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Reader Bill Moore writes . . .

Liberals own guns, too. Pew Research says it’s about 2.5 to 1 ratio of Republican/conservatives owning guns to Democrat/liberals…44% of Republicans, 20% of Democrats.

Here are some demographics on who, exactly, owns guns in America . . .

Pew Research demographics gun owners in US
Courtesy Pew Research

Understanding gun ownership isn’t as simple as knowing who does and doesn’t own a gun. Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with people who do. I’m a progressive. I hate guns, but I own them. A lot of them. Over 50 guns and rifles. Why? Republicans.

The far right fascist part of the GOP is slowly taking that party over. When I get yelled at by some jerk in a mud-covered pickup with Don’t Tread on Me and Trump flags flying at a stop light and they say, “We have all the guns, libtard,” (I drive a small Honda with ‘liberal’ bumper stickers), I think…he’s right. They DO own all the guns. Or, at least, a 2.5 to 1 majority.

So, let’s fix that. Democrats need to own guns too. Yes, it’s wrong and stupid, but, guns aren’t going away in America. Ever. We progressive just need to accept that.

So, let’s normalize it. Let’s get Democratic lawmakers to stop demonizing guns and work with Republicans to create effective no-nonsense gun laws that do simple things like regulate them like cars. Register them, license their use, and require insurance. Set up municipal gun ranges in every city (paid for by the license fees) to train people how to use and own them responsibly. Teach kids about them.

I took a concealed carry class in my state. That’s all that’s required to get a concealed carry license in Colorado. It was three hours of PowerPoint slides by some ‘NRA certified’ guy who owned a ‘tactical training’ company who spent half that time pitching his own classes for us to take later.

I paid $65 for that ‘required’ gun class, sent the ‘certificate’ he’d signed to our local sheriff’s office, paid the state fees ($150), and bam…I got a license.

handgun shooting range practice pistol training
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Do I know how to conceal carry now? F**k no. It’s a joke. We need to fix it and make sure people with guns truly understand the responsibility of owning them.

There were FOUR mass shootings on Monday in the US. Four. And those are just the ones I actually heard about.

That said, guns aren’t going away in this country, so let’s embrace them. Seriously. Everyone including Democrats needs to embrace them to normalize this for all of us.

I vote straight Democrat every election and will continue to do so. If Democratic lawmakers stopped going after guns, many of those single issue 2A voters who agree with democratic principles would vote Democrat, if only the party stopped being so anti-gun.

So my message to Democrats in office is this: embrace guns and make it easy and safer to own them, and you’ll never ever lose another election. Five to ten percent of the single-issue voter 2A people will switch sides and that’s all you need to stay in power. American society is healthier and richer when Democrats (who want to run governments) are in charge vs. Republicans (who want to dismantle government).

As for the radical right NRA and other gun groups, including all you gun manufacturers and support companies out there: Stop being so radical and support this agenda. Why? Because it means more business for all of you. More customers who want nothing to do with your products now.

Stop using fear and toxic masculinity to sell products and just make it ‘normal’ to have weapons everywhere.

Wasn’t it Heinlein who said an armed society is a polite society? I don’t know if that’s true, but I do know we’ll find out if we take this approach.

 

Bill’s op-ed was originally a comment posted here

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    • once and for all let’s get this straight…driving a car is a privilege…owning a gun is a right…they’re not the same thing at all, so let’s dispense with the useless comparisons endlessly put forward by the left…

    • Yes he’s a fucking liar.

      “I paid $65 for that ‘required’ gun class, sent the ‘certificate’ he’d signed to our local sheriff’s office, paid the state fees ($150), and bam…I got a license.”

      That isn’t how it works in Colorado. You take the certificate too the sheriff’s office and get fingerprinted and photographed for your license. He’s not only a liar he’s a liberal pos liar, if there are any other kind.

      • You’re probably right, that he is a liar, but this article wasn’t written for us it was deriding the gun community and falsifying the truth about Co. policy. This is the same as when a gungrabber claims that it is easier to buy a gun
        (sent right to your home) than a book. People in some neighborHOODS don’t ever buy a book but they sure get guns.

    • Funny how their “statistics” are broken down as Dem. vs. Rep.
      Didn’t Pew Research say a couple of years back that there are at least nine definable political divisions in the U S ?

  1. You’d think Democrats what with all the pandering to the lowly workers and the constant push to give away all things for free would stop demanding those lowly workers be necessitated to expend their own out-of-pocket cash to jump through government mandated hurdles just to practice an enumerated right.

    Their constituents are, allegedly, too poor and stupid to get ID but not too poor and stupid to throw away $200+ dollars and take a day or more off of work to hear some mumbling idiot tell them not to point the gun at their own face? Then, and only then, will they per ALLOWED to participate in an explicit right.

  2. “regulate them like cars. Register them, license their use, and require insurance. ”

    Your terms are NOT ACCEPTABLE. F off.

  3. If I ever need advice from a dumbazz who belongs to the Party that owns the legacy of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, lynching, the kkk, Eugenics, Gun Control and other race based atrocities I’ll ask for it. In the meantime the busy body dictatorial liberal democRat can man up and hold his party monetarily liable for Reparations…Let the guilty party reach into their fat coffers and PAY UP.

  4. That was funny. I’m a liberal gun owner, but… He owns a lot of them. Over 50 guns and rifles. I thought rifles were guns too. Why seperate them? I don’t own a lot of guns, but I know those that do. I only have 50+ handguns and a few more long guns. Still, I guess 50 firearms is a decent start for a liberal.

  5. No one, Republican or Democrat, ever talks about WHO commits most of the mass shootings. It’s like it’s a spoon of poison or a live electrical line. As long as we ignore the WHO, we will not solve the problem.

    And, even more frustrating, everyone knows who the WHO is. Everyone. And I mean EVERYONE, knows who the who is, but for some reason EVERYONE is loathe to mention it.

    I’m not.

    BLACKS commit the most mass shootings, in inner cities run by Democrats. It ain’t the Amish, it ain’t the Italians, or the Jews, or anyone else.

    And who is the most likely victim of a mass shooting??

    Guess what? BLACKS are the most likely victims of a mass shooting. It’s like EVERYONE thinks BLACKS do not deserve any consideration as victims. Democrats care less than Republicans do, but most on both sides won’t even talk about it.

    And people call ME a racist.

    • OK racist…If everyone knows about something already then stfu and tell them something they may not know…Like telling lily white pissants so fixated on the boogieman being Black they wind up being a batch for a some sneaky white perp.

      • Debbie, if we all need to ignore the WHO, quit harping on the WHAT….or at least change up your broken record bullshit, they don’t even teach ABCs by rote anymore.

        • You know, the WHY is much more important than WHO.

          Unless you’re a racist, grasping at justification for your prejudice.

        • MINOR Miner49er, You consider anyone who does not live in the “hood” to be racist. Get lost.

        • What “prejudice” Miner? Are you denying Johnny’s statement? Take out black on black shootings and what happens to gun crime statistics? And you Debbie nothing about what Johnny said was racist so maybe you should stfu.

    • the only legit mass shooting this holiday was in Philly where the guy was clearly a nut case…the rest are usually some tribal beef between blacks with the innocents caught in the middle…

        • “Pretty sure all the so called mass shootings happened in black communities”

          Yes, many white racists travel to black neighborhoods to commit their mass shooting crimes:

          “The 19-year-old White man who killed 10 people in a racist mass shooting at a grocery store in a predominantly Black area of Buffalo last May apologized to the victims’ families and was sentenced to life in prison during an emotional court hearing Wednesday.

          “I’m very sorry for all the pain I forced the victims and their families to suffer through. I’m very sorry for stealing the lives of your loved ones. I cannot express how much I regret all the decisions I made leading up to my actions on May 14,” Payton Gendron, wearing an orange jumpsuit and shackles, said in court.

          “I did a terrible thing that day. I shot and killed people because they were Black.“

          Here’s another:

          “During a Bible study at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Roof killed nine people, all African Americans, including senior pastor and state senator Clementa C. Pinckney, and injured a tenth person“

        • MINOR MIner49er, Gee, you found two whole incidents where a white guy dida “mass shooting” in a Black community. There have been PLENTY of “mass shootings” in the Black community done by BLACKS!
          Get off the racist B/S! Grow up! Oh, wait, you can’t; you’re from California, the Land of Fruit and Nuts!

        • Cool Miner you found two now how does that compare to black on black mass shootings again?

      • Someone tell Debbie Onenote – the Philly shooter (as ALWAYS) was a black guy. Clearly insane (a cross dressing/tranny POS) BLMer.

    • Johnny, the problem is the definition of mass shooting. I’ve done an informal survey of friends and realatives. All them described a mass shooting as a shooter with no connection to the victims (unless targeting a specific demographic) killing as many people as possible. Most of what the media call mass shootings are targeted homicides. I live in the only predominantly black county in Florida. I’ve never seen a mass shooting. I have worked several multiple homicides that the media would call a mass shooting today. The suspect in every one of them intended to kill those particular individuals. Unless you were in the way of that person’s escape, you were not in danger. A gang shooting is not a mass shooting. It’s gang warfare.

  6. Thank you TTAG. Please keep allowing these liberal gun owners to post their thoughts. They have certainly convinced themselves that they should have guns. And obviously it has been very, very difficult, for them to admit that publicly.

    They are very uncomfortable with Liberty.

    But they can’t help themselves and reveal that they have never supported the second amendment. They certainly have the right to call themselves liberals if they wish. But they are not liberals at all. They have always been fascist/communists.

    A man certainly has the right to call himself a “woman”. But he has no right to force people to acknowledge that. Society does not have to endorse his lie.

    I’m glad this liberal gun owner is admitting that the Democrat party is officially an anti-civil rights party. It always has been.

    The Democrat party is the party of the Welfare Industrial Complex. It is the party of slavery and it likes keeping lower class black people in slavery. Along with anyone else who has been ensnared, long-term, in the Welfare Industrial Complex.

    They even say they believe in legal Legalizing marijuana. And they lie about that, just like they lie about supporting the second amendment. But of course the fools will still vote for them.

  7. Just another fascist insisting that rights are something that needs to be permitted by the state.

    The left was bought out by old white billionaires. Liberals only exist in small pockets mostly to the right of the political spectrum. I would consider myself a liberal.

  8. I’m glad that this Democrat admits he votes straight Democrat. So I know he totally supports the current governor g@y married with children. Who signed the law repealing preemption in the once free state of Colorado. And went on to signed even more gun control laws.

    Or perhaps Mr Moore is one of those libertarian democrats. The libertarians have said that this g@y married with children Colorado governor is a great libertarian.

  9. “Let’s get Democratic lawmakers to stop demonizing guns and work with Republicans to create effective no-nonsense gun laws that do simple things like regulate them like cars. Register them, license their use, and require insurance.”

    Please explain how your “no-nonsense gun laws” would reduce crime (where the current laws do not) and reconcile them with the Second Amendment.

    BTW, the liberal talking point is “common-sense” gun laws, not “no-nonsense” laws.

  10. Because some Yahoo in a truck yells at him, Republicans are going to come after him? I’m a very conservative Republican voter and I have no time to waste on liberals. I’ve better things to do.

    • I think that they misspelled contributer’s name… it should be ” Bull More “, not Bill Moore.
      FIFY

  11. Way back when , sometime in the late neolithic period, when I was growing up, we were taught you succeeded, or failed by your own efforts. If you failed, you started over and tried again. In rural Wisc. back then relief/welfare was something to be avoided at all costs. With a couple exceptions. Usually a woman who’s husband had died or disappeared. Or someone with a long term/permanent disability. Elderly had family, savings, and the small SS check.
    When I was very young, the county farm was still an option for those who were destitute. Room and board, and a small paycheck. Usually enough to help get you back into the workforce and employed then housed elsewhere.
    So, being raised as I was, and most of us in that part of the country at that time, we were fairly conservative within our own lives.
    And, an 8th grade education was enough for many people. You could read, write, balance a checkbook, write business letters, balance ledger books, understand interest rates on loans and mortgages, knew basic US and some world history, and had a reasonable understanding of basic sciences. About 2/3rds of my generation did graduate high school.
    We understood at a young age exactly what firearms were, how they functioned, and how dangerous they could be. We also were taught that farm machinery, large animals, and motor vehicles could be dangerous.
    In those rural areas, and even those living in the small towns the majority of households had firearms. Mostly long guns. Many rifles were surplus military weapons. Shotguns were common and light rifles like the .22 cal. rimfires were everyday tools.
    Suicides were rare, usually by hanging. In more than 20 years I can remember only a handful of murders.
    Check the student parking lot during any hunting season, and there would be enough arms to outfit a company of Marines. With students and teachers both going out during lunch, or after school to admire someone’s latest firearm purchase.
    Handguns, while not as common were around. With more women carrying a .38 in their purses than you might believe. Many of the older farmers would also have a pistol in their overalls pocket. As well as many business owners having a pistol under the cash drawer, or inside the waistband or in a pocket. Many folks remembered the road bandits of the depression era. Robbing businesses and shooting people while doing their robberies.
    look at the chart in the article. To be honest, someone lied about who owns what. Even today, get out into the small towns and rural areas and almost all adults either own firearms, or have access to them. Whether it be in dem. or rep. controlled states. Firearms may be looked upon as bad, or dangerous by those in more urban areas, or by those who have been college indoctrinated. But those of us out in rural, or small town areas understand firearms are tools with specific uses and are only as dangerous as the person holding them.

    • In “Urban areas” look who is using firearms. Illegally in the streets. Just don’t tell Debbie as you may trigger her again.

  12. I would take issue with the statement that the far right is starting to dominate conservative thinking. The main issue that would make moderate conservatives more resolute in their beliefs are the constant attacks on our Constitutional Rights by the Left and in particular the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments. If you are looking for a fight keep pushing on those particular three and you are going to get one you cannot win. It has nothing to do with the far right but more so the far left. Don’t excuse your leftist ideology as the cause. The Right is not trying to transform our society into a socialist state, trying to replace us with illegals and criminals, and blaming us for the results of the policies you promote most of which are total failures. So before you blame others look to yourselves for the causes. MOLON LABE

    • “would take issue with the statement that the far right is starting to dominate conservative thinking.”

      that’s a common left-wing political ideology…that if the left can’t dominate and get what they want from conservatives its the far-right wing has caused that. Its part of their methodology to keep polarization in place.

      • Yes and what would make you think I don’t understand that or need you to explain that to me? I think my analysis was pretty clear and supported by examples.

        • I didn’t think anything of the sort. I was just commenting on your comment.

    • dprato, You have to understand the the Leftists consider anyone to the right of Karl Marx to be “Far Right Wing.”

      • What would make you think I don’t understand that. I think I was pretty clear in answering that question with examples.

    • Bro, look in the mirror. Extremists dominate the Republican Party. You guys play ID politics more than anyone else. I recall when Ted Cruz and the “tea Party” were “far-right”. They’re basically RINOs at this point. The Right IS trying to transform this country – into the Confederacy. Newsflash, they lost.

      • “Right IS trying to transform this country – into the Confederacy.”

        There’s the guy I want to talk to. Please explain the “far right fascist part of the GOP” taking over, or transforming the country in the Confederacy. I know people keep talking about a national divorce. Is that what you mean? Or are you insinuating, like the Puppet did, that the Right wants to bring back slavery (“put y’all back in chains”)? This would be the same Right that is responsible for the SC saying we end racism by actually ending racism (instead of promoting it).

        • Dude, you don’t really want to talk with him. He’s posted several times today on threads over the past few days, and he’s not bringing anything valuable to the discussion.

        • He seems to be another disingenuous Lefty. I’d still like to hear the fascist and Confederacy thing explained. I’d like to know why they think that. So far, the only reasons I’ve seen are the same reasons why people still vote Democrat: low IQ, ignorance, or evil.

          I know some smart, non-evil, “informed” people who still vote Democrat. They watch the propaganda networks. I catch some of it when I’m at their houses.

        • So none of the resident Lefties are secure enough to explain that? It’s much easier to just hurl insults, isn’t it?

      • Truther (sic), First we are not your “bro”. If wanting to follow the Constitution as written is being “extremist”, I’ll wear that minicor proudly! You Leftists have been demeaning everything that America stands for.
        What about your ANTIFA and BLM stormtroopers that you so proudly defend?
        Republicans are not extremists in any way shape of form. But you Leftists sure as hades are.

  13. “Understanding gun ownership isn’t as simple as knowing who does and doesn’t own a gun. ”

    Why… yes it is, if you consider these are Americans instead of people like you wanting to keep things polarized in “side bs side”.

    Thats how democrats have been operating, polarizing one side against another…the same tactics fascists have used through history.

    Its Americans….the constitutional rights are for all Americans, if they choose to exercise that right is their choice.

    “Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with people who do. I’m a progressive. I hate guns, but I own them. A lot of them. Over 50 guns and rifles. Why? Republicans.”

    Really? Republicans came along and forced you to own guns?

    Look, it was already pointed out that your story didn’t ‘hold water’ when you commented this exact same thing previously. Its a common claim for democrats to claim they own guns while coming up with this very scheme you put forth now to subjugate a constitutional right to government control. But here you are claiming to own 50 then saying how you are a Democrat and progressive like its two different things, when one of the core complaints from that anti-gun sector is that your (supposedly) 50 guns would constitute (as they claim) the ‘stockpiling’ they oppose.

    You think this is our first rodeo? we’ve seen this exact same thing before from democrats, its their ‘common sense’ rants which goes under another more formal name in courts called ‘interest balancing’. We have also seen them go ‘hey, thanks for agreeing with us right wing but to make this even more common sense we need just a little bit more..its in the interest of ….” and they keep taking and taking and eventually Heller and then Bruen came along to put a stop to this, and your regurgitation of it now is simply a disguised ‘interest balancing’ the left wing abused and exploited for over 60 years in courts to slowly stop away the free exercise of constitutional rights in one form or another.

    Take your disengenous comments elsewhere, take your lies elsewhere, go be a fascist elsewhere, and take your tyranny with you.

    • there are many tale tale signs that you are lying. Some of them are subtle and lend them selves to showing you are ignorant of the subject and are contriving, for example…

      “Over 50 guns and rifles”

      rifles are guns. ‘guns’ are not a separate thing from rifles. No real gun owner says they own “guns and rifles”, it exposes an ignorance of the gun culture and even looks contrived. Real gun owners say they own guns and if they choose to elaborate they say some are, for example, pistols and some are rifles and sometimes they may attach quality of each category type and specific kinds in each category.

        • just about anything more than a BB gun (and sometimes including BB guns) is an “arsenal” to the prog. When you live in a world where progs mental illness can declare a nerf gun an ‘assault weapon’ anything can be any thing they claim it to be (related it before but basically; happened to me and a friend I was helping out, set up a nerf gun booth at an elementary school for an after school ‘trunk r treat’ event a few years ago and one prog parent went nuts and claimed were were instructing 6 year olds on how to use ‘assault weapons’ and called the cops – all they were doing was knocking over a plushie they wanted to win and were having fun doing it.)

    • and this bit of stupid…

      “I’m a progressive. I hate guns, but I own them. A lot of them. Over 50 guns and rifles. Why? Republicans.”

      you hate guns but you own guns because the Republicans made you own guns?

      “I vote straight Democrat every election and will continue to do so.”

      So let’s get this straight…you hate guns but Republicans made you own guns but the say in the rest of your tale it would be OK to own guns with just a little this and that subjugated to government control for, ya know, safety, while you vote Democrat all the time and they are the very party that has flat-out said they want to ban all guns and even tried to put in place a confiscation by intervening in Canglia vs Strom

      hmmm where in history have we seen this overall concept of ‘just give up a little for safety’… hmmmm. aside from the British and every beginning tyrant in history…

      …this concept was a favorite of Hitler when he started out…give up the books, give up the guns (yes, he did confiscate guns), give up the jews, just a little bit for safety my German people…and here are some nice guys called the Gestopho to help you.

      Yeah, its going to be hard pass for me. I recognize the left-wing mental illness when I see it.

      • “you hate guns but you own guns because the Republicans made you own guns?”

        He’s saying he owns gunz because he sees Republicans as a threat.

        • Well since Democrats, Republicans and Independents all own firearms it would be hard to build a rationale about having firearms to protect yourself from any one particular group including the Government because there are all types of Governments (ie: federal, state, city, county, town, village, etc.) I own firearms for hunting, target shooting, collecting and self-protection. I don’t define a group for self-protection because I might need to protect myself from any number of individuals from any number of groupings which are almost unlimited, and they don’t need to be political groups. You could include races, colors, national origin, etc. as well. So, singling out a particular group is a bit ridiculous. I am a moderate conservative independent and quite frankly would only use a firearm against another individual in self-defense not because of any affiliation.

        • “because he sees Republicans as a threat“

          He must be reading this list, chock-full of conservative Republicans advocating for the deportation or death of their political opponents.

        • “chock-full of conservative Republicans”

          One lying troll supporting another. There’s a surprise — not.

          Hey Liar69er — since you’re psychic, what’s on my voter’s registration card? $100 says you’ll lie about it.

        • @Man with no name, Miner doesn’t honor bets. Ask me how I know. For the record, he’s the one that suggested the bet. His $20 bet was that the Puppet wouldn’t open the border after I said he would. Obviously I won.

        • MINOR Miner49er. No Republican is proposing killing you Lefties off or deporting you, although the idea has some good points. We would welcome your leaving of course. You are corrupting the country with your Leftist ideology

        • Truther (sic), You bet we have seen the comments here. Grow a pair. Or maybe it is time for you to leave the kitchen as you can’t seem to take the heat.

      • “this concept was a favorite of Hitler when he started out…give up the books, give up the guns (yes, he did confiscate guns)“

        Let’s go to some actual research to determine if your assertion has any merit:

        “Abstract
        Say the words “gun registration” to many pro-gun Americans and you are likely to hear that one of the first things that Hitler did when he seized power was to impose strict gun registration requirements that enabled him to identify gun owners and then to confiscate all guns, effectively disarming his opponents and paving the way for the Holocaust. One of the more curious twists in the historical debate, though, is that the most vocal opponent of this argument is also pro-gun. It is the National Alliance, a white supremacist organization. According to them, “German Firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of arms by German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive laws which had been enacted by the government preceding his.”

        “If you read the 1938 Nazi gun laws closely and compare them to earlier 1928 Weimar gun legislation – as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation – several conclusions become clear. First, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.“

        “ …it seems that the Nazis aspired to a certain relaxation of gun registration laws for the “law-abiding German citizen” – for those who were not, in their minds, “enemies of the National Socialist state,” in other words, Jews, Communists, etc”

        It seems the Nazis have much in common with most on this list who want to restrict the rights, or even kill, communists here in America.

        Adolf would be so proud of you folks.

        source:
        “On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars
        Bernard E. Harcourt, Columbia Law School“

        • “Adolf would be so proud of you folks.”

          He’d be even prouder of you, Liar69er — you’re the true anti-freedom, anti-rights acolyte of the Nazi leader.

        • MINOR Miner49er. Like the good little Leftist control freak, you want to have all guns registered. Is that correct? For what purpose? Tell the truth, there is really only ONE PURPOSE. Confiscation. It’s what has happened in every country that has tried that scheme.
          You Lefties think people are sheep. In some respects you are right. Some of us are sheeple. But not the majority of us.
          We are on to your little scheme. We have heard that we are “headed for civil war”? Most of that malarkey comes from you Leftists. What better way to insure the “victory” of the Left than to disarm your opponents?

        • Once again Miner49 shows he doesn’t know what context or research is. Notice also how he left out that Jews were also German citizens and instead tended towards laws that benefited what Hitler called the “aryan race” (mostly the Nazi party members) in terms of German citizens. Typical left-wing slant tactic to disguise their racism.

          So lets explain some context and research to Miner49er….

          https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/to-conquer-a-nation/

          “The book Hitler’s Table Talk, 1941-1944: Secret Conversations records Hitler as having said the following sometime between February and September 1942:” >>>

          “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.

          —- Adolf Hitler”

          Hitler declared German Jews to not be ‘reliable’ people but rather an inferior and subjugated race (see the hitler quote above).

          But lets continue….

          Disarmament of the German Jews > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

          “The legal foundations that the Nazi Party later used for the purpose of disarming the Jews were already laid during the Weimar Republic. Starting with the Reichsgesetz über Schusswaffen und Munition (Reich law on firearms and ammunition), enacted on 12 April 1928, weapon purchase permits were introduced, which only allowed “authorized persons” the purchase and possession of firearms. Mandatory registration of weapons was introduced, which gave the government the opportunity of accessing weapon owner and their weapons at any given time. Manufacture and sale of weapons was only permitted if authorized so. The purpose was to ensure that firearms were only issued to “reliable individuals”. Starting in 1930, bladed weapons were also regulated. The carrying of weapons in public now required a weapons permit. …

          In early 1930s Germany, few citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms, the Weimar Republic having strict gun control laws. When the Nazi party gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened for Nazi party members only. The laws were tightened in other ways, such as specifically banning ownership of guns by Jews. Nazi laws systematically disarmed so-called “unreliable” persons, especially Jews while relaxing restrictions for Nazi party members. The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries. …

          Immediately following the “Machtergreifung” in 1933, the weapon laws of the Weimar Republic were used to disarm Jews, or to use the excuse of “searching for weapons” as a justification for raids and searches of homes. ”

          I could go into the books and everything else too….but this is enough for right now, and I will say once again…

          …this concept was a favorite of Hitler when he started out…give up the books, give up the guns (yes, he did confiscate guns), give up the jews, just a little bit for safety my German people…and here are some nice guys called the Gestopho to help you.

        • Not defending Adolf, just pointing out the common goal of Hitler and many on this list who openly advocate deporting or killing communists.

        • Communism has slaughtered more than hitler. There isn’t an iota of difference in the two. Neither belief system should be tolerated in a civilized nation.

        • @Miner49er

          “Not defending Adolf, just pointing out the common goal of Hitler and many on this list who openly advocate deporting or killing communists.”

          First. you did indeed defend Hitler and you did it by using a left-wing source they spewd the false slant you wanted to spew out to make it look like Hitler did not confiscate guns but he did from the Jews who were also the German people, and guns were restricted to members of the Nation party contrary to the false assertion view that gun laws in Germany were loosened.

          You defended Hitler, period.

          Second… who are these “‘many on this list who openly advocate deporting or killing communists.” and how many is ‘many’ and what list? like you know, context in numbers describing how many these ‘many’ are. To give you an example since you don’t know what context means I’ll start…the person you defended, Hitler, murdered around 6 million defenseless people. Ok, now its your turn to use context and tell us how many is ‘many’ on this ‘list’ you claim.

        • correction for “members of the Nation party ”

          rogue spell check on phone…

          was suppose to be

          “members of the Nazi party”

        • Oh, by the way, in my post above for the link to “Disarmament of the German Jews”

          look at the part…

          ““The legal foundations that the Nazi Party later used for the purpose of disarming the Jews were already laid during the Weimar Republic. Starting with the Reichsgesetz über Schusswaffen und Munition (Reich law on firearms and ammunition), enacted on 12 April 1928, weapon purchase permits were introduced, which only allowed “authorized persons” the purchase and possession of firearms. Mandatory registration of weapons was introduced, which gave the government the opportunity of accessing weapon owner and their weapons at any given time. Manufacture and sale of weapons was only permitted if authorized so. The purpose was to ensure that firearms were only issued to “reliable individuals”. Starting in 1930, bladed weapons were also regulated. The carrying of weapons in public now required a weapons permit. …

          In early 1930s Germany, few citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms, the Weimar Republic having strict gun control laws. When the Nazi party gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened for Nazi party members only. The laws were tightened in other ways, such as specifically banning ownership of guns by Jews. Nazi laws systematically disarmed so-called “unreliable” persons, especially Jews while relaxing restrictions for Nazi party members. The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries. …

          Immediately following the “Machtergreifung” in 1933, the weapon laws of the Weimar Republic were used to disarm Jews, or to use the excuse of “searching for weapons” as a justification for raids and searches of homes. ””

          Does any of that sound familiar? It should, its what the Democrats are trying to do – enact Hitlers plan to disarm and confiscate and in California and New York and Illinois and other blue states and the democrat congress and Biden they are trying their best to enact it. The Democrats have already demonized gun owners like Hitler demonized the Jews and they consider gun owners a separate ‘population’ to be inferior and to be subjugated like Hitler said the Jews were.

          This is what dacian and Miner49er endorse and tries to push – Hitlers plan.

        • MINOR Miner49er. You aren’t “defending Adolf?” Horse pucky. We have been through this before. Adolf is one of your bed fellows. Remember Giovani Gentile? My how quickly you forget?

  14. “Bill” has lots o’ guns so he can defend “himself” from all those evil GOP belongin’, truck drivin’, Bud Light hatin’, jackbooted, MAGA hat wearin’ strawmen he constructed in “his” addled brain. “Bill” also conflates rights with privileges – yet another clear indication of how defective what’s left of “his” mind is – and freely spreads the disinformation that “he” lives in a democracy. “Bill” is a sad, sad example of what passes for a thoughtful person on the Fascist/statist left these days. “Bill” probably can’t find his azz with both hands nor know it from a hole in the ground.

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  16. What’s a conservative Democrat? I know there used to be some. Now you have to support abortion, sexually indoctrinating children, be anti-gun, and pro-racism.

    • Is that the same as anyone claiming to be Republican has to believe that women don’t have rights, anyone who is not white, christian, and straight is the devil, be absolutely pro-gun/anti-gunlaws, and anti-America?

      • @Truther Elite, You live in a fantasy world. Republicans are for equal rights. They are for being “color blind.” They’re interested in a person’s content of character, just like MLK, Jr. dreamed about. You certainly don’t have to be a Christian or straight. Where did you get that idea? You don’t have to be pro-gun, but you do have to be pro-Constitution. You’ve been misled. Do you watch MSNBC?

      • How to say that you’re a fascist troll without saying you’re a fascist troll.

        Way to out yourself, truther.

      • Saying “look at all the racist, women hating posts” might work better for you if there were any.

      • Truther (sic), You are not dealing with a full deck. We certainly do believe in equal rights for all. Just we don’t believe in anyone have special rights like you Leftists do. Fact is you Leftists can’t even define what a woman is? And we don’t give a Rat’s Behind if you want to be gay. Just don’t thrust your being gay on us.
        And do us all a favor, leave that racist crap at home with your book of Karl Marx.

  17. My previous comment was moderated, and they apparently took it down despite the fact that I believe I stayed within the community standards. Essentially what I said was that it was an error to say the Far Right was taking over conservative thinking. I blame that on the Far Left and their policies of discriminating against conservatives and trying to limit our 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendment rights which I do not believe we will let them do. On many of those issues the Courts have generally sided with conservatives. Quite surprised that they took my original comments down.

    • We haven’t taken anything down. The filter catches some comments (sometimes for mysterious reasons) and I clear them throughout the day. None have been deleted today.

      • Yes you are correct but when I checked back it appeared the entire comment had been deleted and then reappeared. Thanks for clarifying.

  18. “The far right fascist part of the GOP is slowly taking that party over.”

    Let’s continue defining terms. What exactly is the “far right fascist part of the GOP?”

    • “What exactly is the ‘far right fascist part of the GOP?”

      Its the part the left-wing made up.

    • That would be the part of the GOP that expresses logic, reason, common sense, rule of law, the Constitution and can define what a woman is.
      They blame the person for committing a crime. They do not focus on an inanimate object as the perpetrator of a crime.
      If you were to possess any of those attributes, then Democrats declare, screaming usually, you are a fascist.

      • When you exist in a world where men can become pregnant, you put violent criminals on a pedestal, and women never lie, anything is possible. I’d still like for one of the resident lefties to explain it. Their main complaint about “right wing fascism” seems to be right wingers trying to get rid of porn books and sexual indoctrination in schools. So now you’re a “fascist” if you don’t want schools to teach your children how to have anal sex.

        • “put violent criminals on a pedestal” – Bro, you literally just described anyone who supports Trump or the insurrectionists. I’m with you though, schools should ban porn books like the Bible.

        • I figure the schools are just getting our children ready for the screwing .giv is going to give them when they join the work force.

        • “schools should ban porn books like the Bible”

          You only want the Bible banned because it contains sexual references, correct? Yeah right Miner. We’re all familiar with how triggered you get over Christianity.

          I’m fine with banning every single thing that references sex. When I went to school, there was one day when they separated the boys and girls into two different classrooms. They played a quick video about going through puberty. That was it. That was the extent of sex ed I got in school. There is zero need to discuss alternative sex and gender ideology. I understand you guys are pissed about the backlash you’re seeing, so in turn you’re crying over the Bible. Boohoo!

        • Truther (sic), Horse pucky! You Leftists are the real supporters of the criminal element. You want no bail and coddling the beggars. And again, we are not your “bro”. We don’t associate with people who coddle a criminal or supports ANTIFA and BLAM.
          In spite of what you Leftist antagonists claim there was no insurrection on J6. It was a demonstration that turned into a riot instigated at least in part by Federal agents.

  19. Props to TTAG for posting this. It is not the view of all Liberal gun owners, but a lot of people are in that boat. When people refuse to understand the other side, refuse to bend, take all-or-nothing positions, they end up with nothing. It is important to take the time to know where you can find allies. People need to recognize that you cannot be pro-gun if you don’t acknowledge that there are gun-negatives. Being pro-gun means addressing those negatives responsibly, not bashing anyone who has an opinion which differs from your own.

    • “When people refuse to understand the other side”

      This is hilarious coming from you. You’re just another disingenuous and out of touch with reality leftist. You sound like Miner49er.

    • Every comment you’ve made here is bashing someone, truther. And who are you looking to work with? The gop? You’ve done nothing but hurl insults at them.

      You’re just another fascist troll. You believe we have to have .gov permission to exercise basic rights.

    • in praise of Truther

      Good God an intelligent person (who is also not mentally ill) on T Tag!!!!!! They are very rare here.

      • Oh, the irony. Clown shoes just dissed himself and doesn’t realize it. And even when I point it out to him he will still miss it.

        No wonder we are winning. dacian is on the other side.

        • hes an idiot, like all left-wing believers there is a gaping hole in his logic context reasoning based in confirmation bias.

    • Truther (sic), we understand full well what you people are after. You claim not to want to take our guns and then you put all kinds of restrictions on them that make no sense at all to a sane human. You people seem to think that an inanimate object can commit a crime. I have a RED HOT NEWS FLASH for you. Inanimate objects can do NOTHING without a human. I refer you to the 2nd Amendment. What part of “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”, don’t you understand?
      How about putting the criminals behind bars and the mentally ill who are a threat to themselves and others in secure mental facilities? Simple really. Maybe it is too damn simple for you to understand?

  20. Making progress. Freedom.
    In the 60’s – 70’s the cops would have harrassed a person for having a sign that said FUcK on it in public.

  21. “Being pro-gun means addressing those negatives responsibly, not bashing anyone who has an opinion which differs from your own.”

    And yet most of your posts today are “bashing anyone who has an opinion which differs from your own.” Leading by example?

  22. I read as far as:

    “American society is healthier and richer when Democrats (who want to run governments) are in charge vs. Republicans (who want to dismantle government).”

    Non compos mentis – ignore…..

  23. The Commie Democrats have no problem with owning guns, they just don’t want anyone else to have them. That’s called a dictatorship. That is also why our Founding Fathers put the Second Amendment into the Bill of Rights. You could call it Equity, Inclusion, Diversity……

  24. There is something drastically wrong in American when the same political party that:

    Tries to take away,

    Voting rights

    Civil rights

    Human rights

    Social rights

    Religious rights and

    Constitutional rights,

    encourages people to take up arms in the fear that “government” is taking away our rights.

    • You’re right, dacian — there’s something seriously wrong with the Donks.

      I think it stems from mental illness.

    • Exactly defines the Democrat party, although, you left a few things out but this is close enough.

    • dacian, the DUNDERHEAD. Yep, I agree. There is something very sinister with you Leftists who want to take our rights, You Lefties want the be able to pad the election under the guise of “voter rights”. Then you want to abridge our rights to free speech with your “civil rights” right along with our human rights.
      Excuse me but what the hell is a “social right”? Never heard of that one. Must be part of your new mantra though.
      Oh yeah you want to do away with “religious rights” and make your atheism the backdrop of America. NOT ON MY WATCH!
      We don’t want to take away your Constitutional Rights (notice I capitalized”). We want to INSURE that you don’t try taking ours.

    • I’m laughing so hard my ribs hurt. You absolute idiot. You just described your side to a T.

      God bless you, dacian. You and miner are priceless to our cause.

  25. This whole thing screams “I’m a victim and not responsible and only the democrats can save me!” – typical duped left-winger nonsense.

    This whole thing sounds like something dacian would put together in his copy-n-paste orgasms, and Miner49er would spew out in his not knowing what context and research is.

    But I still can not stop laughing at this bit of contrived lying nonsense – basically, ‘I own guns ’cause the republicans’. I doubted you had any real knowledge of this subject to begin with. You don’t seem to understand what real gun owners understand inherently, that “guns” and “rifles” are not separate things but they are all guns (e.g. firearms). But your excuse for (supposedly) owning “Over 50 guns and rifles” that you hate (you even say you hate guns) is ’cause republicans. You hated guns so much that you got over 50 of them? So you hate your guns but not your rifles? Its contrived lying nonsense, you don’t own guns.

    You are a victim of democrats and your own ignorance, the left-wing mental illness displayed once again.

  26. When Democrats stop using genocidal tyrants like Karl Marx and his philosophy as the ideal, utopian bedrock upon which American political thought should be built, along with other anti-capitalist foreign ideologies, I’ll calm down…maybe.

    Yes, there are kooks in every bunch, but over the past 100 years the American public have been indoctrinated to accept lefist interest balancing as “the way things are” in the ebb and flow of politics.

    There is a much wider margin of extreme leftist politics that are culturally acceptable today than those of the right. It has been “cool and hip” to be an edgy communist bordering on Stalinism for decades.

    We screwed up by not teaching kids that Americans should feel just as nauseous when they see the hammer and sickle as their contemporary German symbols.

    Gun-owning leftists will own their pieces until they are told it’s time to toss all guns into the furnace, and then they will report on you for questioning/refusing to follow said tyranny as the founding fathers intended.

    They don’t actually care about freedom from government overreach because they believe a dominating, socialist (closer to Leninist) government is the ideal wellspring from which all “prosperity” in society should flourish.

    I’m tired of these people trying to undo the American experiment and replace it with failed, foreign, collectivist political abominations this country was founded to escape from in the first place.

  27. Marxocrats owning guns doesn’t fit with the Marxist ideal of a helpless, malleable society that can obey or die. Thus it will never happen.

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