very cool, i am waiting my my own a3 to come to my local shop, one of my all time favorites. It is interesting to me that so many people hate on bullpups on the Internet. If they are so bad, why do some many military forces all across the world use them?
Modern bullpup designs evolved in the 1970s – a time when the war planners of the world were focused on mechanized warfare and MOUT operations as the predominate type of Infantry combat. In the military, we used to call it the “Fulda Gap” scenario – named after a region in Germany thought to be the likely location of a Soviet armoured advance into Western Europe. At the time, the thinking was that infantry would be driven to the fight in “battle taxis” such as the M113 APC (and later the Bradley, Warrier, etc). Bullpups fit in well into this type of battle plan, because they are short and compact, and offer certain advantages over folding stock, shortened-barrel designed that typified the other solution to the “long rifle” problem.
Yeah, there really is no such thing as infantry any more. You’re in a helo, an apc, a hummer or even just a truck. Add to that that a lot of operations are now being conducted in built up urban areas at close range and the bullpup design makes a lot of sense.
I disagree that there is no infantry anymore. I suspect you meant to say that there is no “light infantry” anymore – drawing a distinction between folks that walk to battle and those that ride. In my estimation, the fact that light infantry uses helos and trucks to get to battle is not the determining factor. It is the lack of armor in those vehicles that makes a unit “light.” The military plans its divisions around how many C-5 and C-141 sorties it takes to get them to a hotspot.
I Love my FS2000 CQB. Short on length, long on accuracy, and a very tactical brass ejection system
I have a FS2000 (tactical version). Love it. Bullpups have the benefits of an SBR without the class 3 hassles. The front brass ejection is very cool and makes for true ambidextrous function.
You’re doing the mag change wrong, that totally won’t work for 3-gun (or any real world situation). When ready for a mag change, pull your new magazine and use the side of the mag to strike the magazine release behind the empty magazine. This will cause the empty magazine to drop, then insert the new magazine and slap the carrier release just above with your palm. Return left hand to forward position and resume firing.
If this is anything like the EMSAR, I wonder how close one’s support hand is to the gass piston.
Imho, that’s one of the two problems with this design (the other being the incredibly un-natural contortions required to reload at speed.)
Given the historical difficulty of getting hold of Stair parts and gear I think I’d rather go with an EMSAR or FS2000.
Or just wait for ruger to come up with a mini14 version…the bp14 or some such.
Sorry to say, but I tend to disagree with MD Matt concerning the ‘awkward’ magazine change.
I have owned and fird a Steyr AUG SA A1 for the last 21 years and have won many IPSC-style matches with it. With a bit of practice (as always), magazine changes with the AUG are very rapid and also very positive.
As a matter of fact, basic human ergonomics states that it is much easier to reach for your opposite shoulder than it is to reach for a spot in front of your other hand.
Just try it 🙂
The first only requires you to turn your lower arm around the elbow.
The second requires you to extend your whole arm , using both your arm AND shoulder which is actually slower.
Also, the basic AR15 layout is such that the magazine has to be seated neatly into the magazine well, thanks to it relative long lenth.
The AUG’s is not nearly as picky as the AR15, and, in general, AUG magazine are much better quality wise as the average AR15 magazine out there.
I would want to trade my AUG for any other rifle, althoug the A3 certainly looks tempting.
very cool, i am waiting my my own a3 to come to my local shop, one of my all time favorites. It is interesting to me that so many people hate on bullpups on the Internet. If they are so bad, why do some many military forces all across the world use them?
Modern bullpup designs evolved in the 1970s – a time when the war planners of the world were focused on mechanized warfare and MOUT operations as the predominate type of Infantry combat. In the military, we used to call it the “Fulda Gap” scenario – named after a region in Germany thought to be the likely location of a Soviet armoured advance into Western Europe. At the time, the thinking was that infantry would be driven to the fight in “battle taxis” such as the M113 APC (and later the Bradley, Warrier, etc). Bullpups fit in well into this type of battle plan, because they are short and compact, and offer certain advantages over folding stock, shortened-barrel designed that typified the other solution to the “long rifle” problem.
Yeah, there really is no such thing as infantry any more. You’re in a helo, an apc, a hummer or even just a truck. Add to that that a lot of operations are now being conducted in built up urban areas at close range and the bullpup design makes a lot of sense.
I disagree that there is no infantry anymore. I suspect you meant to say that there is no “light infantry” anymore – drawing a distinction between folks that walk to battle and those that ride. In my estimation, the fact that light infantry uses helos and trucks to get to battle is not the determining factor. It is the lack of armor in those vehicles that makes a unit “light.” The military plans its divisions around how many C-5 and C-141 sorties it takes to get them to a hotspot.
I Love my FS2000 CQB. Short on length, long on accuracy, and a very tactical brass ejection system
Had the chance to fondle a Sabre Defence clone. Phenomenal ergonomics!
I have a FS2000 (tactical version). Love it. Bullpups have the benefits of an SBR without the class 3 hassles. The front brass ejection is very cool and makes for true ambidextrous function.
You’re doing the mag change wrong, that totally won’t work for 3-gun (or any real world situation). When ready for a mag change, pull your new magazine and use the side of the mag to strike the magazine release behind the empty magazine. This will cause the empty magazine to drop, then insert the new magazine and slap the carrier release just above with your palm. Return left hand to forward position and resume firing.
You’re welcome 🙂
If this is anything like the EMSAR, I wonder how close one’s support hand is to the gass piston.
Imho, that’s one of the two problems with this design (the other being the incredibly un-natural contortions required to reload at speed.)
Given the historical difficulty of getting hold of Stair parts and gear I think I’d rather go with an EMSAR or FS2000.
Or just wait for ruger to come up with a mini14 version…the bp14 or some such.
Sorry to say, but I tend to disagree with MD Matt concerning the ‘awkward’ magazine change.
I have owned and fird a Steyr AUG SA A1 for the last 21 years and have won many IPSC-style matches with it. With a bit of practice (as always), magazine changes with the AUG are very rapid and also very positive.
As a matter of fact, basic human ergonomics states that it is much easier to reach for your opposite shoulder than it is to reach for a spot in front of your other hand.
Just try it 🙂
The first only requires you to turn your lower arm around the elbow.
The second requires you to extend your whole arm , using both your arm AND shoulder which is actually slower.
Also, the basic AR15 layout is such that the magazine has to be seated neatly into the magazine well, thanks to it relative long lenth.
The AUG’s is not nearly as picky as the AR15, and, in general, AUG magazine are much better quality wise as the average AR15 magazine out there.
I would want to trade my AUG for any other rifle, althoug the A3 certainly looks tempting.
Correction (slow site 🙂 )
I would NOT want to trade my AUG for any other rifle, other than perhaps a nice 18″AUG A3.