Georgia Rockdale County Shooting 3 dead
Courtesy WSB TV
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Rockdale County, Georgia is southeast of Atlanta. That was the location of an attempted home invasion or robbery early Monday morning.

Three masked yoots, two 15-year-olds and a 16-year-old, at least one of them armed, approached a home and were confronted by the owner on the front lawn. The homeowner was also armed. It didn’t go well for the would-be robbers.


The shooting happened around 4 a.m. at a house off White Oak Court in Conyers. One of the boys died at the scene. The other two later died at the hospital.

Investigators said one of the teens pulled out a gun and fired at the neighbors before the homeowner returned fire.

The homeowner apparently had more firepower at his disposal than the attackers.

“It was five shots and then it sounded like a handgun. Then I heard somebody have an assault rifle. And it was a slew of shots that came out,” neighbor Carlos Watson said.

Deputies say they still don’t know who owned the two guns they found.

Investigators say three people were at the home, including a woman, when the shooting happened.

The homeowner who shot the masked intruder is a man. Neighbors say he’s a truck driver who owns a semi-automatic rifle and is highly protective of his mother.

No one has been charged yet. Investigators may be trying to determine why the homeowner was awake at 4:00am and prepared to intercept the three outside his home. Here’s a statement from Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett:

Neighbors interviewed in the report above didn’t seem to sympathize with a homeowner defending himself against three attackers.


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  1. Can’t wait to see them in their graduation outfits! Always my favorite thug pic. Then they scroll through social media and see the real deal! Good for this guy. Bus A Cap!

    • They where sophomores or maybe juniors in high school. So no grad pics even possible.

      I mean this seams pretty cut and dry , three masked men with guns didn’t stop by the house at 4 am to sell the dude Girl Scout cookies. Even if the HO shot first he was likely justified.

      Unless they can show he planted the guns and masks , the self defense is likely going to stick.

      I think the cops are being prudent in not speculating before they even ID the dead crooks however.

      • The possible fly in the ointment is that the yuts were there by ore-arrangement with the home owner for some illicit drug deal; they couldn’t come to terms and the homeowner won.

        I think that is what the news report is hinting at, but of course they don’t dare speculate openly. But … I mean … why else would a homeowner be up and about at 4am? Come on, work with me here.

        • Maybe he works nights.
          Maybe he works for a crooked IT company that coerces employees to work hours of unwaged overtime.

          Been there, done that.

        • NEWSFLASH! MANY people who work for a living are up at 4AM! Including Truck Drivers. Or, maybe he was just up taking a leak and heard something. Or, maybe he had recently returned from work. Bottom line, HE should NOT HAVE to explain anything. HIS home. HIS property. The others did NOT belong THERE.

        • as a person that wakes up every day at 3:30 to get ready for work why is this even a question? really stupid comments

        • Not unreasonable at all for someone working 1st shift to be up by 4. Truckers have to take 10hrs off after their ‘shift’ (DOT rules are a bit more complicated than that but we’ll simplify) so if he got home at 6pm the previous day he could be ready to hit the road by 4.

        • Sorry for not writing my devil’s advocate piece more clearly.

          Sometimes it pays to wonder what the enemy is thinking.

        • You KNOW someone’s lived a Cush life when they say shit like “who’s up at 4am”? “Who gets up for work that early?” Must be nice you fuckwits. Try working a real mans job you sissy pants liberals.

        • Truck driver? Drivers keep weird hours. They deliver your Mickey D buns long before you climb out of bed in the morning. The clock on my computer says 19:32:50 right this second. I’m gearing myself up to pull my boots on, to go to work. I’ll return home about 08:30 tomorrow. On my off days, I’m up all night long. I’m one of those people who would greet a burglar with a weapon in my hands at 04:00.

        • Just check out the restaurants around bus stations and freight terminals at 5AM that are filled with people who regularly get up at 4AM to go to work. Scheech.

      • Possibly 8th grade “graduation” ceremony. “They keep inventing new ways to celebrate mediocrity!”

    • To the top of comments… JoeWay.

      Graduation Pictures, garbage in a coffin, all dressed up in finest rags, ready for the land fill.

    • Speaking of carrying and the right thereof:

      Happy Constitution Day, everyone! This is the day we get to remind those around us of the very document that outlines our rights and tells the Fed Gov to honor them.

      (note that I said “outlines”, not “grants us”)

      • Thank you for the reminder, Haz!
        “Grants”…an important distinction.

        If only the people operating our government respected the constitution. Instead we get:

        “If it is illegal, we do it right away. If it is unconstitutional, it takes a little longer”.
        Henry Kissinger (attributed).

        • “HAPPY RED FLAG LAW /Extreme Risk Protection Order Day!” (Re: Constitutional Infringements anniversary) Maybe the Sheriffs in this article will file one in favor of the three dead teenagers (YOOTS)…Sure Po-PO sounds like THEY do….For the Children!
          Sure sounds like Law Enforcement from Massachusetts…

  2. My sisters lived in Conyers at one time. It was a quiet little town that was right off the interstate. A lot of folks lived there and worked in Atlanta.

    I had some good times in the Lake Jackson area and considered retiring there for a while.

    What happened in Conyers is just further proof, as if we needed it, that there really is no such thing as a safe place. Always have a plan and tools for an emergency.

  3. Read about this one overnight and watched videos this morning. It is tragic, three 15 to 16 year old teens dead, that’s a horror.

    But what is a homeowner to do? Confronted at his home in the dark by three masked assailants with a gun? There is no choice here, and no way to know the attackers were children, not that it would change the equation. Masked attackers assault your home at night, you shoot them if you can and hope you and your family survive it.

    Hell yes that homeowner and his wife were in fear for their lives. You would have to be very stupid or mentally challenged not to be.

    • Good post, enuf, and appropriately mature. I appreciate that you didn’t spew the “well, that’s three less thugs we have to worry about, haha” nonsense we sometimes see from commenters. The loss of human life through violent action is always a horror, and especially so when those killed are so young.

      But you are also correct that this appears to be a justified act in which the homeowner(s) were in fear for their lives. Imagine the mixed feelings they must be going through right now, knowing that they exercised their right to defend themselves and their property from attackers, but also that three young lives are now gone as a result. Can’t be easy to process.

      If I never have to open fire on anyone in my life, it will be a good life.

      • “Imagine the mixed feelings they must be going through right now, knowing that they exercised their right to defend themselves and their property from attackers, but also that three young lives are now gone as a result.”

        Did you hear what some of the neighbors, who were *related* to the robbers, had to say?

        “He didn’t have to do that!”

        WTF? He’s gonna have to live looking over his shoulder for as long as he continues to live there…

        • Yeah, I caught that at the end of the article. This is *exactly* why I attempt to be on good terms with all my neighbors, and offer to look after their yards when they’re away on vacation, or trim one of their trees, or help with a repair, etc. If they see me as one of the good guys, they’d be less likely to question my motive if I ever find myself in a home defense event.

          • “If they see me as one of the good guys…”

            Can you be certain that if you are required to display your firearm, the neighbors will keep you in the “good guy” column? Many people would be glad to have someone “watch” their house, and call police. But, bring out the gun, and the world turns.

        • This is where faith, ministers, peacemakers should be stepping in. You can be certain lawyers will be stepping in.

          The family that defended itself, the families of those who died are all experiencing tragedy and trauma. Community and faith leaders are needed to facilitate healing bring people together.

        • “This is where faith, ministers, peacemakers should be stepping in. You can be certain lawyers will be stepping in.”

          I hope that cooler heads can prevail…

        • Every room has to have its 5-yr-old who knows nothing about the real world and doesn’t get the privilege of eating at the adult dining table. Thanks for outing yourself so quickly.

        • No, that’s not it. Three children at the edge of adulthood tried crime and died for it. That is a terrible awful tragedy.

          Good news the homeowner survived. Bad news that stupid kids got themselves killed.

          I feel for their families and the pain they must be in.

          And for the homeowner who only did what he had to do and must now be dealing with some very tough stuff.

          • “…terrible awful tragedy.” ?!?!

            Personal responsibility starts early on. Children raised in the concept typically don’t exhibit the behaviors shown in the article. These young men made bad choices and paid dearly for their poor choice. They chose to engage in anti-social acts and the neighbors, media, etc are aghast at the results.

            I hold the adult(s) in their lives mostly responsible.

            The one I feel for is the homeowner who was assaulted on his property, responded within the Law and is now receiving flak from a horde of armchair amateur QB’s with no knowledge of the pertinent facts in this case.

            Let the posturing and bravado continue…

        • The tragedy is that these teenagers’ parents didn’t do a better job of raising them.

          A group, masks, weapons, strikes me that they were well-prepared and had put some thought into what they were doing. This was not a moment of weakness in the face of temptation.

          Anyone want to bet on if this was their first time?

        • I can understand a question about why he was up and ready at 4 AM, but I can also understand if the answer was “That’s when they showed up the past 3 times.” or something similar. If he was prepared, the cops should have complaints on the subject, perhaps there is video. Byt if 3 masked and armed yoots showed up, it is just that simple, and if I’m on the jury it will remain just that simple.

      • Sorry, but I fail to see the horror here. If they were doing armed home invasion at 16, the horror is imagining what they would be doing at 19 or 21.

        • Easy to say from a keyboard. Not so easy when you’re the one looking at a 15-yr-old and pulling the trigger, even if justified. I’m not at all saying the homeowners weren’t correct to do what they did. I would likely have done the same. I just saying that it’s so easy to type in the words “well, three idiots gone” without thinking about the full story. Would’ve been a lot easier (emotionally) for the homeowners to cope if the perps were 35-yr-old thugs with long criminal histories, but 15 and dumb? That would have me very somber afterward. Maybe you’re comfortable with the thought of snuffing out three young lives, but I sure wouldn’t be.

          • Some of us have seen a hell of a lot worse and yet still feel the same way, good guys 3 bad guys 0. There is a flip side on how to look at this, stop feeling sorry for knucklehead scum. If they wasn’t being knuckleheads they would still be alive. Mommy and Daddy should have raised them better or kept them locked in the basement playing video games. “Oh the horror, oh the outcry!” Wahboofuckemhoo! People aren’t required to forfeit property or life because of entitled scum, atleast not yet. I feel nothing for the dead except that they will no longer be able to be a threat to anyone else. For that I’m glad.

        • @Jim,

          Your use of the word “imagine” shows that we simply don’t know these now-dead young men, and too many people here are playing self-appointed Nostradamus.

          @No One Special,

          I’m usually on the fence with your comments, agreeing with some but not with others. But with your words above, my respect for you just fell a big notch. POTG are supposed to be mature and responsible – at least, that’s what we all hope Leftists would perceive us as – yet you are showing that you’re neither.

          • Maybe this is another good example of what rights really are? You don’t agree with what I said, which your right. I still have the right to say it. I don’t agree with what you said, which is my right. Yet you still have the right to say it. If you say anything anywhere to be agreed with all the time that tells me one of two things. One you don’t say much or two you are really good at pandering to the masses. I personally don’t care if I’m agreed with or not. I have my own experiences for why and how I look at things. As do you. Clearly our experiences are not the same. That’s ok everyone is different. How immature and irresponsible can I be if I’m at home taking care of my family living my life in such a way that impacts other’s lives as little as possible? I’m not going out masked with a gun with clear intent on do harm to others. I won’t apologize for not having a bleeding heart liberal view on this. Instead I’ll call it what it is. Criminals or would be criminals regardless of age wouldn’t have to worry about losing their lives if they weren’t criminals, plain and simple.

        • Jim from LI,

          Well, sure, we all want the bad guys to experience the consequences of their decisions, AND, I would have pulled the trigger also, BUT…

          When we kill, we should feel pain. It is natural, normal, healthy. We should feel remorse; I do NOT mean regret. It was self-defense. No regrets. Remorse that such an action was necessary. Anger, absolutely! Maybe even rage. But being cold makes us closed to our own emotions and those of the people around us.

          We cannot heal when cold; we cannot heal others when cold.

          I can be fierce; I’ve been told I can be very scary. I’ve never lost a fist-fight (although the last one was more than 35 years ago while I was training in the clergy!) Compassion is not weakness.

          I watched Palestinian women dancing when the World Trade Centers came down. I thought, I do not want to be like them. (That statement is about me; NOT about you).

          Please, accept my apology if this seems too preachy or is in any way offensive.

        • No One Special: Hard to see how anyone could disagree with the above. Growing up on a working ranch in NE Montana, even as kid, when it was chicken for dinner I got handed the hatchet. I learned early that death is a normal part of life, but the bleeding hearts simply don’t understand that. In their unicorn dream world everything lives forever. No wonder the real world shocks them so.
          Personally, I do without the “boo-de-fuckin-hoo”, but no matter how it gets worded, predators know they take a risk when attacking others. Even the lion knows he might get that antelope’s horn right through the chest instead of for dinner. I don’t view such things as tragedies, but just as life.
          If three predators attack me on my own property, they died of their own errors, not because of me. If I did the same to them at their home, I would expect no different. I treat them as I would want to be treated. If I turned mad dog I would WANT to be put down.

        • Lifesaver:
          But regret and remorse are both words tied to guilt. And one should never feel guilt (even though many do…) for doing the proper thing.
          Perhaps you meant more like “sorrow” or “sadness”? That I can understand. I felt sorry for the chicken when I chopped its head off (see my post above). But I also wanted dinner. Sadness and sorrow, yes. But I never felt guilty.
          Everything lives off of everything else. Us too. After we pass, we’re food for the worms and/or buzzards. Even if we stupidly insist on treating our bodies with chemicals to keep that from happening, we still decay and become fertilizer for the plants. Its just the circle of life.
          Much mischief comes from feeling guilt over it. To feel guilt over living off of other life is to feel guilt over one’s own existence. What a sorry state that must be. Little wonder that the SJWs are so insane…

        • Special and Voldamort,

          Both of you are running off on a tangent and attempting to champion it. Sort of like taking the football and running off the side into the locker room to claim you scored a goal. I get what you’re saying, Voldamort, but Special skewed off of the original point of this thread, so follow him into the locker room at your own discretion.

          If you’re both fine disregarding the sobriety of the situation and eager to dance over bodies, while proclaiming the other conservatives here who don’t wish to join in the dance as “liberal bleeding hearts”, even as they agree the use of force was justified and the young men got what they deserved, then there’s not much more that can be said. You’re showing yourselves as people who are disturbingly eager to “shoot to kill”, and not someone I’d want in my group, or around me in a bad situation.

          But you guys do what you want. Let us know how it goes when it’s your turn to face the Sheriff, DA, news media, lawyers, neighbors, etc. See how far your exuberance over dead youths gets you.

          • “You’re showing yourselves as people who are disturbingly eager to “shoot to kill”, and not someone I’d want in my group, or around me in a bad situation.”

            You’re assuming that I/we would have no reflection on what we were made to do. That we wouldn’t wish there was another way. That our own actions would bear no weight. Well to that end you are absolutely dead wrong. I already have demons that I wrestle with and sure as hell don’t want anymore. I feel horrible for the man that had to shoot these would be criminals. Especially because of the current state of affairs regarding people protecting themselves. However I still have no feeling for someone/anyone that goes out with the intention of harming others in any way. I absolutely have a live and let live attitude. We both go about our own lives as we see fit and should our paths cross may we encroach on each other as little as possible. If that isn’t clear or still doesn’t sit well with you than maybe you are right. There’s not much more to say.

        • Jim, I agree. I mean, these asswipes were shooting at his NEIGHBORS? I would put them down like rabid dogs.

        • LifeSavor(sorry about the previous misspelling):
          That’s all I was trying to say. That what must be done, must be done. Whether its ugly or beautiful, or fun/sad doesn’t enter into it.
          OFC, certain ones will always insist on taking that as “dancing over bodies”, but that’s their error, not mine. They’re entitled to their opinions, just as I’m entitled to my opinion of them, which I will not share.

        • “I Haz A Question”, Maybe you should look at the neighborhood, and the “neighbors” that are making stupid statements on the video, it definitely isn’t Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood, and the armed thugs were NOT well parented “white” kids! Guarantee this wasn’t the first crime these three young douchebags were involved in. Everyone who is whining that they this was a tragedy because they were so young needs to get their heads out of their backsides, age makes no difference when it comes to ARMED ROBBERY! We should be glad that there will be no more victims of these three CRIMINALS!

          • “We should be glad that there will be no more victims of these three CRIMINALS!”

            I can’t speak for others and therefore I won’t. I, that’s right I, am glad no one else will be terrorized by these criminals. I am also glad that the tax payers will not have to pay for a trial, house, clothe and feed these criminals as they rot in a cell somewhere.

        • There is no terrible traumatic horror here. At sixteen i never would have done this crime. I knew better. I wouldn’t lose one wink of sleep if I was forced to shoot someone in this circumstance.

      • Mentioning that we now three fewer thugs to worry about and adding “haha” may be trite and a tad cold, but it’s hardly “nonsense.” These three were monsters who by any remotely sensible standard of anticipation were within what would be a years long career of criminal violence.

        The tragedy here, if any, is the decision they made to forfeit their lives in the pursuit of ruining others’ lives. Nevertheless, that decision predates both this homeowner’s act of self-defense and their demise. Now that events have run their course, the foreseeable benefit here is a net subtraction of pain, suffering, and loss criminally inflicted by these thugs upon others for years to come.



        • I think I have to fall on the other side and agree with Haz. You (Jonathon) can’t admit it’s cold, then think it’s cool to add “haha” at the end of your comment. That just says you’re cold yourself, and rather immature.

          Were these kids dumb? Absolutely. Thugs? I think they were too young for that designation, but we didn’t know them when they were still alive, so perhaps yes. Three stains removed from society? Hmmm.

          I agree that – from the scant info this article provides – the homeowner’s actions were justified. But I think both enuf and Haz were saying the horror is in regards to how young the now-deceased were. And I agree with them.

        • Si. I can’t think of any more thuggish behavior than an armed home invasion. These kids were bolder and more dangerous than a lot of older, more experienced crooks.

          They earned their death. Whether some anonymous person on a blog mourns or celebrates is not important.

          • “Si. I can’t think of any more thuggish behavior.”

            People !, boys, girls and those who ain’t too sure…listen-up.

            “Thug”, and derivatives, is a racist slur. Read about it in all the papers. Term only applies to a single demographic. Can’t even say, “the T word”. The First Amendment only protects legitimate speech, and “thug” isn’t legitimate because….well…just because.

            Can’t we all just get along?

        • The term “thug” relates to behavior only, has zero to do with race. I assume you forgot the “sarc” tag.

          • “The term “thug” relates to behavior only, has zero to do with race.”

            I read it on the internet. The term is indicative of white supremacy. Even Congress things had said it. And they can’t lie because of their oath, right?

            “Normals” have to use the preferred vocabulary of the oppressed because the oppressed feel physically assaulted by words, even to the point of saying that offensive words violate their human rights.

            R I D I C U L E

        • Sam, “Thug” has no color, it is strictly demonstrated behavior and I refuse to allow anyone to hijack its definition.

          A thug is as a thug ‘does’. Nothing more, nothing less. Don’t like being referred to as a thug?

          Don’t act like one… 🙂

          • “Sam, “Thug” has no color, it is strictly demonstrated behavior and I refuse to allow anyone to hijack its definition.”

            Just reporting what I read. (That last word works either way in this sentence) How can gun owners gain acceptance of the “good people” if we continue to use words they don’t like? If we show them we are just like them, no different as people, we are sure to gain credibility and favor. Out niceing gun grabbers will lull them into unawareness, make them be less strident about guns. How can they oppose us if we are pleasant to work with? We jes been doin’ it all wrong. A gentle answer turneth away wrath….

            Doesn’t it?

            • “A gentle answer turneth away wrath….”

              I’m not disagreeing because your statement is true. However what do you call a duck if not a duck, or maybe pig rather than duck fits the conversation at hand a little more closely?

              • “However what do you call a duck if not a duck, or maybe pig rather than duck fits the conversation at hand a little more closely?”

                Well, you have a point there. Need to be more sensitive to how the PC crowd refers to particular animals in the future. The latest substitute wording* seems to be about as bad as it can get, so PC may never get around to euphemisms for animals.

                *Convicted felons can no longer be referred to as criminals, or felons, but as “justice-involved persons”.

              • “*Convicted felons can no longer be referred to as criminals, or felons, but as “justice-involved persons”.”

                Jeezlus, I may have heard it all now. The Justice department should most likely get rid of the term felon/felony all together than would be my surmise. What pandering classification for the purpose of crime committed do you think they might come up with to replace the already commonly known and atleast accepted in the past classification of felon? To me it stands to reason if the person that committed the crime can’t be call a felon than the crime committed can’t be called a felony. One hand washes the other as it were.

              • That first article is just completely off the chain, although the last part was mildly amusing in a tongue in cheek kind of way.

                The second article does have a mild point but that point can only be found in true rehabilitation. That requires first knowing that the action was a crime and by that nature was wrong. Next is serving the time and getting out and working hard to reintegrate into society.

                What’s that saying? One mistake can ruin a hundred that a boy’s.

              • The way my Drill Instructor explained it to me was..

                100 atta’boys + 1 aw’shit = 0 f’ing balance

              • ” The way my Drill Instructor explained it to me was..

                100 atta’boys + 1 aw’shit = 0 f’ing balance”

                You got a zero? In my leadership class, we were told the equation resulted in a negative, and we could never dig ourselves out. You had it easy, you feather merchant, rear echelon commando.

              • “the equation resulted in a negative, and we could never dig ourselves out”

                That is the way it was for some people but I’m not sure that I agree with it though. If a person truely shows that they want to make amends for that Aw shit than that person’s superiors should reciprocate in kind. It is those that have have no interest in bettering themselves that should never be able to dig themselves out. Somehow I think I’m preaching to the choir though.

              • “That is the way it was for some people but I’m not sure that I agree with it though.”

                It was a reminder of the seriousness of our position. That one could never exceed expectations, only maintain stasis. Failure was irretrievable. We used to counter that if minimum acceptable accomplishment wasn’t good enough, it wouldn’t be the minimum. “Management” retorted that they could always raise the minimum to 100%. And so it went.

              • There are instances where failure is not recoverable. Such as failure resulting in loss of life or mission as two examples. Granted there are others but recognizing those instances in advance can mitigate those aw shit moments before they happen. Aside from that no one is perfect and aw shits happen to everyone. I’ve had experience where 100% was minimum and even giving 100% only required 110% afterwards. As you said “and so it went”. Setting the example by making examples was never a good sign of good leadership to me. Like punishing the masses for the actions of a few. I always believed in giving someone enough rope to hang themselves with and lead by example. Doing those two things usually garnered respect regardless of what was on your collar. Respect because of who I am and my character was always more important to me.

              • “Doing those two things usually garnered respect regardless of what was on your collar.”

                What was on our collars was irrelevant, and no respect granted. We were humans in a dangerous, technical environment, where human failure was the proximate cause of every misadventure visited on the command. We were there to respect the mission, the required activities, and the chain of command.

                Regardless of our rank, we were essentially “suspects”, liable to contribute to the next misadventure, unless carefully watched and controlled on and off duty – and even that was not considered sufficient to preclude disaster. A traffic ticket issued to a family member could end your career. We had a divorce rate exceeding “the norm” for military.

              • Yep and so it went. More like prison than a profession. No egg on your face because those above you may get some of it because of vicarious liability. As if no action is your own. I only half buy into the thinking. The attempt of total control and micromanagement can induce the circumstances most feared.

              • “No I haven’t read the book 1984 but having searched it out I’m going to.”
                Conventional wisdom among the enlightened is that Orwell wrote the book about the oppressive right-wing/conservative government. Don’t fall for it.

                Oh, yeah. The narrative is English english. Some differentials that can be off-putting. Just muddle through, and it will be rewarding.

              • I read an article describing the book and just from that I believe your surmise that the books content is where we are now is pretty much spot on. Where we are now sure isn’t because of the right.

        • Sam
          Thug comes from Thuggee an Indian (Asian) murder / robbery gang and cult combination who specialty was strangling travellers in their sleep. Actions not race got you membership

        • It is incredibly sad three American use or lead down the wrong path, a path of violence and crime that led to their early death.

          Under the right conditions, these young men could’ve been doctors lawyers soldiers, they could have cured cancer, taking us to Mars, or served honorably in the military.

          It is always a tragedy when miss guided use, lacking the proper influence in upbringing, head down the wrong path into a life of crime.

          Yes, perhaps the homeowner had no other choice than to terminate them. Perhaps he was acting completely within the law and protecting his home and family.

          But I can assure you, 10 years from now when he’s laying awake at 3 AM thinking about those three young men he shot the rightness of his actions will be cold comfort.

          Only Psychopaths find joy or humor in killing.

      • Well, everyone, I see that many of you disregarded the multiple times I clearly stated that the homeowner was in the right, and the perps got what they deserved. The tragedy isn’t that justice was served, or any “liberal bleeding heart” emotional nonsense, but that the harsh lesson had to be learned by three people who were so very young and could have otherwise led productive lives if they had exercised better discretion and decisions.

        THAT’S the tragedy. Not the straightforward righteous outcome (which I’m sure we all agree was necessary), but the fact that three dumb youths made dumb decisions that led to a tragic end to their lives. I’m really perplexed as to how so few of you understand this. So nobody else here (other than enuf, Guesty, LifeSavor) considers the loss of young human life as a sober event?

        If three youths who live nearby my home came to my yard and threatened me with a gun, and I had to defend myself, and they ended up dead, I wouldn’t regret it if it were necessary for me to stay alive. But I certainly would be lamenting the fact that those youths put me in such a bad situation that resulted in them forfeiting their lives, plus the emotional toll that would undoubtedly follow. Ask any cop or soldier if they had to go through a personal introspection after killing someone in defense.

        This conversation has been very enlightening as to everyone’s mindsets over the topic of life and death.

        • Like I said I have my own demons I wrestle with, I don’t want anymore. I thank the good lord above every day my family and I get through having not gone through something like this. For that I am truely blessed. I also pray for the homeowner to get past this and go on with his life as best he can. I extend the same to the families of the criminals although I do believe that they have fault in it. All I can offer the criminals themselves is God will sort them out. Let me ask this now. What would be the response if the criminals had shot and killed the homeowner? Would it still be if the criminals had only made better choices the homeowner would still be alive? Better still what would the response be had they been older, poor fellers should have made better choices in life, they might still be living it? What’s done is done and at no fault of the homeowner currently. Everything else is just details as it has already been said.

        • “I also pray for the homeowner to get past this and go on with his life as best he can. I extend the same to the families of the criminals although I do believe that they have fault in it.”

          Thank you, thank you, thank you. THAT’S the sobriety I was attempting to convey, and I’m glad to read this from you. Perhaps somewhere along the line one of my statements was misunderstood, which led to all the confusion. If so, then I’ll try to proofread my comments better in the future before posting.

          No hard feelings. May be tomorrow will be a better day, lol.

          • “No hard feelings. May be tomorrow will be a better day”

            Never was any and I always pray for that very thing regardless of how good or bad the current one is.

        • Haz,

          Exactly. I’ve said it before: you seem to be someone who does much good in this world.

          We must do that which we must to protect our families safety and lives.
          If we are justified, we should not regret it.
          But we MUST recognize it is tragic.
          It is tragic that all involved got to this point.
          It is tragic for those who died.
          It is tragic for those who remain.
          Recognizing the tragedy makes us stronger.
          It will make us better advisers to those who are younger.
          It will signal that we can be trusted.
          It is not weakness.
          It is our statement that we are determined and confident.
          Beyond this line, you shall not cross.

        • Two people argue extensively (Haz and Special) and later reconcile on friendly terms, with a former priest (LifeSavor) to oversee and approve. A good day on TTAG.

          Special, you just went back up a notch in my opinion of you.

          LifeSavor, well done. You, too, are a point of stability and reason here.

        • Personally, I have no problems concerning the actions (reactions) of the attacked homeowner.

          It seems the ‘moral question’ articulated by those bemoaning the demise of the three “masked youths” (thugs, or thugs-in-training) is not the lawful protection of personal property and life, but the fact that death resulted by a firearm.

          Another case of improperly demonizing a tool, as is the common practice of the socialist-democrats and liberal leftists.

          The question of personal property and self-protection is being subverted, and the concept of ‘productive citizenship’ is continually ignored.

          What can we (as a society) do to eliminate the culture that promotes people to attempt things like masked-armed-robbery?

          I am more concerned with the psychological trauma perpetrated upon the homeowner / defender by the three youths — I wish him well.

      • Well, at least there’s three less THUGS to rape and pillage….

        Some people, I swear….. Feeling sorry for A FKN CRIMINAL…. TAKE THAT SHITE SOMEWHERE ELSE

        • “Some people, I swear….. Feeling sorry for A FKN CRIMINAL”

          The entire conversation apparently went right over your head. We’re not sorry for the criminals themselves, but rather that the situation had to happen in the first place. The perps got what they deserved, period. Everyone here has said that, and nobody has said otherwise.

          Maybe you should slow down and actually read the conversation before jumping in.

    • I live on a dead-end where I have frequent “visitors” who have even pulled into my driveway. In the country, it will be at least 10-15 min for the Sheriff’s Office to respond unless a car is nearby. I’m always up at 4 am, and I’m not a truck driver, just a simple project manager so the nonsense about asking why someone is up at 4 is nonsense. I’m always armed (LTC) and have a long gun available. If these criminals were masked at 4 am, how could the homeowner know they were 15 or 50? It’s tragic that nowadays a group of 15-16-year-olds think it’s prudent to pull a home invasion. If his mother (elderly?) was normally alone in the home what would the outcome have been without her son on the scene? Unsolved homicide/sexual assault? Were the perpetrators on drugs? I’ve had an individual attempt to enter my home while I was away and my family was awakened by the dogs. That attempted entrance didn’t stop even with three dogs barking like crazy! When the deputies came on the scene, their arrival scared off the attempted intruder, but that’s it. If it wasn’t for a stout door could he/she have entered? The victim, in this case, was not the three dead “children”, but the man who was forced to defend himself and his mother. The three dead young men are victims of their upbringing, but not of the actions of self-defence.

  4. Maybe the homeowner was awakened by a barking dog or the attackers themselves. Maybe the homeowner was involved in criminal activities with the attackers or had some altercation with them and was therefore excepting them. Either way good job. It should be understood if you threaten someone at his home you should expect to get shot.

    • If the homeowner was involved in a crime with those teens and it went bad, then it is not Stand Your Ground. SYG/Castle laws are only for the innocent, not for people engaged in a crime. If the police come out with such a report, well now that would change things completely.

      Right now the only info out to the public is this was an innocent homeowner protecting himself and his wife against three masked and armed robbers at his home in the dark of night.

      Pleased the good people are uninjured. Sad for the families of the dead. Criminals always hurt those who love them, at least indirectly. Even criminals as young as 15, which is a tragedy, to be a gun thug at 15.

    • Why? I hear noises in my yard in the middle of the night every few weeks and go out to investigate. It’s usually a coyote or raccoons, but I once thought it was a burglar and found evidence of tampering at one of my back windows (torn screen, bent frame) the next morning. Believe me, the Sheriff deputies where I live will NOT respond unless you mention violence or shots fired, so if I think someone *might* be on my property, sitting inside with the phone in my hand won’t do anything to prevent a break-in. I once called the Sheriff station to say I was in the very act of witnessing (and video recording the individuals, their faces, their vehicle license plates, everything) an illegal drug deal going down right in front of me at my property by trespassers, and they STILL didn’t care and never showed up.

      Just last week, I had to chase off a hooded thug who drove up to my property in the middle of the night and actually argued with me as I approached with a flashlight and an authoritative voice. Happens several times per year.