issue with guns in America? Look at the people that killed her, there is thee number one issue yet nobody, not even the most racist conservative or fearlessly blind progressive has the balls to come out and tell the truth. I don’t even need to say much more. When a group of people that represent only 7% of the overall population are responsible for well over 50% of all gun murders and gun crimes and we don’t even talk about, well we deserve what we get. Same goes for voting two-party, we deserve every ill our political system creates. When we ignore the real issues the truth is never told and nothing is ever fixed. RIP granny, wish you could of got three head shots off before they got you.
So sick of political correctness and liberal sob fests. Enough is enough. Somebody in Washington needs to grow some balls and get this conversation started.
If you read the article it says she was robbed once before in 2011 and the perps were never caught, which is why she started packing.
I can see this going both ways. On one hand, its very possible the crooks would have just taken her money and left like they did last time, and that she arguably died over money. The other argument is that they may have killed her anyway, but even if they didn’t they almost certainly would not have been caught since the first robbers (who may have been the same people) were never found either. Compound that with the fact that she was running illegal gambling and you can argue that she did not have much choice. Either keep getting victimized or take a stand and possibly lose your life. They were caught because she fought back, so her struggle was not entirely in vain.
Too often those that carry do think their carry piece is protection. They think that once they have it, they feel that they can be have any situation thrown at them and them be ok. This is not the case.
Carrying is just the beginning of self defense with a firearm. Training will teach you how to fight and hopefully get out alive. The best case scenario is that the perps are dead and you are unhurt, the worst, you are dead and the perps are unhurt. The goal is the minimize the latter.
I think the best case scenario would be the perps go to jail and nobody gets hurt.
These “perps” were obviously all too willing to kill someone to get what they wanted. Why exactly is it “best case” that they are arrested, tried and convicted, at great expense to the public treasure, then incarcerated at great additional expense for an unknown number of years while filing appeals, again all at government expense, rather than being gunned down in the street like the pestilent scum they actually are?
Yes, this woman ran an illegal gambling establishment. Except for the government no collecting taxes on her income, and assuming it was a reasonably honest operation, this was a victimless crime and the money she earned was willingly wagered.
So the main issue here is, did those three pass their NICS when they bought their pistols and were they carrying their CCW permission slips when this incident occurred? Seems to me that their lawyers could argue that this paranoid old lady drew on them first and they only fired in self defense. They only took the bag of money because they were afraid there might be another gun in there and they didn’t want to leave it on the sidewalk where it might fall into the wrong hands. Their plan was to turn it all over to the police immediately after their friend was treated at the E.R.
Some people… some people just love to use the blood of vitims to grease the wheels of politics.
Typical Republican.
Your right, I mean if it weren’t for the Boehner and McConnell we the Feds wouldn’t be confiscating our guns come January 1st,
Idiot.
Black Multicam. Coming to a trigger-happy SWAT team near you.
When a normal person remarks that a task resembles finding a needle in a haystack, they probably mean to imply they need to find a smarter way of doing it. When a government bureaucrat says something is like finding a needle in a haystack, they mean they want a new department, with a bigger budget, and more haystacks.
A gun doesnt mean you’ll win every time, it just puts you on a level playing field.
1. Born into the Morman Church, well, they got you from birth and not believing what your parents tell you is the truth is a tough path.
2. Yet there are the brave souls that aquire the courage and suffer greatly to get out.
3. And then there those who are able to come to believe a bunch of made up crap and join this church.
After that, any of his beliefs that line up with the 2A are an accident because they can’t be sourced on any rationality or reality based thought.
Sequence of respect? 2-1-3 and 3=0
Where I come from, an “arsenal” requires at least 5 crates of mosin nagants.
H&R single shot 12 Gauge. Cut to 18.5 inches. Equipped with Choate Survivor stock and foregrip. Bandoleer of Various loads, including a sling with various rounds, and a mag dump bag to carry extra rounds as well. Can be housed in a tennis racket bag for discretion. Costs a little more than $100 so if car/truck is in fact broken into and by chance they take your tennis racket, your not out a whole hell of a lot.
Excepting specific needs like farm work and ranch related stuff, I don’t see the practical point behind a vehicle equipped long arm.
We carry pistols, because at any time we may need to fight for our lives,and carrying a 12 gauge under your coat is bad for your back.What sort of emergency will let the armed citizen unlock a case/trunk , load a long arm, and address the problem? Few felons will be so honorable as to cease shooting at you while you fumble with your car remote to pop the trunk.
If someone takes a shot at you from 50 yds plus with a long arm and they’re a decent shot, your first warning will be a painful hole materializing on your person.If they’re not, phone the Sheriff to bring his MRAP and take cover.
Speaking of police, it’s more likely well be pulled over for some minor traffic problem or, worse, be mistaken for fleeing criminals .In the event your car matches the description of ,say, fleeing cop killers two miles away, I would NOT want to be the guy with a loaded long arm in his trunk while several scared and armed cops illegally search his car with their fingers on the trigger and all.Sure , you won’t be charged in the end, but you have to be alive to beat the rap.
Lets us assume the police aren’t a problem in your area.The combination of high G forces from a car accident combined with a loaded rifle= ND risk.Then there is the concern for what to do with the gun if your car unexpectedly breaks down. Do you call a cab holding the case of a $1500 rifle in your hand?Is it even legal in your state to transport a weapon like that (for your NJ,NY,and Illinois TTAGer’s).If some lowlife breaks into your car , he’ll get your Daniel Defense M4 as a bonus prize.May God ,Jesus, Buddha, and Moses help you if it gets used in a crime after that.
It’s a lot of risk, for very dubious reward. Especially when we can cite cases of proficient pistol shooters neutralizing threats at 50+ yards with their handheld duty guns.
You hit pretty much the same reasons I don’t have a trunk gun, but before I reached that conclusion, I was thinking really hard about an AR pistol in 300 blk. Then I built it anyway, for a house gun. Sig brace arrives on Wednesday.
I can’t think of a better gun for close quarters. Shorter than a rifle, more powerful than a pistol caliber carbine, cheap standard mags, and way less velocity loss than a .223 version.
I like the idea of a truck gun but you have to ask, what purpose would it serve? If you’re a prepper, versatility is good. If you are tactically minded, a tactical firearm would be the preferred course of action. With that rationale in mind, I would go for a Remington 870 which is about as versatile as it gets or an AR/AK depending on preference. I remain unconvinced that a pistol caliber carbine brings enough greater capability to the fight to make it a serious course of action. Sure you can have something that shoots 9mm with optics, lights and freakin lazers, but why not go for a 5.56?
I agree in principle, guns (and gun owneship) should not be deliberately made more expensive. The second amendment is for everyone or it’s for no one.
That having been said: Based on a lot of the comments I am reading here, it sounds like you might be better off without one of these things. You take your life into your hands firing one. Still, if I were alone in a locked room with a knife or club wielding assailant and one of these was on the table, I’d pick it up and hope it hurts him more than it hurts me. But to buy one new? There are better options out there.
Bad idea in general id say, but if you had to, go with a KSG with slugs, bird, and/or buck.
Polymer fares a bit better in rust inducing weather, and its small. Shells are cheap as hell right now. Slugs for armor, even if it doesn’t break, it’ll knock them on their ass. Buck for game and soft targets, bird if you get stuck in the woods and don’t have deer near you. Cook a squirrel right its mighty tasty.
Thank you for your story.
I currently keep an extra concealable handgun in a lockbox in each vehicle. No, they don’t have the punch or intimidation of a shotgun but I figure keeping a low profile will get me farther in most situations than raw firepower. I do include a holster and extra ammo with the gun.
That said, if my world was looking a bit spookier I’ve got a 20″ Mossberg 12ga that could easily be shifted to a trunk for a time increase available firepower. Since I’ve got other long gun options at home that one would make the most sense to me.
I’m thinking the kel-tec actually. I ain’t rolling in dough, so if I carry some kind of glock handgun that’d give me a system with one kind of ammo and one kind of magazine, which I like. Keep it simple.
AR pistol with 7.5″ barrel and the SIG “arm brace”
I carried a mare’s leg in .44Mag in my trunk for a while until I realized A) I might as well keep my Super Redhawk under my seat, B) I didn’t want to have to leave the inside of the car to get to it, and C) I wanted some sort of theft prevention. I’m thinking more along the lines of a AK pistol stuck under the passenger seat and rear floor mat in a biometric safe (which apparently doesn’t exist in that size yet). Since I drive a Camaro, there’s not much space to stow stuff unless you can find a way to make the space, so I’m still working on it….
Major components? Would this ban polymer pistol frames or wooden rifle stocks?
Part of Obamacare was delayed by one month next year, from Oct to Nov 2014, to avoid angry citizens voting at the same time they would be receiving their insurance cancellation notices.
A similar thing is happening here, with Sen. Schumer wanting only a one year extension (vs the past 5 and 20 year extensions) to get endangered democrat senators past this years election. So that next year they can re-visit the issue, and put even more restrictions in place.
So yea, lets renew the original bill for another 5 years, till just before the next election cycle. 🙂
This kind of Federal extortion would be unthinkable in Canada and, I suspect, in the United States. When Chretien passed the Firearms Act, Provinces like Alberta refused to enforce it. But the system in Australia is an emasculated federalism, where the states do not even have revenue-collection powers. And Australia is slipping into Singapore-style ‘authoritarian democracy’ in other ways:
http://www.internetblackout.com.au/
Let’s not skip out on subparagraph B either. You can buy a polymer “80% lower” that requires milling to complete. Milling out the lower constitutes “manufacturing” (and which is why the AF has shut down “build parties” where a member of the group supplies pre-programmed CNC machines for milling aluminum receivers, on the basis they are illegally manufacturers). Now the lower is not a “firearm” until it is milled, but once it is a complete stripped lower it would be illegal to possess under this law.
I bought a Pheonix Arms .22 only because the guy who owns the gun shop gave it to me at his cost just to get rid of it. It pretty much sucks in every respect. Odd thing was that the only reason he had it was some joker asked him to order it and never came back. It’s the long barreled “target” version so it’s got a kind of cool look to it, but thats about the only good thing I can think to say about this waste of low quality metal. It has 3 safties, 1 of which seems to have ceased to function in any way, but had no effect on the funtioning of the pistol. It was strictly an impulse buy, kinda like when I bought a wrist rocket slingshot. Yeah at least the slingshot is reliable. In fairness, almost every malfunction was with crappy wallyworld Federal ammo, but there were a few with CCI’s too. I shoulda known better but I thought maybe I’d luck out and get a decent shooter on the cheap. Guess not.
Wow.
ATF screwing something up.
Nah, it’ll never happen again~
Back in the early 90s when this was the Davis P380 I actually bought one.
I used to call it my duck gun.
It shot well, weighed a ton for zinc,
When you shot it if you didn’t duck.
The spent case would hit you smack in the forehead.
I think I paid 65$ for it.