“Officer William Moe, the first officer on the scene, said in police reports he ordered Deffert to the ground at gunpoint over Deffert’s behavior,” mlive.com reports. “’Deffert was alone, and was loudly talking to himself,’ Moe wrote. ‘Based on the area, and Deffert’s unusual behavior, R/O (responding officer) was concerned Deffert may have mental issues and was about to commit a violent crime.’ Deffert did not have psychological issues. Nor did he have a criminal record. Police eventually said everything was OK. The man told police he was ‘open carrying.’ Moe released him. Deffert said police violated his constitutional rights, assaulted him and falsely imprisoned him.” A judge will make that call, eventually. Meanwhile, regarding the 911 operator’s response to the call, fair enough?
Police: “Ooooo yes massa”
Even if the hunt does go forward (a big if), who wants to bet that
the “deer fanciers” would rather the carcasses rot rather than
allow the venison to go to food pantries.
Missed a few weeks of TTAG and just learning this – funny how the media failed to mention this in their wall to wall coverage!
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Keep the reportage up, and if it makes some people mad…GOOD. Every election, I see anti-2A, anti-freedom democrats being elected and I look at the pathetic voter turnout. I wonder what will it take to get the freedom-loving, pro-2A majority to the fricking polls? What does it take to light a fire under their butts to go vote? If reporting on the nefarious activities of MD(hot)A/MA(all)G gets people pissed enough to actually vote, then I’m all for it. Stay the course.
so how do you responsibly secure your long arms in the vehicle?
Ask I_Like_Pie (above).
Grand Rapids Mayor Heartwell is a gun-hater who insisted on enforcing a town ordinance against open carry even though the state has preempted the field. The Grand Rapids PD already settled one case involving the harassment of a legal OCer and they’ll end up paying this guy too.
Michigan Open Carry is doing great work for all proponents of 2A.
New Yorker’s never learn. They had the same problem in 2007 in the Rome area of up state. They had game wardens from around the state there to cull the herd. There is an easy solution allow hunters to hunt. Making it impossible to get a gun and expensive hunting licence is not the way to get hunters to manage the herds. But then again what do I know.
It would be interesting to see what sales for long guns are in 2014 vs 2012 before the long gun registration law was proposed.
Personally I dont care on a practical level as I have all I need in my safe now. But I have to say I do not trust Our Dear Leader nod His Most Attractive State AG Kamala Harris to respect the privacy of that information. Nof after F&F, Benghazi, IRS, NSA, and ACA scandal andthe many repeated lies told by this Admin and the States complicity in the
Can’t believe I’m the first one to mention this… but it’s fairly obvious looking at this model that Kel-Tec copied the 1970’s Soviet Bullpup prototype, the Shevchenko Smerch. Here’s an article on the rifle. http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Shevchenko_Smerch
Fairly hard to find any info on this gun, but it’s more or less a dead ringer for the “new” M43.
Look at the mag position, the SS uses a different action making it shorter. The Kel-Tec might have copied it’s aesthetics but not the mechanism.
PS: to all saying its ugly; looks aren’t important. And no I am no Kel-Tec fan.
I love this bit: “City Attorney Catherine Mish says the police response was “very reasonable” with Deffert, alone, talking loudly outside of a church service.”
It’s always near something sketchy-sounding. “Outside a Starbucks”, or “near a strip mall” or whatever.
People routinely carrying will be near some place full of people doing something else because those are the places people go. It’s not inherently suspicious.
Except for bowling alleys. Anybody carrying within a mile of one of those is clearly up to no good.
Even here in gun friendly Ohio if the state had it’s way we’d be over run with deer in the southern counties. Narrow valleys and dense brush make them difficult to hunt and most shots are taken inside 50 yards. Of course that is at least partially due to a ban on using rifles to take deer in Ohio. However, in the lower 7 counties poaching is a time honored way of life and the annual harvest by ‘foul’ means must easily be 3-4 times the legal take. It’s a rare Appalachian-Ohioan who doesn’t know several families who both never go without a deer or two in the freezer and have never had a deer tag.
If it weren’t for starvation it would be interesting to see how the rules would change here if poaching were stopped and the population allowed to get really out of hand (it’s a bit out of hand now).
The worst part is that when a deer is shot it is the states deer, and if you lacked proper technique, timing, equipment and licenses you’ve broken the law, but when you hit that deer on the road it’s gods deer and the state isn’t responsible for damages.
I count among my blessings that I was born and live in a place sufficiently remote and thinly enough populated, and so composed of hills, forests and brush that we can still do things as they make sense, undetected, rather than under surveillance and as directed by the overlords.
How do you “register” something that has no serial number, like a magazine?
As an aging and somewhat out of touch old fart, I guess I’m just behind the times linguistically. I thought metric referred to millimeters and centimeters as in the metric system. These days, it seems to be the new “in” word to describe something else entirely. its like when so many people started using “replicate” instead of “duplicate”. But I blamed that one on the Star Trek “replicator”.
Where are all the civil rights people when a cop uses fear of mental illness as an excuse to attack?
One thing that came up after the push for mental health reform this past year was how everyone’s hands are tied because we can’t rick violating the rights of mentally ill people and all these experts came out saying we’re all mentally ill on some level and mental illness is not an indicator of violent or criminal behavior.
But cops can profile the “mentally ill” as criminal and or violent and the ACLU and other civil rights groups don’t bang down the PD door shouting “monster!” and “bigot!”
Oh, he had a holstered gun. That trumps everything I guess.
First, I’m surprised that Obamacare doesn’t cover contraceptives for deer. It seems to for everyone else.
Second, for criminals, a disarmed suburbia is a 24 hour candy store.
Finally, firearms can actually solve very few problems. However, for those that they can solve, they do tend to solve them better than most other options can.
Dash cam will end the speculation and start the check-writing.
Seems to work well.
: )
I have had little contact with officers,but when it happens I know Sir and Miss will get me further than yelling about my rights. Smile,tolerate,then sue.
There might be an increase in open carry just so people can cash in when police are called on them.
I would like to see pics of their patrol cars.
The only Mossberg I own is a 60 year old, bolt action, .22 WMR. It’s taken it’s fair share of varmints and squirrels. My only shot gun is a 30 year old 870 Express. I’ve shot everything from skeet to deer with it.
I like the Robertsons. DD is one of the few shows I can watch with my kids. I admire a guy who can turn a homemade duck call into a multimillion dollar company and still live in the swamp and hunt every day.
Having said that… I don’t like cammo guns, I have all the .22’s I need and I can’t get ammo for those, and I have the only shotgun I need.
You want to know the real reason cops have NDs? It’s two things, really.
First, departments hire guys who don’t love guns. We’re all here on this site because guns are at the very least a cherished hobby, or more likely for those who post comments, a way of life. We actually take the time to train, maintain our equipment, and pay attention. Sometimes, we still screw up, but it’s far less often than it could be.
You hire a bunch of people who want to do stuff besides shooting, and you get a bunch of people who don’t take the time to train, maintain their equipment, or pay attention. Now, from the point of view of the POTG, who understand that defending yourself and your loved ones has nothing to do with a uniform, this is ridiculous- but most officers will go their whole career without getting into a gunfight, so if they weren’t already one of us, handing them a gun won’t cause some kind of divine revelation.
Second, and especially bad for non-gun people, you do the same routine every day for a few years (without caring that much, see the first point), you get complacent. In the Army, you’re supposed to do a detailed check of your vehicle every day before using it, and another check afterwards. There are multiple pages in the technical manual for each vehicle that show exactly what to check.
Nobody that I’ve ever met did this according to the manual. Certainly, nobody I’ve ever met does even an abbreviated version daily with their personal cars. This is because we’re complacent, and we don’t care that much. Why should we? The chances it will cost us our lives are close to zero. Now, any decent racing driver or pilot would do a detailed check of their vehicle before a race or a flight. This is because they care, just like we care with our guns, and they understand it could cost lives if they do it wrong.
Not defending the guys in the story, by any means. I think departments should hire gun people whenever possible. If they did, we might not see this kind of thing as often as we do.
I read over an article about this case, sounds like we have a month before we know what is going to happen with this case. http://zamzowlaw.com/articles/grand-rapids-open-carry-lawsuit-case-evaluation/