There’s many reasons why I don’t like the people behind the gun control movement, even on a personal level. But one of the biggest reasons is that they don’t accept any criticism or opposition to their position. Their beliefs are the right and true ones, and any argument to the contrary is regarded as a personal betrayal and instantly banished. In order to try and understand the other side and see if they ever make a good point (hint: still waiting), I’m a member of many gun control advocacy forums — just lurking in the background, watching. One, a would-be subreddit forum, /r/guncontrol, failed to get off the ground. Since it didn’t get any followers and crashed, I don’t mind broadcasting the fact that I was watching. But its draconian rules are a perfect example. Their rules mimic the majority of other gun control advocacy groups’ forums, and give a good insight into the way the other side thinks . . .
The forum, that’s still limping a long, believes that they’re the victim of a deliberate campaign to overload their area with pro-gun posts or criticism of their policies. They don’t consider for a second that it might just be that their minority view might be wrong and the pro-gun people are trying to help. No, they are always the victim. To combat this perceived onslaught, they implemented a rule that identified pro-gun posters will be banned if they are too vocal. From the rules:
You will be banned if:
- You make a pro-gun argument, and any one of the following apply:
- Use an account less than a month old;
- Use an account with less than 15,000 in comment karma; [ED: a metric of the popularity of previous posts]
- Post in more than one thread per day (within 24 hours of your last post).
You can come in with an alt[ernate account]! But you can’t use it to make a pro-gun proliferation joke, point, or question.
So, they don’t want people making any pro-gun points. They only want people to post opinions that match their own point of view, and will accept no debate or discussion on the topic. Theirs is the right way, and they will tolerate only a small contribution from the wrong people.
In furtherance of that goal, they specifically banned any posts from pro-gun people asking them to defend their positions. Not only have they banned any posts arguing with their point of view, they don’t even want to have to defend it. Apparently this is a logic free zone and they like it that way.
NO GUN OWNER “STAND YOUR GROUND” POSTS
Posted by a gun nut and usually prefaced with, “Honest question”, “Looking for an opinion”, “Just curious why you feel this way, looking for a rational discussion.” And then followed by the OP arguing and posting 40-50 times. We get too many of these.
Yup, they really don’t like debate. But not only will they not tolerate any comments that are against their position, they outright ban any news sources that they disagree with. I’m actually kinda proud that we made the list, though.
Linking to nutter sources like Glenn Bleck’s theblaze, Fox news, washingtonexaminer.com, wnd.com, thetruthaboutguns.com, or other “bubble” sources is not permitted. The posts will be removed and may result in a ban.
And that’s their modus opperandi: silencing the opposition. They don’t want anyone to question their pro-gun control views, and they won’t accept any debate on the subject. They don’t respect the Second Amendment and they feel the same way about the First. Their authoritarian, nanny-state supporting nature comes out in full force, and they can’t help it. They’re superior and will not hear any argument to the contrary.
Every time there’s an incident involving firearms, I always take the opportunity to re-examine my own beliefs. Would new laws have stopped this latest tragedy? Is there something inherently dangerous about the AR-15? Is a ban on “high capacity magazines” really a good idea? As Robert can attest, in the days following the Newtown shooting I was reluctant to write anything about these topics because I was still in the process of chugging through the data. But the one point that always starts me back down the path to being a vocal supporter of gun rights is the idea that if the gun control advocates’ position is correct, why can’t it stand any criticism? Why are their YouTube comments always closed? Why is there never an actual “conversation?”
That’s something that I love about the gun rights community; that the comments sections are always open. We foster debate, accept criticism, and when someone goes off the deep end and stops making logical sense we let them know. It’s a more honest way of conducting ourselves, and to my mind gives gun rights people more credibility.
Spurberry police mother f*****!
And you know “they” are lurking here, but one does wonder why so few of them post?
Fear?
But what are they afraid of?
I have seen this on FB from liberal friends who don’t like to have serious discussions about guns, until the shit hits home. One person sent me an IM asking me what kind of gun to buy b/c she was being stalked. . . . of course, publicly, she criticized me for being pro gun. Yep, you guessed it. I outed her. 🙂
I’ve seen what you are talkin about play out in real life. A friend of mine from high school hated guns for years. Well he recently came out and his now ex girlfriend’s brother and friends jumped him and beat him down pretty good. He’s out of the hospital now and we got to talkin one day when he asked if I had anything for sale… I wish I would have I coulda had a convert damn me and my short sightedness!!!
I’ve had that happen repeatedly. I don’t out them. Two of them were Million Mom March people who still vouched for me on state paperwork. Imagine. Recently our very safe (no murders) township called a meeting to address increased burglaries. Two hard-left people called me the minute they saw it. “What? Here? I should by a gun, but only because of this. Help me.” It’s normal. Violence isn’t about guns. It’s about criminals and those with serious mental illness. Yet, taking on those issues head-on just upsets the anti’s. So they obsess on guns, thus becoming the “useful idiots” (Lenin) of the ‘liberal’ statist power elite. Such has always been the way of the world. Athens banned weapons and private guards within the city. Then they let one popular man have a private guard. He then immediately established a tyranny. Nothing is new under the sun.
Their rules alone spell out the moral loss of their cause. And at the very same time, the righteousness of ours. Seriously..change the debate matter to anything, drug abuse, politics, domestic violence…any topic you wish. They loose, every time with those rules.They loose morally and intellectually in every way a person can.
ummm… i really don’t want to think of a clever comment on this photo. i really don’t want to think about this photo at all.
Boy, that’s almost as bad as firing someone for writing a piece about the second amendment that doesn’t mirror the views of its most vocal advocates.
If your actual job is writing articles to increase membership in a magazine, then writing an article designed to drive away readership isn’t a good idea.
If an editor for a women’s magazine wrote an article saying that women are partially responsible for getting raped if they engage in certain activities, such as getting drunk with strangers, I’d expect that editor to be fired, not because there article itself was controversial or couldn’t prod people into thinking about the subject in a different manner, but because it goes greatly against the mission statement of the magazine and its readership, thus that editor does not belong there.
Sir, I generally try to assume that a person making a comment here, no matter how apparently illogical, is an honest seeker, and may actually have a point I have not realized. You are making it difficult. There is an obvious fundamental difference between banning someone from the conversation, and saying that we will not pay to support a position we find reprehensible. If you literally cannot see that difference, then I weep for the people of this country.
Let’s all make dozens of accounts and make their lives hell!
And yall expected anything less than vile hatred from hoplophobes?? We’ve known all along they don’t want to talk, they feel they are superior to us in every way and, since they are, they automatically have no responsibility to hear us out.
This is how the whole democratic party and liberals see free speech. The only speech that is allowed is what they agree with. Same goes for their views on firearms.
The statist/fascist education system (essentially completely dominated by leftist thinking) that exists in this country from K-Grad is an example of how our entire country will look like if the leftists got full control of the reins of this country. If you want to see what kind of hellish/double-think country we would be subjected to you only have to look at the crazy world of the leftist campus.
sorry, but the dude had it coming to him. he was armed with a truck and was a danger to society with that driving.
If they will be authoritarian in the little things, how much worse will they be about the big things once our guns have been taken away?
“We like to party”
Tired of being blamed for damaging the gun rights cause open carriers FINALLY come up with a plan to make sure no one notices the guns….
I love debate. I think there are a lot of conversations that should be had, rather than ignored. But, as an example, I remember trying to talk with a female friend about gender equality, to which I was answered with, “You don’t understand! You’re just a man!” Which, in case you didn’t notice, is the exact opposite of debate and discussion.
I don’t mind talking about race issues, either, as someone who has had their life threatened based on their skin color. Yes, I am white. Let’s talk about why that matters. Let’s not dismiss my life experiences because there was an article on CNN the other day that said my race and gender mean I’m rich and other rich people go out of there way to make me richer. Ive actually been told I’m too poor for food stamps. There’s a handout for you.
Dissent is an important part of discourse. If you’re not ready to handle a differing opinion, you’re not looking for a discussion. You’re looking to validate yourself in an insanely shallow way that involves you not having to do any thinking or move your stance.
Ooh, that one’s a serious hot button for me. I’m white, male, blond-haired, [nominally] Christian, conservative, heterosexual, and a native Southerner. If I were also rich, then I would be every single adjective that left-wing groupthink says is okay to hate, so I get the “You couldn’t possibly understand!” card pulled on me a lot.
It pisses me off not so much because it’s their weapon for ending debate; we’re all used to them pulling any trick to avoid defending their ideas anyhow. Rather, it pisses me off because it makes the assumption that the adjectives used to describe me somehow prevent me from having empathy. That despite the ad nauseum assurances I heard growing up that we’re all the same inside, I’m somehow incapable of showing compassion or relating to the experiences of others, and on a genetic level, to boot. And yeah, I don’t take very kindly to it.
So when someone tells me that now, I don’t even argue the point anymore. I just let them know that if they want to assume that my various accidents of birth make me incapable of one of the most basic displays of humanity, then f*ck them, and f*ck their struggle, too; I’m apparently not capable of caring anyway, so why should I waste my time?
@CSGV?! What a COWARD to libel someone anonymously!
rorschach test… Miami Vice style
Speedos, cheesy mustaches, revolvers, aviator glasses and Bud – you gotta love the ’80s!
The best example I can think of to relate these people to is theirs and Obamas socialist anti-freedom god Hitler. These people are logic Nazis. Speak against them? Nein! They ban you.
Don’t ever point out that Hitler was a vegetarian Catholic Socialist. Lest we forget, he invented atheism and right wing politics. /sarcasm
Hitler was a vegetarian, not a vegan.
Vegans are much worse.
I suggest that is true for whoever has power – let’s not forget that just 10 or 11 years ago if you did not openly support the US invasion of Iraq you were publicly branded as a “traitor” by the Vice President and other members of the Cabinet. Not sure any of them qualify as liberals, socialists, etc.
I tend to be pretty critical of police, but in this case, Comstock was using his vehicle as a 5000 lb. deadly weapon, striking the point-of-view car once near the beginning, and apparently once again just before the shots were fired.
Means, motive and demonstrated intent. This was a “good shoot”, insofar as such exists. The cop is not at fault here, unless some other evidence turns up.
P.S. Did you see the kid blow the stop light at full speed? How many people did he nearly kill right there?
Everyone, if you want to scream at a real insane anti-gun nutjob, go to “TakeAimOnTheNRA” on Facebook. They outright lie and mislead everyone, and banned me two different times for telling the truth.
Seriously. It’s fun.
This pair arrived too late for the Magnum P.I. convention. They were both detained by TSA for carrying suspicious packages.
“As well as a fully functional (if a bit cranky here and there) 1911.”
In other words, it’s a normal 1911.
What open carry would look like in Europe.
We have 2 separate but related issues. On the one hand we have people who are drunk on whatever real or imagined power they might have. On the other, we have people who have a fundamental problem with authority, independent of any rational basis.
Ex. 1: “Police are nothing but jackbooted fascist thugs! How dare they tell me I can’t drive 110 in a 45 zone! There are murderers and rapists at large, and they are harassing ME!” …. “Woman, you will obey me and respect me! The Husband is the Head of the Wife and the Ruler of the Home. I make the decisions.”
Ex. 2: “Rich business owners are just worthless parisites and thieves! They get fat off the sweat of the poor, and grind them into the ground! They need to pay their fair share!” “What!! How dare that person disagree with me in a comment on my blog! I’m going to ban them, and then I’m going to ridicule them, and make them look stupid, and do my best to ruin their life!”
“We have 2 separate but related issues. On the one hand we have people who are drunk on whatever real or imagined power they might have. On the other, we have people who have a fundamental problem with authority, independent of any rational basis.”
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“The spectrum of the Spirit Polarity goes from Lucifer on the extreme left to Ahriman on the extreme right, with your spirit and my loving Light, of course, in the center. Lucifer is warm, earthy, sweet and sexual, and often mean, brutish and demanding. Ahriman is cool, mental, astringent and rational, and quite detached and judgmental.
“While Lucifer is sly, Ahriman is clever, and they both hate Free Will, but for different reasons. In a face to face battle, Ahriman will always outwit Lucifer, and yet Lucifer will sometimes win with sheer force of ill intent and ‘dirty tricks’.”
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— http://www.godchannel.com/redemption.html
The First Amendment is a limitation on Government, not Private Citizens. Dick(less) needs to take Remedial Constitutional Reading immediately.
Great scoop, guys!
I actually happy that the anti-self defense/anti-Second Amendment forum want to live in a bubble. Why do you think that Bloomberg threw away so much money in Colorado and Virginia to so little effect? [Yes, McAuliffe won but he can’t do anything to implement Bloomberg’s agenda] The antis are clueless about what the general population thinks about guns because they won’t even listen to their opponents to find out what we are arguing. You can’t be effective in a debate if don’t know what your opponent are saying.
By the way I recall a number of people wanting ban our dear friend Mike Bonomo.
Mike Bonomo was different, and in this way: He trolled. He would make spurious arguments, then go away. He was looking for links. And, since you asked, I have a problem with any anti-gun blogger who lost his right to own guns in the US years ago. Ask him. He’ll just change the subject or say “how is that relevant?”
Do anything for at least two years, you mean.
Shark, prepare to be jumped!
After being searched by the TSA, they still made it onto the
Starski and Hutch, redux.
Isn’t that Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys up front with the scattergun?
the dude abides
You mean somebody in that state has a brain? REALLY?
I think Hickok45 could take leghorn… gotta watch them old fellers theys crafty.
hmmmm, sounds EXACTLY like what happened to Metcalf
What happened to Metcalf? I though he wrote an article premised on an interpretation of law which appeared oblivious to Heller, while pissing off the advertisers who ultimately pay his salary. Is that wrong? Most magazines fire writers they think merely might have pissed off their advertisers. NYT? Same thing. Business is business. Metcalf is welcome to post here, I assume. I would even hazard to say that he knows this to be true.
Look guys! Falsie is back! He made parole!
I went to high school with Erik and I can tell you now, he has my absolute support as his case goes forward. Zero tolerance? Please…
Let’s just for the sake of argument say that falsely yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater is a crime because the potential for injury is so great. Still, when we enter the theater, they don’t remove our vocal chords just to make sure.
Certainly, the manner, place and time of discharge of guns can be “regulated.” For example, it’s considered bad form to shoot someone because I don’t like the scent of their aftershave. But denying me the ownership of guns? I rather that the government would just remove my vocals chords, and also strip itself of all pretense of being of, by and for the people.
amen
And Ralph wins the internets ONCE AGAIN.
There are many gun forums that ban people at the mere mention if open carry…why not blog about those forums? Lol
Name them and shame them.
I can think of one off the top of my head–but then again it is devoted to concealed carry, so it makes sense.
The lifeguards are Lake Comeoniwannalaya take their job very seriously, just don’t turn your back on them…
“I got your banana clip right here . . .”
Blanks can be lethal by themselves; that’s how Brandon Lee died. Blanks still have live primers and powder; even without an actual bullet in the chamber, the expanding gases are enough to cause injury by itself. Worse, any tiny bits of lead or brass in the chamber/barrel (and there are always tiny bits of lead and brass in the barrel, no matter how well you clean it) will be ejected at speeds high enough to maim or even kill someone at close range.
In other words, what a couple of dumbasses.
Brandon Lee died because they made their own dummy rounds by pulling the bullets but left the primer(s) in. The primer had enough energy to push the bullet into the barrel. Then they sent the firearms guy home and kept shooting (film that is), loaded the revolver with blanks and he was shot with what was essentially a full power .44 magnum load. I believe the word Matt in FL used was fustercluck.
There’s only two men who know what really happened, and one of them is dead. While I won’t discount the possibility of two people being idiots and shooting blanks at one another, I’m curious of the physical evidence backs that claim.
James Yeager, Dirk, and Shannon’s (TM) weekend on the river.
Well, they’re kinda onto something about The Blaze, but it’s really the headline writers who kill any potential credibility.
15,000 comment karma, really? I know I’m a lazy redditor but damn.
Sick of being told that mixing alcohol and firearms was absolutely the stupidest thing they could do, Frank and Bill decided to prove just how wrong their wives were.
I couldn’t care less about the OFWG thing, what I want is simple. Will someone, anyone, for the love of god, PLEASE tell me what the trigger reset on the LH9 is like? It’s advertised as having a “short reset trigger”. Are we talking short reset like a Sig SRT? Or are we talking something more along the lines of a stock CZ 75b / Sig 226? The trigger reset is the only thing keeping me from placing an order with Lionheart Ind.. Any advice or experience would be appreciated.
The same elected officials that push gun bans (Feinstein Schumer Durbin) are also proposing legislation that defines who is a journalist. If it became law, that would empower government to intimidate and silence citizen journalism. It would also give government the means to shut down opposition websites.
To say nothing of the fact that DiFi (who sits on the senate intelligence committee) has proposed “amendments” to the national security act that, rather than reforming or limiting the power of the NSA, in many ways legalize the practices that have brought them into such controversy and disrepute. She is becoming alarmingly tyrannical in her doterage.
Barack Obamas Real Secret Service Men!!
The Zardoz twins were the actual inspiration for one of Sean Connery’s less successful movie roles.
So in this post, we grumble about antis lack of respect for the 1st Amendment by stifling opposing opinions. A few posts down, we laugh at G&A’s former editor for making the exact same argument.
Either the 1A only applies to gov action and you can’t complain when private publications don’t like your speech, or it’s an underlying principle of what it means to be an American and should be respected regardless of the fact it can’t be legally enforced against private persons.
Pick one. I promise I won’t bite your head off whether I agree with you or not. 🙂
We don’t criticize Metcalf’s 1st Amendment views. We revile him for ignoring contemporary 2nd Amendment jurisprudence, and wonder at his inclination to bite the hand that feeds his vocation. We don’t malign anti-gun blogs and left-wing blogs for excluding other views from the comments, but rather for pretending that they do otherwise. We do not wonder what the November outcome of Jarrett’s weekly White House anti-gun round-table will lead to, but rather expect it to be more of the same, planned on the same taxpayer dimes that could as well be wasted in other ways. She can’t fix Chicago. She can’t fix the dilapidation of Chicago housing projects, though she’s taken much pay to ‘manage’ them. And yet she has time to tell, but only indirectly, the rest of America how to live, and to direct her willing minions to work their magic on the web. She has no better love of the Constitution than Metcalf. They should both post here if they have a view. We don’t need the indirection and subterfuge of the Sunstein apostles. Direct speech would be more credible.
He has a right to say whatever he wants.
He doesn’t have a “right” to get paid to say whatever he wants.
Promo shot for: “Brokeback 911”
I hate to see it from either side of any debate, but both sides are guilty of this behavior in some form or fashion, and in varying degrees.
The difference is that it happens a lot less on the pro-rights side than the anti-rights side. A lot less. Like, a whole helluva lot less, actually.
Even so, I still like to think that even those agit-prop progenitors represent only a relative minority of the other side, albeit a comparatively much larger percentage than is found in our camp. In my experience, a lot of gun control advocates are such out of ignorance. Ignorance is curable, though, through education. So, it’s not the end of the world for either party.
But the vehement willful ignorance comes from the die-hard disarmament lobby that, while still a lunatic fringe, still has more resources in time and money and people and even political influence than we do. (What’s funny is that even with all of that going for them, and they’re not afraid to climb onto the corpses of their victims to use it, it’s usually only in areas that they’ve already entrenched themselves that they are able to make any headway. Usually.) That is the particular segment of the anti’s that I reserve my harshest words and plainest observations for.
I’ve also experienced their willingness (or should I say complete and total lack thereof) to have an “open and honest discussion” first-hand on Facebook and YouTube. You’re right. Even amongst their own members, few and far between though they are, they instantly get the boot with even so much as a “bon voyage” for slipping even so much as a hair out of line with their Dear Leaders. It’s literally a cult mentally with these people in particular, and they don’t care where the dissent came from. Their little “bubbles” in cyberspace are their personal castle keep, and they will not tolerate any challenges to their absolute authority; from without or without. Like any dictator, like any Fuehrer, for them every night of “The Night of The Long Knives”.
Ironically, they like to call us closed-minded and malign us for being narrow-focused. Not to mention all the name-calling they do that they inevitably blame on us, and what-not. Oh, and those cute little death threats that they know they’ll never fulfill (nor could they ever afford anybody good enough to do so, or afford to hire enough of them for that matter even if they could find them). One need only look to our own agit-prop trope namers, like MikeB, to see hypocrisy incarnate.
Oh my god. PLEASE. All it takes is a mention of his name, and he returns from the dead. Can you refrain in the future?
Waco II?
Dick Gozinya and Buster Hymen star in Quentin Tarantino’s prequel to ‘Pulp Fiction’ titled ‘The Truth About Guns’.
IMO, you have no “duty to retreat” ever. If you are minding your own business as a citizen and some punk confronts you and is threatening you with serious bodily injury and/or death, you have every right in the world to blow the SOB’s head off. The person with a duty is the aggressor. They have a duty to not threaten you in the first place.
Their sons would one day band together into the legend known as Carnik Con.
Get the 700 scope mounts only the back ones fit very nicely. The weaver brand. Call rem back they have them just tell them you need the two back mounts. yes the 783 is not nice to look at so if you want looks get something else. The rifle surprised me at how accurate it was. I own a lot of different rifles even the American which shoots great also. The 783 did maintain a tighter group then the American did. It was meant to be a low cost accurate rifle. smooth bolt action. good job Remington. I did not like the 770 very much as it would not hold a accurate shot group. of course the 700 is better looking but the 783 gives it a run on accuracy. please lets stop bad mouthing rifles and just give opinions of “if you have shot it not heard or saw it”.
Psychological projection – the fuel that keeps the anti-gunners going.
100% unadulterated truth. These people have REALLY violent fantasies. They DANGEROUS when combined with power. cf: Cass Sunnstein.
Policemen’s calendar photo shoot – July 1984
Wake up folks.I’m 60 y/o and have seen a definite trend toward socialism/communism in this country for several decades.Cetertain elements have been laying the groundwork for a “Takeover” of the republic since the 50’s.Lenin him self said that to conguer the United States you needed to do it from within.You need to infiltrate the legal/political and most importantly the educational systems of our country.The A.C.L.U. was founded,in the 30’s,by lawyers who were members of the American communist party.This was before we rally understood the danger of communism.We have former terrorists,like Bill ayres,teaching in our universities.I remember getting intelligence updates on his group,the Weathermen,when I was in the Army.They advocated a “Violent overthrow”of the government.And he is a friend of Obama.The left-wing has been preparing for this day for decades,chipping away at our constitution under the guise of “Political correctness/tolerance/crime control etc”.They finally have us to a point where we are on the fence,and they brought in Obama to “Close the Deal”. Obama has shown a great deal of contempt for our heritage/laws/constitution/congress etc.This man is drunk with power and is NOT going to leave the White House willingly.I predict he will impose Martial Law,whether it is justified or not,priorto the 2014 mid-term elections.He does not want to risk losing the senate.If he imposes Martial Law,he will stop free elections/dismiss congress/recess the supreme court/seize private weapons and property without a warrant,and cancel the constitution.When you’ve lost your freedoms and realize he is not “Saint Obama”you’ll have only two choices..blood in the streets or chains on your throat.I personally will die trying to prevent my granddaughter from growing up as a slave to socialism.What ever choice you make I wish you well.But as for me,I prefer to die with a gun in one hand and a bible in the other(Liberals hate that book too),than live on my knees.In closing let me remind you of the plight of Ernst Rohm.Ernst was the loyal leader of the SA(stormtroopers)who were instrumental in putting Hitler in power.But in true tyrannical form,when Hitler no longer needed him he had Ernst arrested and executed.A true tyrant sees the people as nothing more than tools to serve him.And Barack and Michelle “Antionette” definitely want to be served.
GOD BLESS AMERICA…Wherever she is.
Alabama 5.0
Even if I were to accept the premise that “some regulations” are lawful and necessary (and I don’t) you are still voluntarily taking the first step on the slippery slope. We will never be “sufficiently regulated” until the only people who can own weapons also happen to be agents of Government.
In case anyone tries to argue the contrary, the slippery slope is the liberal way of life.
The homosexual agenda went from “We just want the Government out of our bedroom” to “If you don’t allow me to dress in drag at work you’re infringing on my rights! Any opinion that says otherwise is hate speech!” No matter which side of the argument you’re on, the point remains that it became increasingly radical as concessions were made.
It doesn’t really matter what the left is talking about – the answer is ALWAYS to move further left. Doing it increments just makes it easier to vilify anyone who disagrees. If we allow them to disarm us, we’re simply hastening the day when they say that anyone who doesn’t agree with their beloved leader is clearly suffering from sluggish schizophrenia.
Ya’ll should read Metcalf’s “apology”. He really is pro gun control.
Lets get out STs ol’ Reality Checkbook again.
Felons comitted to a criminal lifestyle dont give a frak about gun laws.Felons genuinely interested in becoming members of society are forever barred their civil rights, which only serves as more motivation to go back to a life of crime.If a felon is a deadly threat to society, why are they loose on the streets?
So yes , released criminals should enjoy their gun rights.Goodness knows the law won’t stop them anyways, if Chicago’s stats are an indication.
Point two:any discussion on regulations is a pathway to prohibition.Like it or not,Obama will not be the last gun grabber to run the Executive Branch.Nor is he the only one in America with that mandate.There is a committed section of politicians in this country who strictly regulate guns in their home districts, and will stop at nothing to make sure their Enlightened Gun Laws (tm.) are applied to every state in the Union.That, in fact is the stated goal of our opposition , since states rights are secondary to the concept of “national gun regulation”.
The only way to halt that kind of incrementalism is to check it at the jump.This isn’t about reasonable regulation or stopping bad guys from getting guns.This is about keeping the needle in the middle at worst, or far on the side of “uninfringed”.The other side of the scale is “Total Infringement”.
You mean they work for two legged AND four legged animals?!
Dan Zimmerman & friend
Badges?! We don’t need no stinking badges!
What Metcalf and Guns.com fail to realize is that there is a time and a place for everything. They especially couldn’t have picked a worse time for this. Not that I don’t disagree with better firearm safety education but I know what the antis are really after and I know where this will lead us down the road. Believe me there is a lot of “common sense” gun laws I WOULD support but again I know how the antis will use it against RKBA inch by inch till they have technically stripped away the 2A and shooting sports. Believe me they will not just stop with “training”.
Now I don’t care for a lot of the extremists or hard liners on our side either (LaPierre and Nugent) but part of the reason they exist is some of us have our head in the clouds regarding the on going RKBA infringements. As it turns out they do most of the heavy lifting and are why we still have a 2A. I would almost hope serious anti-gun legislation gets passed so some of you ostrich gun owners would see what we’ve been saying all along. I’m kidding ofc but maybe that’s the wake up call some of you need.
Illustrated guide to gun control. We keep giving, they keep taking….where does it end.
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If martial law is declared, I was assume my Government knows best, and has my best interests at heart. I would trust them implicitly and scrupulously obey all instructions conveyed by APC loudspeaker. The very thought of owning, possessing or holding a weapon would make me quake in my boots. I would go into the razorwire compound with a song in my heart and a spring in my step. Three cheers for the Government!
I can hear it already… “Even Guns.com, a prominent website for gun advocacy, believes that (additional) regulations are absolutely constitutional…. and we here at (HuffPo, MAIG, etc) believe with these recent incidents that now is the time to enact these additional regulations! So what is stopping this from going forward? The hardcore Gun-lobby and extremist NRA who are protecting the gun manufacturers”
..yadda yadda yadda.
Great job, Guns.com. What’s next? Maybe some pics with yourselves posing behind an NVA AA gun?
The reality is that your little theoretical discussion about regulations – basically supporting Metcalf’s ‘proposal’ for new a ‘mandatory training’ regulation – will be used against us. And if you were paying attention AT ALL, you would know by now that anyone who would TRUST the rabid, frothing anti-gun crowd enough to make any deal with them, give them ANY NEW MECHANISM by which they can further infringe on our RKBA, is a naive FOOL, as it would soon be augmented and twisted and manipulated used as their new tool to restrict gun ownership to the point of practical disarmament.
I just leave my Mossberg tactical out in the field and it kills the deer (and moose, bears, small children, etc) all by itself.
Twit. Even if somebody DOESN’T make a mistake, people still die.
“O. K. Starsky, you distract them while I hide the evidence so no one will ever know we drank Budweisers!
You can sign a petition encouraging him to resign here.
http://www.change.org/petitions/barry-greenfield-resign-from-office-immediately-or-apologize-and-follow-the-constitution
This is what happens when you hold congress with the beast and summon his infernal majesty in the basement without proper precautions. She was probably sacrificing a copy of Rush Limbaugh’s latest book to conjure another draft of an AWB.
Who would in a million years allow this to happen?
“So I am just going to hand you this 300 to 3000 dollar piece of steel, and if a background check happens to come up denied or delayed, you get to keep it. No problem!”
Here is the problem!
These Youngsters are using the platform for Tougher gun Laws and Banning Assault Weapons!The Horrific Crimes that happen because of these weapons are not the Problem! This is the ending result of the Problem!
It is like a stick of Dynamite! The fuse is lit and it explodes when it reaches a point; the Dynamite! The Youth need to address that it is “BULLYING” each other in the schools that lead to these disasters! Be it the victim of a Bully or a Bully themselves! The victim of Bullying feels that no one will help them! No laws are being enforced on this! So either they take their own Life or the lives of those who are bullied by them along with those who thought it is funny!
As for the Bully, They are caught and thrown out of the school and have nothing to look forward to and they sit and brew on this until they explode and take revenge on that school!
So what needs to be done is to address the Beginning of the problem! Stop the wick from ever being lit! Make and enforce Very Tough Laws on “BULLYING” in the schools This way All of these Youths are safe! Those accused of Bullying don’t just throw them out without Having them Examined and Evaluated by Professional Behavior Counselors to see if this person is going to blow up later!
Assault Weapons have been around Too Long! You cannot just get rid of them! All that will happen is a New Black Market for Assault Weapons will be Created! So leave this subject Alone! Leave alone trying to ban High Capacity Magazines as well! YES! I Agree on Banning “Bump Stocks! That is NOT a Necessity!
The Problem Starts with these Students in the Schools! Not with Guns! Put this wasted energy on doing something about these Bullies!
This is the Root of all of these Problems!