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Totally unfair. Who doesn’t want a 9-pound, 20-round AR-15 that looks like…this? That’s the Springfield Armory Saint Edge ATC.

 

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      • Ok, genuinely curious. How’d you even manage an 11 pound 10/22? I just can’t imagine my stock synthetic one weighs any more than about 5 pounds. The heaviest of all barrels? One of those 100-something round mags? Your glass is the Hubble Telescope?

        • .920 bull barrel and solid brass receiver makes up most of it, along with a KKC laminate stock from Altamont that’s out of production. Leupold VX-3 for a scope, not overly heavy. Most accurate rifle I ever shot. Only Ruger part in it is the magazine, and that’s not included in the 11 pounds. Home made, not another one like it in the world.

    • Weighs the same as an m1, m14 or mosin nagant. And chambered in a poodle shooter round. The only thing I liked about my issue m16 was it was light enough to carry all day.

      • I think my .223 No4 Lee-Enfield conversions weight about that. One I think is more than 10 pounds. Like shooting. .22LR.

      • My 20-round, .350 Legend fixed carbine is 6 pounds loaded. 😮

        The 50% extra heft on this most likely comes from the internals of the adjustable stock. And the phat handguard.

        • Never used the .350 Legend. What’s the recoil like on that set up?

          Heavy is ok if all you’re doing is carrying the rifle from the trunk to the bench. But 9 pounds for a carry rifle? No.

        • Not much harder than a 5.56 carbine of similar weight.

          With a 170 grain PHP propelled by a 5.56 powder load.

  1. The average unloaded carbine AR-15 with a 16″ barrel with iron sights, stock and handguard weighs ~ 6.5 lbs. – and the average cost new is about $~700.00 (+/- some) depending on brand and where purchased. The average unloaded carbine AR-15 with a 16″ barrel with iron sights, stock and handguard shoots on average ~ 2’ish MOA at 100 yards.

    The first, or will eventually be the, thing the average owner of the unloaded carbine AR-15 with a 16″ barrel with iron sights, stock and handguard wants to do is “change” the gun to “improve” it.

    Then comes the standard average tinker’ish “improvements” over time of different iron sights ’cause , a gotta have ‘combat proven’ red dot type sight, new ‘light weight’ hand guard ’cause ‘accuracy’ or ‘more attachment points for ‘stuff’ or ‘looks cool’ or ‘weight’, weapon light, ‘competition grade’ or ‘tactical’ lower trigger pull trigger replacement, ‘gotta have ambi-safety, a new BCG ’cause some anonymous person on the internet said so and a review said ‘gotta have it’, a ‘combat proven’ tactical sling, a muzzle brake or recoil compensator, a few other odds and ends in spare parts -batteries -etc. Now that average unloaded carbine AR-15 with a 16″ barrel costs ~2,400.00 ’cause gotta cost lots ’cause that’s what the reviews said and anonymous people on the internet say a ~700.00 rifle is inferior but now it weights about 9 lbs and still shoots on average ~ 2’ish MOA at 100 yards. But some way or another its suddenly a tack driver when you talk about it on the internet but needs to be ‘tuned’ and ‘tweaked’ for better accuracy so its more tinkering and research that leads to the only ‘logical’ empirical fact in the whole universe that a new barrel is needed to improve accuracy and anonymous people on the internet said so it must be true so more is spent and it still shoots ~2’ish MOA at 100 yards but suddenly its more ‘accurate’ when you talk about it and it needs more expensive match grade ammo cause only the best for your baby to shoot that ~2’ish MOA ’cause the review said so backed up by anonymous people on the internet who say ‘you just need to practice but maybe a new…. would help’, and then it sits in the back of the closet and only comes out for the occasional trip to the range when you get lonely ’cause your wife stopped speaking to you.

  2. 9 pounds? And? I learned to shoot a centerfire rifle using my fathers M1898 Mauser he liberated in Germany as part of the occupation after following Patton across Europe.
    My first centerfire purchase was a well used M1894 Winchester of unknown vintage for $50 at a local hardware store. Second was a surplus Sprinfield M1903A3 from the same hardware store. Both of the bolt action battle rifles were like carrying a damn fence post around. A 9 pound pop gun like the 1 in the Meme would have been considered a toy gun back then.
    Not really in the market for another AR type rifle at this time. Not exactly a fan of Springfield Arms at this time. Might consider their M1A if the price was what it should be. Not a problem with their firearms, but, they are overpriced for what they are. Don’t like to fork out over a grand for an average quality, nothing special rifle. But then, I redilly admit I am a cheap bastard.

  3. short list.
    p9.
    emp.
    sa35.
    this last one is on the cover of a magazine i receive due to a life membership. if they made a compact alloy framed version it would be all i could do to have to buy another cz.

  4. Some of us here are old enough to have carried an issue rifle that weighed 9 lbs. 18 years old and in good condition, got accustomed to the weight and carried on. M1 Garrand. Didn’t always appreciate the “ping”.

  5. It was a cheesy looking prop gun, but the movie OBLIVION was fantastic if for no other reason than this quote:

    “Then out spake brave Horatius, The Captain of the Gate: “To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his gods, And for the tender mother Who dandled him to rest, And for the wife who nurses His baby at her breast, And for the holy maidens Who feed the eternal flame, To save them from false Sextus That wrought the deed of shame”

    Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1942164-thomas-babington-macaulay-1st-baron-macaulay-to-every-man-upon-this-earth-death-cometh-soon-or/

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